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by Hunter » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:11 pm
by 82_28 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:12 pm
by Hunter » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:13 pm
Fresno_Layshaft wrote:Jeff wrote:Justice official: No reading of Miranda rights
WASHINGTON — A Justice Department official says the Boston Marathon bombing suspect will not be read his Miranda rights because the government is invoking a public safety exception.
That official and a second person briefed on the investigation says 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be questioned by a special interrogation team for high-value suspects. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to disclose the information publicly.
The public safety exception permits law enforcement officials to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation of a suspect and allows the government to introduce the statement as evidence in court. The public safety exception is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wire ... r=politics
We may see Dzhokar tomorrow if he 's healthy enough for some sort of photo-op arraignment, but I'd be willing to bet we will never hear or see him again. He'll be in Guantanamo Bay by Sunday.
by seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:14 pm
Chechen Terrorists and the Neocons
April 19, 2013
The revelation that the family of the two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings was from Chechnya prompted new speculation about the attack as Islamic terrorism. Less discussed was the history of U.S. neocons supporting Chechen terrorists as a strategy to weaken Russia, as ex-FBI agent Coleen Rowley recalls.
By Coleen Rowley
I almost choked on my coffee listening to neoconservative Rudy Giuliani pompously claim on national TV that he was surprised about any Chechens being responsible for the Boston Marathon bombings because he’s never seen any indication that Chechen extremists harbored animosity toward the U.S.; Guiliani thought they were only focused on Russia.
Giuliani knows full well how the Chechen “terrorists” proved useful to the U.S. in keeping pressure on the Russians, much as the Afghan mujahedeen were used in the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan from 1980 to 1989. In fact, many neocons signed up as Chechnya’s “friends,” including former CIA Director James Woolsey.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
For instance, see this 2004 article in the UK Guardian, entitled, “The Chechens’ American friends: The Washington neocons’ commitment to the war on terror evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own.”
Author John Laughland wrote: “the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled ‘distinguished Americans’ who are its members is a roll call of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusiastically support the ‘war on terror.’
“They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be ‘a cakewalk’; Midge Decter, biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation; Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of regime change in Iran; and R. James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush’s plans to re-model the Muslim world along pro-US lines.”
The ACPC later sanitized “Chechnya” to “Caucasus” so it’s rebranded itself as the “American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus.”
Of course, Giuliani also just happens to be one of several neocons and corrupt politicians who took hundreds of thousands of dollars from MEK sources when that Iranian group was listed by the U.S. State Department as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO). The money paid for these American politicians to lobby (illegally under the Patriot Act) U.S. officials to get MEK off the FTO list.
Down the Rabbit Hole
Alice in Wonderland is an understatement if you understand the full reality of what’s going on. But if you can handle going down the rabbit hole even further, check out prominent former New York Times journalist (and author of The Commission book) Phil Shenon’s discovery of the incredible “Terrible Missed Chance” a couple of years ago.
Shenon’s discovery involved key information that the FBI and the entire “intelligence” community mishandled and covered up, not only before 9/11 but for a decade afterward. And it also related to the exact point of my 2002 “whistleblower memo” that led to the post 9/11 DOJ-Inspector General investigation about FBI failures and also partially helped launch the 9/11 Commission investigation.
But still the full truth did not come out, even after Shenon’s blockbuster discovery in 2011 of the April 2001 memo linking the main Chechen leader Ibn al Khattab to Osama bin Laden. The buried April 2001 memo had been addressed to FBI Director Louis Freeh (another illegal recipient of MEK money, by the way!) and also to eight of the FBI’s top counter-terrorism officials.
Similar memos must have been widely shared with all U.S. intelligence in April 2001. Within days of terrorist suspect Zaccarias Moussaoui’s arrest in Minnesota on Aug. 16, 2001, French intelligence confirmed that Moussaoui had been fighting under and recruiting for Ibn al-Khattab, raising concerns about Moussaoui’s flight training.
Yet FBI Headquarters officials balked at allowing a search of his laptop and other property, still refusing to recognize that: 1) the Chechen separatists were themselves a “terrorist group” for purposes of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act’s (FISA) legal requirement of acting “on behalf of a foreign power” and 2) that Moussaoui’s link to Ibn al Khattab inherently then linked him to bin Laden’s well-recognized Al Qaeda group for purposes of FISA (the point in my memo).
This all occurred during the same time that CIA Director George Tenet and other counter-terrorism officials — and don’t forget that Tenet was apprised of the information about Moussaoui’s arrest around Aug. 24, 2001 — told us their “hair was on fire” over the prospect of a major terrorist attack and “the system was blinking red.”
The post 9/11 investigations launched as a result of my 2002 “whistleblower memo” did conclude that a major mistake, which could have prevented or reduced 9/11, was the lack of recognition of al Khattab’s Chechen fighters as a “terrorist group” for purposes of FISA.
