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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby conniption » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:31 am

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Lawmakers want Sandy Hook details released

Published : Thursday, 21 Mar 2013
Mark Davis


HARTFORD, Conn. (WTNH)-- Governor Malloy said he's disappointed and angered that police details about Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza were leaked to a New York newspaper this week and now he wants details about that information to be shared with state lawmakers working on new laws in reaction to the shooting.

No one believes the head of the Connecticut State Police did this on purpose but almost everyone is unhappy about it.

"I've asked that they respond and share that information, which can be shared, no later that a week from Friday," said Governor Dannel Malloy.

That request goes to State Police Commander Danny Stebbins and the State's Attorney in the Sandy Hook case.

This comes following "The New York Daily News" story, revealing that Connecticut State Police have found that Sandy Hook Shooter, Adam Lanza, kept a huge and detailed spreadsheet about mass murders that indicated he had been planning something for years.

It has brought about bi-partisan condemnation from political leaders at the State Capitol.

Condemnation of Stebbins, who is clearly the source of the story. A story that followed a presentation by Stebbins at a law enforcement gathering in New Orleans, aimed at helping other states avoid mass shootings.

It was supposed to be confidential.

Some state law makers are miffed that they are being asked to write laws in reaction to Sandy Hook and don't have all the information that's available.

"We don't expect law enforcement to divulge any information that would compromise a criminal investigation, but they have a responsibility to share with us as much information as they can to help us craft this legislation," said Rep. Larry Cafero, (R) Minority Leader.

"This information is going to come out at some point in time and I don't believe that it should be, on the one hand, shared with other police chiefs in Louisiana, but not shared with the people of Connecticut," said Sen. Don Williams, (D) Senate President Pro Tem.

Stebbins has declined our request for an interview, but has told at least one lawmaker that he regrets that the story got out and has reached out to the Sandy Hook families.

"I'm upset that twenty-six families that lost loved ones may be reading in the papers about things that they haven't been told from Connecticut state officials," said Sen. John McKinney, (R) Minority Leader.

On Friday some of the Newtown Families are planning to go to the State Capitol to deliver a letter to the legislative leadership asking for a vote on a comprehensive gun safety package including a ban on the possession of high capacity ammunition magazines.


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Sandy Hook details to be released

Published : Tuesday, 26 Mar 2013
Mark Davis


HARTFORD, Conn. (WTNH) -- More details about the Sandy Hook investigation are scheduled to be released by the Chief's State's Attorney Thursday.

Whether or not this new information will bring the General Assembly closer to voting on a package of gun control bills is still not clear.

Chief State's Attorney Kevin Kane will release parts of the Sandy Hook investigation on Thursday morning, but his office says neither he, nor the Danbury State's Attorney in charge of the case will do any interviews.

However, they have spoken with some lawmakers.

"There may or may not, his words not mine, be things within that information that would be helpful to us," said Rep. Larry Cafero.

Whether or not there will be any information beyond that released to out-of-state law enforcement by Connecticut State Police Col. Danny Stebbins is unknown at this point.

"They certainly were not willing to share with us what we might find," said Cafero, "so we're going to have to wait with the rest of the world to see what that is on probably Thursday."

"Seeing the contents of the warrants, the returns," said Sen. Don Williams, "what was actually in the home where Adam Lanza lived, his automobile, etc., it's worth the extra couple of days."

U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal's call for the Connecticut legislature to act within the next two weeks to help him with federal legislation in Washington is generally being dismissed as not helpful.

"I do wish Senator Blumenthal would focus on what he needs to do down in Washington rather than getting involved in what we're doing here in the Connecticut legislature," said Sen. John McKinney, "those types of comments aren't helping us in our situation."

"We've resolved many of the issues, made some good progress and I think a vote next week is likely," said Williams.

However, News 8 has learned that one of the big hang-ups is the Governor's call for banning high capacity ammunition magazines. Sources say a block of lawmakers is siding with many gun owners and do not want to do that.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:29 am

jhfuckinkeerist - maybe the dick to information ratio could be changed to better communicate info in one post instead of creating a whole page of stupid back and forth bullshit? Naw, sorry, I know that's too much to fucking ask.

cuda - thanks for at least providing 8228 the name. you cuda saved some bandwidth and just said what you said in one post - re info relevant to his inquiry.

so doin a search of the forum for Chris Manfredonia gives us these past links in this long painful emotional screed laden thread:

page 16 of this thread
viewtopic.php?p=486865#p486865

dbcooper41 wrote:fyi, this is supposedly the audio from the police radios.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETkrxfYoQtc

concerning the 2nd gunman, some are saying he was Chris Manfredonia who is atheletic director at a near by school. he has a daughter at sandy hook.
his story does sound a bit peculiar, but possible. his comment about hearing shots and smelling sulfur sounds contrived to me, but again possible.
others say the police ran a check about 10 minutes into the above recording on a Christopher A. Rodia, a local petty criminal.
http://www.westportnow.com/index.php?/v2_5/comments/39302/

there is also a nearby registered sex offender matching that name but he is listed with a 1962 birthdate.
http://www.offendex.com/citydirectory/PA/Brookhaven/Christopher_Anthony_Rodia_550159

considering the amount of killing done in such a shot time a second shooter seems likely to me.



