Boston Bombing Suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev Reported Killed, Was Alive When Detained: Tamerlan’s Aunt
As an increasing number of inconsistencies and outright lies accumulate regarding the FBI’s handling of the case, protection must be provided to the suspects’ family. Members of the alternative media with the resources and the ability to provide protective watch over family members, seems a prudent measure to both protect innocent lives and to further pursue the truth.
The FBI Has Now Lied Big, TWICE
The FBI originally feigned ignorance over the identity of the two Boston bombing suspects, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, as they appealed to an unwitting public to help them “identify” and “find” the suspects.
The Tsarnaev brothers’ family, immediately after their identities were confirmed by Boston police and the FBI, claimed that the FBI had contacted the suspects years ago and had monitored their activity for years since. The mother of the suspects claimed to Russia Today that her sons were set up by the FBI. Russia Today, in an article titled, “They were set up, FBI followed them for years’- Tsarnaevs’ mother to RT,” stated of the suspects’ mother:
But her biggest suspicion surrounding the case was the constant FBI surveillance she said her family was subjected to over the years. She is surprised that having been so stringent with the entire family, the FBI had no idea the sons were supposedly planning a terrorist act.
She would say of the FBI to Russia Today:
“They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me…they were telling me that he [the older, 26-y/o Tamerlan] was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites… they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step…and now they say that this is a terrorist act! Never ever is this true, my sons are innocent!”
“I strongly believe they were just puppets and executors of something of bigger scale.”
“There certainly were mentors. I was shocked when I heard his words, his phrases, when every other word he starts sticking in words of God. I question what he’s doing for work, (and) he claimed he would just put everything in the will of God. It was a big concern to me. He called me ‘confused’ when I started explaining to him, make yourself useful to yourself and to your family and maybe you’ll have extra to share with everybody else.
“It wasn’t devotion, it was something, as it’s called, being radicalized. Not understanding what he is talking (about). He is just using words for the sake of the words and not understanding the meaning of it.’’
CBS News reports although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers’ mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today.
The FBI would then be forced to concede that indeed it had interviewed the suspects, in 2011, two years before the Boston bombings. Finally disclosed on April 19, 2013 in an official statement that can be found on FBI.gov the FBI would state:
The two individuals believed to be responsible for the Boston Marathon bombings on Monday have been positively identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, now deceased, and Dzhokar Tsarnaev, now in custody. These individuals are brothers and residents of Massachusetts. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a legal permanent resident and Dzhokar Tsarnaev is a naturalized U.S. citizen. Charges have not yet been filed against Dzhokar Tsarnaev and he is presumed innocent.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev, age 26, was previously designated as Suspect 1, wearing a black hat. Dzhokar A. Tsarnaev, age 19, was designated as Suspect 2, wearing a white hat. Both were born in Kyrgyzstan.
Once the FBI learned the identities of the two brothers today, the FBI reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011, a foreign government asked the FBI for information about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.
In response to this 2011 request, the FBI checked U.S. government databases and other information to look for such things as derogatory telephone communications, possible use of online sites associated with the promotion of radical activity, associations with other persons of interest, travel history and plans, and education history. The FBI also interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and family members. The FBI did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign, and those results were provided to the foreign government in the summer of 2011. The FBI requested but did not receive more specific or additional information from the foreign government.
However, the case was not “closed,” as the FBI claims. It is now revealed that the “foreign government” that asked the FBI for information on Tamerlan Tsarnaev was Russia, and that Russia again contacted the FBI 6 months ago after the suspect traveled to Russia’s Caucasus region and was apparently in contact with terrorists, long-revealed to be supported, funded, and coddled by the US.
Speculation is growing that one of the Boston bombers met a known Jihadist terrorist in 2011 – as it emerged the FBI failed to follow up on a Russian tip that he was seen with an Islamic militant six times.
The Daily Mail would also report that:
The FBI has confirmed that Russia alerted the agency in 2011 that Tsarnaev had ties to ‘radical Islam’ groups in his homeland. Homeland Security sources have also revealed the agency received tips in 2012 about his ties to extremists connected to a Boston mosque.
