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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed May 08, 2013 8:58 pm

It's interesting to hear you admit that such openly fascist options are already readily available in the USA.


OK, that line was ill-expressed. "Interesting" may have made me sound like Colonel Klink. But I assure you no insinuation was intended, least of all at your expense. Perhaps I should have said something like:

You acknowledge in passing that such openly fascist options are already readily available in the USA.


The point I was attempting to make was that the availability and frequent use of such openly fascist options does not encourage confidence that the surviving brother can expect a fair trial just because he's not currently confined to their very worst dungeon on the island of Cuba. Nor can we trust the official yarn about the corpse of Tamerlan (or "Tamerlan") just because they didn't actually dump it on that island or in the ocean. A state that reserves such fascist methods for terrorist suspects (dead or alive) in Guantanamo Bay can also employ such fascist methods against terrorist suspects anywhere else within its jurisdiction (and in many places without). Again obvious, I would have thought.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed May 08, 2013 8:59 pm

Anyone know about Nikolai Malishevski? Curious what people here think about this site and these articles attempting to "follow the money":


Followed by...squabbles, nothing but squabbles.
So, I take it everyone knows all about Malishevski?
No, of course you don't. Maybe we all should.
What is the Strategic Culture Foundation?
Is that article rich with information?

Inquiring minds, please stop squabbling.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby compared2what? » Wed May 08, 2013 9:06 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:1. It is convenient to spooks that corpses they tell stories about do not get examined by independent third parties, least of all by the next of kin.

2. It was predictable (therefore) that that particular corpse would never be independently examined by the next of kin or by anyone else.

Perfectly obvious, I would have thought. But there it is, spelt out for you again again. Let me know if anything's still unclear. (A war of attrition appears to be your idea of dialogue.)


Bullshit. You're blocking because you don't want to answer, or can't, or are incapable of grasping that it's also perfectly obvious and equally perfectly fair for me to inquire what precisely you think happened to the corpse that it's convenient for them to conceal, how you think it happened, what purpose the entire enterprise of framing two innocent young men served that justified the trouble, etc..

Because otherwise you're just evangelizing without thought or regard to circumstance about a world in which all things can always be attributed to spooks for any reason or none without explanation or proof, as a self-evident matter,

Much as one might to with Satan, if that was one's preferred demon of choice.

Feel free to regard all prior inquiries along those lines as rhetorical questions if you don't in fact have a more detailed case to make. Just don't lay it off on me.

The request for explanation and/or chapter and verse and/or retraction wrt my interesting comment, on the other hand, still stands.

Thanks.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Jerky » Wed May 08, 2013 9:06 pm

FourthBase wrote:"But I was called a goose!"


I don't know why, but I ROTFLMFAO at that. Thanks!

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed May 08, 2013 9:08 pm

Leave it be, FB. You are not helping. The Chechnya stuff belongs in the Chechnya thread.

Back on-topic.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby compared2what? » Wed May 08, 2013 9:22 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:
It's interesting to hear you admit that such openly fascist options are already readily available in the USA.


OK, that line was ill-expressed. "Interesting" may have made me sound like Colonel Klink. But I assure you no insinuation was intended, least of all at your expense. Perhaps I should have said something like:

You acknowledge in passing that such openly fascist options are already readily available in the USA.


The point I was attempting to make was that the availability and frequent use of such openly fascist options does not encourage confidence that the surviving brother can expect a fair trial just because he's not currently confined to their very worst dungeon on the island of Cuba. Nor can we trust the official yarn about the corpse of Tamerlan (or "Tamerlan") just because they didn't actually dump it on that island or in the ocean. A state that reserves such fascist methods for terrorist suspects (dead or alive) in Guantanamo Bay can also employ such fascist methods against terrorist suspects anywhere else within its jurisdiction (and in many places without). Again obvious, I would have thought.


Not really. There's not as much of a distinction as the advertising and promo materials suggest. But it's far from obvious that they can get away with what they do at Gitmo when they're working in the regular judicial system. In fact Gitmo itself makes it obvious that they can't count on it, at a minimum.

I agree that it doesn't encourage confidence that he can expect a fair trial. Neither does stuff like the unfair trial that, for example, Muntasser received.

