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Postby FourthBase » Tue May 07, 2013 2:57 pm

Uncomprehending person wrote: The fact that people are willing to stand by and let it happen and even to berate their fellow citizens for questioning is even more so.


Comprehension fail.

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To be told we can't question or we risk physical violence is outrageous. I find it difficult to believe that people can't see that. There is another alternative though, and it's uglier.


Can you try better not to fail at comprehending, please?

I'm not "telling you", I'm alerting you, to a reality, it is what it is, deal with it.
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Postby FourthBase » Tue May 07, 2013 3:12 pm

For our perusal, in the right place:

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Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue May 07, 2013 3:16 pm

why can't I find the tree in the blurred photoshopped image of the second bombing?
three pics - two purportedly showing the bag beside the mailbox before it exploded ( I guess.. is that the official story? I honestly don't know) But in either case.. can anyone else see the tree.. it appears to be gone in the post explosion photo.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/suspicious-b ... ng-photos/
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Re: Crisis Actors? Post your info & WTF moments here

Postby barracuda » Tue May 07, 2013 3:16 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:
Elihu wrote:http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr114.html


The questions raised in the analysis of the photos are some of the same that I had upon seeing them.


Pardon me for being extremely skeptical regarding that statement. You're telling me that when you first saw the photos - without having already read or watched a YouTube video about possible fakery - your first impression was that they were probably all actors and Jeff Bauman was probably putting on a prosthetic special-effect bone protrusion? I'm doubtful. More likely you read that somewhere and adopted it as your own.

In other words, I think you're "acting". At least that's my "theory".

To be told we can't question or we risk physical violence is outrageous.


FourthBase was just doing you a favor. There are entire neighborhoods in Boston that are dealing with the debilitating effects of having friends and family blown to shit, and will be dealing with that for years. Best to keep your "THEY'RE ALL FAKES SHEEPLE CRISIS ACTORS!!1!!" theories to yourself should you find yourself in one of them.
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Postby barracuda » Tue May 07, 2013 3:25 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:why can't I find the tree in the blurred photoshopped image of the second bombing?
three pics - two purportedly showing the bag beside the mailbox before it exploded ( I guess.. is that the official story? I honestly don't know) But in either case.. can anyone else see the tree.. it appears to be gone in the post explosion photo.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/suspicious-b ... ng-photos/


Here's an overlay of the two photos in which you can see that people are standing in front of the slender trunk of the tree, and the station logo obscured it further up, but above that the branches appear visible:

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At least that's what it looks like to me. But I guess it could be a tree-spiracy of some sort.
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Postby Elihu » Tue May 07, 2013 3:54 pm

There are entire neighborhoods in Boston that are dealing with the debilitating effects of having friends and family blown to shit, and will be dealing with that for years. Best to keep your "THEY'RE ALL FAKES SHEEPLE CRISIS ACTORS!!1!!" theories to yourself should you find yourself in one of them.
oh spare us the piosity pleeze. this from the one that is never surprised by the national security state making lemonade out of lemons. circular. so what exactly is the problem? chechen teearorists? un-appreciative sheeple disrespecting the benevolent leviathan attempting to restore peace and tranquility? do you have an opinion on its methods? the legislation, the lockdowns, the apc's, the revelation that they have full electronic documentation of the "perps'" movements, phone calls, contacts, purchases? the perps are dead and incognito? its incredibly fruitless failure time after time (unless you're a banker or military contractor)? it might seem callous to be skeptical except we've seen all this before. it's getting pedantic. if we could just get leviathan on trump's show, he'd fire them. is it illogical to state how this trajectory is going to end in denunciations and show trials? undoubtedly you would deny that, so please state for the record what exactly is going on here and how should these events be interpreted?
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Postby IanEye » Tue May 07, 2013 4:24 pm

Elihu wrote:oh spare us the piosity pleeze.


