Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[Iamwhomiam]

Death certificates in New York have to be filed with our state department of health office of vital statistics. Perhaps that's where you might obtain a copy, but I think it will be a certified hard copy sent to you via snail mail. Here's a link.
There's more you need to do to identify your reason for wanting it, though.

Great find hiddenite.

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.c-span.org/

Congress Holds First Hearing on Boston Bombing
Former Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) testifies alongside Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis and emergency officials for the first Congressional hearing examining the April 15 Boston bombing. The House Homeland Security Committee holds the session.

[DrEvil]

The cause of death was released, read out loud to the press. The death certificate wasn't released.

[compared2what?]

I was about to provide the very same link for vital records requests as Iamwhomiam. WTH. This one here.

You can get a certified copy for between $28 - $45, depending on how you order it.

My advice is that if it doesn't say how long it takes to process while you're ordering, (a) ask; (b) ask if there's an expedited-request process; and (c) under what circumstance fees (if any) are waived for it, if so.

You're dealing with civil servants. So think like a bureaucrat, sting like a bee.



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ON EDIT: There's not a ton of information on them though, fyi. Most (maybe all) of it will just be what's been in the press about the cause of death on a certified copy of the form, plus place of death, birth, ss# maybe, etc.

Is there some particular piece of information you're looking for, Mac?

Because there's a reasonable chance that it might be somewhere on a gettable public record in this instance, if so, wrt Tamerlan. Depends on....Well. It depends. You might be able to get it, if so, though.

[compared2what?]

People are entitled to their opinion and this is not a courtroom, this is a forum that at least in part encourages you to use your intuition. Argue the facts as you perceive them, not against the personalities that you are biased towards.

"Every time I hear a new born baby cry,
Or touch a leaf or see the sky.
Then I know why, "
I believe.
Frankie Laine

Bully.

[Burnt Hill]

^
So some questions at this point-?
Did Dzhokhars High School teacher point him towards Glyn Williams with the intent of culturing a terrorist?
And then did Williams intentionally culture a terrorist by providing him Historical and Cultural information about Chechnya? Or even worse did Williams actively help him plan the actual bombing and provide him with sources? And even so are the brothers then no longer culpable- or "personally responsible" for the alleged crime? Assuming all the dark forces are at play could the brothers not walk away from the plot? Was their own 'diaspora" the driving force? Or were they brainwashed to the point of ignorance as towards what they were really doing? Not anyone can be brainwashed/hypnotized, but these susceptible brothers were just who the masterminds were waiting for- to commit a crime that will help enforce a police state? The "coinidence theory" can be seen both ways.

[FourthBase]

I have a question, too. If someone here, or from Reddit or 4chan, had thoroughly investigated via googling the backgrounds of every reminiscer of the Tsarnaevs, the most significant ones first, how soon could Williams have been outed as a stinking-to-hell CIA tool? Meaning, if I had been listened to the first, second, or third time I proposed doing exactly that. Serious question.

[Burnt Hill]

Why would Dzhokhar be handled by an open CIA asset? Why bring the attention to the agency? Wouldnt Williams ignore the e-mails and get on the batphone to a deeper agent? Assuming Williams is part of the plot? Is Matteo part of the plot too?

[lupercal]

Why would Dzhokhar be handled by an open CIA asset? Why bring the attention to the agency? Wouldnt Williams ignore the e-mails and get on the batphone to a deeper agent? Assuming Williams is part of the plot? Is Matteo part of the plot too?

Good point. This Williams character is interesting but not necessarily a perp. More likely a red herring. For one thing he has a real job and if he was full-on CIA he most likely would either have a fake job (like the "security chief" at Lanza's high school who also ran the MK-ultra club or whatever it was called) or he would be invisible.

[FourthBase]

Guys, what if the perps-in-chief just simply fucked up royally, and their script and back-up script and back-up to the back-up script went totally off the fucking rails, and now they are all just standing there, de-pantsed, and all we have to do, all us citizens, is just point, at them, at their transparent horseshit and malevolence, at their tiny exposed testicles?

[FourthBase]

Guys, what if the perps-in-chief just simply fucked up royally, and their script and back-up script and back-up to the back-up script went totally off the fucking rails, and now they are all just standing there, de-pantsed, and all we have to do, all us citizens, is just point, at them, at their transparent horseshit and malevolence, at their tiny exposed testicles?

De-pantsed just like that poor bastard videotaped and basically accused of being a terrorist by that sneaky piece of dogshit Ben Thorndike, amateur photographer and heavyweight Mideast-specializing Bain crony. But hey, maybe Thorndike was onto something, i.e., maybe that was FBI-tricked Patsy #2 in Scenario 7F, and Thorndike was just doing his evil fucking job.

[FourthBase]

Guys, what if the perps-in-chief just simply fucked up royally, and their script and back-up script and back-up to the back-up script went totally off the fucking rails, and now they are all just standing there, de-pantsed, and all we have to do, all us citizens, is just point, at them, at their transparent horseshit and malevolence, at their tiny exposed testicles?

De-pantsed just like that poor bastard videotaped and basically accused of being a terrorist by that sneaky piece of dogshit Ben Thorndike, amateur photographer and heavyweight Mideast-specializing Bain crony. But hey, maybe Thorndike was onto something, i.e., maybe that was FBI-tricked Patsy #2 in Scenario 7F, and Thorndike was just doing his evil fucking job.

