Lindorff: Why such secrecy about Craft Int. in Boston?

[82_28]

Their site is scary (and should not be linked to in the same way we don't even write *torm*ront around here). They definitely fetishize neo-nazi imagery and appeal. Anything I look at about them and their "designs", purpose and shiftiness reminds me of the old days when skinheads were rampant in Denver.

Fonts used in official portrayal of what they are: Check
Violence masquerading as security: Check
Appeal to simple/memorable nazi logos: Check
Appeal to war is peace: Check
Coming onto "the scene" in a sense of "I've never heard of these motherfuckers before": Check
Overpoweringly unknowable: Check

Black shirts wore khakis too.

The symbolism has all the hallmarks of something that is either neo-nazi or wants to be the next generation of what we today think of when it comes to what neo-nazi was. The fear of this kind of shit spans generations, which is odd. Only nazi shit (I suppose as a westerner) strikes fear into anyone. Think of rolling down the street and seeing one out in the wild. Think some dude wearing a shirt with an SS on it. Would you tell him off? Would you let it slide? Now take these skull emblems. What would you say to them if you saw them at the Boston Marathon?

Exactly. It is a symbol that has absolutely no meaning other than fear for a liberal or someone who cannot be bribed away by promises of "cathartic death of another". It has the function of stifling something other than fascism and police-statism. And this test run has shown that it is indisputably possible to accomplish with very little effort in the way of control -- which we know was bullshit because it was all funded by turncoat corporate profiteers in the first place in order to make nazis possible. This shit is just "skynet" meets nazis.

[FourthBase]

@thecraft?

they don't need to see our site in their referrer logs

if anyone wants to link to sites like that, use:
http://anonym.to/en.html
to generate a link

Uhhhhh....shit, pretty sure I posted a link to their merchandise page.

Can an admin do whatever and anonymize that?

Or, better yet, perhaps we should realize that: Who cares. Whatever.
All someone there needs is a Google Alert. Tada, we're discovered.
What are they going to do? Kill us all? Kill any of us? Hack us?
As I pointed out in the Marshall thread: That'd only confirm their guilt.

Too much fear.

[justdrew]

[Karmamatterz]

DrVolin wrote:
@thecraft?

they don't need to see our site in their referrer logs

if anyone wants to link to sites like that, use:
http://anonym.to/en.html
to generate a link

JD, good suggestion....but RI is indexed quite openly by Google and other search engines. I would say they probably are already aware of these postings, lots of easy ways to learn about yourself if you're a image conscious company. Based on their desire for privacy they certainly seem to be.

Would be good to know if the Boston Athletic Assoc is a private org or a non-profit tax exempt. If they are non-profit then their books will be more open to scrutiny and one may be able to find out what they spend their money on.

The City of Boston has a budget as well. there might be info in their expenses for any expenditures for outside security. Beyond those two it might be more difficult to get any financial records for expenditures. Wouldn't hurt to try an FOIA, might take a while to hear back from DHS or FBI on that.

As described in the article, Kraft Marshmallows & Miracle Whip seem to be hiding their secret ingredients pretty well. Likely Kraft has lots of non-disclosure agreements with anybody they contract with to manufacture their products and those agencies and firms simply can't talk.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

It is important to right now contemplate multiple possibilities. The least amount of evidence says they're all Craft dudes. But they might be. The most says they're a MA Guard unit, on CST duty, ready to respond to a WMD attack. But that there's definitely (now it's definite, definitely not a Punisher hat) a guy with a Craft hat. And they were definitely RIGHT THERE. And by identifying that runner, we get a general timestamp. And what the fuck were they drilling for before...tabletop what? What does that entail? Sounds interesting. What did they predict? Something that warranted a massive Guard presence? Craft presence? Yes, way way way back in the Boston thread, I think, I had asked the same kind of questions. If Craft: Who hired them? State? Feds? City? BAA? Corporation X? Other? No one? If they're Craft, why the Guard stories? If they're Guard, why the Craft garb?