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beeline wrote:http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_comprehensive_answer_to_every_sandy_hook_conspiracy_theory/

Your comprehensive answer to every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory

What about the man in the woods? Central to proving any conspiracy theory is finding co-conspirators, which in this case means multiple shooters. Theorists have seized on helicopter footage of a man getting chased by police through the woods behind the school as evidence there was more than one shooter. Who is this man?

Answer: It was Chris Manfredonia, the father of a 6-year-old who attends the school. He was on his way to the school to make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard gunfire and smelled sulfur, so he ran.

But there was another man in the woods (maybe): Eyewitnesses saw a second man in the woods wearing camouflage pants and a dark jacket, and said that he may have been armed. Must be a second shooter.

Answer: Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, “an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town” who heard the gunfire.

What about the third man at the firehouse? Children fleeing the school said they saw a man pinned down on the ground in handcuffs outside the firehouse. Could this be a second or third shooter?

Answer: No, like Manfredonia, this man was briefly detained by police in the hectic aftermath, but quickly released when it was determined he was just a passerby, Connecticut State Police spokesperson Lt. Paul Vance, who was on the scene, confirmed to Salon. “Were there other people detained? The answer is yes. In the height of battle, until you’ve determined who, what, when, where and why of everyone in existence … that’s not unusual,” Vance said.

Then why did some eyewitnesses report multiple shooters? Theorizers have parsed conflicting media reports and interviews with eyewitnesses saying they saw multiple shooters. How could they be wrong?

Answer: In the stress and confusion of a situation like a mass shooting, misreporting is not just common, but the rule. And there’s a reason eyewitnesses are viewed so skeptically in criminal court cases: They often get things wrong. The Supreme Court has called eyewitness testimony “notoriously unreliable” while the Innocence Project says ”eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions.” Yet theorists would have you believe that a small handful of media interviews with people on the scene trumps all the other interviews with people there and police and media reports.


Alex Seitz-Wald is Salon's political reporter. Email him at aseitz-wald@salon.com, and follow him on Twitter @aseitzwald.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby barracuda » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:34 am

elfismiles wrote:jhfuckinkeerist - maybe the dick to information ratio could be changed to better communicate info in one post instead of creating a whole page of stupid back and forth bullshit? Naw, sorry, I know that's too much to fucking ask.

cuda - thanks for at least providing 8228 the name. you cuda saved some bandwidth and just said what you said in one post - re info relevant to his inquiry.


I thought if I pointed him rather directly at the answer to his query he might do what you did and find out the relevant details himself. Teach a man to fish, etc. I didn't know I was gonna get whack-a-moled. And then we were off to fukkity-fuck land, in search of interpersonal revelation. I think we eventually male-bonded over the whole bro-thing, though. So, happy ending.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby conniption » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:13 pm

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Indications that Sandy Hook shooting was a manufactured event (Summary)
Posted on March 22, 2013
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As you’re probably aware, I was planning to close the message forum and blog page, but since I’ve had so many positive comments and so many of you find it useful, I’m considering leaving them both alone for now and just taking a break. I’m still not completely certain about what I want to do, but I thought this would be a good time to summarize things.

I’ve been researching this since it happened, 3+ months ago and I (and others) have noted several indications that this was certainly a manufactured event, planned well in advance. I don’t think there’s a “smoking gun” per say, but there is enough evidence out there that shows conclusively that this is what we’re seeing. I must say that things are stranger than I could have ever imagined. There are some truly evil people behind this.

The goals were multifaceted. I believe that many of the people who participated did so with the idea that this is to benefit the greater good … that no one gets hurt, there are no real victims and since it will advance the cause of taking guns away from the public, reform the mental health system and give the illusion of increased security in our schools, it’s all acceptable. That is how they convince people to go along with it.

I see that there’s clearly a healthcare industry faction involved here. I’ve seen an inordinate amount of mental health workers, child psychologists, autism specialists, and pharmaceutical scientists. They will remain profitable if more people, namely children are diagnosed at earlier ages with various disorders that require medications and therapies. In turn, the diagnosed disorders will prevent them from ever being able to own a firearm. I fear for our children that they will be subjected to so much scrutiny at such a young age.

This event also revealed a push toward global religion with all of the representatives from each religious order joining together and participating in this event. That day at the firehouse there were at least 5 different religious leaders allegedly there to counsel the families. I’m seeing a huge Unity Project influence taking place at Newtown High School. Unity Project is associated with the Baha’i religion which is a religion with a globalist vision – one world currency, one world religion, Agenda 21, etc. Newtown high school is having the kids do “poverty simulations” now. It’s very strange and I would never have my kids participating in these kinds of things in school, where they should be learning math, science, and history.

If you look at the Newtown twitter feed, you’ll see all of the Unity Project posts but an interesting observation is that there’s a complete lack of communication from the students. No one comments there. No one comments at the school’s blog page. In fact, no one comments on any local news articles, even about what should be done with the school. Something feels really “off” about that area. It seems deserted.

