Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[Hunter]

Suspect allegedly hit in neck and leg.
He was hit at least once last night in the shootout. He managed to outrun police on foot with a bullet hole in his neck and/or leg. wow.

Update on OLD MAN WITH "deadmans switch" it was an unccorporative bystander who got taken down for not following orders and he was wearing a breathing/oxygen device vest. ROFL.

[seemslikeadream]

someone should do something to rectify the situation

why is this happening?

who/why is allowing this shit to go on and on?

Has it occurred to you that maybe my rage was understandable and justified?
And that maybe other people have felt the same way?
I might be wrong about that. Hope I'm not.

START YOUR OWN FUCKIN RAGE THREAD AND CARRY ON BE MY GUEST

[KeenInsight]

Suspect allegedly hit in neck and leg.
He was hit at least once last night in the shootout. He managed to outrun police on foot with a bullet hole in his neck and/or leg. wow.

Update on OLD MAN WITH "deadmans switch" it was an unccorporative bystander who got taken down for not following orders and he was wearing a breathing/oxygen device vest. ROFL.

Jesus, what's this kid got, packs of morphine and epi-pens?

And American stays glued to their Television watching the Hollywood unfold.

I haven't actually watched any of this on the TV.

[Hunter]

someone should do something to rectify the situation

why is this happening?

who/why is allowing this shit to go on and on?

Has it occurred to you that maybe my rage was understandable and justified?
And that maybe other people have felt the same way?
I might be wrong about that. Hope I'm not.

START YOUR OWN FUCKIN RAGE THREAD AND CARRY ON BE MY GUEST

I like FourthBase A LOT he brings good stuff to the table and he is obviously an old school truth warrior, I am too, but he has taken it to a whole new level in this thread and has discouraged open and free discussion with name calling, mockery and insults.


Its absolutely NOT PERSONAL FB, I dig you and what you bring but youre going slightly overboard with the name calling and stuff in this thread, id really appreciate some sort of apology for the behavior you have shown the last 24 hours OR AT LEAST just tone it down a little, I think I can speak for most everyone when I say, IT IS RATHER UNCOMFORTABLE TO WATCH.

[FourthBase]

- Careful what I say? Oh, right, I take no care. What horseshit.
There are good people who become cops. Some of them even become good cops.
I'm not supposed to root for them to catch a mass murderer, or a phantom mass murderer?
Again: DO YOU FOLKS REALLY THINK I DON'T ALREADY KNOW AND APPRECIATE YOUR POV?
That if you rehash all the reasons for doubt and fear, I'll suddenly realize, hey, yeah, maybe?
DESPITE WRITING ABOUT THOSE SAME DOUBTS AND FEARS LONG BEFORE YOU HERE?
"Fuck the Government"? And I'm the one who should be careful? Me?
What, you don't think good people exist in the government, either?
"No, I'm sure there are, but..." NO BUTS! DIFFERENTIATE, YOU LAZY FUCKS!
An upside down flag is cool? But not a rightside up one?
THE FORMER IS JUST AS MUCH THE FLAG AS THE LATTER.
And you don't REALLY know WHAT someone is thinking as they wave a flag.
"I love this country, now kill some brown people!"
---------------OR----------------
"I love this country, now expose the Scumbag Elite who hijacked it!"
STOP BEING SO WILLFULLY STUPID AND LAZY. It's willful.
I know damn well you're smarter than this shit, so many of you.

FourthBase, did you also watch the video where the GOOD FBI whistle-blower spoke out. Remember, I said there are good people, right? Good people in the government who don't have all the power against the bad people, otherwise none of the listed things I stated would have ever happened.

Right, okay, so, but..."Fuck the Government"?
That sentiment contributes to FBI buildings getting death threats.
Buildings where good whistleblowers work.
Someone pointed it out above:
Government = People.
Some bad, some mixed, some good.

I feel for the loss of the dead and injured in Boston, as equally as I feel sorry for those kids who were no doubt radicalized, and the parents that lost them. And how would any of us feel as a parent knowing that your kid became involved in a bombing? The cops had to equally put their lives on the line. They have families, they have kids. But, I will only respect a cop that is good in their heart, protects all good people, man, woman, or child, and any race, and that respects the Bill of Rights and Constitution for what it was and is.

Which, is great. Thank you. Appreciated. And agreed.
Except, here, you're talking about probably most cops.

I am a peaceful, non-violent person that weeps for all of Humanity and no government can take away my words or thoughts.

Agreed. Same.

And no, no flag is good up or down. Nationalism is a danger to all of Humanity.

