Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:23 pm

Alchemy wrote:As per these being inside jobs, its not hard, they know who the radical clerics are, they know where the cells and potential radical muslims hang out, you send in an informant to start whispering things in people's ears, rile them up and get the ball rolling on an OP, these kids likely have no idea they could be part of something like that, for all they know they are carrying out the radical teachings of some local cleric or cell leader, who himself is likely an informant or useful idiot.



Absolutely. I mean look at the Finsberry Mosque, the Hamburg mosque. Abu Hamza. Haroon Rashid Aswat. PBS did a special that revealed how clerics used high level cassette tape brainwashing loops
to brainwash the Madrid Spain attacks. It's long been my view that clerics and middle men are used to brainwash impressionable young Muslim kids; some not even being in on the full plot.
You can have total mind control psychos like Mohammed Atta with younger apprentices like Aziz Al-Omari who dont know what the hell is going on. Not to be biased but to me the two the FBI are looking for look
Middle Eastern so Im guessing thats the angle they're going for.

But honestly, has there been a single post 9/11 Islamic plot that did not involve FBI informants? I honestly can't think of any. Maybe the timesquare bomber, but that guy couldnt blow up a cracker jack box.
If it turns out these two guys have any even passing connection to FBI informants or people connected to informants/assets, it's game over. And this time, thanks to social media, a huge stink needs to be made of it.

I mean Madrid. 7/7. 9/11. Bali. Riyadh 2003. Marriot Hotel Philippines 2003. All these famous events all are directly tied to people working for or with security services.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby wordspeak2 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:25 pm

Just to be clear, the feds haven't actually released the video of the guys pointing down the backpack, so as of now we the public aren't seeing anything that actually implicates these two, correct?
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby barracuda » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:27 pm

Correct. Nor have we seen any information that points to the suspects as Muslims or arabs.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:27 pm

wordspeak2 wrote:Just to be clear, the feds haven't actually released the video of the guys pointing down the backpack, so as of now we the public aren't seeing anything that actually implicates these two, correct?


Not yet. Correctamundo.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Fresno_Layshaft » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:32 pm

wordspeak2 wrote:Just to be clear, the feds haven't actually released the video of the guys pointing down the backpack, so as of now we the public aren't seeing anything that actually implicates these two, correct?


That's my understanding. Why not release the damn video? Would that not be more useful judging where they were? Unless they're trying to "enhance" it somehow, but that couldn't take more than couple of hours to do.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:38 pm

Alchemy wrote:http://salem.patch.com/articles/mystery-explosion-caught-on-video-video



Sort of found this interesting, there were a lot of reports of loud explosions going on in a particular neighborhood the last few months, some are suggesting that the bombers were doing some testing. Makes sense, could be totally unrelated though but I have read of several accounts of explosions in and around Boston in the last few months that went unexplained. Surely these guys mae some test runs, why they would do that in a neighborhood and not out in the woods or something is beyond me.


I think this resource that Twyla posted is important:


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Soooo, who's been chatting about Pressure Cooker Bombs around the world in the last 3 years? Here's who:
https://recordedfuture.com/live/sc/h0DGee4MOZgl #boston


Can't post the map, but Boston had 16 mentions in 3 years, almost three times more than either afghanistan or pakistan.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:46 pm

Far-Right Shock Jock Michael Savage Concocts Conspiracy Blaming Muslims for Boston Bombing -- and the Entire Govt. for Covering It Up
Amidst a national manhunt, up to 8 million Americans were bombarded with wildly dangerous speculation and anti-Muslim incitement.

April 18, 2013 |

No one has been officially accused of orchestrating the Boston Marathon bombing that left at least three dead and scores wounded, but one of the most popular radio hosts in America claims to have found the perpetrator. On April 16, right-wing shock jock Michael Savage declared the 22-year-old Saudi national who was tackled and arrested while fleeing from the site of the explosions, and who was then released and cleared of all suspicion, was in fact an Al Qaeda operative dispatched to carry out a 9/11 style operation inside the US. What’s more, Savage claimed the federal government was engaged in a conspiracy with Islamist forces to cover up the true identity of the bomber and place the blame on a more convenient target, perhaps a right-wing terrorist.

Since Savage’s broadcast, a remarkably similar conspiracy has gained currency in right-wing media, finding its way into a House committee hearing today when Republican Rep. Jeff Duncan attempted to corner Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano. “Now we have someone being deported for national security concerns and I’m assuming he’s got some sort of link to terror or he wouldn’t be being deported,” Duncan claimed, referring to the Saudi man cleared of suspicion earlier in the week.

