How Absurd: 8 Crazy Reactions, Ridiculous Conclusions, and

[conniption]

In further 'crazy reactions news', here is From the Trenches World Report with Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?, a detailed expose of how the Boston bombing was entirely acted out. That guy who lost his legs was actually an amputee all along (he is referred to as "the amputee actor" in the article), and in the chaos and smoke a government plant was pouring fake blood on the pavement to make the thing seem real.

These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy. If your looking for a gunman look at the Army in the streets of Boston. Share this knowledge with everyone.

Interesting for various reasons:
1. The comments, almost all supportive. There are one or two people pointing out in fairly reasonable language that the entire premise is fucking batshit; they are summarily excoriated as shills, plants or dupes.
2. The way in which the writer and his commenters confidently state that they are right because "if it had been real, it would have looked like this." The conditional mode is used throughout, and the fact that the aftermath of the bombing does not look like their idea of the aftermath of such a bombing means that it can only have been staged. I don't, incidentally, for a moment believe that the writer has actually had experience with this kind of situation as he or she claims.
3. The audience and narrative. This is the militia/patriot crowd: see the advertisements for gold and books that will save you when the shit hits the fan. They have gone full-on knee-jerk Alex Jones. Quite interesting.

Anyway, these bright sparks set the bar quite high for anyone wanting to be the most sceptical freethinker on the block. Next level, I think, would be to claim that there has never been a city called Boston, or a month of April in the calendar.

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Is there a doctor in the house?

Because people who claim to know what a wound like this would actually be like...

edited a second time to add a warning. Warning. Gross image ahead.

Image here

edited to change image to link to image.
image from aangirfan

...say:

#1 - What the hell is he doing in a wheelchair?

#2 - He would have bled to death within 2 min. (tourniquet isn't tight enough. would have no color left in his face.)

#3 - Blood would have been spurting everywhere. (no blood on path of wheelchair.)

All I want is some truth.

[General Patton]

This is another photo, it doesn't show the bones but you can see the artery:
http://media.salon.com/2013/04/boston-m ... 80x960.jpg

When you go into shock your blood vessels constrict, most of the blood in your body will be trapped in the torso. Think about all of the IED victims from Iraq and Afghanistan who survived despite limited on-site medical care.

If you look closely at the guy in the cowboy hat's right hand, you'll see he is pinching Jeff's femoral artery shut. The tourniquet didn't hold. Jeff's face is extremely pale due to blood loss and shock.

The time it takes a person to bleed out from an injury to the femoral artery is about 5 minutes, but you'll be in critical condition before that due to blood-loss.

Edit: Also, if you're wondering why he isn't screaming it's because he is nearly unconscious. Hypovolemic shock has occurred and he has likely lost more than 20% of the blood in his body. It's normal for a person to have a thousand yard stare when they are in this state as they are nearly dead, organs are starting to shut down and brain damage will occur momentarily unless he can get a transfusion. It's hard to say how much additional bruising his internal organs have because he was so close to the blast.

[Simulist]

Conniption, I think I could have lived a lifetime without being subjected to the picture you just posted.

Would you please convert that picture to a link (with a warning) for those who don't want TO HAVE to see that?

[conniption]

I think I could have lived a lifetime without being subjected to the picture you just posted, Conniption.

Would you please convert that picture to a link (with a warning) for those who don't want TO HAVE to see that?

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Done and done.

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[Simulist]

Thank you.

[FourthBase]

I think I could have lived a lifetime without being subjected to the picture you just posted, Conniption.

Would you please convert that picture to a link (with a warning) for those who don't want TO HAVE to see that?

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Done and done.

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Believe it or not -- and, believe it -- I did not completely ignore this. What I loathe is declaratively, unjustifiably stating with certainty "It was a hoax!" and all the callous scorn for real victims and heroes that always entails. Do I think it was a hoax? Let me put it this way: I'd say there is a 1-in-750,000 chance of it being a hoax, more or less. Did I consider the possibility? Yes. Will I continue to consider it? Yes, occasionally, if there's reason to consider it, even briefly. (In all honesty, though: No, no way, almost absolutely no chance in hell, you are certifiably insane or unpleasantly mendacious if you claim with certainty that there was.) But I don't think I'll be considering it again until one of a few things emerges: A picture of poor legless Jeff on the sidewalk pre-bombing with two curiously-shaped legs, an article about poor Jeff from however long ago which describes how he became an amputee, or a photo which shows clear (not unclear, note) evidence that the leg we see best (or rather, what used to be a leg) is coated with Hollywood blood or that the femur is not really bone. Same goes for the other 15 or so people who lost legs. (Fifteen. How many amputee actors are there, in the world?) Now, will you quit considering it, if a photo of poor Jeff emerges which, say, shows him clapping on the sidewalk a minute before the blast, in shorts, with hairy and apparently-real legs? Because the amputee-actor hoax delusion (calling it a theory is an insult to all theories) requires that he has already lost his legs, and that he has fake-bloodied and fake-boned prosthetics under his pants ready to be ripped off like a male stripper, or something. What falsification would satisfy you?

