Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[stillrobertpaulsen]

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/didnt-contribute/00f0564d07f9f087e7df86212749b85e9558d432/

For now, I want to start with one of the biggest "What The Fuck?!" elements of the bombing story, a detail so far completely overlooked: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's high school project "mentor," Brian Glyn Williams. Brian Glyn Williams happens to work for the CIA, on Islamic suicide bombers, Chechnya, and jihadi terrorism. Williams is also an associate professor of history at the University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth, the university where 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was enrolled, and where he spent many of his last free hours between the Boston Marathon bombing on April 15, and his arrest on April 19.

The day after Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was arrested, Brian Glyn Williams, the CIA man at U Mass-Dartmouth, confessed to a local reporter for the New Bedford Standard-Times,

"I hope I didn't contribute to it."


The article is "unlocked " for one more day

Whhhhhhhhhat duhhhhhhhhhhhh fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccck?

My reaction exactly! Most people have assumed Dzhokhar's radicalization was strictly through his brother (or mother if you're taking the sweet MSM soma on the straight from Central Casting villain). This opens a whole new door (which looks remarkably like the door Tamerlan may have walked through in Dagestan!) Thanks for the great link and thanks to Mark Ames. Now that's what I call digging!

Oh, in other news, they buried Tamerlan.

Police: Dead Boston bombing suspect buried
Associated PressBy JAY LINDSAY and MICHELLE R. SMITH | Associated Press – 1 hr 38 mins ago


BOSTON (AP) — Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev has been buried in an undisclosed location outside the city of Worcester, police said Thursday after a frustrating weeklong search for a community willing to take the body.

"As a result of our public appeal for help, a courageous and compassionate individual came forward to provide the assistance needed to properly bury the deceased," Worcester police said in a statement.

Sgt. Kerry Hazelhurst said the body was no longer in Worcester and is now entombed. Police did not specify where the body was taken.

Tsarnaev's body had been at the Graham Putnam & Mahoney Funeral Parlors. Director Peter Stefan had said he could not find a community willing to take the body, including Cambridge, where the family had lived for a decade. Tsarnaev's uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, had custody of the body.

Meanwhile, Tsarnaev's widow continues to face questions from federal authorities and has hired a criminal lawyer with experience defending terrorism cases.

Katherine Russell added New York lawyer Joshua Dratel to her legal team, her attorney Amato DeLuca said Wednesday. Dratel has represented a number of terrorism suspects in federal courts and military commissions, including Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detainee David Hicks, who attended an al-Qaida-linked training camp in Afghanistan.

Dratel's "unique, specialized experience" will help ensure that Russell "can assist in the ongoing investigation in the most constructive way possible," DeLuca said in a statement.

He said Russell, who has not been charged with any crime, will continue to meet with investigators as "part of a series of meetings over many hours where she has answered questions."

Providence-based DeLuca and Miriam Weizenbaum have been representing Russell, who is from Rhode Island. They specialize in civil cases such as personal injury law.

An FBI spokeswoman wouldn't comment when asked Wednesday whether Russell is cooperating. DeLuca has said Russell had no reason to suspect her husband and his brother in the deadly April 15 bombing.

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, ethnic Chechen brothers from southern Russia and living in Massachusetts, are accused of planting two shrapnel-packed pressure-cooker bombs near the marathon finish line, killing three people and injuring about 260.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-dead-bosto ... 02538.html

[beeline]

OK, I'll take the bait. Let me put myself in the hypothetical shoes of Dzokhar:

If you were a 19-year-old student and really intending to STRIKE A BLOW FOR ISLAM by risking your own freedom and entire future and perhaps your very life, would you -

- contruct two pretty crappy and relatively ineffective little bombs?

I wouldn't describe them as 'crappy' or 'ineffective' at all, considering they were ostensibly made from a pressure cooker, fireworks-grade gunpowder, ten-penny nails and BBs, killed three people, injured another 260+/- and would have killed many more if not for the actions of passerby and first responders, and the staff of no less than five hospitals.

- set them off at the tail end of the Boston Marathon, and thereby succeed only in killing three harmless bystanders at random, one of them a child and one a foreigner?

Four hours and ten minutes into the race is precisely the time I would have set them off, as this is when the average marathoner finishes, ergo,at this point, the maximum amount of runners and those cheering them on would be present.

- worry not a whit about the presence of a thousand cameras (including surveillance cameras AND TV CAMERAS) at the Boston Marathon finishing-line?

They may or may not have been aware of surveillance cameras--they were identified by one coming from a restaurant, of all places. How many restaurants have surveillance cameras? Not many.

Furthermore, the presence of surveillance cameras does little or nothing to stop people from say, holding up a bank or robbing a convenience store, places where people know they are in the lens-eye. After all, one has to be readily identified by another party for the cameras to work.

