Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby Simulist » Mon May 13, 2013 4:46 pm

Despite my knee-jerk (and, admittedly, sometimes just jerk) reaction simply to dismiss Whitley Strieber outright, I will resist on this occasion for one important reason: I think Whitley Strieber is connected to a bona fide unknown. In other words, I sincerely believe that — deep, deep down — Whitley Strieber has, in the opening words to his book, Transformation, "been deep into the dark and found extraordinary things there."

Having said that, Whitley Strieber also sometimes reminds me of the guy who was in his backyard digging a hole for a tree one day, and was flabbergasted when he struck oil — and so was everyone else! So surprised in fact that a bit of a tourist industry grew up around this "luckiest of the lucky," a bestselling author in his own right, whose national fame over this incident propelled him in new and unexpected directions, eventually taking the form of a sort of "seer, sage, and soothsayer." (But... not entirely. And not so fast. Because a dash of "Carnac the Magnificent" gets tossed in along the way.)

Because if Whitley Strieber is anything, he is a publicist with a gift for promoting himself.

So yes, there was SOME real oil. Of course there was. But Whitley Strieber is still mining that oil for all that it's worth, even after the well itself appears to have run dry. (It hasn't, really, but a tendency to monetize everything also has the tendency to put a cap on wells.)

What irritates me a bit about this chap is that, in his continuing efforts to promote himself and his one-time experiences, he tends to elevate them (and himself) over the equally profound treasures that lie directly beneath every-single-other-person's backyard, too — no matter how well-hidden, disguised, or unacknowledged those ubiquitous treasures may be. And usually are.

Now. That's just "me," playing my assigned part in this stage production. Simulist's opinion, as it were. But I think there is Something quite a bit deeper still — and I'm not at all sure if I can adequately describe that deeper Something this afternoon. But I'll try.

Jason Horsely wrote:Before reading Kripal’s article, I responded to him that, while I agreed with his premise, I thought there was a distinct danger that trauma-induced spirituality would be informed by the trauma, in other words, that it would be compensatory. I suggested there might be an authentic enlightenment in contrast to a form of dissociation, or fragmentation, which might feel, and even look like, enlightenment, but was not it. Learning to recognize the signs of this latter, I said, might be one of the fruits of studying a case like Strieber’s.

Indeed. However, a somewhat cautionary thought on an implication of this; namely, the idea that there is, in the final analysis, "authentic enlightenment" and "inauthentic enlightenment." Now, in one sense, this is certainly true — and so obviously true, in fact, that I'm tempted not to question it. But in another sense however, light put through a prism breaks into all sorts of colors — maybe some colors we might not currently be looking for. Colors, that if we're looking for a particular color — and that color only — might not appear fully "authentic."

In other words, the purpose of our presence in a world where all "persons" are wearing "personas" — stage masks — may not be what that purpose might so evidently seem. Because at the ultimate level, the level of real enlightenment which surpasses all words and attempts to describe it, "authentic" and "inauthentic" is a dichotomy that becomes meaningless, just as whether a character in a play is really a "good person" or a "bad person."

After all, the character, strictly speaking, is not a real person and really does not exist at all, as such.
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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby guruilla » Mon May 13, 2013 5:36 pm

The body is real - IMO.
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby Simulist » Mon May 13, 2013 5:39 pm

guruilla wrote:The body is real - IMO.

Hi Guruilla. I'd agree that the "body" is precisely as real as any-thing else, including what some mind-body dualists refer to as the "soul."

In the end though (and in my opinion of course) these real things are props in a never-ending production.
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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon May 13, 2013 6:51 pm

The material on Crucial Fictions has been hugely enjoyable. I feel really remiss in not responding in detail, but it overwhelms me with thoughts.

I have much the same problem with the constant generosity of data General Patton offers -- simply overwhelmed with internal cognition, I tend to lose my end of the conversation.

