Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:53 pm

FourthBase wrote:http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36045
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =8&t=36305

And of course, there's the Boston mega-thread.
Go ahead, please, quote me being a cheerleader for killing.
Quote my supposed bloodlust.

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seriously?
noted.
you need a head check.
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby FourthBase » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:55 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:
FourthBase wrote:http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36045
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36305

And of course, there's the Boston mega-thread.
Go ahead, please, quote me being a cheerleader for killing.
Quote my supposed bloodlust.

If the next post you make isn't quotes that back up your claim...
Then I'm reporting you to the mods for whatever serious violation you're doing.
(And since we both know your claims are bullshit, prepare to be suspended.)


seriously?
noted.
you need a head check.


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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby ShinShinKid » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:09 pm

Canadian Watcher, please watch this video. Also, there is a great system, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ); that's heavy on groundwork, and excels from a prone (on your back, on the ground) position to deliver devastating kicks and defend against a heavier, more aggresive opponent. Really, all you have to do is watch the very first Ultimate Fighting Championship. A BJJ player beat much heavier, more athletic opponents (Royce Gracie) throughout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... r_8JdS-hHE
(Edited to let you know the video is not violent fighting, it's a short interview with Ronda Rousey)

Don't discount the martial arts. The first thing you would have learned is not to walk alone down a dark street by yourself, even if you are trained. Even if you are armed. If you think the only way out of a situation is to walk alone down a dark street, you aren't giving yourself enough credit to come up with creative solutions to said situation. It's about offering up solutions that are overlooked or ignored. It's about the intent not to be victimized, so you do not put yourself into any situation (or even any contingent situation) where that might happen. It's hard to do, but you train to overcome that difficulty. You train to learn how to overcome tough decisions. If it was easy, everybody would be Bruce Lee.

In my neighborhood, you either don't see the police, or they shut down the streets to catch people on the lam. They have straight up told the local population that for anything other than violent crime, they will be out when they get there. My neighbors went to dinner, were gone for an hour and a half, and were robbed. It took two days for the police to show up.
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:10 pm

I'm sorry ShinShin - are you female?
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby ShinShinKid » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:12 pm

I'm sorry, but I thought that didn't matter to you?

Did you read my post?
I know you didn't even have time to view the video.
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:14 pm

it matters because if you aren't a female who has been attacked by a male whose adrenaline is giving him super human strength AND he has the element of surprise behind him well then I'm not sure you're qualified to hypothesize on the effectiveness of ANY combat training in that situation.

EDIT: watched the video - this is a woman bragging about how she got into a confrontation at a movie theater and kicked some guys' asses.

A - she could be lying but even if she isn't:
B - the guys were being watched which means they were acting differently than they might if they were lone psychos
C - SHE was prepared to fight
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby ShinShinKid » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:22 pm

Sure I am, maybe because I'm not female; but I have been attacked by men much bigger than me, completely by surprise, and although sexual and rage adrenalin might be different; I can safely say that I've been jumped! It was not a pleasant experience, but also not an experience I am likely to repeat; I won't set myself up like that again.
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby justdrew » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:25 pm

oh no he didn't :tear




so yeah, just avoid the violent psychos and no problem :thumbsup
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby ShinShinKid » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:26 pm

A) Yeah, Ronda Rousey talk shit about her skills. Did you hear that she was sued?

B) That could be argued either way. They could have just as easily been emboldened by their numbers, and the fact they were male and she female.

C) Hence, 4B's (sorry to drag you into this) and my point that training in the martial arts can prepare you for certain violent and non violent situations.
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby hiddenite » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:36 pm

This one isn't about martial law, nor even martial arts, it is "separate and completely unrelated" ....

http://waltham.patch.com/articles/arrest-of-neighbor-to-triple-murder-scene-unrealted-to-homicides-da-says


Arrest Of Neighbor To Triple Murder Scene Unrelated To Homicides, DA Says
Geoffrey Langton is accused of trying to rob two men and threatening to kill a man.
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The recent arrest of a neighbor to the scene of a recent triple murder was unrelated to the homicides, according to Middlesex County District Attorney spokesman Cara O’Brien.

