Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Simulist » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:34 pm

DrEvil wrote:@Simulist: Thanks, and don't worry. Never said I would stop typing :) (Sorry Mac)

stickdog99 wrote:No, it doesn't have to be a conspiracy of more than two individuals. But what evidence has been presented to you that has convinced you of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's guilt?


This is actually a great example of what I meant. In my previous post (which I wrote hours ago) I clearly said that I have no firm opinion on this case either way. I even used italics on "I just don't know". Damn, I even said "This stinks to high heaven".

So it took only a few hours for me to go from "not knowing" to me being "convinced" that Dzokhar is guilty.
It's this kind of sloppy "logic" and applying motives and opinions where there are none that pisses me off.

Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups.

Yes, it is. And good for you for knowing that, and boldly pointing it out.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:39 pm

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:57 pm

Loose Ends Tied to House of Saud & Halliburton

for those who prefer their conspiracies thick
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:09 pm

stickdog99 wrote:Loose Ends Tied to House of Saud & Halliburton

for those who prefer their conspiracies thick


This shit is starting to get real. This shit is gaining traction.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:51 pm

Anyone see the pic in Times Square of the younger brother?
The news described his friends as Russian. They look Asian.
What is that kind of Central Asian who looks more Eastern?
Wee-gurs? I'm useless with links and googling right now.
Somebody find the Times Square pic, and name that Asian.
(What I wonder: Is one of them Danny Boy? Longshot, but...)

BTW, this thread has been awesome lately.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:57 pm

Gazillions of eastern Russians have Asian or 'Mongoloid' features. (as in Mongolia) My ex had an aunt from Outer Mongolia, though she appeared more Caucasian than Asian.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:35 pm

Iamwhomiam wrote:Gazillions of eastern Russians have Asian or 'Mongoloid' features. (as in Mongolia) My ex had an aunt from Outer Mongolia, though she appeared more Caucasian than Asian.


Right. Great. Now...

What does Danny Boy look like?
Did our buddy Doctor Fox and his friends need a few days to construct a new identity?
Did they turn a Russian dude Chinese?

"Hey, what happened to [insert Russian name]?"
"Oh, he had to enter Witness Protection after the carjacking thing."

I'm entertaining weirder possibilities as this thread goes on, I guess.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:51 pm

Do we even know there is a "Danny"?
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:02 pm

Iamwhomiam wrote:Do we even know there is a "Danny"?


I might just be a brain in a vat, imagining myself replying, imagining this whole world.

But you're right, until we see the guy...well, even then...
I don't know, all we can do is impeach the narrative we're given. Right?
That means the official narrative, too, taking the given "facts" at face value.
Not just doubting the very existence of certain entire people, events.

Even if there is no Danny at all, that narrative can be impeached.
Might even just make it easier to.

Could've been a white guy, who was not carjacked but dropped off...
Then he play-acts to the gas station clerk...who might also be in on it...

It's possible to entertain both the official narrative and the total-cynicism perspective.
Everything in between. Not just possible. Maybe necessary. Dichotomies are poison.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Canadian_watcher » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:08 pm

FourthBase wrote:
It's possible to entertain both the official narrative and the total-cynicism perspective.
Everything in between. Not just possible. Maybe necessary. Dichotomies are poison.


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thank you for saying so. I really hope you mean it, because like you have said, it's important. I doubt we'll solve anything, ever.. but if we cannot get over the sensitivites around whose POVs and introduced factoid is dope and whose is just dopey well for sure there will be no answers.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:20 pm

I kinda agree, C_w. But I think it's educational to point out why something is dopey, perhaps though, without the energetic bluster some seem to relish.

Self restraint from assassinating another's character while gagging on spoons just because one disagrees their comment should limit the outrageous behavior. But twits always go for the insults. and we all know there are plenty of those out there.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Canadian_watcher » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:22 pm

I could not agree more. :)
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby compared2what? » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:57 pm

stickdog99 wrote:Introducing Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Lawyer

As a result, Tsarnaev, 19, who is facing the possibility of the death penalty for his alleged role in last week's terror attack, will be represented by one of the most experienced and well respected public defenders in the country, Miriam Conrad.