Even the "nationalism", i.e. democratic republic that enshrined that very same freedom of not letting the government take away your words and thoughts, in its constitution, which, despite being insidiously undermined by the 1947 National Security Act, is still alive and well and in force? The flag can also represent that, to you, if you wish it to. You should go down the store and buy one for a trial run of a week. See how it feels, waving an emblem of that freedom you cherish. Might feel good. If not, throw it out. Light it on fire. Your choice.

I was the kid who refused to stand up in class and praise a flag, not because it was cool, because it is my RIGHT. Cultural heritage is important, but not a Flag, Ever, IMO. If I displayed a Flag upside down at my home, some douchebag neighbor would probably call the cops like an idiot anyways, or I would get vandalized. And for what? Making a valid free-speech point, when the law specifically states what it stands for? So I don't see anything "cool" about it.

1. Symbols are important, self-determined as much as culturally so. Did your ancestors not value symbols? Do you? Some people value them too much, or for the wrong reason. That's their problem. You get to decide what a flag or any symbol means to you.

2. Your douchebag neighbor would get a mighty earful from a real veteran. Fuck him. Do it.

If you took offense at my choice of words, which may have not have been the best words to use, then I a apologize, ok?

Hey, I could copy that and hit CTRL-V about 100 times. Believe me, me too. Sorry.

[Aldebaran]

Thanks seemslikeadream, for the Chechnya/ACPC stuff a few pages back.

TV says that Tsarnaev will be whisked off to federal "High Value Detainee Interrogation Group"

The purpose of research supported by the HIG is to advance the science and practice of intelligence interviewing and interrogation. Offerors will conduct research for the HIG in their facilities. The HIG has defined several areas for long-range study and advisory support. These research areas include but are not limited to:

Field observations of military and strategic interrogators, intelligence interviewers and debriefers in order to document strategies, methods and outcomes;
Surveys and structured interviews of interrogators, intelligence interviewers and debriefers specified by the Government in order to document what these operational personnel think works and does not work and the development of operationally-based best practices which may be later investigated via laboratory or field studies;
Development, testing and evaluation of metrics for assessing the efficacies of interrogations, intelligence interviews and debriefs and of the use of particular interrogation, intelligence interview and debrief strategies and methods;
Field quasi-experimental studies to evaluate the efficacy of new evidence-based interrogation, intelligence interview and debrief strategies and methods;
Laboratory studies to test and/or discover new interrogation, intelligence interview and debrief methods;
Laboratory or field studies to assess the validity of evidence-based interviewing, deception detection, and other relevant principles and/or methods across non-U.S. populations both with and without the use of interpreters;
Laboratory or field studies on fundamental psychological processes (to include but not be limited to decision-making, emotion, motivation, memory, persuasion, social identities and social development) as these are relevant to interrogations, intelligence interviews and debriefs;
Laboratory or field studies of interpersonal processes (e.g., social influence, persuasion, negotiation, conflict resolution and management), with particular attention to cultural and intercultural issues; and
Topics considered out of scope for this BAA include the development of technologies for credibility assessment or other performance support aids, methods relying exclusively on case studies, and language training.

http://publicintelligence.net/fbi-high- ... ouncement/

HIG supposed to only use US Army field manual interrogation techniques.

As high-profile as this case is and if the, um, exuberance, displayed in this thread is even remotely indicative of most Bostonians' feelings atm I don't see how they could "disappear" him or whatever. The last couple of people to be rendered to the HIG seem to have had full civilian trials. The most (mildly) disturbing aspect to me is this "internet sleuthing"--witch hunt is a strong word, but none of the half dozen or so suspects turned out to be our guys, which is totally not surprising given that the only real qualifications most people on reddit and 4chan have are their ability to look at pictures for extended periods of time. There was a thread on here a while ago IIRC about an ARG where you solve crimes in real time, internet points if you can find it, I was unable to.

[FourthBase]

Loud and clear, Bruce.
Again, to anyone I respect like Alchemy:
Sorry for making/enflaming a scene.

[Hunter]

Loud and clear, Bruce.
Again, to anyone I respect like Alchemy:
Sorry for making/enflaming a scene.

Apology accepted and appreciated.

Keep rocking it bro, I understand where youre coming from when it hits close to home, I do, I dont want to get in to specifics but I was close to one of the recent shooting sprees that almost killed a person very close to me.


Its nothing personal, just was a little uncomfortable watching you get angry with people who I think have a lot of respect for what you bring and have brought to this forum for a long fucking time.


That said, its over and done for me, lets move on and get to the bottom of things.