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Postby barracuda » Tue May 07, 2013 5:15 pm

Elihu wrote:oh spare us the piosity pleeze.


No way! What this group needs is some good ole-fashioned maudlin sentimentality. How's about this...

Here are the frames used in Dave McGowan's dumb-ass article, animated into a nice .gif sequence:

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See the girl on the ground in the upper left quadrant, wearing a blue t-shirt and screaming? That's Krystle Campbell. Here she is getting her pulse checked - she's the one with the vacant, open-mouth stare of death:

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She looks that way 'cause she's dead. (Just look at all that fake blood.)

Here she is in the good old days with her friend Karen Rand, the girl laying on the ground next to her:

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Here's Karen with Elisabeth Warren, that phony fascist enabler:

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this from the one that is never surprised by the national security state making lemonade out of lemons. circular. so what exactly is the problem? chechen teearorists? un-appreciative sheeple disrespecting the benevolent leviathan attempting to restore peace and tranquility? do you have an opinion on its methods? the legislation, the lockdowns, the apc's, the revelation that they have full electronic documentation of the "perps'" movements, phone calls, contacts, purchases? the perps are dead and incognito? its incredibly fruitless failure time after time (unless you're a banker or military contractor)?


Blah, blah, blah. Fuck the state. Blah blah blah. They'd just as soon kill you as take your money.

it might seem callous to be skeptical except we've seen all this before. it's getting pedantic.


Umm hmm. Please show me a documented instance of crisis actors caught passing themselves off as having been blown to bits in the middle of a huge crowd of thousands of onlookers when they were really just a bunch of faking CIAmputees. It's not all that pedantic, is it? And I don't really think it's even all that callous - it's just dumb. People passing this "fake amputees in Boston" story round and round just read it somewhere on the inter-tube and repeat it over and over until they talk themselves into a little frenzy as they line up nicely behind one another and keep doing what their told. Talk about sheep. You don't even know who wrote the now-famous first story of Jeff Bauman's prosthetic tibia appliance, do you? (Hint: his name is Fist-of-Freedom, ha ha. Fist of freedom right up your freedom loving a--.)

Fucking herd animals.

Elihu wrote:undoubtedly you would deny that, so please state for the record what exactly is going on here and how should these events be interpreted?


People got blowed up, that's what happened. But don't worry, just as with all the hundreds of "crisis actors" in the Sandy Hook shooting, the conspiracy photo-truther folks'll soon enough be off and running, rubbernecking and masturbating to the next "look at the pixels its a fraud!!!" tragedy while the survivors languish in hell picking up the pieces of their bodies and their lives, and the perps and their support teams saunter back to their crappy-ass mansions in the burbs.

How's that for some pious shit, huh?
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Postby Elihu » Tue May 07, 2013 5:29 pm

and the perps and their support teams saunter back to their crappy-ass mansions in the burbs.

How's that for some pious shit, huh?
well i feel for your pain, seeing that the cops won't get em next time. to agree with you, they're not meant to...
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Postby Simulist » Tue May 07, 2013 5:33 pm

Those promoting the idea that these victims are "crisis actors" are absolutely, sickeningly disgusting.
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Re: Crisis Actors? Post your info & WTF moments here

Postby conniption » Tue May 07, 2013 5:34 pm

barracuda wrote:
Elihu wrote:oh spare us the piosity pleeze.


No way! What this group needs is some good ole-fashioned maudlin sentimentality. How's about this...

Here are the frames used in Dave Emory's dumb-ass article, animated into a nice .gif sequence:




Who was talking about Dave Emory?

It's an article by Dave McGowen. You know, the Laurel Canyon guy.

Here is the text minus the disturbing images.