The FBI is confirmed to be serial liars engaged in a coverup, revealing information about its long-standing relationship with the Boston bombing suspects only when cornered by a mounting body of evidence. Inconceivable then, that the US government and the American public have entrusted the investigation of the Boston bombings to the FBI who is clearly obstructing justice.
Now more than ever, crowd-sourced investigation must be conducting into photographs and video that may reveal the true events that transpired before and after the Boston Marathon bombings. Journalists across the alternative media must interview and draw public attention to the suspects’ family in order to protect them and bring to light any information that may reveal the true nature of the increasingly suspicious relationship the FBI had with the suspects for years prior to the bombings.
Saving the Ship – Establishment Using “Double Agents,” “Islamophobia” to “Seal Off” Compromised Operation
Already the establishment, like a ship striking an iceberg and taking on water, is racing around to compartmentalize and seal off each agency and political faction involved to keep the rest of the establishment afloat. The FBI’s attempt to feign ignorance has failed, and it appears that at least Israeli sources are trying to prepare ahead of time for revelations that may indeed reveal the suspects were working directly for the FBI.
The conclusion reached by debkafile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian. Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.
A more likely explanation, however, is that the FBI led the suspects along in yet another manufactured terror attack that was allowed to go “live.” The FBI has an extensive history (see: NYT: FBI Hatches Terror Plots) of not only providing targets with weapons, explosives, vehicles and plans engineered from start to finish by undercover FBI agents, but has also allowed these operations to go “live,” as was seen in New York City in 1993 during the World Trade Center bombing.
FBI agents, according to the New York Times, were indeed overseeing the bombers that detonated a device killing six and wounding many more at the World Trade Center. In their article, “Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast,” NYT reported:
Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.
The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.
The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City’s tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars.
Debka is attempting to preempt what would essentially be the revealing of the US-Saudi-Israeli international false-flag/terror racket, used to perpetuate a global hegemonic war that has produced for all those involved trillions of dollars in profits and unprecedented geopolitical preeminence. Operations where this true axis of terror is currently running, such as the ongoing sectarian bloodbath in Syria, would be endangered, if not entirely foiled, should the Boston bombings be traced directly back to an FBI false-flag operation.
Failing to spin the FBI’s involvement as either an intelligence failure or explained away by “double agents,” the faux-right is preparing to pry off the the entire faux-left, using its Islamophobia-racket to play out the “Obama the Muslim” narrative (see: “”Obama the Muslim:” Ploy to Cover-up Years of US-Al Qaeda Support“). By doing so, at least half of the establishment’s “ship” will remain afloat in the wake of revelations the US killed and horribly maimed its own citizens in a false flag operation.
While America’s political establishment appears to be divided neatly into “left” and “right” camps, in reality, a singular corporate-financier oligarchy runs a singular agenda, compartmentalized for just these sort of situations. Lies regarding “weapons of mass destruction” and a horrific 10 year war that left millions dead, maimed, displaced or otherwise effected, can be jettisoned with the Bush Administration. And while the arming and funding of Al Qaeda occurred throughout the Bush Administration, it appears that the establishment is preparing to jettison US support for Al Qaeda with the Obama Administration.
It is essential to understand and identify the corporate-financier interests that rise above partisan politics and have profited from the continued “War on Terror” under both the Bush and Obama Administrations. It is then essential to understand the key to undermining and ultimately throwing off this insidious co-opt of America, its people, and its destiny, is to boycott and replace permanently with local alternatives, the corporate-financier interests behind it.
Julian the Apostate wrote:Anyway the victim understood them speaking a foreign language. What language did they speak? Chechen? If so there are only about 1.3m speakers, according to wiki. Quite a fortuitous carjacking...
I'm not understanding your thinking here...
He told the police that he couldn’t understand what they were saying...
Julian the Apostate wrote:Anyway the victim understood them speaking a foreign language. What language did they speak? Chechen? If so there are only about 1.3m speakers, according to wiki. Quite a fortuitous carjacking...