[seemslikeadream]

Thanks seemslikeadream, for the Chechnya/ACPC stuff a few pages back.

TV says that Tsarnaev will be whisked off to federal "High Value Detainee Interrogation Group"

The purpose of research supported by the HIG is to advance the science and practice of intelligence interviewing and interrogation. Offerors will conduct research for the HIG in their facilities. The HIG has defined several areas for long-range study and advisory support. These research areas include but are not limited to:

Field observations of military and strategic interrogators, intelligence interviewers and debriefers in order to document strategies, methods and outcomes;
Surveys and structured interviews of interrogators, intelligence interviewers and debriefers specified by the Government in order to document what these operational personnel think works and does not work and the development of operationally-based best practices which may be later investigated via laboratory or field studies;
Development, testing and evaluation of metrics for assessing the efficacies of interrogations, intelligence interviews and debriefs and of the use of particular interrogation, intelligence interview and debrief strategies and methods;
Field quasi-experimental studies to evaluate the efficacy of new evidence-based interrogation, intelligence interview and debrief strategies and methods;
Laboratory studies to test and/or discover new interrogation, intelligence interview and debrief methods;
Laboratory or field studies to assess the validity of evidence-based interviewing, deception detection, and other relevant principles and/or methods across non-U.S. populations both with and without the use of interpreters;
Laboratory or field studies on fundamental psychological processes (to include but not be limited to decision-making, emotion, motivation, memory, persuasion, social identities and social development) as these are relevant to interrogations, intelligence interviews and debriefs;
Laboratory or field studies of interpersonal processes (e.g., social influence, persuasion, negotiation, conflict resolution and management), with particular attention to cultural and intercultural issues; and
Topics considered out of scope for this BAA include the development of technologies for credibility assessment or other performance support aids, methods relying exclusively on case studies, and language training.

http://publicintelligence.net/fbi-high- ... ouncement/

HIG supposed to only use US Army field manual interrogation techniques.

As high-profile as this case is and if the, um, exuberance, displayed in this thread is even remotely indicative of most Bostonians' feelings atm I don't see how they could "disappear" him or whatever. The last couple of people to be rendered to the HIG seem to have had full civilian trials. The most (mildly) disturbing aspect to me is this "internet sleuthing"--witch hunt is a strong word, but none of the half dozen or so suspects turned out to be our guys, which is totally not surprising given that the only real qualifications most people on reddit and 4chan have are their ability to look at pictures for extended periods of time. There was a thread on here a while ago IIRC about an ARG where you solve crimes in real time, internet points if you can find it.

thanks for noticing....I'm surprised you even saw it.....I like copy and paste...I like facts ...emotion/ego not so much

[FourthBase]

Thanks seemslikeadream, for the Chechnya/ACPC stuff a few pages back.

TV says that Tsarnaev will be whisked off to federal "High Value Detainee Interrogation Group"

The purpose of research supported by the HIG is to advance the science and practice of intelligence interviewing and interrogation. Offerors will conduct research for the HIG in their facilities. The HIG has defined several areas for long-range study and advisory support. These research areas include but are not limited to:

Field observations of military and strategic interrogators, intelligence interviewers and debriefers in order to document strategies, methods and outcomes;
Surveys and structured interviews of interrogators, intelligence interviewers and debriefers specified by the Government in order to document what these operational personnel think works and does not work and the development of operationally-based best practices which may be later investigated via laboratory or field studies;
Development, testing and evaluation of metrics for assessing the efficacies of interrogations, intelligence interviews and debriefs and of the use of particular interrogation, intelligence interview and debrief strategies and methods;
Field quasi-experimental studies to evaluate the efficacy of new evidence-based interrogation, intelligence interview and debrief strategies and methods;
Laboratory studies to test and/or discover new interrogation, intelligence interview and debrief methods;
Laboratory or field studies to assess the validity of evidence-based interviewing, deception detection, and other relevant principles and/or methods across non-U.S. populations both with and without the use of interpreters;
Laboratory or field studies on fundamental psychological processes (to include but not be limited to decision-making, emotion, motivation, memory, persuasion, social identities and social development) as these are relevant to interrogations, intelligence interviews and debriefs;
Laboratory or field studies of interpersonal processes (e.g., social influence, persuasion, negotiation, conflict resolution and management), with particular attention to cultural and intercultural issues; and
Topics considered out of scope for this BAA include the development of technologies for credibility assessment or other performance support aids, methods relying exclusively on case studies, and language training.

http://publicintelligence.net/fbi-high- ... ouncement/

HIG supposed to only use US Army field manual interrogation techniques.