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Special Report on the Boston Marathon: The Curious Case of the Man with the L-Shaped Leg
May 1, 2013

The Boston Marathon bombing incident produced an exceedingly bloody, gore-filled scene. We know that because virtually all avenues of the mainstream media, as was obvious from the very first reports, wanted us to know that. Never before can I recall seeing so many blood-soaked images being so prominently displayed. Newspapers and network and cable news broadcasts seemed to be on a mission to bring you the bloodiest, most graphic images they could come up with.

The most disturbing of those images, by far, all involved a guy who had reportedly just had both of his legs blown off. The most heavily circulated and iconic of those images are of the legless guy being rolled away from the scene in a wheelchair, his unbelievably graphic wounds uncovered and on full display for the waiting cameras. That did not happen by accident. As it turns out, not only were his injuries quite obviously fake, they were specifically tailored for that high-profile wheelchair ride.

Before I get any further into that, however, I need to note here that in the past I have been rather critical of others who have alleged that the victims of supposed terrorist attacks are actually actors. Nothing, it seems to me, could possibly serve to better alienate readers than attacking the victims as being part of the conspiracy. But in this case, the evidence is quite overwhelming that the no-legs guy, and his two apparent accomplices, were in fact actors.

This will be, I am sure, quite difficult information for most people to process. For if the most high-profile victim of the attack was clearly fake, then the attack itself was obviously staged. And that is not an easy thing for most people to wrap their heads around.

I need to be very clear here in stating that I am not arguing that no one was injured in the attack and that there was no real suffering. That is clearly not the case. But the fact remains that the most high-profile of the victims, who also happened to be by far the most gruesomely injured of the victims, was a fake. He also, by the way, is the only person with explosive amputation injuries who is visible in any of the still photos or videos that have surfaced. We are told by authorities that there were numerous such injuries, but there is no indication of that in any of the available images.

So was the no-legs guy the only one who actually received such injuries, or was he just the only one who the media chose to put in the spotlight? Either way, we should probably take a much closer look. That means, of course, that this post will be filled with very graphic images. But there’s no need to worry – you’ve seen plenty of this stuff before in various horror movies. And it’s no more real here than it is in a George Romero movie or an episode of The Walking Dead.

The notion that the government would use amputee actors to portray trauma victims, complete with Hollywood blood and gore, seems a rather bizarre notion. But it is not, strangely enough, wild-eyed conspiracy theorizing to suggest such a thing. To the contrary, as this video clip culled from the mainstream media clearly demonstrates, it is an acknowledged fact:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNsnCVuE2C4


That doesn’t mean, of course, that the government used actors in the Boston bombing operation. It does though mean that there are amputees out there who have experience convincingly portraying victims of severe trauma, and it means that the government is more than happy to employ them during training exercises, and that it does so primarily for shock value. And nothing in recent memory, as already noted, had quite the shock value of the guy at the finish line of the Boston Marathon with the shredded legs.

I am aware, by the way, that the guy is supposedly named Jeff Bauman. But I have seen the posted photos of Jeff Bauman and it does not, to my eyes, look like the same person. Also, the identification of Bauman came via an unverifiable Facebook post. In fact, virtually everything that has been reported about Bauman has come from unverified Facebook posts, though the info has been reported as fact. Those posts have largely been credited to Jeff Bauman, Sr., though no reporters, as best I can determine, have actually located and spoken to the senior Bauman. Jeff, Jr. was supposedly waiting at the finish line for his girlfriend to cross, but that girlfriend has never been identified and has not come forward to speak to the press either.

I am also aware that many on the Internet have claimed that no-legs was actually Nick Vogt, a former serviceman who lost his legs overseas. But I have reviewed the available photos of Vogt and he also doesn’t seem to resemble the wheelchair guy all that closely. I don’t pretend to know who the no-legs guy actually is, but I do know that the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that he did not lose his legs at the Boston Marathon. For the purposes of this post, we will refer to him as Johnny No-Legs.

