Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[Hunter]

One thing that this proved is that we no longer just have simple police forces and depts in the US, we now have paramilitary armies policing our streets. There is no difference in looks, capability and resources that they have at their disposal between the domestic police and the US military, none. They dont need to bring military troops and tanks on to the streets like Alex Jones screams about, the cops have been turned in to those troops and they also have tanks etc and they are already on the streets and can be deployed at any time as evidenced in Boston.

Exactly. What is exactly is the difference between between cops who look and perform their duties exactly like like military troops "securing" my neighborhood and actual military troops "securing" my neighborhood?

To preserve "Homeland Security", federal, state and local police forces appear to have been turned into full-fledged paramilitary units. Questioning their existence, methods or whims is not allowed. Terrorists are bad. Paramilitary units in our neighborhoods are good because they protect us from terrorists. "We will hunt them down, and if God help anyone who gets in our way."

Well, that's a pretty short-sighted view. [b]One of the reasons police forces have taken on the look of "full-fledged paramilitary units" is because some of the citizenry in this country are better-armed than they are![/b]

But when someone wants to try and reign in that insanity just a bit by proposing sensible restrictions on certain classes of firearms, fear-fueled portions of the populace go into batshit crazy mode.

I see what you mean but I think that was sort of the point of arming the citizenry to begin with.

"People should not fear their government, their government should fear them"-Thomas Jefferson

"There are two enemies of the People: criminals and the government. Let us bind the second with the chains of the Constitution, so that it does not become the legalized version of the first. Thomas Jefferson"


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

While the Declaration of Independence is not law, it is a clear explanation of the justification for founding the United States and lays the groundwork for the Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The primary threat to any free state is it's own government, and the Founder unquestionably wrote this Amendment with that fact in mind.

However, as in a bar fight when someone else is in the wrong, you'd better be bigger.


I am not some gun nut who advocates regular people should have machine guns, so dont take that the wrong way, I am just sayin....

[Twyla LaSarc]

FWIW:

JΞSTΞR™ ‏@th3j35t3r 1h
OVERNIGHT: Since releasing Suspect 2's twitter account details, a single user Tsarnaev was following DELETED his account >> @therealAbdul_

JΞSTΞR™ ‏@th3j35t3r 1h
Following from my last tweet: On 16th April Tsarnaev said the following to the now DELETED twitter user: http://i.imgur.com/edzcmtD.png

JΞSTΞR™ ‏@th3j35t3r 49m
More ref last 2 tweets: Tsarnaev tweeted this over SIX MONTHS before Boston Marathon to the since deleted user: http://i.imgur.com/7BRhJ0d.png

JΞSTΞR™ ‏@th3j35t3r 39m
Judging by my last few tweets, since DELETD @therealAbdul_ could well be a person of interest so here's his face: http://i.imgur.com/9XBp1WK.png

Geographical location associations of mentions of twitter user @theRealAbdul_ since March 2012:
https://recordedfuture.com/live/sc/789sTKv6qBeU

[Hunter]

I've been home alone all day. I have seen and heard nothing strange. I have heard there is a killer on loose, so I have been extra careful about everything, but today is just a normal day at home.

An army brigade rolls into my neighborhood, knocks at my door and asks to invade and "secure" my home. I don't want to let them in, so I say, "Sorry, but no thank you. Come back when you have a warrant."

Who should I be more afraid of right at this moment, the lone killer not in my house or the army brigade at my door?

That's a fair question. If an army brigade were at my door, I'd be less concerned about their actual presence and more concerned about what brought about their actual presence.

And yes, the creeping fascism in this nation is of great concern; but a bomb-exploding maniac in the neighborhood of of greater immediate concern.

Fair point my friend and I am not saying you are wrong, the problem I have is that for me to accept the police response that we saw in Boston I first have to accept that the attacks were actually as reported, official story is correct and these were actually two maniacs working on their own to bring terror, kill and maim, and I am sad to say I just dont believe that AT THIS TIME, so I cant accept the resulting response to it because I BELIEVE THERE IS MORE HERE THAN MEETS THE EYE and the RESPONSE ITSELF WAS PART OF THE AGENDA that is hidden behind the veil of this event.


If it were all REAL and not staged or manufactured and I am not saying for sure that it was, but if it were real and not manufactured, then sure, I would want the cops to do their job, but again I am just not sure that these guys were acting alone and were not handled or mentored and this was not some sort of gladio strategy of tension and therefore the police response is harder for me to swallow all things considered.