I'm not understanding your thinking here...
He told the police that he couldn’t understand what they were saying...
Suspect says they acted alone, no other terror groups on or offline. Said they got instructions off the internet. Report that he's on a video setting the bag down, making a call to activate it then walking off. His apartment was said to have contained more bombs. And that he killed his own brother with the SUV as he sped off.
The brother claims no other accomplices BUT he was just taking orders from older bro. So of course he wouldnt be privy to nuthin. And recall Tim Mcveigh til the very end claimed he worked alone other than Nichols and giving advanced info to Michael Fortier(the official story) yet, we know he was seen with a whole motley crew of characters.
Are these guys just assholes who get brainwashed, and the mind control part makes them only say they worked alone? Or are they generally unaware of the puppet strings?
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
8bitagent wrote:Suspect says they acted alone, no other terror groups on or offline. Said they got instructions off the internet. Report that he's on a video setting the bag down, making a call to activate it then walking off. His apartment was said to have contained more bombs. And that he killed his own brother with the SUV as he sped off.
8bitagent wrote:Suspect says they acted alone, no other terror groups on or offline. Said they got instructions off the internet. Report that he's on a video setting the bag down, making a call to activate it then walking off. His apartment was said to have contained more bombs. And that he killed his own brother with the SUV as he sped off.
FourthBase wrote:What else, let's see. The common refrain now is, "It was only one 19-year-old!" and "It was only 4 deaths!", and this is supposed to mean that it was obviously a staged event, because of how small the threat appears and how few were killed. (I wonder what you and your cohort would do, if met on the street by a 19-year-old with an arsenal of bombs who's aiming a rifle at you.) But, so that means if it had instead been several teams of terrorists who killed hundreds or thousands of people, then you wouldn't think it was staged? Or are your interpretations non-falsifiable? And, no matter what had happened, it was going to have been staged, in your opinion? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I kind of get the sense some of you were disappointed in the outcome, in the low death toll, in the suspect being captured alive, in the fact that the cops didn't harm one bystander. I get the sense you wish there had been more deaths, a bigger terrorist cell, all the suspects now dead and silent, injured bystanders like in the Dorner manhunt, and generally more mayhem. Stickdog has probably been eager to find pics of doors being knocked down and children terrified by menacing military types with big guns, but is coming up empty, and is disappointed. Had there been a media blackout, you same people would have been screaming bloody murder, bloody fascism. There wasn't, the events were well-covered (at least the local news here, can't speak for the cable news outlets), and yet here you are muttering unbloody murder, unbloody fascism. Heads it's fascism, tails it's fascism.
What actually happened was wtf crazy in my view. Way crazier than I imagined. I literally thought it was going to be blamed on the work of a lone white militia type with perhaps tenuous links to right wing groups. When it turned out to be two brothers, I thought they'd be found and arrested months later or that they'd be found mysteriously killed. Never imagine they'd just decide to go Bad Boys 2. I don't get why they didnt try and slip away and escape. They obviously were not suicide bombers on 4/15. But they wanted to one up the hollywood bank robbery in terms of distance and explosives.
The uncle says the older brother was radicalized by an Iman or some sort of religious leader. That's often how it works in Europe. I do find it interesting what a big spectacle all of this was made to be. As far as low death count, that's how bombings go. Most suicide attacks in Israel only kiss 2-10 people, leaving more wounded. Now had this been a Mumbai style attack with a full cell and that level of insanity, that definitely tips the scale toward wider conspiracy.
Mumbai 2008 was masterminded by a DEA asset, Pakistani ISI higher ups and Lashkar-e-Toiba heads. Least that's what all the evidence points to. Very few major terror cases I've noticed seem genuinely the work of an independent lone wolf or cell.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
barracuda wrote:The "no-victims" mentality of the Hookers, no-planers and Boston Hoaxers is like a disease spreading through discussion of these events. It needs to be dealt with before it metastasizes.