But it's quite a leap from that to "they can kill and dispose of him just as effortlessly and invisibly here as there, so there's no need to account for why they opted for one rather than the other,"

It would be incalculably less convenient here than there, actually. And that being the case....Well. Never mind. I don't actually want to fight with you. I don't feel or think mean, angry things about you. And I'm sorry if I said ugly ones.

But I genuinely don't understand why you're so certain that they're going to do away with or spirit him away completely. Or how you think that's going to go down. It seems to me that any one of the unfair-treatment-of-least-effort-with-least-detectable-culpability routes that they usually use is a hell of a lot more predictable. Such as a plea, for which he'd actually have to appear in court. But which totally might be coerced along plead-guilty-or-we'll-kill-you lines, assuming that they do have a winning case, whether real or manufactured.

About which I make no assumptions, at this point. I haven't seen it. And I don't find that suspicious. They don't have to show it to the public yet. So I also find the import you attach to their not having done so difficult to understand.

And blah, blah, blah.

Thanks very much for the explanation. Sorry for the ill temper.
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ON EDIT: Although I didn't acknowledge it in passing. I was making a point about their options and the implications of which they chose to which acknowledging it was fundamental.

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed May 08, 2013 9:37 pm

compared2what? wrote:
MacCruiskeen wrote:1. It is convenient to spooks that corpses they tell stories about do not get examined by independent third parties, least of all by the next of kin.

2. It was predictable (therefore) that that particular corpse would never be independently examined by the next of kin or by anyone else.

Perfectly obvious, I would have thought. But there it is, spelt out for you again again. Let me know if anything's still unclear. (A war of attrition appears to be your idea of dialogue.)


Bullshit. You're blocking because you don't want to answer, or can't, or are incapable of grasping that it's also perfectly obvious and equally perfectly fair for me to inquire what precisely you think happened to the corpse that it's convenient for them to conceal, how you think it happened, what purpose the entire enterprise of framing two innocent young men served that justified the trouble, etc..


I don't have the burden of proof. How could I? But I'm happy to share my thoughts.

what precisely you think happened to the corpse that it's convenient for them to conceal


I think they might not be telling the truth about how it died and who killed it. And if they're not telling the truth about that body, then I think they wouldn't want that body examined independently.

how you think it happened


I think it might have been run over by a cop after having been shot multiple times by cops. I think it's also possible that it was first shot multiple times by cops, then beaten or tortured to death. I mean, look at it.

what purpose the entire enterprise of framing two innocent young men served that justified the trouble


1. As a refresher and bracing reminder for the great American public and the rest of the world. 2. The same purpose as it has served for the last eleven years and eight months: namely, (in the absence of the Red Scare) as a justification for anything and everything, most of it very lucrative.

Perhaps it also serves some foreign-policy purpose involving Russia, Chechnya and a realignment in the International War on Terror, i.e., for Dwindling Resources, but I can't prove that either. You would have to ask someone who knows.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed May 08, 2013 10:05 pm

Jerky wrote:
FourthBase wrote:"But I was called a goose!"


I don't know why, but I ROTFLMFAO at that. Thanks!

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Wed May 08, 2013 10:08 pm

Leave it be, FB. You are not helping. The Chechnya stuff belongs in the Chechnya thread.

Back on-topic.


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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed May 08, 2013 10:14 pm

c2w wrote:But I genuinely don't understand why you're so certain that they're going to do away with or spirit him away completely. Or how you think that's going to go down. It seems to me that any one of the unfair-treatment-of-least-effort-with-least-detectable-culpability routes that they usually use is a hell of a lot more predictable. Such as a plea, for which he'd actually have to appear in court. But which totally might be coerced along plead-guilty-or-we'll-kill-you lines, assuming that they do have a winning case, whether real or manufactured.


Please remember, first of all, that I was posting on a blog message board, about 90 pages into an ongoing discussion. My "certainty" was a rhetorical intervention. "DZHOKHAR TSARNAEV IS INNOCENT" (UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY) struck me as a very necessary thing to say, because the media shitstorm had already had its effect on the posters to this board, who were practically all convinced of his guilt just because of the power of incessant TV suggestion.