Napolitano corrected Duncan, assuring him that the man was never deported. “Like I said,” she reminded Duncan, “I don’t even think he was technically a person of interest or a suspect, that was a wash.”

According to Savage, such denials by federal officials prove that a cover-up is afoot. To help him flesh out the details of the government plot, Savage invited a self-proclaimed “ex-PLO terrorist” named Walid Shoebat onto his April 16 show. For a full hour, Shoebat outlined the key players, from the Obama administration to Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia to longtime Hillary Clinton assistant Huma Abedin to the CIA, FBI, US military, liberals and gay activists, all united in a conspiracy to hide the true Saudi identity of the bomber, pin the blame on a more convenient target, and advance the creeping Islamicization of America.

Savage urged Shoebat along at each lurid twist and turn, heaping layers of anti-Muslim vitriol atop his guest’s bizarre diatribes. Amidst an atmosphere of national tragedy, mourning, and trepidation, the duo delivered what might have been one of the most outrageous hours in recent talk radio history, inciting wildly against Muslims in America, pointing the finger at an innocent man for a heinous terror attack, and implicating the entire federal government for letting him go.

A few extremists have fashioned their own conspiracy theories about the Boston bombing – the notoriously unhinged Alex Jones called it a government “false flag” operation – but none boast anything close to Savage’s influence. According to the trade industry magazine Talkers, as of September 2012, Savage’s show was the third most popular political talk show in the country, just behind Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity with 8 million listeners a day. Unlike Limbaugh and Hannity, who cater to the Republican base, Savage cultivates listeners among the most rightward Tea Party fringe with anti-government conspiracism and unvarnished Islamophobia – “when I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi,” he once said. Along with prominent neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and Islamic extremists, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom.

Hours after the Boston Marathon bombings, Savage predicted, “They're gonna release the Saudi guy in the hospital; they're gonna wipe their hands of it and say he had nothing to do with it. He was only an innocent spectator and that it was a false lead, and anyone who said it was a Saudi or a Muslim was a racist… This is the playbook today.”

Claiming vindication the following day, Savage turned to his guest, Shoebat, for his expert opinion. “The man is linked to Al Qaeda. No question about it,” Shoebat said. Several of his family members are Al Qaeda leaders… The whole mechanism is interlinked with the spread of Muslim minorities all over the globe.”

According to Shoebat, the Saudi national, Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi, has several relatives locked up in the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay. “So this could easily be made as a revenge,” he claimed. “What Americans don’t understand is that a clan is linked…so the support for terrorism comes from a clan support.”

Shoebat then claimed that the US government had scrubbed photos from Alharbi’s Facebook page that implicated him in jihadist activities.

“Why would the FBI cover for the Saudis?” Savage asked in an innocent tone.

“We have no Qaeda problem,” Shoebat answered. “This would be very embarrassing for President Obama to have [an] Al Qaeda problem.”

“A ha!” exclaimed Savage. “In other words, it would show there’s a failure in the intelligence community.”

Savage added that the mainstream media was in on the plot, especially Fox News, which is partially owned by Saudi billionaire Prince Walid Bin Talal, and had therefore erected “a cordon sanitaire around the Saudi connection.”

“That’s what it is,” Shoebat interjected. “It’s a cover up from all levels. How did these photos go away?.. The FBI is gonna sweep this under the rug. You are right. Within a week this will be swept under the rug.”

“Oh my God!” Savage responded with a dramatic gasp. “Just like Benghazi.”

The Islamist-Obama conspiracy was so vast that only a rogue agent willing to risk it all for his country could save America. “We need some operative in our own government who’s not going to go along with the program,” Savage declared. “Very difficult because they will lose their pension and they themselves will be nailed to a cross.”

“Mr. Savage, I worked with the Homeland Security for ten years,” Shoebat claimed. “I provided them with Al Qaeda locations in Libya. Latitude, longitude – everything. I know with it’s like dealing with the apparatus. They wanted nothing to do with with information; nothing to do with facts.” There is no record of Shoebat consulting for the Department of Homeland Security on Libya. However, he once earned a $5000 speaking fee through a DHS grant to provide a group of South Dakota police officers and sheriff’s deputies with his insider’s perspective on the mentality of Muslim terrorists. “All Islamic organizations in America should be the number one enemy. All of them,” he told his audience. The appearance prompted a CNN investigation of Shoebat’s background, which found that his claims to have been a former Palestinian terrorist to be completely bogus, with his family near Bethlehem describing him as a “regular kid” who left for the US at 18 to work as a computer programmer.