As annoying as the drone planes/no planes people were, nothing takes the cake like the "Sandy Hoaxers" and the "Boston hoaxers". They should go down to Beth Israel and have a chat with the doctors, but I guess in their dumbfuck minds "even the doctors" are in on it.
I'll say it again, most conspiratoids have zero research into even basic deep politics, and instead espouse non critical thinking over parroted talking points the same way the "fake birth certificate/secret commie" right wingers take their red herring talking points. The "Jew behind every event" and "hoaxer" crowds are the bottom of the barrel in my opinion.
Strangely, I would have to say Chris Floyd has one of the best "unanswered questions" articles on Boston that I've seen.
FourthBase wrote:Fair enough, Bruce. I knew I was at least brushing up against a line. Sorry.
The board has rules against, say, Holocaust denial...right? Are there any rules against, say, the outright denial of the reality of other events? What about the sneaky hedged variety of Holocaust denial? What about the equivalent for other events?
Im still scratching my head where the "hoax/actor" shit came from? Yeah I remember elements of that with 9/11(re: no planers), but it really seemed to mushroom with Sandy Hook.
The UK media shows HD grotesque pictures of the immediate aftermath where the bombs went off and people can still look at them and say "oh yeah thats fake". To them I respond "maybe everything is fake. Maybe were all in a hyper reality holographic matrix. Forget hologram planes. Maybe the twin towers were fake too and noone died on 9/11 period?"
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
One thing I would like to point out here, for you to ponder. Let's say a mass movement for independent, uncompromised inquiry emerges here, spreads elsewhere, results ultimately in the arrests of a whole assortment of shady, evil bastards. From supremacist militias, to terrorist cells, to corporate immiserators, to corrupt politicians, etc. Who do you think will be applying the handcuffs? Not you, or me, internet denizen. It would be cops. Who would be assaulting the compounds and apartments of seriously-deranged terroristic death cults? Not just cops, Officer Friendlys. It would be paramilitary SWAT teams. If that were to occur, after the guilty sons of bitches were locked into paddywagons and whatnot, once the stream of such cops and agents -- the good ones -- started to roll back toward headquarters to file their after-action reports...Do you clap? If so, how hard? Do you sing the national anthem? How loud? Or, do you sulk, because...because your worst fears didn't come true? Because a good outcome isn't as viscerally entertaining, is too schmaltzy? Because, well, what's the next step? What's the twentieth next step? If you were handed a gift horse, a real one, flawed but real, living, breathing...would you refuse to believe it? Would you kill it in order to cut it open just in case there were Greeks hiding in its intestines? I would sure hope not, for your sake. But also, for our sake, right now: Please do not prematurely shoot to death what might just be a gift horse. Thank you.
Yes, true. And I have no heard reports of "troops kicking down doors". However to me the extent of the show of force was way the hell over the top in my view, like a weird sort of pageant. As commanders said in March of 2003, "Iraq will give these guys a chance to play with some new toys".
But we do have to go back to Katrina to see where this started. Blackwater troops running around. Scores of black people shot in the back by cops just trying to flee. Authorities preventing people from crossing the bridge. Power lines being axed, rescue craft being turned away. There's probably a zillion more incidents of Katrina related abuses of power. There's definitely a strong potential for "The Siege" like tactics.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
Read a first hand witness account with photos of the standoff/confrontation of police and the brothers.
from the web page:
On Thursday night [Friday morning] at 12:45am EST. I was in my living room working on my computer when I heard multiple “pops” coming from outside. At that point, I had no idea that I was about to become an eye witness to the biggest news story in the country.
According to The New York Times, which cited a senior U.S. government official, the suspects told the unidentified owner of the Mercedes-Benz sport utility vehicle that they planned to head to New York.
About 40 minutes after they allegedly killed a Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev crossed the Charles River into Boston and stole the SUV at gunpoint and briefly held the unidentified driver hostage. The alleged carjacking occurred in Boston’s Brighton section, the Wall Street Journal reports.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, was killed during a shootout with police in Watertown early Friday. Dzhokhar Tsarneav, 19, was arrested later than night following a 20-hour manhunt. The motive for the bombings remains unclear.