Conrad heads the Federal Public Defender Office in Boston and her resume includes defending "shoe bomber" Richard Reid in 2001 for trying to blow up a Paris to Miami jetliner.

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Conrad, 56, has led the Federal Public Defender's Office since 2005. A graduate of Harvard Law School, she has defended a number of high profile terrorism cases.

In addition to defending Reid, Conrad represented represented Rezwan Ferdaus, a U.S. citizen of Bangladeshi ancestry who was sentenced to 17 years after he was found guilty of plotting an attack on the Capitol Building and the Pentagon.


*****

It's amazing how this intrepid defense attorney got Richard Reid's sentence reduced to life without possibility of parole for allegedly incompetently attempting to explode his shoe.


It is. But not because she dropped the ball.

Reid was immediately arrested at Logan International Airport after the incident. Two days later, he was charged before a federal court in Boston with "interfering with the performance of duties of flight crew members by assault or intimidation", a crime which carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. (Additional charges were added when he was formally indicted by a grand jury.) The judge ordered Reid held in jail without bail, pending trial due to the gravity of the crimes and the perceived high risk that he would try to flee. At that time, forensic results indicated Reid's shoes contained 10 ounces (283g) of C-4 plastic explosives, enough to blow a hole in the plane and cause it to crash.

During a preliminary hearing on 28 December, an FBI agent testified that forensic analysis had identified the chemicals as PETN, the primary explosive, and TATP (triacetone triperoxide), a chemical needed to detonate the bomb.[6] The prosecutor obtained a grand jury indictment and on 16 January 2002, Reid was charged with eight criminal counts related to terrorism, namely:

attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction,
attempted homicide,
placing an explosive device on an aircraft,
attempted murder,
interference with flight crew members and attendants,
attempted destruction of an aircraft,
using a destructive device during and in relation to a crime of violence, and
attempted wrecking of a mass transportation vehicle.

Reid pleaded guilty to all eight counts on 4 October 2002. On 31 January 2003, he was sentenced by Judge William Young to life in prison with no possibility of parole (LWOP) with three life sentences to be served consecutively. Eight fines of $250,000 each (totaling $2 million) were also imposed.

During the sentencing hearing, Reid said he was an enemy of the United States and in league with Al-Qaeda.[20] When Reid said he was a soldier of God under the command of Osama bin Laden, Judge Young responded:

"You are not an enemy combatant, you are a terrorist" ... "You are not a soldier in any army, you are a terrorist. To call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. (points to U.S. flag) You see that flag, Mr. Reid? That is the flag of the United States of America. That flag will be here long after you are forgotten."

Reid reportedly demonstrated a lack of remorse and a combative nature during the hearing, and said that "the flag will come down on the day of judgment."


After they piled on the post-grand-jury charges, that was what would ordinarily be a guaranteed death sentence at any time, and by a factor of infinity in 2002 - 2003.

And that's what she'll be looking at with Tsarnaev, except by a factor of infinity again, due to victims, etc.

I hope she can do better than "not death." Very much. But realistically speaking, it's the right thing for him to go with someone who knows how to get that done. Because they will be out for blood. And he's just a kid..
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Nordic » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:22 pm

Okay, I stepped away from this thread, and the entire site, for a while, so this may have already been posted. If so, forgive me.

http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/26/bo ... -official/

Boston bombers’ uncle married daughter of top CIA official

The uncle of the two suspected Boston bombers in last week’s attack, Ruslan Tsarni, was married to the daughter of former top CIA official Graham Fuller

The discovery that Uncle Ruslan Tsarni had spy connections that go far deeper than had been previously known is ironic, especially since the mainstrean media's focus yesterday was on a feverish search to find who might have recruited the Tsarnaev brothers.

The chief suspect was a red-haired Armenian exorcist. They were fingering a suspect who may not, in fact, even exist.