As high-profile as this case is and if the, um, exuberance, displayed in this thread is even remotely indicative of most Bostonians' feelings atm I don't see how they could "disappear" him or whatever. The last couple of people to be rendered to the HIG seem to have had full civilian trials. The most (mildly) disturbing aspect to me is this "internet sleuthing"--witch hunt is a strong word, but none of the half dozen or so suspects turned out to be our guys, which is totally not surprising given that the only real qualifications most people on reddit and 4chan have are their ability to look at pictures for extended periods of time. There was a thread on here a while ago IIRC about an ARG where you solve crimes in real time, internet points if you can find it.

You're disturbed by internet sleuthing? Really? How do you know none of those guys were not related to "our guys"? The Moroccan kid, I feel bad for. Seems completely harmless, unshady, except for his ethnicity to people who zone in on that stuff automatically. But the khakis guys? The skull hat guy? The CST team that seems to have some Craft International angle? Still very much in play, as far as most here think, if I can be so bold as to speak for other people. I don't see a huge problem, actually, with the notion of making net-sleuthing a ludic exercise if it's applied to real life. Find a clue to a real cold case, win $500 bucks...something bad about that? Innocent people sometimes get accused? They already do. And no one on Reddit has the power to issue an arrest warrant, or a gag order, or rule on evidence in a trial where an innocent person can get wrongly convicted and sentenced for life, to death. Which happens. Not new. So why net-sleuths are the bad guys? Traditional media, screen and print, is chock full of witch-hunty errors that ruin lives. So what use are qualifications? FBI ruined innocent lives long before the internet was a thing. Honestly, I'm way more disturbed by the trend of anyone being disturbed by internet-sleuthing. It might be our only hope, lol. No need to double-standardize. In fact, imperative that we don't. If anything, give Reddit and 4chan its props. They do deserve some.

I cannot see us in Boston letting them whisk him to a secret faraway dungeon. Yes, some here will roar with approval. Torture him, slowly, etc. But even some who wish him harm want him to face it here, in a local prison, attacked by locals, not outsiders. And the majority, maybe, do not want either Gitmo or local beatings, but a fair trial, etc. It's in the constitution, anyway. He's a citizen. No way they whisk him. If they do, I'll worry then. And worry a lot.

[Hunter]

I'm still agnostic about what happened - certainly not seeing the abundant evidence for a Gladio operation that has been jumping out at other, possibly more perspicacious posters - but there is no way that this will not be used to further limit civil liberties. Nothing has happened yet, but let's see what happens next week. You can look at the opinions tweeted by Senator Lindsey Graham (not more extreme than some of your other lawmakers, just less diplomatic):
- "If captured, I hope Administration will at least consider holding the Boston suspect as enemy combatant for intelligence gathering purposes."
- To the Washington Post: "It sure would be nice to have a drone up there."
Congressman Pete King: "Police [...] have to realize that the threat is coming from the Muslim community and increase surveillance there.”

Also the voluminous amount of video evidence that was available to investigators has already made Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel say something about how important security cameras are, and you know this thing is going to be used as motivation in other cities to put up more of them.

Well while we were watching Boston the house Passed CISPA and you may want to see what they did with the STOCK ACT while we all werent looking, THAT may be the biggest news of the last few days, what they did to the STOCK ACT makes me throw up. SO nice of congress to be so busy at work passing very crontested and controversial bills when we and the media arent looking. Fuckers.


A quick summary from huffpo:

Stock Act Change Just Quietly Made It Easier For Top Federal Employees To Inside Trade


Who says nothing ever gets done in Washington? Swiftly and without fanfare, Congress and President Obama have made it easier for top federal employees to trade on inside information.

On Monday, Obama signed into a law a change in the Stop Trading On Congressional Knowledge, or STOCK Act, which was passed in 2012. The change, which was approved unanimously by Congress last week, means that top federal employees, including staffers on Capital Hill and in the White House, will not have to publicly disclose their financial holdings online. That requirement was part of the original STOCK Act, but its implementation had been delayed again and again by Congress. And now it's dead.

[KeenInsight]

Right, okay, so, but..."Fuck the Government"?

A sweeping generalization of the whole government is probably what it sounds like but it is how I express it. I am angered by all of these crimes against humanity that have been allowed to happen by the large majority or small minority, whoever is responsible in, apart, or attached to the government. I feel we are not one step closer to bringing the real perps of this crime or any other past OP crime to justice. The civilians suffer, the people that are made/nurtured into bad people/terrorists suffer. They are all people. And it makes me upset.