FourthBase, with two simple words, you've given me my mantra for the past 11 days: keep digging! What hasn't been resolved in my mind, this is kind of a jump ball question for anyone: how many drills were taking place and who was the central coordinator? I went over some of these points in my recent blog post: There was a report of a drill being conducted by the Boston Bomb Squad that day, based on a tweet from the Boston Globe. There were bomb-sniffing dogs at both the start and finish lines of the marathon, profiled recently on 60 Minutes for their skills. There were law enforcement spotters on the roofs observed as well. Then there's the story that the National Guard was there as part of Civil Support Team in a WMD exercise! Were they part of the Boston Bomb Squad drill or operating separately? If the National Guard was part of it, were they in charge of all the exercises happening at the Boston Marathon? Does that story really account for all the Craft hats?

One more question: are these drills just about preparing to help victims in the aftermath, or could part of the purpose of the drill be, I don't know, catching the perpetrators in the act or trying to escape the scene of the crime?! Could that possibly be the reason for the rooftop spotters? And the bomb-sniffing dogs? And the security guys either employed by or having the hots for Craft Security? Sorry, but maybe if there were multiple wargames (cough) drills taking place simultaneously, that may have created the confusion that allowed the crime to happen.

[seemslikeadream]

It is important to right now contemplate multiple possibilities. The least amount of evidence says they're all Craft dudes. But they might be. The most says they're a MA Guard unit, on CST duty, ready to respond to a WMD attack. But that there's definitely (now it's definite, definitely not a Punisher hat) a guy with a Craft hat. And they were definitely RIGHT THERE. And by identifying that runner, we get a general timestamp. And what the fuck were they drilling for before...tabletop what? What does that entail? Sounds interesting. What did they predict? Something that warranted a massive Guard presence? Craft presence? Yes, way way way back in the Boston thread, I think, I had asked the same kind of questions. If Craft: Who hired them? State? Feds? City? BAA? Corporation X? Other? No one? If they're Craft, why the Guard stories? If they're Guard, why the Craft garb?

FourthBase, with two simple words, you've given me my mantra for the past 11 days: keep digging! What hasn't been resolved in my mind, this is kind of a jump ball question for anyone: how many drills were taking place and who was the central coordinator? I went over some of these points in my recent blog post: There was a report of a drill being conducted by the Boston Bomb Squad that day, based on a tweet from the Boston Globe. There were bomb-sniffing dogs at both the start and finish lines of the marathon, profiled recently on 60 Minutes for their skills. There were law enforcement spotters on the roofs observed as well. Then there's the story that the National Guard was there as part of Civil Support Team in a WMD exercise! Were they part of the Boston Bomb Squad drill or operating separately? If the National Guard was part of it, were they in charge of all the exercises happening at the Boston Marathon? Does that story really account for all the Craft hats?

One more question: are these drills just about preparing to help victims in the aftermath, or could part of the purpose of the drill be, I don't know, catching the perpetrators in the act or trying to escape the scene of the crime?! Could that possibly be the reason for the rooftop spotters? And the bomb-sniffing dogs? And the security guys either employed by or having the hots for Craft Security? Sorry, but maybe if there were multiple wargames (cough) drills taking place simultaneously, that may have created the confusion that allowed the crime to happen.

how'd ya like this little bit of synchronicity robert

“We shall pick up an existence by its frogs.” ― Charles Fort, Lo!

Just as a word game, you could say that there is a simultaneity of the Frog's place (Frogg Lane) with Boyls-ton, the boiling of the (human) town. The Frog is slowly boiled, as is the (human) town.

The finish line is exactly on 666 Boylston Street

Also, for whatever it's worth, the Green Dragon Tavern was where the Boston Tea Party was planned. Not that I think this implicates the present-day Tea Partiers, who for the most part seem to have little grasp of their own supposed history.

The Freemasons used the first floor for their meeting rooms. The basement tavern was used by several secret groups and became known by historians as the "Headquarters of the Revolution". The Sons of Liberty, Boston Committee of Correspondence and the Boston Caucus each met there. The Boston Tea Party was planned there and Paul Revere was sent from there to Lexington on his famous ride.


This one section of Boston has some of the most important old Masonic landmarks and sites of anyplace in America. This area housed many taverns which served as Masonic Meeting Houses, including the Greyhound Tavern (Washington & Warren Sts), British Coffee House (King St, now State St), George, later called King's Arm Tavern (Boston Neck), White Horse Tavern (Frog Lane, now Boylston St), and the two most famous Masonic taverns, the Green-Dragon Tavern (Hanover & Union Sts) and Brunch-of-Grapes Tavern (King St, now State St).