If we lived in a society where the govt can be trusted not to take advantage of things like this and wouldnt use the police response and the citizens cooperation with it, as a precedent for more fascism and police state activity then YES BY ALL MEANS I would support the police and want them to do whatever they need to do to protect us, but again, I dont see it that way and I wont try and force my cynicism and jaded world view on everyone else but in my profession I have seen so much corruption by those who are entrusted to lead and govern, that it is just hard for me to trust any of it anymore.

[chump]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... n/2097915/

There was a 7-Eleven robbery in Cambridge last night, but it had nothing to do with the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.
Margaret Chabris, the director of corporate communication at 7- Eleven, says the surveillance video of the crime was not taken at a 7-Eleven and that the suspect that did rob the 7-Eleven does not look like Tamerlan or Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
"The suspect in the photos for that particular 7-Eleven robbery looks nothing like the suspects," Chabris says. "The police or someone made a mistake. Someone was confused."

[Hunter]

Thanks for clearing that up my man, I had heard that was the case and wanted to be fair before pushing the whole robbery of a 7-11 thing just in case that reports of it not happening were true and they appear now to be.

[chump]

http://au.businessinsider.com/tsarnaev- ... ing-2013-4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... RE9rclZCqw

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/bombing-susp ... -a-set-up/

The mother of two brothers believed to be responsible for the Boston Marathon bombing insists her sons are innocent and were “set up,” according to a telephone interview with RT-TV, also known as Russia Today...

... “My son would never do this. It is a set-up,” the woman continued in her interview with RT. “He was controlled by FBI for like, three, five years. They knew what my son was doing. They knew what actions and what sites on the Internet he was going. He used to come home, they used to come and talk to me. They used to tell me that, you know, that they are controlling his – they were telling me that he’s really a serious leader and they’re afraid of him. They said, they told me that whatever he is, whatever country decides, whatever is there, whatever information he’s getting, they are controlling him, so how could this happen? How could they – they were controlling every step of him, and they’re telling today that this is a terrorist act. Never, ever! This is not true. My two sons are innocent.”

[Hunter]

I want to make it clear that I am not going full blown conspiratard here nor encouraging anyone else to, and suggesting that this was definitely an inside job and the cia/fbi etc are all behind it and there is some evil agenda on the horizon and these events are being used to further it.

What I AM saying is there are A LOT of questions that need to be answered, and that likely will never be answered, before I can draw any real and honest conclusions about the events that happened in Boston this week. That is all. There are just a lot of questions that we really need answers to.

[Hunter]

http://au.businessinsider.com/tsarnaev-brothers-mother-fbi-boston-bombing-2013-4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... RE9rclZCqw

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/bombing-susp ... -a-set-up/

The mother of two brothers believed to be responsible for the Boston Marathon bombing insists her sons are innocent and were “set up,” according to a telephone interview with RT-TV, also known as Russia Today...

... “My son would never do this. It is a set-up,” the woman continued in her interview with RT. “He was controlled by FBI for like, three, five years. They knew what my son was doing. They knew what actions and what sites on the Internet he was going. He used to come home, they used to come and talk to me. They used to tell me that, you know, that they are controlling his – they were telling me that he’s really a serious leader and they’re afraid of him. They said, they told me that whatever he is, whatever country decides, whatever is there, whatever information he’s getting, they are controlling him, so how could this happen? How could they – they were controlling every step of him, and they’re telling today that this is a terrorist act. Never, ever! This is not true. My two sons are innocent.”

I just cant get over this, I understand what parental delusion is but all of his relatives have been very consistent in saying this same thing, even the uncle who IMO seems to be a very good guy with no agenda at all is now saying very clearly that they kids were being controlled and brainwashed.

[Hunter]

So the FOX NEWS insider expert just confirmed that they had NINE explosive devices in the HIJACKED MERCEDES, so that means they were at MIT doing whatever they were doing and they had to have been walking around at that time with NINE BOMBS on their person, otherwise how did the NINE BOMBS materialize in the carjacked mercedes, did they just happen to carjack the one guy in Boston who drives around with NINE BOMBS in his car, where did these nine bombs come from and if they had them in backpacks, were they actually walking around MIT with backpacks full of nine bombs PLUS all the guns and ammo they had which the police have said was an INCREDIBLE AMOUNT and that doesnt even take in to account HOW HEAVY 9 bombs, guns and AMMO are to be carrying around.

Not to mention the fact that the police are now saying that they had RIFLES, so where were the RIFLES when they were at MIT and then hijacked the car, where they cruising around MIT with rifles slung over their fucking shoulders. I am telling you my friends this shit doesnt add up and it STINKS!

I am really really confused how these nine bombs, guns, ammo and RIFLES seemed to just materialize out of thin air when they got in to the hijacked mercedes, this is no small issue, it is a very very important question that needs to be answered.