Shoebat was thus unmasked as a run-of-the-mill con artist huckstering his way across the country, raking in as much as half a million dollars a year through a shady foundation that claimed to aid persecuted Christians, but which provided no evidence of having done so. While raking in cash from American rubes, he has inspired as much resentment against Muslims as possible. One participant at an anti-terror seminar led by Shoebat described his solution as follows: “Kill them…including the children.” Anders Breivik, the right-wing anti-Muslim terrorist who killed over 80 people at a youth camp in Norway, cited Shoebat over 15 times in his manifesto.
Savage, a former New Ager named Michael Weiner who skinny dipped with Alan Ginsberg and palled around with the beats in San Francisco’s 1960’s-era North Beach scene, did his best to help his guest deflect the charges of fraud.

“Are you in hiding?” Savage asked Shoebat.

“Pretty much,” he haltingly replied, claiming persecution at the hands of godless liberals. “After becoming Christian and beginning to fight for this country, that's when I became a terrorist!” he complained to Savage.

Having restored Shoebat’s credentials, Savage and his guest delved into the hidden motives of the Boston conspirators, from the Al Qaeda-linked Saudi bomber to the government enablers who supposedly let him off the hook. “Has Obama literally deracinated the FBI and other intelligence agencies with a thought process that literally must cut off when it comes to Islam and terror, that they will never find the actual perpetrators?” Savage wondered.

“When it comes to Obama, I have to ask, why is his family so involved with the Wahhabi apparatus? And that's his family in Kenya,” Shoebat said, claiming that Obama’s Kenyan cousin, Musa Ismail Obama, was secretly funding students to study at Wahhabist academies in Saudi Arabia. He added that Huma Abedin, the longtime assistant to Hillary Clinton and wife of Anthony Weiner, was another key link between the Wahhabi terror apparatus and the Obama administration -- Shoebat has alternately described her as stealth operative for Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Wahhabists. (On his personal website, Shoebat claimed “Huma’s mother [is] part of a plot reminiscent of Hitler’s Nazi Germany.”)

Wondering why Obama refused to “cop” to being a Muslim, Savage warned of radical Islamic influence “at the FBI level, the CIA level, presidential level, military – everybody!”

Indeed, the entire government was run by dupes for Islam, all united, wittingly or not, in a Saudi-orchestrated plot to place America under the control of Shariah law. And it all started with gun control. “Al Qaeda is in favor of gun control in America,” Savage remarked to Shoebat. “Why?”

“It’s very simple,” he explained. “If people are disarmed, they’re easily occupied, they’re easily conquered. Because the American system itself begins with harassment of people like me and you by Muslims against non-Muslims… If you don’t think they will execute people in this country – there are many cases of executions by Islamists against Americans in this country.”

According to Shoebat, the most dangerous type of Islamic terrorist was not the open extremist determined to kill Americans, but the stealth operative. For this character, the progressive movement is the ultimate Trojan Horse. “Islam is a socialist system, not conservative,” Shoebat explained. “Islam is pro-evolution. This tickles the year of all the liberals.” To illustrate his point, Shoebat pointed to “anti-Israel demonstrations” where “gays, lesbians, leftists, communists, and Muslims hold hands.”
Who do homosexuals ally themselves with “people who want to kill them?” Savage asked his guest.

“The homosexual movement finds in Islam, ghelmaniya, which is pedophilia, having sex with boys,” Shoebat said, referring to a practice explicitly banned in Islam. “In fact, many of the Islamic caliphs had sex with boys… Pedophilia in Islam is overwhelming.”

Having painstakingly detailed the Saudi-CIA-Obama-gay-communist plot to Islamicize America, Savage seemed overcome with delight.

“Your knowledge is so soothingly real,” he told Shoebat, “that I don't care where it leads us.”

Listen to the full Michael Savage/Walid Shoebat broadcast here
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Hunter » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:48 pm

wordspeak2 wrote:Just to be clear, the feds haven't actually released the video of the guys pointing down the backpack, so as of now we the public aren't seeing anything that actually implicates these two, correct?

I posted a still supposedly from that video of one of them standing with pack on ground at ground zero of second blast THAT is all we have as far as anything linking them to this actual crime.

Like I said before the FBI is trying to ID these guys not establish guilt, any major evidence linking them to the crime would be preserved for trial, you wont see that any time soon, think about it.


The Feds are not in the business of trying to prove to any of us that these guys did it, they want their pics out there to find them and ID them so they can talk to them and then start the process of gathering actual evidence for trial, right now they just want an ID hence they released as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE, to help with that.