As far as I know, the several top FBI officials, who were the named recipients of the April 2001 intelligence memo entitled “Bin Laden/Ibn Khattab Threat Reporting” establishing how the two leaders were “heavily entwined,” brushed it off by mostly denying they had read the April 2001 memo (which explains why the memo had to be covered up as they attempted to cover up other embarrassing info).
There are other theories, of course, as to why U.S. officials could not understand or grasp this “terrorist link.” These involve the U.S.’s constant operating of “friendly terrorists,” perhaps even al Khattab himself (and/or those around him), on and off, opportunistically, for periods of time to go against “enemy” nations, i.e., the Soviet Union, and regimes we don’t’ like.
Shifting Lines
But officials can get confused when their former covert “assets” turn into enemies themselves. That’s what has happened with al-Qaeda-linked jihadists in Libya and Syria, fighters who the U.S. government favored in their efforts to topple the Qaddafi and Assad regimes, respectively. These extremists are prone to turn against their American arms suppliers and handlers once the common enemy is defeated.
The same MO exists with the U.S. and Israel currently collaborating with the Iranian MEK terrorists who have committed assassinations inside Iran. The U.S. government has recently shifted the MEK terrorists from the ranks of “bad” to “good” terrorists as part of a broader campaign to undermine the Iranian government. For details, see “Our (New) Terrorists, the MEK: Have We Seen This Movie Before?”
Giuliani and his ilk engage, behind the scenes, in all these insidious operations but then blithely turn to the cameras to spew their hypocritical propaganda fueling the counterproductive “war on terror” for public consumption, when that serves their interests. Maybe this explains Giuliani’s amazement (or feigned ignorance) on Friday morning after the discovery that the family of the alleged Boston Marathon bombers was from Chechnya.
My observations are not meant to be a direct comment about the motivations of the two Boston bombing suspects whose thinking remains unclear. It’s still very premature and counterproductive to speculate on their motives.
But the lies and disinformation that go into the confusing and ever-morphing notion of “terrorism” result from the U.S. Military Industrial Complex (and its little brother, the “National Security Surveillance Complex”) and their need to control the mainstream media’s framing of the story.
So, a simplistic narrative/myth is put forth to sustain U.S. wars. From time to time, those details need to be reworked and some of the facts “forgotten” to maintain the storyline about bad terrorists “who hate the U.S.” when, in reality, the U.S. Government may have nurtured the same forces as “freedom fighters” against various “enemies.”
The bottom line is to never forget that “a poor man’s war is terrorism while a rich man’s terrorism is war” – and sometimes those lines cross for the purposes of big-power politics. War and terrorism seem to work in sync that way.
by FourthBase » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:18 pm
Alchemy wrote:Why are people attacking others for their contributions what the fuck is this?
Let others have their opinions, agree or respectfully disagree but these personal attacks make the entire forum look petty and ridiculous.
Temporarily stupid guy wrote:I don't know what you mean by that, Ian. However, there is no good to come out of this. Party all you want, but it doesn't change the precedent set for two people who we may or may not ever know were responsible, yet somehow had the power to grip ALL MEDIA for A WEEK and "shut down" a city, it's transit lines within and headed for elsewhere. Throw in the "interfaith" ceremony in which Obama did not once speak of the injured and spoke of no human should have to live in fear.
Do the math. There is something extremely strange about all of this.
by divideandconquer » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:23 pm
by Fresno_Layshaft » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:23 pm
Alchemy wrote:From the look of the pic I posted of him, not the GOREY one of his brother, but it looks like little bro took a HEAD SHOT, he may be a vegetable from here on out, his whole head is all bloody.
by FourthBase » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:27 pm
divideandconquer wrote:Is it not a bit ironic that April 19 marks the beginning of the Revolutionary War, the Battles of Lexington and Concord? A war for our freedom and liberty. And today, April 19, in the same state, citizens on lockdown in fear of one 19-yr old with a pipe bomb and a gun? An entire city shuts down? Citizens turning over phones and cameras to aid in the capture of this 19-yr old "terrorist."? Extrajudicial punishments? Indefinite detentions? No Miranda rights? No right to a jury trial? No due process?
A sad day, indeed.
by Hunter » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:28 pm
Fresno_Layshaft wrote:Alchemy wrote:From the look of the pic I posted of him, not the GOREY one of his brother, but it looks like little bro took a HEAD SHOT, he may be a vegetable from here on out, his whole head is all bloody.
Its possible, but it could just as easily be a busted nose (Would you be shocked to hear he got a few licks before he got carted away?). I believe they took him away in a cruiser, not an ambulance, so I guess he probably wasn't shot in the head or he'd probably be dead now.
by divideandconquer » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:41 pm
So you’ve just committed an act of terror, allegedly.