[Hunter]

Sorry if I missed anyone who has replied to my posts with a question, I am still catching up and reading and will get to it.

[stefano]

The Marathon Bombing: What the Media Didn’t Warn You About
By Russ Baker on Apr 19, 2013
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/04/19/the-ma ... you-about/

A must-read.

Seconded. Very good. Except for:

The upshot will be to bring the US and Russia into closer alignment.

I doubt that very much. The US and Russia have strategic visions that keep them well apart. It's not like they've been kept apart by a silly misunderstanding and can now be reconciled in the feel-good afterglow of a nation coming together and overcoming its fear or whatever. It may be that Russia will now feel freer to act aggressively in the Caucasus because any criticism from Washington will be badly received in American public opinion, but the Americans tend to keep quiet about Russian aggression there anyway. Because it looks the same as Iraq and Afghanistan, I reckon; also, I sometimes think, because the 1999 apartment bombings look similar to 9/11 in important ways.

[DrVolin]

The US and Russia have strategic visions that keep them well apart.

Except both times it really mattered: 1914-18 and 1939-45. It will be the same the next time. They are natural allies. They just don't like to admit it in public.

[stefano]

The US and Russia have strategic visions that keep them well apart.

Except both times it really mattered: 1914-18 and 1939-45. It will be the same the next time. They are natural allies. They just don't like to admit it in public.

Can't agree. It was 1914-1917 the first time, because Russia had got involved largely owing to personal affinities between the Romanovs and the Serbian government, and the Bolsheviks pulled out because they really were on a different wavelength to the French and British and Americans about Belgium and Alsace. In round two the Russians only got involved in 1941 when the Germans attacked them, and the Americans only late in 1941 after Pearl Harbor. That alliance lasted exactly as long as Hitler. Moreover, if you consider NATO as a broad English-speaking imperium (within which power has been shifting with some consequences but not enough to threaten the unit), the continuation of the British Empire, then Russia has been at odds with that overnation (if I can call it that) over control of the Caucasus, Afghanistan and access to north India for a couple of centuries. And that's where the focus is now.

[FourthBase]

So the FOX NEWS insider expert just confirmed that they had NINE explosive devices in the HIJACKED MERCEDES, so that means they were at MIT doing whatever they were doing and they had to have been walking around at that time with NINE BOMBS on their person, otherwise how did the NINE BOMBS materialize in the carjacked mercedes, did they just happen to carjack the one guy in Boston who drives around with NINE BOMBS in his car, where did these nine bombs come from and if they had them in backpacks, were they actually walking around MIT with backpacks full of nine bombs PLUS all the guns and ammo they had which the police have said was an INCREDIBLE AMOUNT and that doesnt even take in to account HOW HEAVY 9 bombs, guns and AMMO are to be carrying around.

Not to mention the fact that the police are now saying that they had RIFLES, so where were the RIFLES when they were at MIT and then hijacked the car, where they cruising around MIT with rifles slung over their fucking shoulders. I am telling you my friends this shit doesnt add up and it STINKS!

I am really really confused how these nine bombs, guns, ammo and RIFLES seemed to just materialize out of thin air when they got in to the hijacked mercedes, this is no small issue, it is a very very important question that needs to be answered.

I had said above that the carjacked person was suspect. Oh, these two mega-maniacs just wanted to shoot the shit with him for half an hour, and then drop him off? And that indeed looks like one of the top 3 or 5 money questions here. Maybe #1. Why would they do that, and how did they carry all that crap because if they didn't carry it then it was already in the carjacked car and then what. (Or did they have help in Cambridge, safehouses of some kind...where did those Russian spies live, I ask once again?) This stinks so bad. So, so, so bad. Above you mentioned how it seemed like they went off script. If so, thank christ. Because, what did the script have them doing later? Thank god for those who go off script. By the way, see what I mean, what I meant? "It's a script! It's a trap! It's all scripted!" But then, what if it was actually off script? What does that mean, for all the usual most-cynical-possible interpretations? In a way, it could be similar to the possibility that Flight 93 was not pre-scripted, but also off script, not part of the plan, an anomaly, which if I read that Olof Palme pdf book right, planners seem to hate. They hate anomalies. Why? They're so powerful, surely an anomaly couldn't hurt them? Oh, but, see: It could. Otherwise, they wouldn't bother planning anything, wouldn't bother trying to safeguard against anomalies. Who knows yet. Not us, yet. Yet to be determined. Surely they could just re-absorb an off-script anomaly into their schemes, they have control of the media, they have the police* by the balls, if they fucked up they can just re-route things, re-write the script. But: What if we don't let them? By "we" I do not mean Boston or Massachusetts. I mean us, here, and the folks at Reddit and 4chan and wherever else. Those pesky kids, too curious, too reckless, meddling with legitimate society by inspecting pictures even though the FBI and media insisted if not practically demanded that we citizens disregard all other pics, meddling with inconvenient facts. Yes. Meddle on!