But back to the religious influence, consider how quickly they assembled the interfaith prayer group when Obama visited Newtown. Do you really think it was a spontaneous move as a response to this horrific tragedy? I believe it was planned in advance.

I also see a lot of focus on first responders, police, firemen, EMS workers, etc. The whole event took place at the firehouse. How many interviews have we seen with these workers? How many tributes? They want towns to fund more workers. They will want police to be stationed at all of the schools. They are already beginning to do this in many locations. They continue to put more and more money toward drills and emergency operation centers. It’s completely out of control.

I also see a focus on teachers. There will be a push to hire more teachers, especially those with special needs backgrounds so they can work with all of the kids who will be diagnosed with a disorder at the age of one or two.

Schools will look even more like prisons than they already do. There will be check-ins to enter just to visit your child. They will decide if you’re allowed to visit or not. Your kids will be watched constantly on video cameras.

All of these things will lead to more control of the American people and more money spent to keep the central bankers happy. So Sandy Hook is huge and that’s why they spent many years putting it all together, lining up all the right people, choosing the best location to make it happen.

Now, to list the evidence that this was a false flag:

The handling of the scene: In a real situation with a shooting and mass casualties, ambulances would have been rushed to the doors of the building, EMT workers would have entered immediately, checked on the status of each victim, placed them on a stretcher and rushed them to a hospital, even if they couldn’t get a pulse. There would have been efforts to save them. There were none. That defies logic.

They would have never allowed bodies to remain in the building overnight. It is unprecedented. No explanation was ever given for this but how can one not conclude that they were hiding the fact that no bodies needed to be transported anywhere because there were none.

The quick conclusion that Adam Lanza was a lone killer: Announcements were made by Vance very early on about the lone gunman. This was before any investigation took place. This also defies logic. How could they possibly have concluded so definitively that one person was responsible for this? That would never happen in a real situation, yet no one questioned it aside from alternative media and bloggers.

Media Fakery: Many of us have made videos showing that they clearly used green screens in much of the footage and I wouldn’t doubt if it was used in ALL of it. They can control the scene that way. The helicopter footage shown from that day – I believe that footage was shot at an earlier time and that it was recorded from a drill.

The famous shots of the kids being evacuated and the teachers running out of the building were also taken at a different time, the same day as the drill mentioned above since the clothing was the same.

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Above are the famous shots of the families crying and hugging outside of the firehouse. There are 3 photographers credited with the McDonnell shot. Are we really to believe that all of them captured that at the same time? It’s not logical or possible.

There are lots of examples of media fakery. I won’t go into the victim’s happy looking, smiling families because everyone has seen them. Something is clearly off about their behaviors. No one would behave that way in that situation so this is another big indication that it’s not real.

Families set up memorial donation pages immediately: No one who truly lost a child would even consider setting up a Facebook page on the day of the tragedy but that’s what happened here. The Parker’s friends set up a page before there was even word on the status of everyone in the school. Whomever is behind this was sure to start raking in the cash from the earliest possible moment and it seems that it’s been effective.

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Connecticut task force was set up very quickly: We all know how slow our government works to get anything done, yet within a month of the shooting a multi-effort task force was organized with key people appointed ready to go and meetings have already begun to discuss gun control, mental health and school security. I believe this had to have been arranged in advance because it’s all a little too smooth and too quick.

In line with the task force goals, every single family has been spewing the same exact lines from day one “we need gun control, mental health reform and school security” Every single one of them. It’s all too perfect.

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The school itself: I can’t prove this but I can’t help but wonder about the building. I believe it could have been shut down years ago due to the condition of the roof, the parking lot, no sign of any activity, no flyers on the doors, signs, Christmas decorations and things one would expect to see at an elementary school.

It has the setting for a municipal building – a parks and recreation complex, water treatment or testing facility, or something like that. The long road leading to the building isolates it. It’s not safe and it’s not practical. A school should have more than one entrance and exit. There’s no reason why there wouldn’t be an exit at the back of the building from Crestwood Drive, which is right there.

There’s no history available, no photos from the construction, no old yearbooks, no old articles about the school. Well, there is reference to “Sandy Hook School” but nothing that confirms “12 Dickinson” and the two different spellings of the road bother me. We’re missing something.

Sandy Hook fire house: As much as the school bothers me, so too does this fire station. I wrote a recent article about this. I don’t believe that building was an active fire house. I believe they altered it and essentially converted it to a fire station. The 9 bay doors at the station are inconsistent with what one would expect to find in a small town. There shouldn’t be a need for that many bays. The Newtown fire station only has 4, they are in an old building and have been searching for a new location for many years. It doesn’t make sense that Sandy Hook would have such a huge station. I believe they needed a place to stage this and this was a perfect location, near that old building.

The move to Chalk Middle School: The idea to move the 600 students to Chalk school was reportedly thought of the very day by the town selectman in Monroe. The town officials from both towns met the very next day to discuss use of the building. Think about this … the day after a brutal, horrific massacre. Again, this is not logical. Nobody would be able to pull themselves together to even begin to think about what to do about the students.