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2013/04/boylston.html

[stillrobertpaulsen]

how'd ya like this little bit of synchronicity robert

“We shall pick up an existence by its frogs.” ― Charles Fort, Lo!

Just as a word game, you could say that there is a simultaneity of the Frog's place (Frogg Lane) with Boyls-ton, the boiling of the (human) town. The Frog is slowly boiled, as is the (human) town.

The finish line is exactly on 666 Boylston Street

Also, for whatever it's worth, the Green Dragon Tavern was where the Boston Tea Party was planned. Not that I think this implicates the present-day Tea Partiers, who for the most part seem to have little grasp of their own supposed history.

The Freemasons used the first floor for their meeting rooms. The basement tavern was used by several secret groups and became known by historians as the "Headquarters of the Revolution". The Sons of Liberty, Boston Committee of Correspondence and the Boston Caucus each met there. The Boston Tea Party was planned there and Paul Revere was sent from there to Lexington on his famous ride.


This one section of Boston has some of the most important old Masonic landmarks and sites of anyplace in America. This area housed many taverns which served as Masonic Meeting Houses, including the Greyhound Tavern (Washington & Warren Sts), British Coffee House (King St, now State St), George, later called King's Arm Tavern (Boston Neck), White Horse Tavern (Frog Lane, now Boylston St), and the two most famous Masonic taverns, the Green-Dragon Tavern (Hanover & Union Sts) and Brunch-of-Grapes Tavern (King St, now State St).

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2013/04/boylston.html

Yeah, that sends a shiver down my spine. What some perceive as an accident could very well be design.

Walpurgisnacht is coming. Keep your eyes and ears open.

[jlaw172364]

@Justdrew

I wondered the same thing that the makers of that Nazi-skull video did. Nazi symbols always looked like something that came out of a bad science fiction movie.

Another explanation for Lindorf's issue:

1. Bureaucratic culture of ass-covering secrecy: nobody will tell an outsider anything, no matter how seemingly innocuous.

2. Additionally, announcing that you are an "investigative journalist" on the phone to a bureaucracy does not sound like a good investigative journalism tactic to me. It's practically asking to get stone-walled. It would be like the police showing up in uniform at the frat house, and asking the frat-bouncer at the door if there is any drinking going on inside, as opposed to infilitrating it in plain-clothes. Making a bunch of phone-calls is not investigative journalism, it is the pretense of such. Real investigators get off their asses and talk to people in person, often-times off the record, unofficially. They dig through dumpsters. But that would require time, effort, and maybe even a little money.

[FourthBase]

Yeah, that sends a shiver down my spine. What some perceive as an accident could very well be design.

Walpurgisnacht is coming. Keep your eyes and ears open.

Is this missing green font?

Julian, Loren Coleman is loosely tying it to you kids and significance to the streets, city and history with that old Masonic twist. Any thoughts on this?

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2013/04/boylston.html

I couldn't discern a single fucking point in that article.
Is that what that blog usually offers? Jack shit?

So the fuck what if you couldn't get it. I couldn't either and that's why I asked because what isn't to be gotten is sometimes something to get. Whatever, man. It's a fucking website and dude that many reputable people link to all across our sliver of the web. To name one, is Boingboing. Here at home elfismiles frequently links to him as well. He does a lot of what I do, namely making connections where there are none -- yet something to think about.