Geoffrey S. Langton, 19, of 16 Harding Ave., was arrested on Sept. 20 and charged with threatening to commit a crime (to wit bodily injury) and armed assault to report, according to Waltham District Court records.

Langton, who spoke to reporters at the scene of the triple murder, is scheduled for an Oct. 3 arraignment.

O’Brien said the incident “is separate and completely unrelated.”

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Suddenly, three people entered the shed and “spooked” Langton into running before he could get any pot, according to court records. Langton fled to a truck on Benefit Street, where somebody was waiting to drive him away from the scene.
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby FourthBase » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:38 pm

hiddenite wrote:This one isn't about martial law, nor even martial arts, it is "separate and completely unrelated" ....

http://waltham.patch.com/articles/arrest-of-neighbor-to-triple-murder-scene-unrealted-to-homicides-da-says


Arrest Of Neighbor To Triple Murder Scene Unrelated To Homicides, DA Says
Geoffrey Langton is accused of trying to rob two men and threatening to kill a man.
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The recent arrest of a neighbor to the scene of a recent triple murder was unrelated to the homicides, according to Middlesex County District Attorney spokesman Cara O’Brien.

Geoffrey S. Langton, 19, of 16 Harding Ave., was arrested on Sept. 20 and charged with threatening to commit a crime (to wit bodily injury) and armed assault to report, according to Waltham District Court records.

Langton, who spoke to reporters at the scene of the triple murder, is scheduled for an Oct. 3 arraignment.

O’Brien said the incident “is separate and completely unrelated.”

.............................................................................................................

Suddenly, three people entered the shed and “spooked” Langton into running before he could get any pot, according to court records. Langton fled to a truck on Benefit Street, where somebody was waiting to drive him away from the scene.


Would you please also post this in the Boston thread, please?
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:52 pm

crossposted from Boston Marathon thread (thanks stickdog)

Father & Mother Give Up

Dressed in a black shirt and black trousers, he passionately defended his sons' innocence, saying they had nothing to do with Islamist extremists.

"I feel hopeless. We are simple people. We are trying to understand. We are attacked from all sides," he said, clutching his head in despair.

"I don't know whether I should talk or stay silent. I don't want to harm my child. ... We are used to all sorts of things here but we didn't expect this from the United States."

He and other members of the family believe a man shown on television being led naked into a police car the night of the shootout was Tamerlan, and that the blurry footage, still widely available on YouTube, proves Tamerlan was captured alive. Boston police say Tamerlan was killed in a shootout, and the man seen being led into the car was a bystander who was briefly detained.

Anzor Tsarnaev said he raised the issue with U.S. officials who visited him earlier in the week in his home in Dagestan.

"I asked them: 'I saw my child alive, he was being put into a police vehicle alive and healthy. How come media said he was killed?' They were shocked themselves," the father said.
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby DrVolin » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:10 pm

Please keep the focus on the events and the analysis, rather than on each other's shortcomings.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby conniption » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:53 pm

This Can't Be Happening

Heading towards a police state
Destroying Ourselves

04/27/2013
by: Dan DeWalt


Has the "land of the free and home of the brave" decided to roll over and concede defeat to terrorism?

George Bush's “war on terror,” supinely backed by a cowed Congress of Democrats and Republicans, re-introduced torture to the American playbook, finished what Bill Clinton started in taking away our right to habeus corpus, made illegal wiretapping routine and built a culture of fear in our national psyche in order to keep us from rising up against these assaults on our Constitution. Barack Obama has continued these practices and gone further with his obsession with drone attacks worldwide, including strikes that murder American citizens without even bothering with indictments, let alone trials, and with his further expansion of wiretaps, secret government and police spying and repression of Constitutionally protected protest.

Now, in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing and subsequent manhunt, we're being told that there are a couple of new aspects to this “new normal” that we'll just have to get used to. Functional martial law--the shutting down of an entire metropolitan region -- has now happened without even an official declaration from the governor or the president. Our 4th Amendment right protecting us from unwarranted search and seizure no longer has any meaning if the powers that be deem it inconvenient. And the right to be told that we can remain silent rather than incriminate ourselves under interrogation is now optional, again at the discretion of the police authorities.

