FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

[Joe Hillshoist]

I know, we have gone from "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" to extraordinary claims = certain conspiracy, no evidence needed.
I am not saying that's how you operate C_w. But it is why I often play devils advocate.

I appreciate a devil's advocate POV.

I wonder though, if it isn't a bit of an extraordinary claim on the part of the FBI that this unarmed guy was able to threaten the life of the officers to the extent that he had to be fatally shot in order to stop him. Where's the evidence?

This is a fair point tho it doesn't have to involve a premeditated hit, just a situation where the restraints on power are out to lunch.

But ultimately that means nothing. I know people who have claimed coersion to confess to crimes that included threats on their life. I can easily see a situation where some agent tries this, pissed off interviewee calls their bluff, gets aggro says "go on then" and suddenly the agent is in fear of their life, having escalated the situation themselves.

I'm not saying this happened, but it seems possible to me and once upon a time such a thing would have been enough on its own to have people screaming blue murder (literally). Its kind of a sign of how bad things have got that people aren't screaming blue murder first and then arguing about the details second.

[Iamwhomiam]

I believe there were 7 law enforcement officers who 'visited' and 'questioned.'
3 Boston cops, 1 local cop and 3 FBI. Not ten, but then who really knows.

[Hunter]

Lesson:
If you are an unarmed person in the presence of multiple law enforcement officers, do not make them "feel threatened"

If you are an unarmed person in the presence of multiple armed persons — law enforcement persons, or otherwise — do not make them "feel threatened."

Yeah. That's probably pretty good common sense.

it's ridiculous is what it is. Officers are trained to work under pressure, threat, stress and out and out hostile and violent situations without killing people - killing is a last resort. All manner of other options are available to officers, particularly when they outnumber the suspect/interviewee/passerby by ten to one. Or even two to one.

It is hard to comment and draw conclusions without all the facts. That said, from what I am reading, the guy basically overturned the table they were all sitting at during the interrogation, this was in his kitchen and he grabbed a steak knife or something and started waving it around and two of the officers opened fire and killed him. What I dont understand is that there were reportedly ten FBI agents that is a lot of agents to dispatch to a basic routine home interview/interrogation of a suspect and it indicates that they were prepared for possible violence, meaning that they were likely in bullet proof vests etc and one would think and I think reasonably assume at least some of those agents should have a TASER and could have easily put a quick end to this 'threat' with non lethal force, but they didnt and I cant understand why other than they wanted him dead from the get go and used any excuse they could to take him out.


As far as why they would want him dead, what did he know, was he an informant who went off reservation etc etc, I have no idea and am not prepared at this time to speculate but I have to agree that the two words Stickdog used EXTRAORDINARY and FAIL most definitely apply here, at least wrt to what I do know and I admittedly do not know the whole story.

When you throw in the other 2 agents dead from a training accident, both of whom which were part of this marathon bombing event in an up close and personal manner, well, something just seems slightly off about it all. There is just something that isnt right, something going on behind the scenes that we dont know about and people are possibly needing to be silenced because of it, but again, that is just speculation as I really do not know any more than anyone else here does and that amounts to just about absolutely nothing since they have decided to not provide us much to work with in the way facts to help us get to the truth of the matter.


But generally I have a good nose for things that smell rotten and this definitely smells rotten.

[Hunter]

What is most interesting about this is that he did tell his friend that he feared that they might kill him, he said to his friend that he had been telling them everything he knew and that they didnt believe him and that they were making up all sorts of stories and connections that werent true and which they wanted him to cop to but he had refused up to that point, so this wasnt the first time they had talked to him but here we are the last time they talk to him they SEND IN TEN AGENTS and he ends up dead right after expressing a concern that this may happen to him.

Again, something stinks. Not sure what the odor is coming from but it is a distinct smell that I have smelled before, the kind of smell you dont ever forget but cant always pinpoint exactly what it may be...

[Crow]

What is most interesting about this is that he did tell his friend that he feared that they might kill him, he said to his friend that he had been telling them everything he knew and that they didnt believe him and that they were making up all sorts of stories and connections that werent true and which they wanted him to cop to but he had refused up to that point, so this wasnt the first time they had talked to him but here we are the last time they talk to him they SEND IN TEN AGENTS and he ends up dead right after expressing a concern that this may happen to him.

Again, something stinks. Not sure what the odor is coming from but it is s distinct smell that I have smelled before, the kind of smell you dont ever forget but cant always pinpoint exactly what it may be...

I have a few friends who can't control their anger well. Sometimes they will have some crazy anxiety about getting fired, for instance. To me it usually seems like an unreasonable fear. "Why would you get fired? You haven't done anything." But then they have a temper tantrum at their boss and they do get fired. They were worried about it because, on some level, they knew the rage attack was coming.

This guy undoubtedly had an anger problem. He was already feeling pressure from law enforcement and he may have known that he couldn't tolerate more without acting out. Hell, law enforcement may have sensed that too and it may have been exactly the result they were looking for. Putting pressure on people is their job, after all. They could have interviewed him in a more secure location than next to the knife block.

Disclaimer: I'm devil's advocating. I completely distrust the FBI in this circumstance and probably all circumstances, but I'd prefer not to think it through that far.

[Simulist]

In a sane world, run by sane people...

Checking my sources... but... when has that world ever existed?

I'm not actually entirely sure that such a world even could exist in a universe so hard-wired for conflict.