I genuinely don't understand why you're so certain that they're going to do away with or spirit him away completely.


I genuinely don't understand why you think we'll ever see any more of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev than we have seen of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed since (and índeed during) his "trial".

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Serious question: Do you really believe the US state would allow itself to be humiliated by losing this case? Do you really believe he has any chance of being found not-guilty, even if he is not guilty? Because I don't. He is a dead man (for -- if any news reports at all about this case are to be trusted -- he has in fact pleaded not guilty). Or rather, he is a dead boy.

And I do believe he is not guilty. Because I have seen not a single solitary scrap of actual evidence against him anywhere, and much to suggest that he was as surprised as anyone else by both the bombing itself and by his own horrible fate.

To wit:

MacCruiskeen wrote:If you were a 19-year-old student and really intending to STRIKE A BLOW FOR ISLAM by risking your own freedom and entire future and perhaps your very life, would you -

- contruct two pretty crappy and relatively ineffective little bombs?

- set them off at the tail end of the Boston Marathon, and thereby succeed only in killing three harmless bystanders at random, one of them a child and one a foreigner?

- worry not a whit about the presence of a thousand cameras (including surveillance cameras AND TV CAMERAS) at the Boston Marathon finishing-line?

- go to a party and go to the gym next day?

- post no message or manifesto or demand?

- post (instead) numerous trivial and nonchalant messages on Twitter and Facebook?

- be so ice-cool in your EVIL MURDEROUS ISLAMIST RUTHLESSNESS that not one of your friends and acquaintances noticed even the tiniest change in your normally pleasant and friendly demeanour?

- hang around the city of Boston for days on end doing your normal everyday thang, indoors and out, while the world's mass media reported on the FBI's "feverish" efforts to find the culprits?

- make not the slightest effort to hide or escape?

Would you? Would you really?

Like hell you would.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Thu May 09, 2013 7:29 am

Basically another case of how "anti"-whatever agents stoop to what it is they say they are fighting. Gladio operations like this one mirror the FBI's more recent success/failure at enabling terrorism remarkably.

Crossposted at posting.php?mode=reply&f=8&t=36091 for relevance (sorry I couldn't find anything in English):
Historiker: Darum plante mein Vater das Wiesn-Attentat
Helmut Reister, 05.05.2013 07:00 Uhr

Andreas Kramer spricht im AZ-Interview über die Hintergründe von 1980: „Mein Vater hat Gundolf Köhler angeworben und die Bombe gebaut.“

München - Der Duisburger Historiker Andreas Kramer (49) sorgte mit einer spektakulären Aussage in einem Prozess in Luxemburg für Aufsehen. Das Oktoberfest-Attentat im September 1980, bei dem 13 Menschen ums Leben kamen und mehr als 200 verletzt wurden, sei von seinem Vater geplant worden. Er habe zusammen mit Gundolf Köhler (21) auch die Bombe gebaut. Der AZ gab er ein exklusives Interview.

AZ: Herr Kramer, Sie haben vor Gericht unter Eid ausgesagt, dass der Geheimdienst hinter dem Bombenanschlag auf das Münchner Oktoberfest steckt. Sind Sie sich da ganz sicher?
ANDREAS KRAMER: Natürlich bin ich mir sicher, sonst würde ich so einen schweren Vorwurf nicht erheben. Es war mein Vater, der maßgeblich daran beteiligt war. Er hat es mir selbst erzählt.

Den offiziellen Ermittlungen zufolge war es aber der Geologie-Student Gundolf Köhler, der die Bombe zündete. Und er soll aus eigenem Antrieb und alleine gehandelt haben.
Die offizielle Darstellung, an der es ohnehin genügend Zweifel gibt, ist ein Märchen. Der Terrorakt war eine gezielte und lange vorbereitete Aktion des Bundesnachrichtendienstes, für den mein Vater gearbeitet hat und in dessen Auftrag er auch gehandelt hat.

Ihr Vater war doch Offizier der Bundeswehr.
Das Eine schließt das Andere ja nicht aus. Seine Beschäftigung bei der Bundeswehr war eine perfekte Tarnung. Ab Mitte der 60er Jahre war er aber in erster Linie Agent des BND.