Shouts to Ty Brown for doing so much footwork on this particular subject, too.
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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby guruilla » Mon May 13, 2013 8:00 pm

Thanks - thumbs up from fellow researchers (Smiles, you) counts for a lot when battle fatigue sets in (as lately).

I couldn't help but notice it was your 5550th post also - a personal sync for me!

I was sure I'd posted a response to Simulist's last about the body but it hasn't shown up.... :?:

Habeas corpus?

Was nothing major anyway, something about the body being the bedrock and the insanity of seeking after psychic powers and other worlds when we don't even have a full understanding/experience of our five senses and of this world.
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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby Simulist » Mon May 13, 2013 8:11 pm

guruilla wrote:Thanks - thumbs up from fellow researchers (Smiles, you) counts for a lot when battle fatigue sets in (as lately).

I couldn't help but notice it was your 5550th post also - a personal sync for me!

I was sure I'd posted a response to Simulist's last about the body but it hasn't shown up.... :?:

Habeas corpus?

Was nothing major anyway, something about the body being the bedrock and the insanity of seeking after psychic powers and other worlds when we don't even have a full understanding/experience of our five senses and of this world.

I agree with you on this completely.

If we can't perceive the depth of a flower's beauty, we won't perceive infinity in the heavens, either.
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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby Simulist » Mon May 13, 2013 9:49 pm

I really resonated with this:
Jason Horsely wrote:For the first time, I realized that most of this overlapped with symptoms which I had also suffered, throughout my adult life. On top of such physical and psychological ailments, I also had night terrors as a child, usually precipitated by illness and fever and accompanied by extreme despair. I would wake from some profound dream, possessed by the visceral and overwhelming certainty that something terrible had happened to me, or to reality itself. Something had been altered in some fundamental way, and everything was now terribly and irrevocably wrong. The change I perceived was tiny, infinitesimal, yet it had somehow caused the fabric of reality to come undone, leaving me adrift on a dark, indescribably vast sea of confusion and despair. Whatever had happened, my reaction to this incomprehensible awareness, like Strieber’s, was primal: I literally fled the scene of the “violation,” desperate to get as far away from my bed, from my room, from the house, as possible. On more than one occasion I wound up in the street in my pajamas before I came to my senses. Whatever it was I was fleeing followed me, because whatever was “wrong” was everywhere—starting and ending with myself.

— from Jason Horsely's Prisoner of Infinity, Chapter 2


And, later on, this:
Jason Horsely wrote:The experience was incredible beyond belief, strange beyond my wildest imaginings, terrifying with an intensity I would not have dreamed possible. No words could do it justice.

— from Jason Horsely's Prisoner of Infinity, Chapter 2

Yes. That's it. That's it exactly.
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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby guruilla » Tue May 14, 2013 12:56 am

Simulist wrote:Yes. That's it. That's it exactly.

You have similar experiences in your past? Childhood? Any reason to suspect trauma?

(It's Horsley not Horsely, just for the record. Or Horusly. :sun: )
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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue May 14, 2013 5:03 am

...

My goodness, I see the wise gather once more.

The smiling elf with the big foot.

He savant.

The Might Wombat of course.

He make many mistakes.

He come good in end.

Gnostic rapping good!

Simulist, one of the brightest and best!

Lilypat.

What the gild? What the Lily?
Canst meta program better than Lilley?

Ah the Guruilla!

Surely my close, perhaps the closest, of my brethren.

Reading you sent my head into a spin more than just about anything, Guruilla.

Except maybe WiH.

And er loads of other stuff that frankly I daren't even read.

I read too much.

Not just a touch too much, either.

Akashic records make head spin.

And up and down I go like yo yo.

I shouldn't say these things.

I should shut up.

But the wise gather.

I write my notes for you, the wise.

Yet I know 'tis better to listen than to speak.

I am preparing my notes for delivery.

I am packing my barrel with shot.

Watch out!

It's a metaphor.

Ahimsa is my Practice.

Actually, I'm very good at it.

But I still practise.

Bloody Whitley.

That bloody book.