Dude. There was nothing to get. I'm all about tossing shit at the wall. ("Some things can't be found unless you're strange enough to think of looking for them." - Me) This guy just farted on the wall. The blog post was completely insubstantial. There were no useful connections even intimated. Oh, there were Freemasons who used to meet in that broad vicinity hundreds of years ago? Yeah, no shit. They're everywhere, especially old cities. So? This is coming from someone with an avowed hostility toward and suspicion of Freemasonry. There was nothing there to think about. I would be very interested in noting substantial connections and speculative intimations, as long as they're based on something. The last several maps he posted were utterly useless. So were the first few images. The old-timey maps were from the late 18th century. The one with the Masonic Temple did not note that the building is located, let's see, six long blocks away from the first explosion. It features the Boston Public Library at the time basically kiddie corner to the Temple, but fails to note that the library now exists five long blocks away. It almost seems like deliberate deception, in order to suggest the Temple is closer to the scene than it actually is. Meanwhile, above, I noted that the Grandmaster Director of the Massachusetts Lodge, which is maybe the most powerful lodge in the country (Julian can correct me if I'm wrong, and I'll be free to not trust Julian's assertions), normally works for Ropes & Gray at the top floor of the city's tallest skyscraper only about a block from the second explosion, with probably a pristine view of both explosions (which were both on the opposite, visible-to-the-Pru's-top side of Boylston) depending on which side of the top floor you're standing, if he was there yesterday, given that yesterday was a state holiday. Now that is an intimation. That is a little shit thrown at the wall with at least a minimum of substance related to something within the last 200 years. Coleman offered nothing but gas.

It's a topic/topics the dude covers and thinks about. And as of yet, I have never seen any axe to grind on his part and also his shit isn't "jack shit", it's what he does. You are free to your opinions. I am not going to defend his speculative nature for anyone. I have my own nature to deal with. But dude's just a dude that freeforms ideas and little items of note with a view to nomenclature and history.

Based on that blog entry, it's "items of little note", more like.
That thing was pure nothing. I'll assume he usually has better shit to throw.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Yeah, that sends a shiver down my spine. What some perceive as an accident could very well be design.

Walpurgisnacht is coming. Keep your eyes and ears open.

Is this missing green font?

HA! No, I usually reserve the green font for quoting Sibel Edmonds directly. But it wasn't the synchronicity of green boiling frogs that sent a shiver down my spine. It was the 666 at the finish line. Sure, it could just be "one of those things" that seems totally inconsequential. But after reading all three parts of Peter Levenda's Sinister Forces trilogy, I always make sure to take note of synchro weirdness.

On the thread subject, I still haven't heard back from my Guard friend, who I'm hoping might clear up some questions regarding CST duty and whether Craft might supplement an operation like that and what the chain of command in such a drill (drills?) might be like.

[FourthBase]

Yeah, that sends a shiver down my spine. What some perceive as an accident could very well be design.

Walpurgisnacht is coming. Keep your eyes and ears open.

Is this missing green font?

HA! No, I usually reserve the green font for quoting Sibel Edmonds directly. But it wasn't the synchronicity of green boiling frogs that sent a shiver down my spine. It was the 666 at the finish line. Sure, it could just be "one of those things" that seems totally inconsequential. But after reading all three parts of Peter Levenda's Sinister Forces trilogy, I always make sure to take note of synchro weirdness.

On the thread subject, I still haven't heard back from my Guard friend, who I'm hoping might clear up some questions regarding CST duty and whether Craft might supplement an operation like that and what the chain of command in such a drill (drills?) might be like.

No word from my buddy, too. But my message was more of a helpful potential tip than an inquiry. I don't expect people who've sworn an oath like his -- the military kind, as opposed to the fraternity kind -- to engage me in a back-and-forth on matters like this. But I felt a duty as a citizen to send him the basic gist and the photos and those links about the Guard/Craft dudes, just in case they were criminals or criminally negligent.

As for 666 Boylston, ehhhhhh, it's slightly brow-raising, I guess.
If it had been 555 or 333, would there still be a chill?
666 is not exactly the finish line, I don't think.
But if the first blast had been exactly at 666, still chills?
What if neither the finish line nor either blast were at 666, but thereabouts...?
It's a long street. Long streets have addresses in the high hundreds or more.
Somewhere on every street that long, is a 666, near which some stuff has probably happened.
Could it be something? Meh. Maybe. I doubt it, though. Just my opinion. Could change.

Don't get me wrong, I want to know every goddamned thing about every business on that block.
Redtree Productions, LensCrafters, the dental office, the church, all of 'em.

[Julian the Apostate]

The Craft angle is interesting. Been following it for a few days now, however I did not realize it is Chris Kyle's company. Weird.