8bit, they do this for every fringe radical group, there has been evidence of them sending in people to aryan groups etc and trying to get them to commit various crimes, hell they do it to drug dealers, this is common knowledge and common tactics, them sending in an informant to foment anger hostility and get something going happens all the time, the question is, what are their purposes and intentions, I will leave that up to the reader.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby divideandconquer » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:50 pm

Found this kind of interesting:

Marathons – A Tale of Two Cities and the Running of a Planned Mass Casualty Event

http://www.integratedtrainingsummit.org ... ichard.pdf



FBI/DHS DRILL Staged Boston Marathon Bombing? Nevada Governor 2014 David Lory VanDerBeek

http://nevadagovernor2014.com/did-dhs-s ... anderbeek/
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby wordspeak2 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:54 pm

What are their purposes and intentions? Maybe a trial run of manipulating public opinion and emotion in the hyper-intenet age. Maybe a new round of Operation Gladio-style "strategy of tension." The three-part event, with the 9/11 flashback Risin threat in the middle, is too much for me to buy as something any rogue group could pull off. I hate to sound stereotypically alarmist, but this could be the beginning of a lot more of "terrorism"- an escalation from guns to bombs.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:56 pm

8bitagent wrote:
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Nothing to see here. Only pictures of a white guy in a blue jacket places a backpack outside the barrier as Seals/Blackwater guys look on.



Re: Seals/Blackwater hat -- if indeed these guys were involved why would they be wearing an f'ing hat that essentially identifies them as Seals/Blackwater, if not just as another disinfo/conspiracy meme-inspiring diversionary tactic? [rhetorical question]

Surely they anticipated [in this current golden age of instant info and armchair cybersleuths] the ensuing mass online micro-analysis of any/all available photos/vid caps
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Novem5er » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:56 pm

CNN is analyzing the "two hat guys" video right now and it looks like the white-hat has a right leg that is bowed. His right leg looks curved outward as he walks. It at least looks that way. They are saying a possible leg injury in his past.

Thoughts?
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Novem5er » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:58 pm

And now the CNN analyst is mentioning the casual ease in which they are carrying the explosives: suggesting that these two guys are "soldiers" of some kind (not necessarily American, he says) but somebody trained, possibly by a foreign government or institution.

So we have a bow-legged "soldier" trained in a foreign country now, huh? Mmm. Hmm.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Hunter » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:01 pm

wordspeak2 wrote:What are their purposes and intentions? Maybe a trial run of manipulating public opinion and emotion in the hyper-intenet age. Maybe a new round of Operation Gladio-style "strategy of tension." The three-part event, with the 9/11 flashback Risin threat in the middle, is too much for me to buy as something any rogue group could pull off. I hate to sound stereotypically alarmist, but this could be the beginning of a lot more of "terrorism"- an escalation from guns to bombs.

Sure, thats why said I would leave that up to the reader, I dont disagree with you, I just dont want to push my own feelings or agenda on everyone else, I have my own beliefs about why they might do such a thing.

I have pointed out before for example that the anthrax letters sent after 9-11 were sent one week before the final senate vote on the patriot act and they were sent to the two senators who up to that point had opposed the patriot act, they both ended up voting for it after they got the threatening anthrax letters.

Again who do you think sent those letters and why, I have my own feelings about that I am sure you have yours.

I dont run my mouth willy nilly on forums anymore so I try and guard myself a little on what I say and who I accuse of what. But you get the gist of it.


I will say this, we are at a point in this country where I dont think they can prop up the failing economy anymore and they are going to need to clamp down on a lot of things, life as we know it is going to change, I do believe a lot of the draconian legislation passed after 9-11 is what is going to allow them to do it. The economy is a fucking mess, the infrastructure all around us is crumbling IMO.


Events like what has happened in Boston put people in a position to BEG FOR PROTECTION and SECURITY. That is all I have to say about that.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Hunter » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:09 pm

Novem5er wrote:And now the CNN analyst is mentioning the casual ease in which they are carrying the explosives: suggesting that these two guys are "soldiers" of some kind (not necessarily American, he says) but somebody trained, possibly by a foreign government or institution.

So we have a bow-legged "soldier" trained in a foreign country now, huh? Mmm. Hmm.

I have to agree with that, they do seem awfully cool and collected about it, I dont think the average non trained 20 year old would be that casual about carrying a bomb in to a crowd and about to kill and main hundreds maybe thousands for all they knew.

It does appear they are trained in some way or another for sort of thing.

As 8bit and I were saying, these guys may very well be actual trained jihad terrorists, that doesnt mean those giving them their orders arent connected somewhere up the food chain, in fact that is exactly how it usually plays out IMO.
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