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This was two weeks before Christmas. Had this really happened they would have put everything off until the first of the year, given the kids, the school officials, the town officials and everyone involved time with their families. School isn’t that important!

They reportedly had the school ready to go by the first of the year, including all required renovations, busing changes, cafeteria workers, cleaning people, new principal hired, snowflakes on the windows!

There are a few possible likelihoods here. Either they had it preplanned (so they knew there would be an “event” and need to move the students) or the students were already attending Chalk Hill or (my best guess) there never were 600 kids to move because they weren’t attending that large building. Maybe there is/was a smaller Sandy Hook school somewhere nearby. This would explain why no one ever saw anywhere close to 600 students that day. or maybe it was even part of the fire house and that is why they showed the kids lined up there for their drill and why the white sign was in front of the station and there’s always a school bus there.

Inconsistent stories: There are so many. I’ll list a few of the main ones.

1. Dawn Hochsprung was interviewed by The Bee even though she was supposed to be dead. They retracted it several days later, but how could this happen?

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2. Nancy Lanza was a Kindergarten teacher at the school; later – no one had ever heard of her.

3. Gene Rosen had 6 kids in his driveway but those same kids were allegedly picked up by a woman and driven to the police station…only there were 5 of them in this version. Gene states that the parents picked the kids up there. The parents of Aiden Licata state that they picked him up at the police station and also that they found him at the fire station.

At the time that Rosen was allegedly with the kids, he was seen in video at the fire station so what’s going on with this story?

4. The glass was broken out by Lanza, then “glass was broken by police”.

I won’t go on but there’s a very long list of inconsistent contradictory statements.

No information about the people transported to the hospital: We have yet to receive names of the two kids and two adults who were taken to the hospital. We have never been given the name of the little girl who walked out of the school covered in blood. Was she not taken to the hospital? Why wouldn’t she have been taken to the hospital?

People involved are all interconnected: The Halsteads have 3 family members with the fire department, one with Sandy Hook School and the town clerk is engaged to the fire chief. The town clerk doesn’t want anyone to have access to the children’s death certificates even though they are public records and we are entitled to them.

The same few people who allege to be associated with the school have been interviewed over and over.

Many of the people who have spoken up about or written letters in support of gun control or mental health reform have criminal records.

Some of the families have multiple AKA’s associated with their names and very suspicious looking backgrounds.

Real estate oddities:

I noticed early on that 12/25/09 appears as the sold date on the majority of the homes in the area. The only explanation given by the clerk’s office is that they got a new computer system on that date but that doesn’t explain why some of the properties do not have that date, such as the Lanza’s.

Several properties on Riverside were listed for sale just after the shootings; one of them the day after. All of them are in foreclosure now. Two of them are directly across from the fire station. Coincidence?

The Pozner’s home has been abandoned, is being gutted and is in foreclosure. The Gays listed and sold their home in January.

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There’s no Google street view for any of the side streets throughout Newtown and Sandy Hook and the imagery is old, most of it from ’08 or ’09 and it’s blurry and dare I say some of it looks photo-shopped or manipulated. This isn’t normal.

Very little information on the Lanzas: I’ve searched for information on Peter and Nancy Lanza and I’ve found very little. I’m not finding any birth certificates, marriage certificates, work information, etc. I found more information on the father of Peter Lanza, Peter Salvatore Lanza and I believe he existed. I found lots of old census records and past addresses. One thing that’s odd though, his obituary from 2010 was entered in “Find a grave” on 12/16/12, two days after the shootings. Why would someone enter that then? Also, Peter didn’t marry Shelly Cudiner until recently, so why is she included in the obituary (from 2010) with family? I understand they were said to have been dating for 3 years, but would anyone include a girlfriend of a child in an obituary? That doesn’t make sense to me.

I’ve found even less information on Nancy (Champion) Lanza. There is only one Nancy Jean Lanza in the country, living in Florida and too old to be THE Nancy Lanza.

I can’t find any record of a Peter J. Lanza with the birth date recorded in People Finders. I did find a Peter J. Lanza, Boston College yearbook photo (1967). Since the father was from Haverhill, Mass it would make sense that he could have a son attending Boston College but the photo doesn’t match and he would be older than what’s been reported.

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There is a Kingston census record but this is odd too. It lists Peter J. Lanza, Nancy J. champion, not capitalized and why is it her maiden name? All the other listings are married names. It also lists Adam, no Ryan. I don’t know that I trust this document.

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Based on the fact that the only photos of the Lanzas appear to be photo-shopped, we have never seen an interview or even a Star or Enquirer photo of Peter Lanza since this happened, added to the sketchy records on them, I just don’t believe they existed. They may have been created from other people’s records. I will change my position on this when I see Peter J. Lanza present day, not just more, questionable photos but a live interview.