It was like blaming one-armed hippies on acid for killing your wife.




Ruslan Tsarni married the daughter of former top CIA Graham Fuller, who spent 20 years as operations officer in Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Hong Kong. In 1982 Fuller was appointed the National Intelligence Officer for Near East and South Asia at the CIA, and in 1986, under Ronald Reagan, he became the Vice-Chairman of the National Intelligence Council, with overall responsibility for national level strategic forecasting.



At the time of their marriage, Ruslan Tsarni was known as Ruslan Tsarnaev, the same last name as his nephews Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the alleged bombers.

It is unknown when he changed his last name to Tsarni.

What is known is that sometime in the early 1990’s, while she was a graduate student in North Carolina, and he was in law school at Duke, Ruslan Tsarnaev met and married Samantha Ankara Fuller, the daughter of Graham and Prudence Fuller of Rockville Maryland. Her middle name suggests a reference to one of her father’s CIA postings.

The couple divorced sometime before 2004.

Today Ms. Fuller lives abroad, and is a director of several companies pursuing strategies to increase energy production from clean-burning and renewable resources.

On a more ominous note, Graham Fuller was listed as one of the American Deep State rogues on Sibel Edmonds' State Secrets Privilege Gallery,. Edmonds explained it featured subjects of FBI investigations she became aware of during her time as an FBI translator.

Criminal activities were being protected by claims of State Secrets, she asserted. After Attorney General John Ashcroft went all the way to the Supreme Court to muzzle her under a little-used doctrine of State Secrets, she put up twenty-one photos, with no names.

One of them was Graham Fuller.

"Congress of Chechen International" c/o Graham Fuller
The Chechen uncle of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects, paired up with a top CIA official, who once served as CIA Station Chief in Kabul, may sound like a pitch for a bad movie:

"Get Smart Meets the Odd Couple."

But they may have been in business together.

In 1995, Tsarnaev incorporated the Congress of Chechen International Organizations in Maryland, using as the address listed on incorporation documents 11114 Whisperwood Ln, in Rockville Maryland, the home address of his then-father-in-law.

It is just eight miles up the Washington National Pike from the Montgomery Village home where “Uncle Ruslan” met—and apparently wowed, the press after the attack in Boston.

The Washington Post yesterday called him a "media maven," while nationally syndicated Washington Post columnist Ester Cepeda , in a piece with the headline “The Wise Words of Uncle Ruslan” opined that he was her choice for "an award for bravery in the face of adversity.”

Success through indirection, mis-direction, redirection, and protection
Uncle Ruslan’s spy connections go far deeper than was already known, which was that he spent two years working in Kazakhstan for USAID.

But the mainstream media was lookng the other way.

Under the headline “Did 'Misha' influence Tsarnaevs? In Watertown, doubts,” USA Today reported: “Misha. A new name has emerged in the Boston Marathon bombing case—one familiar to the family of the two young men accused of the atrocity and apparently of interest to the Russian and American security services as well.”

Ruslan Tsarni was the first to bring up the supposed man's supposed name. Or rather, he brought up a first name: Misha. But it was enough. We were off to the races…

Attention all cars: Be on lookout for chubby Armenian exorcist
Tsarni described Misha to CNN as being "chubby, a big guy, big mouth presenting himself with some kind of abilities as exorcist . . . having some part-time job in one of the stores, not married. All of the qualifications of a loser, just another big mouth.”

According to Uncle Ruslan, Misha was the man who over a considerable period of time had radicalized Tamerlan.

It seemed strange, then, that in contrast to his “you are there” verbal picture of the man, even with all his supposed concerns, and given his high level of education and abundant resources (Big Sky Energy was paying him in excess of $200,00 a year, according to documents filed with the SEC) Ruslan had somehow never found out just who the bad guy was.

He never got a name, something that in spook-dom is considered something of a faux pas. Then again, no one else had either.