Let's examine these two new nails in the Constitution's coffin. During the manhunt, Boston and federal authorities, backed by National Guard troops and possibly private mercenaries (who were observed, though never officially acknowledged, working at the scene of the marathon), locked down the city, ordering residents to stay inside while police officers ignored the fourth amendment and entered any house at will in their search.

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Stay inside, don't question police, and you probably won't get hurt...

It is argued by government officials and an eager-to-cooperate corporate media that the bombing was an extraordinary event requiring special measures. Sure, an allegedly dangerous man was on the loose. Yet many an armed and dangerous man has been on the loose before, and we have never before seen fit to jettison constitutional rights during the capture process. (Only recently a far more dangerous man, a rogue LAPD cop and military veteran trained in the use of dangerous weapons, had announced his intention to murder many police and political figures and was on the loose, but there was no martial law declared during that manhunt.)

Now that the second Boston bombing suspect has been captured, we are told that he was intentionally deprived of his Miranda rights to remain silent and have an attorney present before he was questioned -- for 16 hours -- by a crack FBI interrogation team while under sedation and in serious condition locked to a hospital bed.

This wholesale violation of his basic Constitutional right against self-incrimination was based on an already flimsy “national security” executive order signed in secret in 2010 by Obama -- an order which unconstitutionally permits ignoring the Miranda warning if society is deemed to be in imminent danger. Legality of that order aside, in the Boston case, however, the very fact that authorities waited patiently for the suspect to regain consciousness and some level of coherence gives the lie to the notion that anything other than a constitutional breach occurred, even assuming the executive order were valid.

Video and eyewitness evidence has already given prosecutors a mountain of evidence that should be sufficient to pursue a case against the alleged bomber. If they simply wanted to get information from him to protect the public regarding possible confederates or other planned bombings, they could have let him have a lawyer, pointed out him the strength of the case against him and offered him some limited immunity in terms of a reduced charge or a dropping of any capital charge, if he agreed to tell them all there was to learn.

So why the rush to suspend our constitutional rights? For that matter, why is this mass killing even being labeled an act of terrorism, while the Aurora Colorado mass killing, which also featured an apartment full of explosives and even more innocents killed, is still referred to only as a criminal act? Why is murder by bomb called terrorism, while murder by gun seems to be just an unfortunate aspect of America's tradition of violent behavior? Is it the fact that the Boston bombers have an alleged Islamic association that brands them terrorists? If James Holmes (the Aurora shooter) were a Moslem, would he now be labeled a terrorist as well?

The shock of events in Boston may have made it easier for the public to acquiesce to the loss of their liberties for the moment, but the civil liberty erosions that ensued will not be a one-time event. History shows Boston will just be another step in the inevitable one-way slide that we are taking as a nation towards authoritarian government, where arbitrary decisions about our supposed welfare are made without the benefit of law, the Constitution or our own input.

Perhaps many of us have been convinced, thanks to corporate media propaganda and the rantings of political charlatans, that American fascism would be a benevolent fascism, but that is an extremely risky bet to make and one that we will certainly regret in the future. Other countries seem to be able to cope with terror attacks without discarding their established rule of law. Germany withstood the Baader-Meinhoff gang, Italy the Red Brigades, and Spain its Basque separatist violence.

Surely the American people could to continue to live under the legal system that has served us since our inception -- a system in which police confronted acts of violence as a policing matter not as hyped-up supposedly mortal threats to our nation. Surely we are capable of understanding that while we enjoyed a long period when terrorism was mostly something that happened elsewhere, it has now caught up to us and will be with us in some form from now on -- just another threat like the spasms of psycho-violence which plague us.

Indeed, a Washington Post poll taken after the Boston attack shows that a majority of Americans are not altering their daily routines to avoid terrorism. The poll also shows that we don't have much faith in the government to prevent such events, or with the way the government is hacking away at our civil liberties, with a plurality of respondents saying that they think the government has gone overboard in undermining civil liberties in the name of combating terrorism.