By the way, let's take the hoax thing to its logical extreme. Ah, so you found a clip of a news story about amputee actors. Therefore, that must mean the victims with amputated legs are just such actors, players in a fraudulent game. Hmmm. What happens, though, if I find a Headline News clip about the internet which shows sock puppets and troll saboteurs performing a service to the military by hijacking message boards with useless information? Ah, now, I don't want to impute anything. Against forum rules, and I don't necessarily think it. But, would that clip not then indicate that, as a component of the giant hoax, there would necessarily be some people on the hoax-mastermind payroll whose job is to flood the internet with distracting, demoralizing garbage? See how that goes? Not good.

[conniption]

I'm not sure of anything, FB.

Now the fellow/gal who runs that yt channel is pretty sure, as are others, but no, not me.
Pretty damn close tho. Close enough to call bullshit on much of the propaganda being shoved down our throats at this time. Shoved from every direction. Left/Right. All of it bullshit.

We need to focus on the real problems and stop picking on each other. When push comes to shove, I'm pretty sure we'd both be on the same side.

Now quit putting words in my mouth.

[FourthBase]

I'm not sure of anything, FB.

Now the fellow/gal who runs that yt channel is pretty sure, as are others, but no, not me.
Pretty damn close tho. Close enough to call bullshit on much of the propaganda being shoved down our throats at this time. Shoved from every direction. Left/Right. All of it bullshit.

We need to focus on the real problems and stop picking on each other. When push comes to shove, I'm pretty sure we'd both be on the same side.

Now quit putting words in my mouth.

Okay, so, long story short: Yes, you are a Boston hoaxer. (A "theory" which is itself probably a hoax, as there cannot be all that many people deluded enough to believe it. Deluded, yes. But not that deluded.) The fact that you would phrase things somewhat pseudo-cautiously leads me to think that you are not the deluded kind of Boston hoaxer. In fact, I'm pretty damn close to sure of that. What other kind of Boston hoaxer is there? I alluded to the firm dichotomy above. Do the math. As such, and I care not one iota if the following violates any board rule: You should be expelled from this board, immediately and permanently.

[freemason9]

Ill tell you, there is WAY TOO MUCH shit on the internet that seems almost designed to drive people more-or-less crazy. I really worry. Shit's fucked up and shit, but damn.

Ha, mu

[Iamwhomiam]

One of the reasons I wanted to locate the photograph of Arredondo in the other thread was to refute the asshole who posted such a ridiculously cruel article. For god's sake, in the photograph taken after he had been assisted and removed from the scene you can still see his bone projecting up from his now traumatically amputated leg holding up his shredded jeans lying on the ground right behind the wounded African American woman's head.

I've been an EMT for 34 years. This guy should have his credentials pulled. The General's correct.

Sometime the most serious wound bleeds the least.

[Simulist]

Ill tell you, there is WAY TOO MUCH shit on the internet that seems almost designed to drive people more-or-less crazy. I really worry. Shit's fucked up and shit, but damn.

"Crazy"? Maybe. "Apart"? Almost certainly.

So I'd amend this to say, "there is WAY TOO MUCH shit on the internet that seems almost designed to drive people APART."

Divide and conquer — keep power by dividing up the opposition into manageable chunks — it's a strategy that's been around since before the Roman Empire, updated now for the internet age.

[conniption]

In further 'crazy reactions news', here is From the Trenches World Report with Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?, a detailed expose of how the Boston bombing was entirely acted out. That guy who lost his legs was actually an amputee all along (he is referred to as "the amputee actor" in the article), and in the chaos and smoke a government plant was pouring fake blood on the pavement to make the thing seem real.

These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy. If your looking for a gunman look at the Army in the streets of Boston. Share this knowledge with everyone.

Interesting for various reasons:
1. The comments, almost all supportive. There are one or two people pointing out in fairly reasonable language that the entire premise is fucking batshit; they are summarily excoriated as shills, plants or dupes.
2. The way in which the writer and his commenters confidently state that they are right because "if it had been real, it would have looked like this." The conditional mode is used throughout, and the fact that the aftermath of the bombing does not look like their idea of the aftermath of such a bombing means that it can only have been staged. I don't, incidentally, for a moment believe that the writer has actually had experience with this kind of situation as he or she claims.
3. The audience and narrative. This is the militia/patriot crowd: see the advertisements for gold and books that will save you when the shit hits the fan. They have gone full-on knee-jerk Alex Jones. Quite interesting.

Anyway, these bright sparks set the bar quite high for anyone wanting to be the most sceptical freethinker on the block. Next level, I think, would be to claim that there has never been a city called Boston, or a month of April in the calendar.

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Is there a doctor in the house?

Because people who claim to know what a wound like this would actually be like...

edited a second time to add a warning. Warning. Gross image ahead.

Image here

edited to change image to link to image.
image from aangirfan

...say:

#1 - What the hell is he doing in a wheelchair?

