Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:06 pm

elfismiles wrote:Think this is the video FB was referring to with the shredded-jeans guy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYssWFNX4w


Yep. (Did my previous WHDH link not work? Not feature Thorndike?)
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby ShinShinKid » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:14 pm

The 4Chan think tank is pretty awesome. It looks like a backpack placed by the scissor lift, and someone there to make sure no one messed with it. It sort of looks like one of those military types guys. The other guy, with the beard...look at his hands. They are huge, and he might have a gut, but his shirt hangs off his pectoral muscles...he's trained, all right. I see two suspects, but who planted the bag at the scissor lift? That would be a third, and probably more...
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:20 pm

About an hour ago, amidst all the courthouse shenanigans, WCVB was interviewing a professor of international relations at BU and 30-year CIA veteran named Wippl, who is at the courthouse scene, and in the course of talking, when the anchor reminded Wippl of the fact that McVeigh was caught by a lowly state trooper just doing his job, Wippl laughed a very peculiar and long and kind of inappropriate laugh, with a possible subtext like, "Oh, if you only knew", but I can't decide whether I think it was an evil knowing laugh of the complicit or a good knowing laugh of the wise and unfooled. I'd like to believe the latter, that there may yet be honorable men within the CIA establishment. But I can also imagine him being just another ghoul, using his position as professor to recruit young minds at BU.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:22 pm

ShinShinKid wrote:The 4Chan think tank is pretty awesome. It looks like a backpack placed by the scissor lift, and someone there to make sure no one messed with it. It sort of looks like one of those military types guys. The other guy, with the beard...look at his hands. They are huge, and he might have a gut, but his shirt hangs off his pectoral muscles...he's trained, all right. I see two suspects, but who planted the bag at the scissor lift? That would be a third, and probably more...


Christ, I didn't even notice that bag at/on the base of the lift.
I said it above. Imagine if the scissor lift had toppled. Fuck.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Hunter » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:50 pm

http://www.infowars.com/navy-seals-spot ... backpacks/


Those guys in the 511 boots and bulky jackets look to be wearing NAVY SEAL hats or BLACKWATER also used that Skull symbol. Interesting!
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:54 pm

Reported now, by WCVB at least, that the man captured on the Lord & Taylor security footage is seen dropping off a bag with a cell phone to his ear. Not trusting anything reported right now, but...Was the phone just an unused prop to avoid detection? Or was he listening and talking to someone?

People. This is no "ordinary" bombing. Pay attention. Help, if you can.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby beeline » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:54 pm

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/04/why-bostons-hospitals-were-ready.html
April 17, 2013
Why Boston’s Hospitals Were Ready

The bombs at the Boston Marathon were designed to maim and kill, and they did. Three people died within the first moments of the blast. More than a hundred and seventy people were injured. They had their limbs blown off, vital arteries severed, bones fractured, flesh torn open by shrapnel or scorched by the blasts’ heat. Yet it now appears that every one of the wounded alive when rescuers reached them will survive.

Medically speaking, this is no small accomplishment. We’ve seen bombs like this in the battlefields of the Middle East, but rarely in cities like Boston. In the past century of wartime conflict, explosive devices have escalated to become the predominant cause of military casualties. Among American personnel wounded in our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, they have accounted for three-quarters of injuries; gunshot wounds for just twenty per cent. It has been an historic accomplishment for military medical units to bring case-fatality rates from such injuries down from twenty-five per cent in previous conflicts to ten per cent today. And according to data from the Israeli National Trauma Registry, explosives used in terror attacks have tended to be three times deadlier than those used in war—because civilians don’t have armor, because victims span a wider range of age and health, and because preparedness tends to be less systematic. Nonetheless, in Boston, they survived.


How did this happen? Something more significant occurred than professionals merely adhering to smart policies and procedures. What we saw unfold was the cultural legacy of the September 11th attacks and all that has followed in the decade-plus since. We are not innocents anymore.

The explosions took place at 2:50 P.M., twelve seconds apart. Medical personnel manning the runners’ first-aid tent swiftly converted it into a mass-casualty triage unit. Emergency medical teams mobilized en masse from around the city, resuscitated the injured, and somehow dispersed them to eight different hospitals in minutes, despite chaos and snarled traffic.