- go to a party and go to the gym next day?

Yes, I would do this, if I wanted it to appear that I was not responsible, much in the same way that I would go about my usual business so as not to get caught if I stole a car, robbed a bank, et cetera.

- post no message or manifesto or demand?

See above, act normal, don't draw any attention to yourself.

- post (instead) numerous trivial and nonchalant messages on Twitter and Facebook?

To me, the most telling Twiiter remark was "I'm a stress free kind of guy," which translates as "I AM STRESSED THE FUCK OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT DOING MY BEST NOT TO APPEAR SO"

- be so ice-cool in your EVIL MURDEROUS ISLAMIST RUTHLESSNESS that not one of your friends and acquaintances noticed even the tiniest change in your normally pleasant and friendly demeanour?

Again, act cool, and all will be well.

- hang around the city of Boston for days on end doing your normal everyday thang, indoors and out, while the world's mass media reported on the FBI's "feverish" efforts to find the culprits?

See above.

- make not the slightest effort to hide or escape?

Ah, but they did, once their pictures were posted and they knew the jig was up. And where would they go, exactly, to escape a nationwide manhunt, had they planned an escape? Canada? Mexico? Chechnya? That's why they didn't plan an 'escape' per se, but rather another attack.

Again, this is just my own personal theory. I don't think much thought was given to an 'escape,' more like, 'well, if they start closing in on us, we'll go out with a bang.' Or several bangs.

[Burnt Hill]

And if you held the belief that they were crappy and ineffective bombs, wouldnt that lead you to believe they were made by "amateurs"?
I agree with the pov you present beeline, hope that doesnt get you in trouble.

[beeline]

I agree with the pov you present beeline, hope that doesnt get you in trouble.

LOL thanks BH, I think 'guilt by association' is still frowned upon 'round these parts.

[Burnt Hill]

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130420/NEWS/304200341

It was a perfectly logical thing to do. English teacher Steve Matteo at Cambridge Rindge and Latin High School put his Chechen-born student in touch with a friend who happens to be one of the top experts on Chechnya, UMass Dartmouth's Brian Glyn Williams.That was two years ago. The assignment was to have each student in the very diverse class research their own ethnicity and write about it. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, whose family fled the horrors of the Russian occupation, was about to learn about some harrowing things he escaped from at a very young age.

Williams, whose classes on the War on Terror are routinely packed, obliged by exchanging emails with the then-17-year-old student.

There was a lot to read about. Especially since the Russians retook the tiny separatist republic, there are stories of mass killings, death camps, mass graves, torture, destruction.

There were retaliatory strikes inside Russia, including a hostage drama in a Moscow theater. Russia in the end sent 100,000 troops to surround Chechnya to keep it under their thumb.

As Williams put it, an ancient civilization was being wiped away. As many as one-fifth of the Chechen population of less than a million died in those years.

On Friday morning, Williams awoke to hear that this young man was the suspect being sought in the Boston Marathon bombing Monday.

Williams shot me an email. I phoned him and at one point I heard a rare twinge of worry in his voice. "I hope I didn't contribute to it. That kid and his brother identified with the Chechen struggle," he said.

Matteo said he couldn't talk to me, which is understandable given the circumstances.

But Williams recalled the student clearly, though the two never met and communicated by email, Williams sending him links to academic papers he's published and books he recommended.

"He was learning his Chechen identity, identifying with the diaspora and identifying with his homeland," he said.

"He wanted to learn more about Chechnya, who the fighters were, who the commanders were. I sort of gave him background." Those who are curious can read Williams' material on his website.

But Tsarnaev's older brother Tamerlan had taken things to a new level. Friendless in the United States, he returned to Russia for six months last year and was drawn in by the story.

"If there is trauma in the homeland, I think some in the diaspora become radicalized and that causes them to resort to terror," Williams said.
Tsaraev may have simply followed his older brother's lead.In Williams' view, Chechnya has an undeserved reputation as a hatchery of terrorists, including al-Qaida and the Taliban.

"Foreign fighters did come in and radicalized people," Williams said. For some, "they transformed the form of war from a national one to a full-blown terrorist jihad."

But he charges there is no basis for an al-Qaida link, or even a Taliban link, for that matter. But years of Russian disinformation, 9/11, and a sloppy American media worsened Chechnya's reputation.

In a book to be published next year, "Inferno in the Caucus: The Chechen insurgency and the Mirage of Al Qaeda," he says that no matter what the Chechens are, "they are not al-Qaida. Repeat: They are not al-Qaida."

Steve Urbon's column appears in The Standard-Times and SouthCoastToday.com. He can be reached at 508-979-4448 or surbon@s-t.com.

On Edit- highlighted text as promised all other highlights were already there.