#2 - He would have bled to death within 2 min. (tourniquet isn't tight enough. would have no color left in his face.)

#3 - Blood would have been spurting everywhere. (no blood on path of wheelchair.)

All I want is some truth.

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humanbeingsfirst

Open Letter to the Doctors of America

from Zahir Ebrahim
April 30, 2013

Dear Medical Practitioners in the United States of America

What bothers me about America is that of the 20,000 doctors and surgeons in Boston, from Harvard-MIT MD-Phds to the Dana-Farber super-specialists in every healthcare related field esoterica, not one can stand up to call a spade a spade? The physician I spoke to privately on Jeff Bauman's Boston Marathon explosion injury images broadcast in the newsmedia (see Domestic Terror and Police-State), with just one look at the photos told me this cannot possibly be real.

Same disturbing Image at link.

Boston Marathon victim both legs blown off sitting upright in wheelchair with loose make-belief tourniquet held by rescuer Carlos Arredondo with his hat on.

Yet no medical practitioner, professor of medicine, EMT, EMS, man of science or man of commonsense from Boston to San Francisco has publicly made that call that the exploded legs victim looking alert and not bleeding to death while being strolled on Boylston Street in a wheelchair instead of a gurney is an absurdity?

Is that what you teach your medical students in the United States of America?

What has gone wrong that this nation only produces cowards?

Did Americans learn nothing from the Banality of Evil that created (and destroyed) the Third Reich?

Are you super learned AMA and FDA approved professors of medicine blind? Or merely “United We Stand” super Good Americans?

Disgusted.

Zahir Ebrahim
Project Humanbeingsfirst.org
California

Source URL: http://print-humanbeingsfirst.blogspot. ... erica.html

[conniption]

Reposted from Here.

twelfth bough

more stupid questions

UPDATE: 4/26/13

Living very near Boston, we have heard and read many things over the past few days. Things which do not add up. News from people we know about people in the hospital with serious injuries. And yet, we cannot find any videos or photos from the incident -- thus far -- to indicate where these other people were located at the time of the explosions.

Given that the goal of the social engineers is to divide society, we see their hand at work. We understand they don't care about killing and maiming people, as obviously they do that all the time. But dividing society is another issue. They really want to divide the people in America. That's where the social engineers have had to get extra creative. Just killing Americans with Muslim terrorist brothers is more of a uniting thing for many Americans, and they don't want us united. In order to make it a Win Win Divide Bonanza, they have to do something a little different. Maybe throw in some fake perps, shopped photos, real photos, fake victims, real victims, the first bomb, the second bomb... and so on. Mix it all together. Hide things that would clear up confusion. Make it so everyone can see whatever they want to see. Make it chaos.

It is quite diabolical. It allows for half truths, and mistakes, and instances of human error, both genuine and phony, to come into play. It facilitates a lot of disagreements and diversions about technical issues, and moral issues, and logic.

Does it matter if people died and were maimed, or not? How could it not matter? To our mind, it makes all the difference in the world. For one thing it's the difference between life and death -- always important. For another thing it's the difference between truth and lies -- also always important. We don't like being lied to. So it matters to us.

To anyone who thinks it doesn't matter whether people died or not, we suggest you go ahead into the next barroom and announce that you think it was all fake, and see what happens. You'll see that it matters very much to people, and that you are now a social outcast, and probably dangerous and crazy as well.

We understand the nuance that the social engineers don't personally give a shit whether people die or not, but everything they do is to manipulate the audience. It's not important what they think, because we already know what they think. It's more important to understand what they want us to think. And they understand that we are already divided, which they worked very hard at, and now they want to drive the final wedge in there and break off the dangerous piece and send us off to die like a polar bear trapped on a chunk of ice in a global warming sea of doom. And that is why, instead of simply killing people straight out, they make everything lately into an extra-complicated mindfuck, followed in a few days by a fresh one.

So is it worth reviewing the "performance" to tease apart the real from the fake? Well it certainly is not easy, and it may be a waste of time in the end, but yes of course it is worth doing. The truth is always worth pursuing.

We appreciate all the comments to this post, especially from my dear friend James, who has never failed to support me in trying to understand the events around us.


~ Peasant

[barracuda]

All I want is some truth.

Both legs blown off, survived.

Both legs blown off, survived.

Both legs blown off, back broken, survived.

Both legs and an arm blown off, survived.

Both legs and an arm blown off, survived.

Entire lower half of his body blown away, survived.

Both legs and both arms blown off, survived.

...and so on. Here's a shot of Bauman in which you can clearly see two (2) tourniquets on his left leg. FWIW.

[Elihu]

All I want is some truth.

Both legs blown off, survived.

Both legs blown off, survived.

Both legs blown off, back broken, survived.

Both legs and an arm blown off, survived.

Both legs and an arm blown off, survived.

Entire lower half of his body blown away, survived.

Both legs and both arms blown off, survived.

...and so on. Here's a shot of Bauman in which you can clearly see two (2) tourniquets on his left leg. FWIW.

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