Below is the first post-blast image of Johnny, taken from a surveillance video. He can be seen to the left, just in front of the woman we will call ‘accomplice #1.’ Just behind her is accomplice #2, who we will call the ‘hoody guy.’ The smoke is still pretty thick in this image so we can’t discern much, but we can see that from the earliest moments after the explosion, Johnny's stumps are at right angles to his body. And the lower leg on the longer stump, though it can’t be seen from this angle, is at a near perfect right-angle to the upper leg. Both of his stumps, in other words, are in a sitting position. And they will remain in that very same orientation, without even minor changes, for the entire time that he is in camera range.


Moving on to the second image, we can clearly see that the hoody guy, just moments after the blast, is primarily concerned with donning his sunglasses. Numerous web posts and videos claim that this was to send a signal to accomplice #1 – a rather ridiculous suggestion, it seems to me, given that the two are obviously close enough to signal each other verbally. Far more likely is that hoody guy was mostly concerned with concealing his identity. He will remain in the hoody and shades for as long as he is on-camera. We can also see more clearly here that accomplice #1 and hoody guy are within inches of Johnny, with his freshly amputated limbs pointed directly at them. They will, nevertheless, emerge from their ordeal without so much as a drop of blood on them. They both also appear to have not received any significant injuries despite having been right alongside a guy who supposedly got both his legs blown off.

In this third image, we can now clearly see the right-angle bend in the prosthetic knee. We can also see that the bony prosthesis is all but poking accomplice #1 in the head (which seems, I must say, rather rude). And it is clearly pointing directly at both accomplice #1 and the hoody guy, both of whom remain remarkably blood-free. We can also see that accomplice #1’s purse is between Johnny’s right elbow and accomplice #1’s right hip. And we can see that no one else in this scene is nearly as gravely injured as Johnny. Also, accomplice #1 and hoody guy seem rather calm relative to most of the others in the scene, many of whom are in full panic mode.

Moments later, we can see that Johnny and accomplice #1 seem to both be giving the very same hand signal, in the direction of approaching reporters and photographers, while making eye contact with one another. Both stumps continue to be in a sitting position and both continue to point directly at accomplice #1. Hoody guy looks on while making no effort to offer assistance to Johnny. Indeed, neither accomplice #1 or hoody guy ever make any effort to staunch the flow of Johnny’s blood, which is okay since there doesn’t appear to actually be any blood flowing.


It is important to remember here that Johnny, according to the official narrative, was allegedly all but straddling backpack bomb #1. According to a frequently referenced account by Bloomberg, "Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his [alleged] brother, Chris Bauman, [allegedly] said in an interview. Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff's legs apart."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-1 ... ckers.html


What we are viewing here then is 'ground zero' of the Boston bombing - the very area that the so-called Cowboy Hero, Carlos Arredondo, described as being filled with "people with lost limbs ... There was blood on the floor, blood everywhere. Then what you saw was ribs, everywhere, I mean everywhere ..." It is perfectly clear though that Arredondo's description couldn't be any further removed from reality. Exactly how much blood do you see here? And with the exception of Johnny, how many people do you see who have suffered significant injuries? Unless you have much better eyes than I, the answer to both questions is "none."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -life.html


We now change positions to look at the same scene just moments later from a different perspective. Accomplice #1 and hoody guy have moved away to reveal that, while the two of them remained blood-free, the space on the pavement that they had been occupying is now magically drenched in what is apparently supposed to be blood, though I, for one, have never seen blood that color before. Both stumps are still at right angles to his body and the knee on the left stump remains bent at a right-angle. He is now also keeping a firm grip on that longer prosthesis and will continue to do so for as long as he remains on-camera.

And why, one wonders, has Johnny been abandoned by his accomplices? Why, after providing no assistance whatsoever, have the two of them physically distanced themselves from him? It clearly wasn't to get out of the way and let responders tend to his alleged wounds.