I am a part Osage Native, it is in my blood not to believe what "they" say for what they did to my people. I am also Norwegian, German, etc., and they are all my blood, my heritage, and people too.

A better definition of Fuck The Government, is not a threat, it is my Wordly Rebellion:

"1. A statement of strong dislike and conviction towards the governing body that represents us all [and against the individuals or parties that use the governing body to commit crimes against humanity and/or a conspiracy of the willing].

2. An opinion held by the founding fathers of the United States of America."

[Hunter]

Right, okay, so, but..."Fuck the Government"?

A sweeping generalization of the whole government is probably what it sounds like but it is how I express it. I am angered by all of these crimes against humanity that have been allowed to happen by the large majority or small minority, whoever is responsible in, apart, or attached to the government. I feel we are not one step closer to bringing the real perps of this crime or any other past OP crime to justice. The civilians suffer, the people that are made/nurtured into bad people/terrorists suffer. They are all people. And it makes me upset.

I am a part Osage Native, it is in my blood not to believe what "they" say for what they did to my people. I am also Norwegian, German, etc., and they are all my blood, my heritage, and people too.

A better definition of Fuck The Government, is not a threat, it is my Wordly Rebellion:

"1. A statement of strong dislike and conviction towards the governing body that represents us all [and against the individuals or parties that use the governing body to commit crimes against humanity and/or a conspiracy of the willing].

2. An opinion held by the founding fathers of the United States of America."

I am just a regular old Jew and I agree with you.

[seemslikeadream]

Dzhokhar is a Chechen name and he was likely named after the first separatist president from Chechen who died in 1995, Dzokhar Dudaev

The Tsarnaev family apparently moved to Dagestan after the outbreak of the Russia-Chechnya war in 1999. The fact that they resided in Makhachkala and not in Khasavyurt, as most other ethnic Chechens in the republic, indicates that they had the financial means to live in the capital of Dagestan, which is quite expensive, says Mairbek Vatchagaev, a Chechen analyst for the foundation.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36281

Russian President Vladimir Putin may use Boston tragedy to reset relations with U.S.

[Hunter]

The FBI now admits they had contact with the older brother, and the parents have suggested they spoke to someone who claimed to be FBI and they said BASICALLY in their own words that the FBI was sort of MENTORING the kid. Even if thats just parental delusion the FBI does admit contact with a potential radical muslim from Chechnya. I dont think it is a huge jump to SUGGEST that MAYBE, it is possible, just maybe, possibly, that they could have used an informant to sort of guide the kid in his beliefs and learning online, steering him to certain informant created radical sites etc and maybe put him in touch with the right people for training when he made his recent visit to the motherland and further guided him to take part in a black op that 'someone' felt needed to happen for whatever reason: more future draconian legislation and curtailing of rights, control of the internet. I suspect with the passage of CISPA and other internet type laws, they will start to show how these homegrown terrorists are created on the internet, IN FACT FOX experts are already saying this guy was in touch with other terrorists on the internet and learned his methods there etc, and they will use it to pass laws further controlling the free expression of information that we all enjoy on the net now. I just dont think a gladio strategy of tension interpretation of these events is out of the question but I am not going to jump on that bandwagon and curse anyone who doesnt agree with it, in the end shit is gonna happen all I want is a heads up so I can take care of my lady love and my cat should shit really ever go down.


I also believe they were at MIT waiting for a potential handler that was supposed to help them in some way and that person never showed up and things got desperate and off script.


All reports suggest they were acting NORMALLY as late as WEDS the kid went to class even then thursday they are at MIT with huge backpacks full of explosives and ammo and it starts there, WHY DID THEY HAVE ALL THEIR COMBAT GEAR when they hijacked that guys car, they had it ALL READY THEN AND THERE for some reason, they knew something was gonna go down that day, EITHER ANOTHER PLANNED OP or an escape with the help of someone, but they were NORMAL one day before then suddenly we find them shooting a cop and hjacking a car and EXPOLSIVES and guns materialize for their USE AT EVERY FUCKING STOP from there on out, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?!?!?! Normal for 3 days after bombing then thursday they are john fucking rambo loaded with bombs and guns and ready for war.


Does anyone see that as a little strange?

They did not have their own car all loaded with gear, they hijacked a car and then all the bombs and ammo abd shit materialized. WTF?


How did all these bombs and guns materialize if they were out carjacking and robbing a 7-11. I can see if they had their own car loaded and ready to go but they carjacked someone else and while in that car they have all these explosives, the cops reported bombs all over the place, guns etc. I dont understand this.