My hospital, the Brigham and Women’s Hospital, received thirty-one victims, twenty-eight of them with significant injuries. Seven arrived nearly at once, starting at 3:08 P.M. All required emergency surgery. The first to go to surgery—a patient in shock, hemorrhaging profusely, with inadequate breathing and a near-completely severed leg—was resuscitated and on an operating table by 3:25 P.M., just thirty-five minutes after the blast. The rest followed, one after the other, spaced by just minutes. Twelve patients in all would undergo surgery—mostly vascular and orthopedic procedures—before the evening was done.

This kind of orchestration happened all across the city. Massachusetts General Hospital also received thirty-one victims—at least four of whom required amputations. Boston Medical Center received twenty-three victims. Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center handled twenty-one. Boston Children’s Hospital took in seven children, ages two to twelve. One emergency physician told me he’d never heard so many ambulance sirens before in his life.

There’s a way such events are supposed to work. Each hospital has an incident commander who coördinates the clearing of emergency bays and hospital beds to open capacity, the mobilization of clinical staff and medical equipment for treatment, and communication with the city’s emergency command center. At my hospital, Stanley Ashley, a general surgeon and our chief medical officer, was that person. I talked to him after the event—I had been out of the city at the time of the explosions—and he told me that no sooner had he set up his command post and begun making phone calls then the first wave of victims arrived. Everything happened too fast for any ritualized plan to accommodate.

So what did you do, I asked him.

“I mostly let people do their jobs,” he said. He never needed to call anyone. Around a hundred nurses, doctors, X-ray staff, transport staff, you name it showed up as soon as they heard the news. They wanted to help, and they knew how. As one colleague put it, they did on a large scale what they knew how to do on a small scale. They broke up into teams of six or so people, one trauma team for each patient. A senior nurse and physician stood at the door to the ambulance bay triaging the patients going to the teams. The operating-room director handled triage to, and communication with, the operating rooms. Another staff member saw the need for a traffic cop and began shooing extra clinicians into the waiting room, where they could stand by to be called upon.

Richard Wolfe, the chief of the emergency department at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, told me he had much the same experience there. Of twenty-one casualties, seventeen were serious and seven required emergency surgery. One patient came in with both legs almost completely amputated already. Another’s leg was too mangled to save. Numerous victims had open, bleeding wounds, with shrapnel and shards of fractured bone. One had a lung injury from the blast. Another was burned on over thirty per cent of the body. One had to have an eye removed. Wolfe arrived in the emergency department expecting to take charge of assigning everyone responsibilities.

“But everybody spontaneously knew the dance moves,” he said. He didn’t have to tell people much of what to do at all.

I spoke to Deb Mulloy, the nurse in charge of our operating rooms that afternoon, and a few of the other nursing leaders to find out how they knew the dance moves. Mulloy began mobilizing as soon as she saw the news flash onto a television screen. Others learned through Twitter, text messages, smartphone news apps. They all began to act before the alarm had been sounded.

“We just knew this was real,” Mulloy said, “and a lot of people could be hurt.”

Change of nursing shift is at three o’clock. So she immediately notified the day shift to stay on. No one wanted to leave, anyway. This doubled the available staff.

The nurses put all scheduled surgery on hold and began readying eight rooms. They ordered equipment trays for vascular and orthopedic procedures to be brought up from stock supply. They called an orthopedics-manufacturer representative for extra hardware to be mobilized. They got in touch with the blood bank, which was already securing blood from other states. They communicated with other operating rooms around the city to make sure they had enough supplies of equipment, too.

How did they know to get eight rooms ready, I asked. And how did they know to get them ready for vascular and orthopedic procedures? “Did someone tell you?”

“No,” said Brenda McKonly, one of the senior nurse leaders. She just saw the descriptions of the explosion like everyone else, made a surmise about the injuries, and recognized that they needed to get as many rooms ready as they could. To be on the safe side, the staff also got equipment for one room to be ready for a neurosurgical injury and another for a thoracic injury. But as word filtered down from the emergency department, it became clear that their original surmise was correct. All eight rooms would be required, and nearly all the cases involved vascular and orthopedic injuries.