A few days pass and the investigators still don’t know who you are.
Plenty of time to leave the city, the state, even the country. But you don’t. You stay right there.
To avoid recognition, you could alter your appearance, shave your head, grow some facial hair etc., but you don’t.
Even if you are going to remain in the area, you’re going to “lay low”, not draw any attention to yourselves. But you don’t.
Instead, you go on a crime spree, allegedly shooting a police officer at MIT, robbing a 7-11, then carjacking a Mercedes…
So whats going on here.
And what happened to the original suspects, Sunil Tripathi and Mike Mulugeta?
Instead, we're now told its a couple of Chechnyans, one of whom is already dead...
by seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:43 pm
Terror in the Caucasus (Eyeopener Preview)
Posted by Corbett
Terror in the Caucasus: US sponsored, EU hosted, Turkey channeled
by James Corbett
BoilingFrogsPost.com
6 December, 2011
Turkish claims earlier this year that three Chechen militants who were gunned down in Istanbul were in fact killed by Russian agents hardly made a ripple in mainstream western media. Seen as a minor footnote to the ongoing Russian edition of the so-called Global War on Terrorism, it seemed like an interesting but isolated incident.
Far from being unusual, however, what this incident points to is only the latest data point on a graph that demonstrates protection of Chechen terrorists from the capital of Turkey right into the heart of Europe.
That the public might not have known that an accused Chechen separatist leader had been living openly in Britain for years before his arrest in Poland is hardly surprising; the Zakayev case was given some coverage in the European press at the time, but after having been seized while attending a Chechen rebel congress in Copenhagen, Danish authorities decided against extraditing him because of “insufficient evidence” that he was involved in murder and kidnapping. He ended up in London, where again Britain refused to extradite him to Russia.
What this case, and the many other instances of Chechen militants living openly in the heart of Europe points to is the fundamental hypocrisy underlying the US-led, NATO-enforced, Western-backed “war on terror” paradigm; just as the self-same Afghan mujahedeen could be called “freedom fighters” by one American president and “evildoers” by another, so, too, authorities can use the “freedom fighter” excuse to justify looking the other way when Islamic extremists from the Northern Caucasus set up base in Europe.
Upon closer examination, however, the West has not been involved in merely tacit support of the terrorists in the Caucasus, but in active funding, training and protection of these terrorists. The charge has been made openly by the Chechen president for years now.
Indeed, as revealed by FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds in a landmark interview with The Corbett Report last week, the information in the public record only reaffirm what she discovered while translating intercepts and communications for the FBI: that the west has been actively and openly supporting, funding and financing terrorists in the caucasus region for years, and are continuing to do so.
In 2008, Russia’s Channel One televisions station aired a documentary alleging that the financing for the Chechen militants was coming from a Turkish construction company, ENKA.
The documentary, entitled “The Caucasus Plan,” alleged intimate Western involvement in support of the Chechen separatists: that Germany printed the country’s new currency; that France produced new passports; and that the entire operation was being coordinated by the US.
A particular object of suspicion in the documentary were Turkish companies like ENKA, Alarka and Gama, which were accused of financing the Chechen rebels. The documentary was immediately denounced by anonymous Turkish officials, and prompted an official denial from ENKA.
As Sibel Edmonds noted in our interview, this is in fact a favored avenue of investment for the CIA and the US State Department’s black operations: to substantially overpay legitimate companies for no-bid contract work for the US government on the understanding that a percentage of the funds will be diverted to US operations in the area. According to Edmonds, this is exactly what happened in the case of ENKA.
The notion that the US is interested in the Caucasus region in general or would be interested specifically in helping to wrest control of the area from Kremlin-friendly groups is neither new nor controversial.
Perhaps the only puzzling factor in the whole situation is the relative silence from the Kremlin about these accusations. Given Moscow’s evident conviction that the Chechen terror organizations are being protected and supported by the West, why have they remained such relative silence? Are they afraid of starting a broader confrontation with NATO, one that could conceivably lead to the next world war? Are they waiting for the rock-solid documentation of the intervention that they can use in the court of public opinion? Or are they merely consolidating their own power, waiting for a strategic moment to act against those countries they suspect of attempting to destabilize and circumvent their regional dominance?
From the outside, it is impossible to tell. But until the reality behind the terror in the Caucasus is addressed more openly in western political discourse, we will never be able even to broach the question.
by FourthBase » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:49 pm
divideandconquer wrote:I'm not attacking you, 4B, or your city. I'm pretty sure your city reacted the way any city on the East coast would've reacted. But the only terrorists involved in this event were the same terrorists who locked down the city. Those kids were either patsies, MK ultra victims or FBI "informants".