Worse, Tsarni's vivid description seemed to be taken from personal observation, from, in other words…real life. But that isn’t possible. Tsarni had stated he hadn’t been physically in the presence of his Boston relatives since December 2005. And Misha, if he existed, didn’t show up on the scene until 2008 at the earliest.

Still, just a few days later, the entire family began chiming in. Misha anecdotes were flying fast & furious, and the nation’s scribblers were busy uncritically scribbling down their every word.

Maybe their Twitter account got hacked again?
No performance was nearly as masterful, however, as that of the Associated Press.

“Bomb suspect influenced by mysterious radical,” reported the Associated Press.

"Tamerlan's relationship with Misha could be a clue in understanding the motives behind his religious transformation and, ultimately, the attack itself," reported the Associate Press. Only to take it all back in the very next line.

"Two U.S. officials say he had no tie to terrorist groups."

The AP’s “story” about the mysterious “Misha” was 1145 words, long enough for an editor to squeeze in a caveat.

“It was not immediately clear whether the FBI has spoken to Misha or was attempting to,” the national wire service reported. “Efforts over several days by The Associated Press to identify and interview Misha have been unsuccessful.”

The big difference: when you do it, its conspiracy theory. When we do it, its informed speculation.
In any other context, this might be seen as the rankest kind of “conspiracy theory.” But, apparently, when the Associated Press does it, its news.

Then Uncle Ruslan made a clear mis-step.

“An uncle of the alleged bombers claims that Misha, an Armenian convert to Islam, had a huge influence on the elder brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Describing him as an "Armenia exorcist, Tsarni said, “Somehow he just took his brain.”

Armenians are a deeply-rooted Christian community, which is proud of the fact that their country was the first in the world to adopt Christianity as state religion in 301 AD.

Moreover this is the week every year when they remember the Armenian Holocaust, when as many as 1,000,000 Armenians were slaughtered by Turkish Muslims.

In the large and close-knit Boston Armenian community, a red-bearded Armenian named Misha becoming a radicalized Muslim would stand out.

"I've never heard of him, nor has anyone that I know," Hilda Avedissian, executive director at the Armenian Cultural & Educational Centre.

So what if the guy was involved with biggest bank fraud in history?
"For an Armenian to convert to Islam is like finding a unicorn in a field," Nerses Zurabyan, 32, an information technology director who lives in nearby Cambridge told USA Today.

The report reveals that the bomber’s Uncle, made famous for his outspoken condemnation of his nephew’s which aired repeatedly on international news networks, is a well-connected oil executive who at one point worked for a Halliburton shell company used as a front to obtain oil contracts from the Kazakh State.

Ruslon Tsarni was implicated in an investigation involving the laundering and theft of $6 billion. But everybody loves Uncle Ruslon. At least most of America’s mainstream media does.

There has, to date, been no speculation at all about whether an uncle of the men suspected of the bombing who had been involved in international intrigue at the hightest levels, and who married the daughter of a top CIA official, might warrant a closer look.

It’s enough, isn’t it, to turn even reasonably rational adults into—gasp!—conspiracy theorists.

“News,” someone once wrote, “is selection. And selection is always based on an ideology and agenda, which is something to remember next time you watch, listen or read the ‘news.’”

Too true.

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby compared2what? » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:24 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:What a nauseating farrago it all is. Shame on anyone who is "agnostic" [(©Simulist] about the burden of proof and the presumption of innocence, and double shame on anyone who credits the unverifiable word of murderous serial liars merely because they are powerful. No verifiable evidence -- none whatsoever -- has yet been provided that in way implicates either of those brothers in the heinous crime they are accused of perpetrating.


That's normal when the suspect's only just been arrested. The evidence and challenges to it come during the trial, which is when they have to prove his guilt in a public courtroom. The standard for what they've done so far is probable cause.

The presumption of innocence is a right to which the defendant is entitled by the state anyway. It's not limitless and applicable to everyone in the whole wide world. So Simulist not only has no cause for shame, but is fully entitled to his opinion. Because freedom of expression and thought is also a right.

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