There’s much more but I’ll stop here. I’m writing this from the perspective that I believe there were no victims, there is no Nancy, Peter, Adam or Ryan Lanza, the school probably was not operational at the time of the shootings, no kids were moved to Chalk Hill, and most (if not all) of the photos and video we saw that day were made in advance with green screen technology. Unless I see evidence to suggest otherwise, this is what I believe. I completely understand that many of you have different theories about it and that’s fine. I could be wrong but this is what makes sense to me at this point and believe me, I’ve spent many, many hours looking at all of this.

They can only win if they achieve their goals. If Americans refuse to go along with all of this, they will have accomplished nothing. So we must oppose all gun legislation, mental health reform and increased security in our schools. We don’t need it. We don’t want it. Leave us alone.

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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby barracuda » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:58 pm

conniption wrote:
Now, to list the evidence that this was a false flag:

The handling of the scene: In a real situation with a shooting and mass casualties, ambulances would have been rushed to the doors of the building, EMT workers would have entered immediately, checked on the status of each victim, placed them on a stretcher and rushed them to a hospital, even if they couldn’t get a pulse. There would have been efforts to save them. There were none. That defies logic.


Police set up a perimeter when the shooting was still in progress. EMT workers did, in fact, enter the building, did in fact take people to the hospital in ambulances. But the dead were obviously beyond help. The single description of one of the victims of the shooting we do have, that of Noah Pozner, is that the six-year-old child's jaw and lower portion of his head were completely blown off, and his hand was severed from his arm. We're talking meat chunks here, not candidates for triage or CPR on the way to the hospital. Connecticut guidelines give first responders in the form of EMTs allowance to make the call as to the possibility of treatment. Get a pulse? Gimme a break. Try getting a pulse from a pork chop.

They would have never allowed bodies to remain in the building overnight. It is unprecedented. No explanation was ever given for this but how can one not conclude that they were hiding the fact that no bodies needed to be transported anywhere because there were none.


No bodies. No one was killed. Complete horseshit.

The quick conclusion that Adam Lanza was a lone killer: Announcements were made by Vance very early on about the lone gunman. This was before any investigation took place. This also defies logic. How could they possibly have concluded so definitively that one person was responsible for this? That would never happen in a real situation, yet no one questioned it aside from alternative media and bloggers.


Lanza was found in full battle gear, dead of a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head with his mom's weapons that had been used to commit the murders nearby. This isn't rocket surgery.

Media Fakery: Many of us have made videos showing that they clearly used green screens in much of the footage and I wouldn’t doubt if it was used in ALL of it. They can control the scene that way. The helicopter footage shown from that day – I believe that footage was shot at an earlier time and that it was recorded from a drill.


Complete horseshit.

The famous shots of the kids being evacuated and the teachers running out of the building were also taken at a different time, the same day as the drill mentioned above since the clothing was the same.


Complete horseshit.

There are lots of examples of media fakery. I won’t go into the victim’s happy looking, smiling families because everyone has seen them. Something is clearly off about their behaviors. No one would behave that way in that situation so this is another big indication that it’s not real.


Visceral horseshit.

Above are the famous shots of the families crying and hugging outside of the firehouse. There are 3 photographers credited with the McDonnell shot. Are we really to believe that all of them captured that at the same time? It’s not logical or possible.


Did you try contacting the photographers? No, you didn't, because you're too lazy.

Families set up memorial donation pages immediately: No one who truly lost a child would even consider setting up a Facebook page on the day of the tragedy but that’s what happened here. The Parker’s friends set up a page before there was even word on the status of everyone in the school. Whomever is behind this was sure to start raking in the cash from the earliest possible moment and it seems that it’s been effective.


The Parker's friends didn't lose a child that day though.

Connecticut task force was set up very quickly: We all know how slow our government works to get anything done, yet within a month of the shooting a multi-effort task force was organized with key people appointed ready to go and meetings have already begun to discuss gun control, mental health and school security. I believe this had to have been arranged in advance because it’s all a little too smooth and too quick.


Within a month. Like a lightning strike, considering the worldwide shock of the event.

In line with the task force goals, every single family has been spewing the same exact lines from day one “we need gun control, mental health reform and school security” Every single one of them. It’s all too perfect.


Yeah, because once your kids are turned into ground round, who cares about solutions?

The school itself: I can’t prove this but I can’t help but wonder about the building. I believe it could have been shut down years ago due to the condition of the roof, the parking lot, no sign of any activity, no flyers on the doors, signs, Christmas decorations and things one would expect to see at an elementary school.


Utter horseshit, verging on bad science fiction.

It has the setting for a municipal building – a parks and recreation complex, water treatment or testing facility, or something like that. The long road leading to the building isolates it. It’s not safe and it’s not practical. A school should have more than one entrance and exit. There’s no reason why there wouldn’t be an exit at the back of the building from Crestwood Drive, which is right there.


Now you're a civic planning expert. Horseshit.

There’s no history available, no photos from the construction, no old yearbooks, no old articles about the school. Well, there is reference to “Sandy Hook School” but nothing that confirms “12 Dickinson” and the two different spellings of the road bother me. We’re missing something.


Common sense. You're missing common sense.

