Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[FourthBase]

So as i understand it the FBI kept questioning him even while he demanded a lawyer, which is a different situation than just not reading him his rights, he still asked for a lawyer and was denied, totally different ballgame than the public safety rule they were using to question him before Miranda. Anyway someone tipped off a judge and she came to the hospital and told the FBI to stop and she read him his rights and appointed him a lawyer and he has not talked since.


The issue here is they dont have to read him his rights under public safety rule BUT if he still asks for a lawyer ON HIS OWN without being read his rights THEY CANNOT DENY him that, and they did, word got out to a judge that he was asking for lawyer and being denied and she went to hospital held a hearing in his room read him his rights and appointed him counsel, GOOD ON HER!!

Thank god we still have some honest judges in this country.

Fuckin' AAAAA!

@ that judge.

She is hereby invited to any future duck boat parade.

[Hunter]

yea it was good to hear that such judges exist and not to protect the bomber but to protect ALL OF US.

[Hunter]

Just because they dont read you your rights does NOT mean those rights dont exist, THEY ALWAYS EXIST and ALWAYS APPLY you should not need to be read your rights to know you have a right to be silent and hire counsel, he knew that and exercised those rights and they denied them, THEY CANNOT DO THAT, they can refuse to read him his rights under that public safety rule but they cannot DENY HIM HIS RIGHTS if he chooses to exercise them himself before being told of them. Very very bad that they did that and from what I have heard the Judge laid in to their asses for it and was pissed.

[barracuda]

I've been wondering if the refusal of the request for counsel might render his testimony at that time inadmissible at trial, and if it wasn't set up that way purposely, i.e., as a convenient way to avoid releasing certain information at a later date.

[Hunter]

Very good point Cuda and they are just saying they didnt have to give him an attorney under PSR but that isnt true, they just dont have to tell you that you have a right to one, if you already know that and ask for one, before they tell you of such a right, they CANNOT DENY THAT, and they did, the judge was pissed and put a quick end to that charade and he hasnt spoken since without attorney present.

[Hunter]

A lot of people seem to think if they dont read your rights then you dont have them, that is bullshit, you always have those rights and they cannot be denied. Now if youre smart and want to talk for some reason and they dont read them to you that is a great way to talk and not have it used in court, on the other hand if they dont read you those rights and you still exercise them on your own, they cannot deny them, that would put an end to all questioning immediately until counsel is present.

But you make a good point, I wonder if it was on purpose to keep certain statements out of public view on court record.

[Hunter]

The kid likely doesnt know much anyway, the one who knows all the details is dead and some saying he was alive when taken in to custody, I dont know about that but the one who knows what this is all really about and who may be behind it, cant talk and is dead.

[barracuda]

Sounds like some pretty low-level obstruction of justice bullshit to me.

Three college friends of Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were charged Wednesday with removing items from his dorm room or lying about it to the feds.

Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev were charged with conspiring to obstruct justice. Robel Philipos was charged with making false statements, federal authorities said.

A hearing was scheduled for sometime after 3 p.m. in Boston.

Tazhayakov and Kadyrbayev, who are from Kazakhstan, had been detained April 20 on immigration charges. Philipos was taken into custody later.

This May 1, 2013 FBI handout image released in a criminal complaint, shows fireworks tubes found in a backpack that was disposed of by friends of Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

The men recognized Tsarnaev, 19, from video of the bombing scene released by the FBI and Kadyrbayev texted him about it, a criminal complaint said.

Tsarnaev's responses included the messages "lol," "you better not text me" and "come to my room and take whatever you want," the court document said.

The trio went to Tsarnaev's dorm room at the University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth, where they found he had already left and were let in by his roommate.

After watching a movie, they spotted a backpack containing seven red tubes of fireworks that had been emptied of their explosive powder and Kadyrbayev decided to take it, according to a criminal complaint. They also took a laptop because they didn't want to arouse the roommate's suspicions about the backpack, the complaint said.

Kadrybaev told the feds "they then collectively decided to throw the backpack and fireworks into the trash because they did not want Tsarnaev to get in trouble," the complaint said.