Of all the sloppily-identified would-be suspects who've been cleared to great aplomb by the media as an opportunity to shit on amateur journalism and detective-work, and I can only think of three actually, the well-connected-Saudi (and roommates) and the seemingly-totally-innocent Moroccan and of course Sunil "Where Did I Go, When Did I Die" Tripathi (the media has shied from the Craft/Guard team, has fawned over Tyler Hood he of the repeat lies (?) about military service and he of the two Bacon degrees from Chris "Craft" Kyle via Stars Earn Stripes, has lent Ben Thorndike their fucking bullhorn, has ignored the shabby Unabomber-ish white guy entirely, has ignored Katherine Russell's patrilineage, has ignored Graham Fuller being Uncle Tsarni's live-in father-in-law, has ignored the Alamoudi-BFF Grover Norquist headlining a rally on Boston Common less than 48 hours before the bombing, has ignored the school mentor of a Tsarnaev oh-so-coincidentally happening to be a CIA Islamo-specialist, and we never found out who "Mulugeta" or whatever was, or the female who was escorted from the New Bedford apartment in a consular-plated vehicle -- and of course how could I forget "Misha", lol, but the NYRB came out of nowhere to solve that up real good, nothing to see, move along -- and oh fuck, "Danny" of course, who is totally not a central Asian and was just in the righ-errr-wrong place at the righ-errr-wrong time as James Alan Fox so helpfully explained to the world on behalf of "Danny")...has the Pants-Shredded Dude ever come forward, been named?

Well, there's my best impression of Hopsicker, lol. I hope he takes it as an immense compliment.

[slimmouse]

The discovery of any redherrings is more of a giveaway.

Whilst Im no longer big by way of speculation, which is what this all is - Anyone here subscribe to the "drill gone live"? Seem to have a well established history in such scenarios, or at least an extremely good case can be made for many such atrocities being carried out in this fashion.

One other question, with austerity in the air everywhere, and states hunting for financing for law enforcement, an event such as Boston would surely attract some powerful ears and carry a sympathetic hearing at federal level when it comes to the spending rounds ?

[Iamwhomiam]

Could be nothing more than a 'retired' cia station chief trying to get publicity for his book.
It could be that simple.

[Burnt Hill]

Could be nothing more than a 'retired' cia station chief trying to get publicity for his book.
It could be that simple.

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Predators
The CIA's Drone War on al Qaeda
Brian Glyn Williams

256 pages; 6" x 9"; Notes; Bibliography; Index

Clothbound

$29.95 $23.96

Available: July 2013

978-1-61234-617-5

Description:

Predators is a riveting introduction to the murky world of Predator and Reaper drones, the CIA’s and U.S. military’s most effective and controversial killing tools. Brian Glyn Williams combines policy analysis with the human drama of the spies, terrorists, insurgents, and innocent tribal peoples who have been killed in the covert operation—the CIA’s largest assassination campaign since the Vietnam War era—being waged in Pakistan’s tribal regions via remote control aircraft known as drones, or unmanned aerial vehicles.

Having traveled extensively in the Pashtun tribal areas while working for the U.S. military and the CIA, Williams explores in detail of the new technology of airborne assassinations. From miniature Scorpion missiles designed to kill terrorists while avoiding civilian “collateral damage” to prathrais, the cigarette lighter–size homing beacons spies plant on their unsuspecting targets to direct drone missiles to them, the author describes the drone arsenal in full.

Evaluating the ethics of targeted killings and drone technology, Williams covers more than a hundred drone strikes, analyzing the number of slain civilians versus the number of terrorists killed to address the claims of antidrone activists. In examining the future of drone warfare, he reveals that the U.S. military is already building more unmanned than manned aerial vehicles. Predators helps us weigh the pros and cons of the drone program so that we can decide whether it is a vital strategic asset, a “frenemy,” or a little of both.





About the Author(s)/Editor(s)

BRIAN GLYN WILLIAMS earned his first master’s at the Central Eurasian studies program at Indiana University and a second master’s in Russian history and a PhD in Central Asian history from the University of Wisconsin. Among his published works are Afghanistan Declassified: A Guide to America’s Longest War (2011) and the upcoming The Last Warlord: The Life and Legend of Dostum, the Afghan Warrior Who Led US Special Forces to Topple the Taliban Regime (2013). A tenured professor of Islamic history at the University of Massachusetts–Dartmouth, he lives in Boston.




Reviews/Endorsements:

"Predators is an insightful and intriguing introduction to the new war against Al Qaeda."—Bruce Riedel, Brookings Institute, former CIA analyst and special assistant to President Obama on terrorism in Pakistan
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“Finally a book that dispassionately shows the facts and impact on this new technology. A must read for anyone interested in the evolution of warfare.”—Dr. Marc Sageman, former CIA field officer liaison to the Afghan mujahideen and author of Understanding Terrorist Networks
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"Brian Glyn Williams succeeds in the near impossible task of providing both the most damming indictment of drones in modern warfare and a glowing endorsement of them. Never before has such a meticulous and indispensable history of drone warfare been presented. Predators is an invaluable resource for anyone seeking to better understand the contentious lethal legacy of drones in America’s Global War on Terrorism."—Matthew C. DuPée, U.S. Department of Defense Analyst for South Asia
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