*Alchemy, you don't know many Boston cops, personally, right? Yeah, there's racism in the city, hardly all of us, not even most of us, only some of us, actually, and even for them, only somewhat, mostly a superficial racism, not soul-deep. Sometimes you'll see people point to Boston as being more racist than the deep South, and I simultaneously rage and laugh, because that notion is absurd and insulting not just to us but way more to the many black people who were lynched and otherwise murdered and otherwise physically and emotionally destroyed in the deep South. One guy here stabbed another guy with a flag, thankfully the guy lived. A few hundred total losers in Southie and Charlestown threw some rocks and sprayed slurs in graffiti and threatened to do worse, out of a community of several thousand. Oh, but when the KKK came calling, Southie people told them to go fuck off. Did that again, over the Saint Patrick's parade. (Again, that whole busing crisis was a class clusterfuck much more than a racial one.) A handful of dipshits broke into Bill Russell's house and took a shit on his bed. Shameful. Yes, there were some racist, reactionary, homophobic cops here who might have even relished the opportunity to get rough with blacks, hippies, gays. My uncle was one of them, occasionally. He told me. He was also beloved by the people in the largely-ethnic-minority neighborhood where he walked a beat, helped those people when they were in distress, protected them, befriended them. Does that also count? Then he moved to a low-stakes desk job. Never promoted beyond "Officer", which makes me wonder if he never wanted to be for some reason. He was on the whole a good man. A lovable man. Flawed, but good. Would I trust him, personally, if he was hunting a crazed and well-armed mass murderer? Yes. Would I clap for him, once the murderer was caught (or even only apparently caught)? Yes.

[Hunter]

Very good points FB, I understand where you are coming from, my wife is from Mississippi and it enrages me when people call her a redneck and say things like MS and the south is the armpit of America and they are all racist toothless and ignorant, she is anything but those things and the south is a place dear to my heart, there are lots of ignorant racists there but there are also a lot of them in California, which is a liberal bastion of tolerance so evryone says (except LAPD of course), point is racism is everywhere and Boston included, I am not trying to pick on your city or the people there, I am from New York and now live n Arizona after coming here for college, a real dyed in the wool Yankee fan, Jets and Knicks and Rangers fan, so yea Boston and its sports teams and fans arent my favorite people (just kiddin man) but I do know from being involved in civil rights and criminal defense law that a lot of bad shit goes on with Boston PD and that includes some pretty bad racism and it usually involves the hard core southie irish demographic, but by all means that is NOT an indictment on all irish people or southies or even Bostonians in general, I do know they are a proud and hard working blue collar people there and I am proud to call them my neighbors (most of the time unless they are playing the yankees or knicks or rangers or jets ha).


The story of your uncle is a familiar one, I assume he was from a different era much like mine when racism was just the normal way of life for some demographics, but mostly just in private and they didnt express it in the way of actual discrimination against others in public, I know the kind, I am jewish and have relatives who are also quite racist which is ironic considering what our own people have been through because of such a mentality. I am not sure what my overall point was in saying what I did other than to express my belief that most PDs are really not shining examples of everything that is good in the world, I defend people accused of crimes for a living and I cant even begin to tell you the sort of corruption I have to deal with, every single day, every single case, because of cops on the take or because of their racist attitudes or just because they have a badge and you dont. So yes, I am jaded and I am cynical and I try really hard not to let that define me but sometimes that is no easy task when you deal with this sort of thing over and over and over and over and what is most unfortunate about it is that there are a lot of good cops out there and I have a hard time trusting any of them because of the few bad apples among their bunch, and a few bad apples with badges is a pretty fucking powerful thing even if their numbers are small.

Anyway thanks for sharing, I appreciate your contributions and I will call you on it when I think you deserve it and I know youll do the same to me but at the same time when you dont I will defend you against those who shouldnt be.


Oh and BTW its no wonder those southies stood up against the KKK, after blacks and jews catholics are enemy number 3 on the kkk list of who to hate and destroy. They do not like catholics, the pope, the vatican etc. So no good catholic even if they are racist, would show any support to the KKK no matter how much they may hate blacks or any other minority. Also, I am a Jew so I know all about hate and discrimination, see it and feel every day.