Kadyrbaev put the items in a large trash bag and tossed it into a dumpster near his apartment, the complaint said.

There was no indication the three men had any prior knowledge of the bombing.

"Please be advised that there is no threat to public safety," the Boston Police Department said on its website.
If convicted, Kadyrbayev and Tazhayakov face a maximum sentence of five years in prison, and Phillipos faces a maximum sentence of eight years in prison, prosecutors said.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05 ... verup?lite

[Hunter]

They are just lining up witnesses to testify against these guys one way or another. These kids will be threatened with OOJ charges unless they testify that the two brothers prayed five times a day and read the koran.

"Yes sir thats correct we saw them pray five times a day and they always read that jihad book, whats it called again, oh yes the Koran."

[justdrew]

yea it was good to hear that such judges exist and not to protect the bomber but to protect ALL OF US.

yes, thank the voters not all judges are republicans.

[Hunter]

That is a case where voting matters, you might rightfully argue that it doesnt matter at the presidental or congressional level and it is all fixed but I do think it still matters when we elect judges and those are people in a position to make a real difference like we see here, again not to protect the bomber even though he should be protected by the same rights any other citizen is, but to protect all of us from being taken advantage of by the authorities.

[justdrew]

if we assume the elections are all fixed, they might as well be. Be suspicious, but vote anyway.

[MacCruiskeen]

Federal Magistrate Marianne Bowler, who rushed in to see him only two-and-a half days after he was caught

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... gn=foxnews

Faster than a speeding bullet. I hope she didn't get a side stitch.

Before he was Mirandized [sic], federal agents spoke with Tsarnaev for two days under a "public safety exception." CNN reported that Tsarnaev confessed his part in the bombings and stated he and his brother had worked alone.

Well, he would, wouldn't he? Or at least he would be said, by Mr. Source, to have done so.

a government source said

Two government sources say

Enough. What an unfunny farce it all is.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will never be seen by anyone again, least of all in a court of law*. And there is no good reason to accept without proof Mr. Source's assertions that the boy is actually in FBI custody, capable of communicating in any way, or even still alive.

*Pastel portraits may, of course, "emerge".


Joker

[compared2what?]

Please, let's dispense with the political correctness.
Chinese Danny because he might not be Chinese, maybe?
Joker because that's an easy way to mispronounce his name as spelled? Batman?

It's not political correctness. I actually have a problem with seeing screeds against people who are repeatedly identified in ethnic/racial terms for no reason. Is that just a pointless restriction to you?

And....The thing about making a caricature out of his name is that it effectively reduces him to plot-point in the narrative of whoever's doing it. I understand that Mac's intention is to suggest that the media are doing that, not to do it himself. But it's still pretty xenophobic to make hay out of someone's weird and unbelievable foreign name, come on.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Today's arrests are an extension of the carrot to Russia, in hopes of quid pro quo where Syria is concerned.

Declared with excessive certainty, but: Good theory.
Let's keep digging. Keep theorizing, too. Balls, air. Many trees.

Excellent point. "Seems to be an extension of the carrot..." would be more appropriate. I'm trying to remain agnostic about really putting all the hypotheticals into a well-baked theory. This seems like a good motive. I'm not suggesting President Obomba is spearheading a conspiracy. I'm not saying for a fact that he isn't. What could be happening is with the National Security State Apparatus lining all the ducks in a row, this is the most expedient card to play. As Ruppert said in Crossing the Rubicon, "When a flock of birds suddenly changes direction, simultaneously and uniformly, is it a conspiracy? Or is it just an instant recognition by every member of the flock where their collective interests lie?" My answer, "Reserve judgment. But be sure to get the names of every fucking bird!"

As far as "Danny" goes, we have seen, not including eyewitness accounts like the literally race-blind gas station attendant, a glaring inconsistency in his account as far as originally stating that both Tsarnaevs had "left the car", now we have Tamerlan attempting to grab him. But I can't say for certain just what he's really all about. If "Danny" is an intelligence recruit, how the hell do you pitch someone like this?