As someone else posted on another site:So you’ve just committed an act of terror, allegedly.
A few days pass and the investigators still don’t know who you are.
Plenty of time to leave the city, the state, even the country. But you don’t. You stay right there.
To avoid recognition, you could alter your appearance, shave your head, grow some facial hair etc., but you don’t.
Even if you are going to remain in the area, you’re going to “lay low”, not draw any attention to yourselves. But you don’t.
Instead, you go on a crime spree, allegedly shooting a police officer at MIT, robbing a 7-11, then carjacking a Mercedes…
So whats going on here.
And what happened to the original suspects, Sunil Tripathi and Mike Mulugeta?
Instead, we're now told its a couple of Chechnyans, one of whom is already dead...
Flashback: When Chechen Terrorists Were Framed
by seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:51 pm
American Committee for Peace in Chechnya
last updated: August 10, 2011
Please note: IPS Right Web neither represents nor endorses any of the individuals or groups profiled on this site.
Formerly called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya, the American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus (ACPC) is a project of Freedom House that claims to be "dedicated to monitoring developments in the region and providing expert analysis of their implications for security, stability and the human rights situation."[1]
ACPC was founded in 1999 by Freedom House, a neoconservative organization that has worked closely with the U.S. government, receiving funds from the National Endowment for Democracy and other U.S. democratization initiatives. ACPC updated its name to include the broader region after conflicts erupted between Russia and other Caucasus enclaves such as Ingushetia, Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia and North Ossetia.[2]
ACPC's activities include organizing public education programs, developing policy recommendations for lawmakers, and collaborating with activists, journalists, and scholars. It also works closely with a range of nongovernmental policy groups and think tanks, including the neoconservative policy outfit the American Enterprise Institute and the right-wing Jamestown Foundation. The committee distributes a weekly email news service and newsletter entitled News of the Week. ACPC's web site contains a news archive, policy papers relating to the U.S. role in the Caucasus, and academic papers, maps, and photos of the conflict.
Glen Howard, the president of the Jamestown Foundation, also serves as ACPC's executive director.[3] Howard previously worked as a military analyst for Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), a high-tech defense contractor, and has served as a consultant for the Department of Defense, National Intelligence Council, and "major oil companies operating in Central Asia and the Middle East."[4]
The publications of Howard’s two organizations often overlap. For example, the Jamestown Foundation produces North Caucasus Weekly, an ezine that features contributions by ACPC board members.[5] ACPC’s website is typically dominated by reposts from Jamestown. Both groups also work extensively with Soviet defectors and Chechen dissidents.
ACPC's board of directors has included both Democratic and Republican elites, including Zbigniew Brzezinski, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Steven J. Solarz, and Max Kampelman. The committee's more than one hundred members has also reflected a wide political spectrum, including such figures as Richard Gere, Morton Abramowitz, and the late Geraldine Ferraro. However, membership is overwhelmingly hawkish, and many high-profile neoconservatives, some associated with the Project for the New American Century, have featured on its membership rolls, including Richard Perle, Frank Gaffney, Elliott Abrams, Midge Decter, William Kristol, Michael Ledeen, and James Woolsey.[6]
ACPC supports the Chechen rebel movement, apparently as a strategy to weaken Russia and establish better U.S. ties in a region of increasing geopolitical value, which has vast, unexploited natural resource reserves including rich oil, gas, and hard mineral deposits.[7]
ACPC is perhaps the only U.S.-based organization in which national security militarists and neoconservatives openly support an insurgent movement that is not only nationalist but also largely Islamist.[8] Although ACPC notes its concern about human rights violations and issues of self-determination, far more attention appears to be given to simply advancing U.S. geopolitics by weakening Russia and China.[9]
The Smith Richardson Foundation has been the largest donor to the ACPC, giving sums totaling almost $420,000 to Freedom House from 2002-2004.[10]
by justdrew » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:53 pm
divideandconquer wrote:Is it not a bit ironic that April 19 marks the beginning of the Revolutionary War, the Battles of Lexington and Concord? A war for our freedom and liberty. And today, April 19, in the same state, citizens on lockdown in fear of one 19-yr old with a pipe bomb and a gun? An entire city shuts down? Citizens turning over phones and cameras to aid in the capture of this 19-yr old "terrorist."? Extrajudicial punishments? Indefinite detentions? No Miranda rights? No right to a jury trial? No due process?
A sad day, indeed.
And today, April 19, in the same state, citizens on lockdown in fear of one 19-yr old with a pipe bomb and a gun?
An entire city shuts down?
Citizens turning over phones and cameras to aid in the capture of this 19-yr old "terrorist."?
Extrajudicial punishments?
Indefinite detentions?
No Miranda rights?
No right to a jury trial?
No due process?
by FourthBase » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:54 pm
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