My one question is didn't Joker admit to planning and carrying out the attack? Does anyone have anything substantial showing that not to be the case? If so, how is that explained re the whole "Craft did it" theory? Just wondering because I don't see it. If the brothers were framed, so that they were there when bombs were planted by others only to have it pinned on them, wouldn't they have gone through greater lengths to make sure neither of them could talk, instead of letting them go free for a few days and then only killing one of them? As such, he admitted it, which means:

1)He's lying knowingly (not likely IMB)
2)He's lying unknowingly (why?)
3)He's telling the truth

I do find the backpack angle to be intriguing and disturbing, and the questions about Craft in general to be healthy and well-founded, but I have yet to hear a scenario that explains Craft planting the bombs as some sort of a false-flag, Gladio type event and then Joker admitting to doing it.

[FourthBase]

The Craft angle is interesting. Been following it for a few days now, however I did not realize it is Chris Kyle's company. Weird.

Indeed. And shall his demise be revisited? Worth it, now?

My one question is didn't Joker admit to planning and carrying out the attack? Does anyone have anything substantial showing that not to be the case?

The only substance for that confession so far is...
The word of the FBI agents who took his "statement", whatever that was.
I tend to think suspicion of the FBI in this matter is equally substantial, until further notice.

If so, how is that explained re the whole "Craft did it" theory? Just wondering because I don't see it.

Well, "Craft did it" is a crude caricature, only bought with certainty right now by the Jones crowd.
See my posts above for a more tentative, reasonable set of scenarios and...questions.

If the brothers were framed, so that they were there when bombs were planted by others only to have it pinned on them, wouldn't they have gone through greater lengths to make sure neither of them could talk, instead of letting them go free for a few days and then only killing one of them?

Right, how could they let either live to speak?
He'd be Oswalded, right? Of course?
Hence: @ police

As such, he admitted it, which means:

1)He's lying knowingly (not likely IMB)
2)He's lying unknowingly (why?)
3)He's telling the truth

Or, he didn't really admit it?

4) He hasn't said a word, and they invented a confession from thin air
5) He was coerced into admitting whatever was desired?
6-through-109) Who knows. Not any of us. Yet.

I do find the backpack angle to be intriguing and disturbing, and the questions about Craft in general to be healthy and well-founded, but I have yet to hear a scenario that explains Craft planting the bombs as some sort of a false-flag, Gladio type event and then Joker admitting to doing it.

Yeah, the backpack, the white square! WTF!?
But, also, it might not be Craft. Rather, "just" the National Guard unit from MA.
Not sure a non-Craft is necessarily innocent, though. Not sure at all.

[justdrew]

The Craft angle is interesting. Been following it for a few days now, however I did not realize it is Chris Kyle's company. Weird.

My one question is didn't Joker admit to planning and carrying out the attack? Does anyone have anything substantial showing that not to be the case? If so, how is that explained re the whole "Craft did it" theory? Just wondering because I don't see it. If the brothers were framed, so that they were there when bombs were planted by others only to have it pinned on them, wouldn't they have gone through greater lengths to make sure neither of them could talk, instead of letting them go free for a few days and then only killing one of them? As such, he admitted it, which means:

1)He's lying knowingly (not likely IMB)
2)He's lying unknowingly (why?)
3)He's telling the truth

I do find the backpack angle to be intriguing and disturbing, and the questions about Craft in general to be healthy and well-founded, but I have yet to hear a scenario that explains Craft planting the bombs as some sort of a false-flag, Gladio type event and then Joker admitting to doing it.

welp, really out there theory would be that the brothers believed themselves to have been recruited to be in an "anti-terror drill" and believed their job was to place "fake" bombs, pretend terrorists. Only to get a surprise when they pressed the buttons (or more likely pressed the first button, then the malfactors pushed a backup button to det the 2nd). It could be dumb luck they weren't caught in the blasts.

but most likely they just did it themselves. I've yet to see anything really make me suspect otherwise.

[wordspeak2]

Nothing concrete suggesting the bros didn't do it...
I'm not 100% sure if this wasn't posted in the meta-thread; sorry if so- but this youtube vid:
posits that the backpack on one of the brothers as he was leaving the crime scene was Photoshopped out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOeKH9Fjv14

Photoshop-knowledgeable folks of RI: What do you say?