Welche Gründe kann es denn geben, dass der BND einen Terrorakt – und dazu noch diesen Ausmaßes – verübt? Das ergibt doch keinen Sinn.
Das ergibt schon einen Sinn, wenn man sich mit den politischen Hintergründen dieser Zeit beschäftigt. Das Schlüsselwort dafür lautet „Gladio“. Durch Untersuchungen in anderen Ländern, vor allem in Italien, weiß man inzwischen, dass unter Federführung der CIA und unter Einbindung europäischer Geheimdienste nach dem Krieg ein geheimes paramilitärisches Netzwerk in verschiedenen Ländern Europas errichtet wurde.

Welchen Zweck sollte denn so eine Organisation haben?
Die Italiener schufen dafür den Begriff „Strategie der Spannung“. Mit Terrorakten sollte die Bevölkerung verunsichert werden und den Ruf nach einem starken Staat fördern. Dahinter steckte in Zeiten des Kalten Krieges die Angst vor zunehmendem Einfluss des Kommunismus in Europa. Das sollte unter allen Umständen verhindert werden. Auch mit Gewalt.

Und das funktionierte?
Am Beispiel Italiens wurde das ja deutlich genug, wie inzwischen feststeht. Eine Vielzahl von Anschlägen, die zunächst linken Extremisten wie den Roten Brigaden in die Schuhe geschoben wurden, entpuppten sich später als Inzenierungen staatlicher Stellen, die mit Faschisten und Kriminellen zusammenarbeiteten. Diese Strategie wurde auch in Deutschland betrieben. Mein Vater, der enge Kontakte zu Geheimdiensten in anderen Ländern unterhielt, spielte dabei eine maßgebliche und sehr aktive Rolle.

Wie sah diese Rolle genau aus?
Er beschaffte über die Bundeswehr große Mengen an Kriegsmaterial. Schusswaffen, Granaten, Panzerfäuste, Sprengstoff. Das wurde in geheimen, meist unterirdischen Lagern versteckt und sollte bei einer Invasion der Sowjetunion den Gladio-Truppen für Sabotageakte zur Verfügung stehen. Mein Vater betreute, so viel ich von ihm weiß, mindestens 50 solcher Lager.

Von unterirdischen Waffenlagern bis zum Attentat auf dem Oktoberfest ist aber ein langer Weg. Wie passt das denn zusammen?
Das passt sehr gut zusammen. Die Gladio-Truppen bestanden zu einem erheblichen Teil aus Neonazis und Rechtsextremisten. Gundolf Köhler, der Bombenleger von München und in der rechtsradikalen Szene eng vernetzt, war von meinem Vater angeworben worden. Er hat sich mehrmals mit ihm an seinem Wohnort in Donaueschingen getroffen, er hat die Komponenten für die Bombe besorgt, er hat sie zusammen mit Gundolf Köhler und einigen anderen Geheimdienstmitarbeitern gebaut.

Ihr Vater hat die Bombe gebaut? Und er hat auch gewusst, wofür sie eingesetzt werden sollte?
Ja. Die Vorbereitungen für den Anschlag haben eineinhalb Jahre gedauert. Genau genommen wurden in einer Garage in Donaueschingen sogar drei Bomben gebaut. Eine wurde bei einem Test gezündet, eine andere in München verwendet. Was mit der dritten Bombe geschah, weiß ich nicht.

Und das geschah mit Billigung des Bundesnachrichtendienstes? Oder handelte Ihr Vater nach eigener Überzeugung abseits der Befehlskette?
Das geschah nicht nur mit Billigung, sondern im Auftrag höchster Militär- und Geheimdienstkreise. Gladio war ja eine Organisation, die von der Nato eingefädelt worden war.

Die Existenz von Gladio wurde erst in diesem Jahrtausend überhaupt der Öffentlichkeit bekannt. Die Bundesregierung, die sich in Zusammenhang mit dem Bestehen von Gladio sehr zurückhaltend geäußert hat, erklärte aber, dass die Waffenlager schon zu Beginn der 70er Jahre aufgelöst worden sind und Gladio danach keine weiteren nennenswerten Aktivitäten entwickelte.
Das ist schlichtweg falsch. Zu dieser Zeit ging es ja erst richtig los.