Sandy Hook fire house: As much as the school bothers me, so too does this fire station. I wrote a recent article about this. I don’t believe that building was an active fire house. I believe they altered it and essentially converted it to a fire station. The 9 bay doors at the station are inconsistent with what one would expect to find in a small town. There shouldn’t be a need for that many bays. The Newtown fire station only has 4, they are in an old building and have been searching for a new location for many years. It doesn’t make sense that Sandy Hook would have such a huge station. I believe they needed a place to stage this and this was a perfect location, near that old building.


More science fiction writing. Try Google Earth Historical Imagery and see what you get. But no, that would be too much like work.

The move to Chalk Middle School: The idea to move the 600 students to Chalk school was reportedly thought of the very day by the town selectman in Monroe. The town officials from both towns met the very next day to discuss use of the building. Think about this … the day after a brutal, horrific massacre. Again, this is not logical. Nobody would be able to pull themselves together to even begin to think about what to do about the students.


Right, the whole town council was in on it. Unmitigated horseshit.

This was two weeks before Christmas. Had this really happened they would have put everything off until the first of the year, given the kids, the school officials, the town officials and everyone involved time with their families. School isn’t that important!


Obviously, school wasn't very important in your own youth. But for some people, life goes on.

They reportedly had the school ready to go by the first of the year, including all required renovations, busing changes, cafeteria workers, cleaning people, new principal hired, snowflakes on the windows!


Wow, snowflakes on the windows - just think how long that would take!

I can't go on. In summary: horseshit and varying degrees of lazy combined to make a stew of misguided nonsense certain to attract page hits from Hookers.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Perelandra » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:14 pm

barracuda wrote:
Families set up memorial donation pages immediately: No one who truly lost a child would even consider setting up a Facebook page on the day of the tragedy but that’s what happened here. The Parker’s friends set up a page before there was even word on the status of everyone in the school. Whomever is behind this was sure to start raking in the cash from the earliest possible moment and it seems that it’s been effective.

The Parker's friends didn't lose a child that day though. Their friends did.
Right and clearly, there are epiphenomena surrounding our connectedness via social media in which everything is monetized, including grief. One example is the "Children's Museum" previously posted.

Thank you for your efforts, Mr B. This thread has become absurd.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby IanEye » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:32 pm

There are lots of examples of media fakery. I won’t go into the victim’s happy looking, smiling families because everyone has seen them. Something is clearly off about their behaviors. No one would behave that way in that situation so this is another big indication that it’s not real.


Visceral horseshit.



I am very tired of the absolutist meme of "no one would ever (fill in the blank)".
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:01 pm

Thanks, fish, reading that made me ill. It does appear that the first two photos are nearly identical, but clearly the third is different.

Sorry you missed the earlier commentary about the camo-wearing dad, 82.

conniption, are you agreeing with the poster in your comment? Is that why you posted such nonsense?

Honestly, reading it made me long for days past on RI, when intelligent discussion could be obtained and with a feeling I should no longer participate.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby conniption » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:22 pm

barracuda wrote:Complete horseshit.


I knew you would say that.

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Iamwhomiam wrote:
conniption, are you agreeing with the poster in your comment? Is that why you posted such nonsense?


No no no, of course not. I just thought I'd post what looked like a pretty good summary of what all those crazys are going on about before the Sandy Hook details are released tomorrow. (/Has irresistible urge to touch nose.)

Iamwhomiam wrote:Honestly, reading it made me long for days past on RI, when intelligent discussion could be obtained...


Good Luck with that.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:04 pm

yahoo news: "Newtown rampage took just 5-minutes"


Adam Lanza Newtown search warrants released
By Jason Sickles and Dylan Stableford | The Lookout – 2 hrs 46 mins ago..

NEWTOWN, Conn.—Police investigating the school massacre here seized a small arsenal of firearms, knives and swords along with medical records and computer equipment from the 20-year-old gunman's home in the days after the shooting, court documents released Thursday reveal.

Also Thursday, Connecticut State Attorney Stephen J. Sedensky III, who's overseeing the case, said that Adam Lanza killed 26 people within five minutes of storming into Sandy Hook Elementary School before turning a gun on himself.

The documents—50 pages of affidavits and search warrants that include a list of items seized from the car and Newtown home Lanza shared with his mother, Nancy—paint a chilling picture of a killer who had been stockpiling weapons in the weeks and months leading up to the Dec. 14 massacre.

[Related: Newtown families appear in Bloomberg anti-gun ads]

Lanza shot and killed his mother at their home before driving to the school, where he forced his way in and opened fire.

Sedensky said in a statement that Lanza killed all 26 school victims with a Bushmaster .223-caliber model XM15 rifle before taking his own life with a Glock 10 mm handgun. Lanza also had a loaded 9mm Sig Sauer P226 handgun with him inside the school, Sedensky said, as well as three, 30-round magazines for the Bushmaster. One-hundred-and-fifty-four spent bullet casings were recovered at the scene.

According to the unsealed documents, investigators found an empty box for "Battle Tested" vest accessories and hundreds of rounds of various gun ammunition inside the two-story Lanza home.