[8bitagent]

I personally see no reason to think these brothers are "innocent". Brainwashed by some unknown factor? I mean yeah its strange and highly convenient...the suspect's uncle was the live in son in law of a powerful CIA official who also was an expert in that particular region. Who said militant Islam is a useful tool to destabilize regions, and whose address was used by Uncle Ruslan(the first family to call these boys guilty) for his chechen militant funding group. The suspects wife is allegedly the granddaughter of a prominent energy head/skull and bones alumni.

But most convenient is the fact that the Mohammed Atta of the case, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed and only the clueless 19 year old survived. Who claims that they acted alone(like Mcveigh did)

Still though...still I have not seen any "aha!" factors to indicate that they didnt act alone, let alone that they were "framed" or hand handlers. I definitely believe they were proud in dropping off the bombs and the cambridge/waterton aftermath.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130420/NEWS/304200341

In a book to be published next year, "Inferno in the Caucus: The Chechen insurgency and the Mirage of Al Qaeda," he says that no matter what the Chechens are, "they are not al-Qaida. Repeat: They are not al-Qaida."

GodFuckingDammit! What about your employer, huh, Mr. Williams? "they are not al-CIAda. Repeat: They are not al-CIAda." Just keep repeating in an endless loop.

[Burnt Hill]

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130420/NEWS/304200341

In a book to be published next year, "Inferno in the Caucus: The Chechen insurgency and the Mirage of Al Qaeda," he says that no matter what the Chechens are, "they are not al-Qaida. Repeat: They are not al-Qaida."

GodFuckingDammit! What about your employer, huh, Mr. Williams? "they are not al-CIAda. Repeat: They are not al-CIAda." Just keep repeating in an endless loop.

Allow me to highlight that for you/all.

[slimmouse]

The crucial point here I surmise is this.

Understanding that the people who essentially created the Tsarneavs, openly and knowingly funded the Jihadi radicals who trained them is clearly not a "conspiracy theory."

I still largely doubt that they did it personally, but does that really matter, strictly within the bigger picture that is?

All roads lead to further inexorable proof that the control system is essentially a corrupt greedy, lying murdering few, who couldnt give a shit about your average human. In fact heres some in your face proof of how they love spending our own money perpetuating our own misery.

[MacCruiskeen]

Beeline argues that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is guilty because (wait for it...you won't regret it ... .cue drumroll)... he acted so goddam innocent! And if that isn't suspicious, beeline doesn't know what is.

8bit, meanwhile, thinks this intuition worth sharing with us:

I personally see no reason to think these brothers are "innocent"

No explanation of the scare quotes. Anyway, such routine reversal of the burden of proof is now apparently de rigeur for all good liberals on this board and off it, although any talk of rigour is clearly misplaced. Intuitions, by contrast, are still all the rage:

I definitely believe they were proud in dropping off the bombs and the cambridge/waterton aftermath.

Case closed, I guess. There's no arguing with such definite belief, not about the Bad Guys' pride, nor about their guilt. Nothing can exonerate young Dzhokhar now. The boy is damned whatever he did do or didn't do.

PS I believe for every drop of rain that falls / A flower grows. Just thought I'd share that with you.

[Burnt Hill]

People are entitled to their opinion and this is not a courtroom, this is a forum that at least in part encourages you to use your intuition. Argue the facts as you perceive them, not against the personalities that you are biased towards.

"Every time I hear a new born baby cry,
Or touch a leaf or see the sky.
Then I know why, "
I believe.
Frankie Laine

[beeline]

Beeline argues that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is guilty because (wait for it...you won't regret it ... .cue drumroll)... he acted so goddam innocent! And if that isn't suspicious, beeline doesn't know what is.

LOL I never said he was 'guilty,' that is for a jury of his peers to decide.

What I did was answer, hypothetically, to the best of my ability, the questions you had posed, if I were Dzokhar. Which, obviously, I am not.

However, I am entitled to offer my insight, as it were, as much as you are to offer yours.

Just one man's humble opinion, that's all.

[MacCruiskeen]

People are entitled to their opinion and this is not a courtroom, this is a forum that at least in part encourages you to use your intuition. Argue the facts as you perceive them, not against the personalities that you are biased towards.

Christ!! I'm sorry! I thought this was a courtroom! I thought no one was entitled to his opinion!

Sheesh, what came over me? [Note to self: Cut down on the ketamine.] And I must remember from now on to argue the facts as I perceive them, as opposed to actually responding to actual posters' posts.

[Burnt Hill]

Or continue to take things out of context!

[MacCruiskeen]

Request: Can anyone tell me where I can find an actual copy of the death certificate for Tamerlan Tsarnaev?

A week ago, the rags were full of the news that it had been "released". So where is it?

I've tried the website of the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for the State of Massachusetts, which is where I would have expected to find it, but no luck.

Thanks for any assistance.

Google results for 'death certificate tamerlan tsarnaev'