War ihr Vater ein Nazi?
Nein, ein Nazi war er nicht. Er war sicherlich politisch sehr rechts stehend, der NPD nahe. Und er ordnete sich den Befehlsstrukturen, die bei der Bundeswehr und den Geheimdiensten bestehen, vorbehaltlos unter.

Ihren Schilderungen zufolge muss er aber völlig skrupellos gewesen sein, wenn er an den Planungen des Oktoberfestanschlags und am Bau der Bombe in dieser Form beteiligt war.
Mein Vater war ein Mörder. Skrupellosigkeit ist da wahrscheinlich eine Voraussetzung. Ich weiß nur, dass ihn die schrecklichen Folgen des Attentats hinterher sehr bewusst geworden sind. „Das habe ich nicht gewollt“, hat er mir gesagt. Eine Entschuldigung dafür gibt es aber natürlich letztendlich nicht.

Ihr Vater hat Sie über seine Tätigkeit, um es sehr neutral auszudrücken, ins Vertrauen gezogen. War das nicht sehr belastend für Sie?
Als die Bombe in München hoch ging, war ich 17 und habe das ganze Ausmaß und die Hintergründe sicherlich nicht erkannt. Aber dass er dadurch zum Mörder geworden ist, war mir klar. Das hat sich natürlich auch auf unser Verhältnis ausgewirkt – und ich wusste nicht, wie ich damit umgehen sollte.

Haben Sie daran gedacht, sich an die Polizei oder die Staatsanwaltschaft zu wenden?
Daran gedacht habe ich schon. Aber wer hätte mir, einem Jugendlichen, unter diesen Umständen schon geglaubt?

Hat das Münchner Attentat ihren Vater letztendlich verändert?
Welche Auswirkungen in seiner Psyche dadurch ausgelöst wurden, kann ich nur sehr schwer beurteilen. Nach außen hin war nichts Gravierendes erkennbar. Er hat ja auch weitergemacht. In Luxemburg findet zur Zeit der Prozess gegen zwei ehemalige Elite-Polizisten statt, die für rund 20 Bombenanschläge Mitte der 80er Jahre verantwortlich gemacht werden. Auch in diesem Fall zog mein Vater im Hintergrund maßgeblich die Fäden. Ich bin dazu ja als Zeuge unter Eid ausführlich vernommen worden.

Haben Sie jetzt nach Ihrer Aussage und den schweren Vorwürfen gegen die Geheimdienste Angst? Angst um ihr Leben?
Es hat in Zusammenhang mit dem Oktoberfest-Attentat und Gladio merkwürdige Todesfälle gegeben. Daran denke ich natürlich. Aber das hält mich nicht davon ab, die Wahrheit zu sagen.

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby dbcooper41 » Thu May 09, 2013 11:08 am

http://www.wral.com/top-boston-cop-ok-with-more-cameras-in-city/12427762/

WASHINGTON — Boston's police commissioner told lawmakers conducting the first
congressional hearing on the Marathon bombings that government should tighten
security around celebratory public events and consider using more undercover
officers, special police units and technology, including surveillance cameras —
but only in ways that don't run afoul of civil liberties.

"I do not endorse actions that move Boston and our nation into a police state
mentality, with surveillance cameras attached to every light pole in the city,"
Commissioner Edward Davis said in prepared remarks for the House Homeland
Security Committee. "We do not and cannot live in a protective enclosure because
of the actions of extremists who seek to disrupt our way of life."

Investigators used surveillance video from a restaurant near one of the
explosions to help identify Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who died in a police shootout,
and his younger brother, Dzhokhar, who survived, as the bombing suspects
.
"Images from cameras do not lie. They do not forget," Davis said. "They can be
viewed by a jury as evidence of what occurred. These efforts are not intended to
chill or stifle free speech, but rather to protect the integrity and freedom of
that speech and to protect the rights of victims and suspects alike."
The Associated Press obtained a copy of Davis' remarks.

The hearing on Capitol Hill comes less than three weeks after Dzhokhar
Tsarnaev's arrest. The committee chairman, Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, said it
will be the first in a series of hearings to review the government's initial
response, what information authorities received about the brothers before the
bombings and whether they handled it correctly. The FBI and CIA separately
received vague warnings from Russia's government in 2011 that Tamerlan Tsarnaev
and his mother were religious militants.