In this next image, we again see that the ground is drenched in very unconvincing blood. We also see that both limbs continue to be locked in a sitting position and that Johnny continues to keep a very tight grip on the left prosthesis. And he continues to suffer alone, with no one at any time offering any assistance whatsoever in any of the recorded images, even though a responder is clearly standing right there in what is supposed to be his pooled blood, with his back turned to Johnny as though he is guarding him rather than assisting him.



This next image is a real WTF? shot. Johnny is nowhere to be seen, though both of his accomplices are present and accounted for and his bloodstain can be clearly seen directly under accomplice #1. One might be tempted to conclude that he had been evacuated to waiting medical assistance by this point … except for the fact that his would-be rescuer can be seen to the left standing idly by, hat in hand. We can see here quite clearly that both the hoody guy and accomplice #1 somehow deftly avoided getting any of Johnny’s blood on them. We can also see that hoody guy looks remarkably relaxed and unruffled after his ordeal. It is my best guess that Johnny is off-camera being prepped for his photo-op, which of course directly contradicts the official story that it was Carlos Arredondo who picked Johnny up and loaded him into the wheelchair. Johnny/Bauman has been quoted as claiming that, "When Carlos picked me up and threw me into the wheelchair, then I was like, maybe I am going to make it ... before that, no way. I thought I was done." Like virtually every other aspect of this story, that appears to be a lie. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/2 ... 64370.html



In this next image, Johnny is ready for his moment in the spotlight. Ridiculously, he is in a wheelchair rather than strapped to a gurney. And just as ridiculously, his alleged wounds are on full display because, you know, no one thought to throw a coat or a sheet or something over them. It couldn’t really be any more obvious, given the laws of gravity, how absurd it is for a bottomless guy to be transported in an upright position. There is no question that under any other circumstances, this guy would have been on a gurney with his wounds covered with a sheet. But that would have ruined the show that his prosthetics were specifically designed for. Also, it would have looked really weird to have him in a sitting position while lying on his back on a gurney.


Arredondo has boldly claimed that, "as most people ran for their lives when the explosions went off in Boston, he vaulted a fence to get to spectators, many of whom had lost limbs, and used his clothes and towels to stanch victims' bleeding." Pretty much every part of that statement is untrue. As we will soon see, the 'Cowboy Hero' did not vault a fence, there were not numerous victims with lost limbs, and Arredondo clearly did not sacrifice his clothes, or use anything else, to arrest Johnny's bleeding.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-life.htm

Next up is another view of Johnny in the wheelchair. From this angle, we can see that his left leg is still bent at the knee at a right angle, even though that is a very unnatural position. Without exertion by our alleged victim, his lower leg would be hanging straight down. To maintain it in that position would require physical exertion for the entire time that Johnny remained on the scene, both while on his back and while in the wheelchair. So apparently Johnny not only remained conscious and quite alert throughout his ordeal, he also maintained enough strength to keep his knee locked at a right-angle. I should also point out here that there isn’t so much as a drop of blood visible in the wheelchair’s path.

This last image is a highly incriminating one of accomplice #1, ready for her photo-op. It is clearly the same woman – same face, same clothes, same purse. But the last time we saw her, she had miraculously survived the blast without injury and had even more miraculously managed to avoid getting drenched in Johnny’s blood. But now, as she is about to be rolled out for the waiting cameras, she is suddenly and inexplicably a bloody mess. Could it really be any more obvious how fake this is? Or did paramedics decide for no particular reason to beat the hell out of this woman as they were strapping her to the gurney? And why is it that there was a gurney available for her but not for Johnny?

One other thing that is made very obvious by these images is that the official victim count, which last I heard stood at 264, is wildly exaggerated - unless, that is, about 250 of them came from the second bombing site, which news photographers seem to have completely ignored. One final piece of evidence concerning Johnny No-Legs - who, in addition to being the most high-profile victim of the attack is also the guy who allegedly provided the tip that allowed law enforcement to identify the suspects - can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7l73BxWr0Q


As can be clearly seen, an EMT rushes up to stop the wheelchair processional to make a last-second adjustment before Johnny reaches the waiting cameras. Given that Johnny was allegedly moments away from death at the time, what kind of adjustment could have possibly been so important?