It is only Official America that has decided to take draconian steps to curtail our liberties in the name of safety. It's Official America that makes the ludicrous assertion that our soil can be kept absolutely safe and secure from ever suffering such attacks. It is Official America that is so eager to grant unprecedented power to police and national security officials over our lives at the expense of our republic's founding and guiding principals in the name of achieving this unachievable goal. It is Official America that is engineering our demise as a free republic and leading us in their brave new police-state world.


Dan DeWalt is an activist and journalist based in New Fane, VT. He wrote this article exclusively for ThisCantBeHappening!
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Re: Are We Allowed to Talk About Martial Law?

Postby conniption » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:03 pm

wfsb

Tense Calif. town hunts for killer of 8-year-old

By JOHN S. MARSHALL
Associated Press
Apr 29, 2013


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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Law enforcement patrols have been increased outside a school in a small Northern California town where a search is continuing for a man suspected of stabbing an 8-year-old girl to death.

Deputies from the Calaveras County Sheriff's Office on Monday were deployed outside Jenny Lind Elementary School in Valley Springs, as classmates of the victim, Leila Fowler, returned to school.

Grief counselors were also expected to be available at the school. A class of sixth-graders placed ribbons outside to remember Fowler, a third-grader.

Authorities say Leila was fatally stabbed at her home in Valley Springs on Saturday during an apparent break-in. The girl was found by her older brother who told deputies that he had encountered a male intruder in the home.

Authorities have issued a vague description of a suspect but have not been able to identify the man.

After door-to-door sweeps proved fruitless, law officers urged residents of a small town in Northern California to lock their doors and keep a close eye on streets and yards for a man who stabbed an 8-year-old girl to death in her house.

The attacker, only described as wearing a black shirt and blue pants, was the subject of a broad search Sunday by the sheriff's departments of Calaveras and surrounding counties, the California Highway Patrol and the state Department of Justice.

Leila Fowler was stabbed to death on Saturday at the home in Valley Springs, Coroner Kevin Raggio said. Sheriff's officials say investigators have collected fingerprints and what they believe is DNA from the home. Calaveras County Sheriff's Capt. Jim Macedo told the Modesto Bee authorities hope to have lab results on the evidence in a week.

"This is way too close to home," Julia Poland, who took her 13-year-old daughter to an afternoon news conference on the search, told the Bee. "This kind of thing does not happen here."

Leila was found by her brother - reported by local media to be 12 years old - after he encountered a male intruder in the home. When the intruder ran away, the boy found his sister stabbed. She was pronounced dead at a local hospital, officials said.

Authorities spent Saturday night and into Sunday conducting a door-to-door sweep of homes scattered across hilly terrain, checking storage sheds and horse stables, and even searching attics.

"It is a difficult area to search, it's rural, remote," sheriff's Capt. Jim Macedo said.

Mass notifications alerted residents about the attack and the search for the suspect, officials said.

"I was working on my tractor and a CHP copter kept flying over my house," Roger Ballew, 35, told The Associated Press on Sunday.

A SWAT team showed up at his house Saturday night and told him to stay inside.

"It was nerve-racking, I didn't sleep well," Ballew said.

Investigators on Sunday were interviewing several people, but no suspects had been named by late afternoon. Detectives were checking out tips that had come in to the sheriff's office, including possible leads from outside the county, officials said.

"It's just terrible," resident Paul Gschweng told Sacramento television station KCRA. "What can I say about it, it's just a tragedy."

The station reported that a neighbor told police that a man was running from the girl's home after the attack.

Investigators were asking area residents to call authorities if they had any information, knew of anyone who had unexplained injuries or may have left the area unexpectedly after the girl was killed.

Valley Springs is a community of about 2,500 people in an unincorporated area of Calaveras County, known as "Gold Country," in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountains, about 60 miles southeast of Sacramento.

The county became world-famous in 1865 with Mark Twain's short story, "The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County," according to the Calaveras County Chamber of Commerce website.
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