That bloody cover.

That bloody title.

What the f**k did the Old Crow call?

That awful grey figure is not like anything I have ever encountered.

I only encounter bright lord.

Are they the borg?

War in Heaven?

When oh when are youse guys gonna tell me what it all means?

Answers on a postcard to the usual address.

On second thoughts, dont.

Just work it out fer yerselves.

Don't tell me nuthin'.

I don't wanna know.

I don't.

Seriously.

I know too much already.

There.

Did I say too much, or too little?

Trauma doth loosen the bonds of ignorance.

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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue May 14, 2013 5:19 am

...

One of the wise helped me to arrive at a great insight.

The Body IS The Memory.

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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue May 14, 2013 5:20 am

...

I see also Crow is here.

God bless you Crow.

You told of my vocation.

Crow of my vocation told.

And the other Crow told of my other vocation.

See?

And the third Crow ever watches the Trickster Deity.

And indeed, many more black birds are there.

A dainty dish indeed.

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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby FourthBase » Tue May 14, 2013 8:40 am

In the end though (and in my opinion of course) these real things are props in a never-ending production.


I gather, Simulist, that you would call Bostrom's 20% and raise it, to 100%? If so...nihilism much?

Hammer, dude, fellow oddball prophet...
I'll tell you a secret. Ready? No? Too bad, lol!

:whisper:

We humans are all, together, a differentiated manifestion of "God", or more simply...
We are God. Or, you know, not THE God. But...gods. True story! #groundhogday
But then, ultimately, what difference does it make? #hillarylol #cooltruestorybro
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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue May 14, 2013 9:30 am

...

You funny man fb.

But you are a bit abrasive.

Yet maybe you on right path.

Manifestations of the divine can be difficult to discern.

For, ya know, the undiscerning.

Er on topic?

Trauma based mind control programming may allow past life memory complexes to emerge, in a similar but warped and twisted version of what the Cosmic Illumination provokes. It may also allow psychic sensitivities or other strange abilities to manifest.

Someone told me that.

I don't know nuthin' bout it.

Ask me no questions, I'll tell ya no lies.

But FB man, I doubt you know much I don't already know.

In spades.

I sure I said too much already.

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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby FourthBase » Tue May 14, 2013 9:46 am

Let me assure you, Hammer.
Allow me to dispossess you of any such illusion:
You are not "God", i.e., you are not any kind of singular deity.
You do not have any access to a realm of reality the rest of us don't also have.

You're welcome! :)
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Re: Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

Postby Simulist » Tue May 14, 2013 10:36 am

FourthBase wrote:
In the end though (and in my opinion of course) these real things are props in a never-ending production.


I gather, Simulist, that you would call Bostrom's 20% and raise it, to 100%? If so...nihilism much?

For me, nihilism was only a passing phase. Like walking into a darkened room, before turning on the light; it's the same room, just from a different perspective.

Bostrom is interesting; Chalmers, too — but lest we think that this sort of idea has emerged only recently, I should probably mention several other sources too, at least in passing, including (but by no means limited to) the Advaita Vedanta concept of Maya, Parmenides, Plato, and several forms of Transcendental Idealism; also, even some of the teachings of Jesus (especially the pre-canonical, esoteric ones) and Lao Tzu resonate robustly and probably from similar points of view. But there are many others besides — too many to cite here — and I think a compelling argument can be made that all of them (With Bostrom and Chalmers as conspicuous exceptions, possibly?) may find their deep origins in shamanic experience.

guruilla wrote:
Simulist wrote:Yes. That's it. That's it exactly.

You have similar experiences in your past? Childhood? Any reason to suspect trauma?

Yes to all three. Perhaps even more significant would be the probable (and repeated) introduction of an hallucinogen into my very young life; perceptual changes existed then, and some appear to persist even now.



(It's Horsley not Horsely, just for the record. Or Horusly. :sun: )

Thanks! I'd Googled it, and I still got it wrong. ;)
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