"What we want to know is ... what happened that day, what mistakes may have been
made and what we can do in the future to prevent another terrorist attack on
American soil," McCaul told the AP.
No one from the federal government was expected to testify at Thursday's
hearing.

Davis had harsh words for the bombing suspects, calling them "cowardly" and
"reprehensible deviants."

The Massachusetts homeland security director, Kurt Schwartz, and former Sen. Joe
Lieberman of Connecticut also were scheduled to testify.
Davis and Schwartz said in their prepared remarks that federal homeland security
money spent since the 2001 terror attacks has benefited Boston, and they urged
Congress not to reduce that spending.


In his written testimony, Lieberman said the "homeland defense system failed in
Boston."

Lieberman, former chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Government
Affairs Committee, co-wrote the legislation that created the Homeland Security
Department and overhauled the U.S. intelligence system after the 9/11 attacks.
His committee held hearings examining the threat of radicalization and homegrown
terrorism in the U.S. It also issued a report on the government's failure to
prevent the deadly 2009 mass shootings at Fort Hood, Texas.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu May 09, 2013 11:12 am

After he had broken free, power was cut to four transit lines between Midtown and Upper Manhattan as police searched for Vuktilaj, a Metropolitan Transportation Authority spokeswoman said. The shutdown lasted nearly 90 minutes.

Thousands of passengers were stuck on subway platforms as authorities prowled the subterranean tunnels, hunting for the teenager.

One train was trapped between stations when power was shut and a "rescue train" was sent for the 515 passengers, said MTA spokeswoman Marissa Baldeo.


Handcuffed fugitive captured after halting New York subways
May 06, 2013|Chris Francescani | Reuters


A man waits for the subway at the Times Square stop in New York. (Andrew Burton/Reuters)

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A handcuffed teenage fugitive was captured by New York police on Monday six hours after he escaped custody by knocking over a detective and fleeing into the city's subway system, forcing a partial shutdown of four train lines, officials said.

What seemed to be a routine arrest turned into a frantic manhunt when Vincens Vuktilaj, 17, broke free upon being led out of his Harlem apartment Monday morning.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby hiddenite » Thu May 09, 2013 1:20 pm

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/didnt-contribute/00f0564d07f9f087e7df86212749b85e9558d432/

For now, I want to start with one of the biggest "What The Fuck?!" elements of the bombing story, a detail so far completely overlooked: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's high school project "mentor," Brian Glyn Williams. Brian Glyn Williams happens to work for the CIA, on Islamic suicide bombers, Chechnya, and jihadi terrorism. Williams is also an associate professor of history at the University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth, the university where 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was enrolled, and where he spent many of his last free hours between the Boston Marathon bombing on April 15, and his arrest on April 19.

The day after Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was arrested, Brian Glyn Williams, the CIA man at U Mass-Dartmouth, confessed to a local reporter for the New Bedford Standard-Times,

"I hope I didn't contribute to it."


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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby hiddenite » Thu May 09, 2013 1:22 pm

bit more................................".There's another link to the Tsarnaev brothers' story that wasn't so much overlooked as it was avoided as just too weird: That angry Chechen uncle of theirs in Maryland, the clean-cut attorney who called his nephews "losers"—Uncle Ruslan Tsarni (neé Tsarnaev) —who was married to the daughter of ex-CIA officer Graham Fuller. What hasn't been reported about Fuller is that he was the CIA's station chief in Kabul, Afghanistan in the late 1970s — when, according to Zbigniew Brzezinski, the CIA planted a trap for the Soviet Union, in the form of radicals who overthrew the Soviet-backed regime, sparking the disastrous invasion and occupation that eventually destroyed the Soviet Union, and gave rise to Al Qaeda and radical jihadis in their place.

So Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's former uncle-in-law was the top CIA officer in Kabul who brought down communism and empowered Islamic jihadi radicals; and when he was just 16 years old, Dzhokhar's high school project "mentor" was also a CIA specialist on Islamic terrorism, suicide bombers, and Chechnya."
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