There is one more video clip that is relevant to this discussion - live footage from the Boston Globe that depicts the explosions and the immediate aftermath. As revealed in the video, the explosions took place on the side of the street opposite the bleachers - the side of the street, that is, where there were far fewer spectators gathered. The explosions also took place behind some temporary fencing/scaffolding, requiring would-be rescuers to spend a full two-and-a-half minutes working to dismantle the fencing to get to victims. That was undoubtedly by design, for that window of opportunity, amidst the smoke and ensuing chaos, was what allowed the architects of this attack to stage the injuries of the crisis actors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfivKMhqyg


According to mainstream accounts, "The first time Jeff Bauman Jr. met Carlos Arredondo it was moments after one of the blasts at the Boston Marathon blew him to the ground taking both his legs." We are supposed to believe that Arredondo was at Johnny's side almost immediately, and that his alleged pinching shut of Johnny's femoral artery is what saved his life. All such accounts ignore the fact that Johnny actually laid on the ground completely unattended for an inordinate amount of time, and that neither Johnny nor anyone around him made any effort whatsoever to stop his alleged bleeding. Arredondo can be seen in the video and he clearly isn't yet at Johnny's side nearly three minutes after the blast.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-life.htm


There is not really much more that I can add here. People see only what they want to see, which generally means that they have an amazing capacity to ignore and/or disregard that which directly challenges their world view. But while you can lie to yourself and pretend like I’m just some loudmouthed crackpot, if you have actually read through this post and studied the images, then there is a part of you that knows with a certainty that you have been lied to by your government and its media lackeys.

It’s okay though. Go back to sleep. I’m sure everything is going to work out just fine. Don’t be surprised though if you wake up one day soon to find the streets lined with armored personnel carriers and the skies filled with military helicopters
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Postby justdrew » Tue May 07, 2013 5:38 pm

I think we should consider banning the hoax pushers.

we have NOT "seen this before" NEVER EVER

all we've seen before is disingenuous liars spreading the same bullshit lies about Sandy Hook
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Re: Crisis Actors? Post your info & WTF moments here

Postby Simulist » Tue May 07, 2013 5:39 pm

justdrew wrote:I think we should consider banning the hoax pushers.

we have NOT "seen this before" NEVER EVER

all we've seen before is disingenuous liars spreading the same bullshit lies about Sandy Hook

Agreed. This crap needs to be ended. Right now.

This tarnishes the board.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue May 07, 2013 5:47 pm

I think we should consider banning anyone who attempts to reverse the burden of proof, or who regards evidence as an option and a luxury, or who suggests that anyone who doubts the word (and the unimpeachable, unconcussed memory) of Jeff Bauman deserves to have the shit beaten out of them.

But that would mean banning the clear majority of posters to this formerly interesting, formerly anti-fascist, former discussion board.

Thorny problem.
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Re: Crisis Actors? Post your info & WTF moments here

Postby justdrew » Tue May 07, 2013 5:58 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:I think we should consider banning anyone who attempts to reverse the burden of proof, or who regards evidence as an option and a luxury, or who suggests that anyone who doubts the word (and the unimpeachable, unconcussed memory) of Jeff Bauman deserves to have the shit beaten out of them.

But that would mean banning the clear majority of posters to this formerly interesting, formerly anti-fascist, former discussion board.

Thorny problem.


then go man. go. I see a few MFs who wouldn't know a fascist if they were one. Not that that includes you Mac.

Proof will be presented where it belongs, in court. Not in the new media circus.

you know memory loss isn't a requirement of concussion.

the automatic assumption that everyone in authority is a liar running a psiop is absolutely poisonous to any hope of reform.
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