Among the other items seized by police:

Item #71 - Reciepts and emails documenting firearm/ammunition and shooting supplies.
Item #77 - Blue folder labeled "Guns" containing receipts, paperwork and other firearm-related paperwork.
Item #81 - Paperwork titled, "Conncticut Gun Exchange, Glock 20SF 10mm FS 15 round FC," dated 12/21/11
Item #83 - Email re: Gunbroker.com dated 10-12-11.
Item #85 - Printed photographs, miscellaneous handwritten papers, and Sandy Hook report card for Adam Lanza
Item #86 - "Look Me in the Eye—My life with Asbergers" book, "Born on a Blue day—Inside the Mind of an Autistic Savant" book, "NRA Guide to the Basics of Pistol Shooting" book.

Exhibit # 605 - One (1) receipt for Timstar Shooting Range located in Weatherford, Ok and one (1) NRA certificate for Nancy Lanza.

Exhibit #606 - One (1) Paperback book titled "Train Your Brain To Get Happy," with pages tabbed off.

Exhibit #608 - Three (3) photographs with images of what appears to be a deceased human covered in plastic and what appears to be blood.

Exhibit #609 - Seven (7) journals and miscellaneous drawings authored by Adam Lanza.

Exhibit #612 - One (1) holiday card containing a Bank of America check #462 made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a C183 (Firearm), authored by Nancy Lanza.

Exhibit #630 - One (1) New York Times article on 02/18/08 of a school shooting at Northern Illinois University.

In addition to several guns inside the home, police also recovered three Samurai swords and a long pole with a blade on one side and a spear on the other. Inside the car Lanza drove to the school, police recovered a 12-gauge shotgun and two magazines containing 70 rounds of ammunition, the documents show.


Lanza in an undated photo (AP/File)
According to the search warrant, when officers arrived at the school, they discovered Lanza "dressed in military style clothing, wearing a bullet proof vest lying deceased on the floor in the middle classroom." He "was in possession of several handguns as well as a military style assault weapon."

When police arrived at the Lanza home, they found Nancy Lanza "lying in supine position on a bed in the 2nd floor master bedroom" with an apparent gunshot wound to the head. Investigators located a rifle "on the floor near the bed."

On Dec. 14, according to a warrant released Thursay, FBI agents interviewed an unidentified resident who described Lanza as a "shut in" and "avid gamer who plays Call of Duty" and rarely leaves the house. The witness said Lanza had a "gun safe containing at least four guns." Lanza had attended Sandy Hook Elementary School, the person told the FBI, and "that the school was Adam Lanza's 'life.'"


Superior Court Judge John Blawie ordered parts of the documents redacted after state prosecutors requested that the identity of a key witness not be revealed for another 90 days. The judge also approved blacking out some phone, credit card and serial numbers of some of the property confiscated from the Lanza home.

Connecticut State Police briefed family members of the Newtown shooting victims on Wednesday on what was recovered inside Lanza's home and car. About 50 family members attended the briefing, according to the Connecticut Post.

Thursday's release came after state lawmakers, media and Newtown residents criticized police officials for leaking details of their investigation at a convention of police chiefs in New Orleans back in March, which were then published by the New York Daily News.

[Related: Images from Newtown, Dec. 14-21, 2012]

"If state police officers can leak details of the Newtown investigation at conventions, surely that information can be shared with the Connecticut public," the Hartford Courant wrote in an editorial. "It has more of a right to know than out-of-state police chiefs do. ... This isn't information to be hoarded and shared only at the state police water cooler. The longer information is kept under wraps, the more questions there will be about why. Most important, the details will inform the debate about gun control, mental health and violence in society. There's no reason to fear an informed public."

Connecticut's General Assembly has been considering gun-control legislation in the wake of the Newtown shootings, including a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. State lawmakers said on Monday they would delay a vote on gun control until after search warrants related to the school shootings were unsealed.

The final police report on the massacre is not expected to be released until June.


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Postby barracuda » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:08 pm

elfismiles wrote:50 pages of affidavits and search warrants


I haven't found the fifty page document online as of yet. Anyone?

EDIT - this appears to be more comprehensive, the full set:

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/03/adam- ... andy-hook/
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby dbcooper41 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:53 pm

of course i'm not questioning any official story or anyone's motives but i gotta point out something concerning Chris Manfredonia.

barracuda wrote:He had a daughter at the school. He lives next to it, just past the woods. The woods are not extensive as all get-out. It's a suburban woods. He was cutting through the woods on his way to make gingerbread houses with her class. It was a class activity. Christmassy. He's a jock, a football coach at a nearby high school. He wore camo pants that day. It's a 90's thing. He was arrested and released. Detained, whatever.

At least... that's what we're supposed to believe...