[Canadian_watcher]

This guy undoubtedly had an anger problem. ...

Disclaimer: I'm devil's advocating. I completely distrust the FBI in this circumstance and probably all circumstances, but I'd prefer not to think it through that far.

When I play devil's advocate, I don't make statements like that one. Do you know this guy?
Maybe his friends have reported that he has one, I don't know. Is there evidence (not from the FBI) to support that?

[Canadian_watcher]

In a sane world, run by sane people...

Checking my sources... but... when has that world ever existed?

I'm not actually entirely sure that such a world even could exist in a universe so hard-wired for conflict.

a world hard-wired for conflict?
I disagree. Perhaps in a society so hard wired for it, but the world is bigger and stranger than that. Reading only mainstream, academically repeated science and history might lead you to believe that but if you expand your horizons you don't have to feel as trapped and hopeless as that statement makes you sound.

[IanEye]

This guy undoubtedly had an anger problem. ...

Disclaimer: I'm devil's advocating. I completely distrust the FBI in this circumstance and probably all circumstances, but I'd prefer not to think it through that far.

When I play devil's advocate, I don't make statements like that one. Do you know this guy?


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I think it was photoshopped, myself. I don't think he was either a helper or a crisis actor. I think all those people got fucked over, and that they all have skeletons in their closets which are preventing them from coming forward. Big skeletons, with teeth. Either that or they are just greedy mother fuckers who are keeping quiet for the money.

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These pictures are faked. I honestly think that there was a staging somewhere that had "key" victims in it, and then there was the explosion at the actual marathon. There is a combo plate here - the real event and the staged one. IMHO some of the victims were not even AT the bombing, therefore they weren't victims (at that place, anyway)

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[Canadian_watcher]

This guy undoubtedly had an anger problem. ...

Disclaimer: I'm devil's advocating. I completely distrust the FBI in this circumstance and probably all circumstances, but I'd prefer not to think it through that far.

When I play devil's advocate, I don't make statements like that one. Do you know this guy?


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I think it was photoshopped, myself. I don't think he was either a helper or a crisis actor. I think all those people got fucked over, and that they all have skeletons in their closets which are preventing them from coming forward. Big skeletons, with teeth. Either that or they are just greedy mother fuckers who are keeping quiet for the money.

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These pictures are faked. I honestly think that there was a staging somewhere that had "key" victims in it, and then there was the explosion at the actual marathon. There is a combo plate here - the real event and the staged one. IMHO some of the victims were not even AT the bombing, therefore they weren't victims (at that place, anyway)

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That's completely different - do you see all the "I thinks" in those paragraphs? Crow didn't say that she "thinks" this guy has an anger problem, she said he undoubtedly does.

Not to mention that I wasn't playing devil's advocate when I posted those thoughts. I was advocating for my position quite blatantly.

[Simulist]

In a sane world, run by sane people...

Checking my sources... but... when has that world ever existed?

I'm not actually entirely sure that such a world even could exist in a universe so hard-wired for conflict.

a world hard-wired for conflict?
I disagree. Perhaps in a society so hard wired for it, but the world is bigger and stranger than that. Reading only mainstream, academically repeated science and history might lead you to believe that but if you expand your horizons you don't have to feel as trapped and hopeless as that statement makes you sound.

Then let me spell it out for you: physical organisms HAVE TO EAT EACH OTHER in order to survive.

(Is that news to you?)

That's pretty fucking "hard-wired for conflict."

[Burnt Hill]

What about the parking lot incident? Is that not an expression of an anger problem?

[Canadian_watcher]

In a sane world, run by sane people...

Checking my sources... but... when has that world ever existed?

I'm not actually entirely sure that such a world even could exist in a universe so hard-wired for conflict.

a world hard-wired for conflict?
I disagree. Perhaps in a society so hard wired for it, but the world is bigger and stranger than that. Reading only mainstream, academically repeated science and history might lead you to believe that but if you expand your horizons you don't have to feel as trapped and hopeless as that statement makes you sound.

Then let me spell it out for you: physical organisms HAVE TO EAT EACH OTHER in order to survive.

(Is that news to you?)

That's pretty fucking "hard-wired for conflict."

what's with all the hostility?

Human beings don't have to eat each other, bro. I'm not sure where you're from, but it's never been a phenomenon where I've lived.

[Canadian_watcher]

What about the parking lot incident? Is that not an expression of an anger problem?

I had asked if there was evidence of an anger problem that didn't come from the FBI, but no one answered. Thanks for pointing me towards 'parking lot' I'll look in to that.

[Simulist]

In a sane world, run by sane people...

Checking my sources... but... when has that world ever existed?

I'm not actually entirely sure that such a world even could exist in a universe so hard-wired for conflict.

a world hard-wired for conflict?
I disagree. Perhaps in a society so hard wired for it, but the world is bigger and stranger than that. Reading only mainstream, academically repeated science and history might lead you to believe that but if you expand your horizons you don't have to feel as trapped and hopeless as that statement makes you sound.

Then let me spell it out for you: physical organisms HAVE TO EAT EACH OTHER in order to survive.

(Is that news to you?)

That's pretty fucking "hard-wired for conflict."

what's with all the hostility?

Human beings don't have to eat each other, bro. I'm not sure where you're from, but it's never been a phenomenon where I've lived.

Living organisms do. And humans will, if necessary. The world is a hostile place — by nature — it's "hard-wired" that way.

If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.