Talking to people about that day, I was struck by how ready and almost rehearsed they were for this event. A decade earlier, nothing approaching their level of collaboration and efficiency would have occurred. We have, as one colleague put it to me, replaced our pre-9/11 naïveté with post-9/11 sobriety. Where before we’d have been struck dumb with shock about such events, now we are almost calculating about them. When ball bearings and nails were found in the wounds of the victims, everyone understood the bombs had been packed with them as projectiles. At every hospital, clinicians considered the possibility of chemical or radiation contamination, a second wave of attacks, or a direct attack on a hospital. Even nonmedical friends e-mailed and texted me to warn people about secondary and tertiary explosive devices aimed at responders. Everyone’s imaginations have come to encompass these once unimaginable events.

Hence the grim efficiency with which the city responded. Organizers halted the race. Runners who’d trained for weeks for the event turned away from the finish line in bewildered but stoic acceptance. The press, for the most part, rightly hesitated to amplify unsubstantiated claims about the identity of the perpetrators.

Risks of further attack required assessment. Panic had to be averted. Criminal evidence had to be secured. And above all, victims needed to be saved.

What prepared us? Ten years of war have brought details of attacks like these to our towns through news, images, and the soldiers who saw and encountered them. Almost every hospital has a surgeon or nurse or medic with battlefield experience, sometimes several. Many also had trauma personnel who deployed to Haiti after the earthquake, Banda Aceh after the tsunami, and elsewhere. Disaster response has become an area of wide interest and study. Cities and towns have conducted disaster drills, including one in Boston I was involved in that played out the scenario of a dirty-bomb explosion at Logan Airport on an airliner from France. The Massachusetts General Hospital brought in Israeli physicians to help revamp their disaster-response planning. Richard Wolfe at the Beth Israel Deaconess recalled an emergency physician’s presentation of the medical response required after the Aurora, Colorado, movie-theatre shooting of seventy people last summer. From 9/11 to Newtown, we’ve all watched with not only horror but also grave attention the myriad ways in which the sociopathy of killers has combined with the technology of inflicting mass casualty.

We’ve learned, and we’ve absorbed. This is not cause for either celebration or satisfaction. That we have come to this state of existence is a great sadness. But it is our great fortune.

Last year, after the Aurora shooting, Ron Walls, the chief of emergency medicine at my hospital, gave a lecture titled “Are We Ready?”

In Boston, it turns out we all were.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby General Patton » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:59 pm

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:02 pm

Alchemy wrote:http://www.infowars.com/navy-seals-spotted-at-boston-marathon-wearing-suspicious-backpacks/


Those guys in the 511 boots and bulky jackets look to be wearing NAVY SEAL hats or BLACKWATER also used that Skull symbol. Interesting!


Alex Jones is a fucking scoundrel, idiot, or both. It may be a Seal hat. Maybe. Interesting.
It may also be a Punisher hat. Which is something Jones owes us to point out, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punisher
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Punisher_(2004_film)

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=%22 ... ORM=IQFRBA

Image

(Obviously, it's another matter why a movie logo would match a Seal logo.)
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Hunter » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:13 pm

True I am not a Jones fan at all but I found that a little interesting.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:15 pm

Alchemy wrote:True I am not a Jones fan at all but I found that a little interesting.


I did, too.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby wordspeak2 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:27 pm

Is this Lord + Taylor security footage released?
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:34 pm

wordspeak2 wrote:Is this Lord + Taylor security footage released?


Not yet. Should be interesting.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 82_28 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:57 pm

Yikes! I have and use daily that exact same backpack filled usually with a computer and a number of books and other things. It can sometimes get pretty full. It's made by "Tactical Operations Products" with a logo of a gun-sight designed in Oregon (made in China). Best backpack I've ever owned. I bought it at Army Navy Surplus.

I'm probably not going to be able to wear it anymore if it comes out in the wash or it even comes down to a meme or law enforcement directive to automatically suspect a backpack like that. But I love that thing.

Incidentally you can fit a lot in it.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby nashvillebrook » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:01 pm

Diane Rehm had a show today on "The Latest On The Boston Investigation And The Limits Of Security."

And they shared this really cool online data tool from University of Maryland (National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Response to Terrorism):
http://start.umd.edu/datarivers/vis/GtdExplorer.swf

Information on Over 104,000 Terrorist Attacks
The Global Terrorism Database (GTD) is an open-source database including information on terrorist events around the world from 1970 through 2011 (with annual updates planned for the future). Unlike many other event databases, the GTD includes systematic data on domestic as well as international terrorist incidents that have occurred during this time period and now includes more than 104,000 cases.

The show is a pretty interesting listen as well.
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2013-04-17/latest-boston-investigation-and-limits-security
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