:ufo:


not to stir the pot, and i'm sure it's an honest mistake but:

1- chris manfredonia doesn't really live just past the woods from the school.
actually he lives right behind the Lanza house, approximately 1,000 feet from their backdoor, approx 5 miles from the school.

so did he run/walk all the way to school(or perhaps did he drize nanacy lanza's car,no i didn't just say that) :shrug:

2- it also seems "peculiar" that his wife was apparently also on the scene at the time.
is it likely that with her there already as a volunteer he'd take off work to do the dad thing? i suppose so.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/14/nation/la-na-nn-sandy-hook-connecticut-school-shooting-20121214

[quote]Georgeann Manfredonia, a volunteer at the school, said she spent part of
Thursday wrapping presents for the teachers and the school's principal. Her
6-year-old daughter attends the Sandy Hook.
“When you walk in there, it’s just a happy, happy place,” she said, in a
telephone interview Friday with The Los Angeles Times. “It’s a wonderful school
run by an amazing principal. She’s just the most positive, energetic person
you’ve ever met.
“You always felt safe here. The last crime that took place was years ago,”
Manfredonia said.
On Friday morning, her husband, Chris, went to help make gingerbread houses in
the first-grade class of the couple’s daughter. As he approached the school, he
heard popping sounds, then smelled sulfur.
He attempted to reach his daughter by going around the side of the school.
Police had arrived by then, stopped him and briefly handcuffed him.
Georgeann found a neighbor’s child and held that child and her own son. A parent
came running out of the school cradling a little girl.
“I covered them so they couldn’t see anything," she said. "I couldn’t see if the
little girl was hurt.”[/
quote]

3-if his daughter is six wouldn't she probably be in the first grade? were the children killed the same ones who were "making gingerbread houses" that morning?
if so, where were the other parents who presumably would also take part in the fun.

http://ct.blockshopper.com/property/6661-370/35_charter/

35 Charter Rdg, Newtown, 06482 | Connecticut
Owner: Christopher M, Manfredonia City:Newtown Zip:06482

his immediate backdoor neighbor is 36 YOGANANDA STREET, home of Nancy Lanza.
i'm having trouble posting a link to the google directions so if anyone else can feel free.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby barracuda » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:19 pm

Okay, thanks for correcting me. I had read somewhere that he lived next to the school and it got stuck in my head.

Chris Man­fre­do­nia, whose 6-year-old daugh­ter attends the school, was head­ing there Fri­day morn­ing to help make gin­ger­bread houses with first-graders when he heard pop­ping sounds and smelled sulfur.

He ran around the school try­ing to reach his daugh­ter and was briefly hand­cuffed by police.


dbcooper41 wrote:3-if his daughter is six wouldn't she probably be in the first grade? were the children killed the same ones who were "making gingerbread houses" that morning?


She could be in kindergarten or first grade, I suppose. But an elementary school with 600 students might have three classes per grade level.

if so, where were the other parents who presumably would also take part in the fun.


At my kid's school it's entirely usual for one or two parents to come assist in a project like that. Most people work, so it's not a red flag for me.
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:23 pm

Iamwhomiam wrote:Thanks, fish, reading that made me ill. It does appear that the first two photos are nearly identical, but clearly the third is different.

Sorry you missed the earlier commentary about the camo-wearing dad, 82.

conniption, are you agreeing with the poster in your comment? Is that why you posted such nonsense?

Honestly, reading it made me long for days past on RI, when intelligent discussion could be obtained and with a feeling I should no longer participate.


There's no harm in speculation, ever. When people say stop it, resort to "fuckity fucks" -- if it works for you. Barracuda knows that as far as I know him, which is through here, that I love him. Anyway, don't give me no shit on some speculation. So here is what some of us others, some member/lurkers/AND funders for the fund raiser no less have been kind of kicking around a bit today. I sent this email off before leaving for work.

Oh yeah, I did indeed "go there".

Adam Lanza and his mother lived on Yogonanda Street. Could he have been set off by some kind of "negative tulpa"? Or a tulpa that crossed wires with technology and was then misinterpreted? Reports say he was a smart kid and all kinds of books about how to get happy and reclaim his life, yet played violent FPS's . Say he lived on W. 85th Street could it have prevented the massacre? Could he have researched the meaning of the name of the street he lived on and taken it a way it was intended but only his interpretation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramahansa_Yogananda


Agreed, too dystopian sci-fi for prosaic discussion. Yet, one of those clues that come in handy when trying to determine something that all creative souls have when, number one, young, but also quite erudite. You grow out of this shit eventually. Who knows how I would have turned out had I been raised around guns, bullying, mockery and also being creative? I wasn't raised around guns and was always taught to basically hate them. BUT, he very well could have been trying to figure out his place on Earth. This was the exact age I had a mental and emotional breakdown and I was looking for clues as to why, but the clues and motivation in seeking them seemed strange to others. This was deemed "creative" some two years earlier -- unmotivated four years earlier and just a total genius 2 years before that. He'd probably never been in a fight in his life. He just fantasized about such things before he was able to grow out of it, as we all do for the most part. Still, it happened and the cui bono is in the pudding and if anyone here doesn't dig the speculation here at RI about just what we've been doing for nearly a decade, then just go back to the archives. It's a pretty sane conspiracy board. More speculation, really.

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