FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

[DrVolin]

Both CW and Simulist escalated by using needless ad personam attacks. Cases in point:

Simulist:

'Then let me spell it out for you: physical organisms HAVE TO EAT EACH OTHER in order to survive.
(Is that news to you?)
That's pretty fucking "hard-wired for conflict.'

could have been:

'I meant that physical organisms have to eat each other in order to survive. That means they are hard wired for conflict.

'Living organisms do. And humans will, if necessary. The world is a hostile place — by nature — it's "hard-wired" that way.
If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.'

could have been:

'Living organisms do. And humans will, if necessary. The world is a hostile place - by nature - it's hard wired that way.'

CW:

'a world hard-wired for conflict?
I disagree. Perhaps in a society so hard wired for it, but the world is bigger and stranger than that. Reading only mainstream, academically repeated science and history might lead you to believe that but if you expand your horizons you don't have to feel as trapped and hopeless as that statement makes you sound.'

could have been:

'I disagree. Perhaps in a society so hard wired for it, but the world is bigger and stranger than that. Reading only mainstream, academically repeated science and history might lead you to believe that.'

There are many other examples in this thread and all over the board. These tend to derail interesting and productive discussion and drive away valued members of this uniquely diverse community. Perhaps the solution is for everyone to give it a few hours or a day before hitting the submit button when they feel they need to strike back against a perceived attack.

[hiddenite]

If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.

and if you haven't figured out that there's plenty of this world that is not hostile it's no wonder you come off as such an angry, classless, big mouth asshole on a continuous basis.

C_w and Sim,

Cease and desist with the attacks, and keep the discussion on topic.

Thanks,

Mgt.

I sent the above message in a hurry, just as I was leaving work to hopefully catch my bus, so I really didn't think it through nearly as much as I should have.

Apologies.

I DID think about it a lot on my 2.5 hour commute home, though, and I began to reconsider the situation.

C_w's quote above is a suspendible offense, plain and simple, and I'm giving her one week on the sidelines.

As I said above, though, please keep the discussion topic-based, and if you think someone is wrong, then explain why you think so in a civil manner. In other words, don't just label their views as "crackpot."

Carry on.

Dude thats a clear double standard.

C_W was hassled continually for challenging an essentially meaningless statement. (That the world is hardwired for conflict.)

The person who made that statement responded by saying she promotes crackpot stuff which is verging on calling them a disinfo agent.

While there are no rules against calling someone an asshole there are against calling them a disinfo agent.

There's a disturbing trend on this board that moderation power is used against marginalised posters and I'm registering my objection to this right here and right now in public where everyone can see it.

from here:

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=8705#p83750

This is an anti-sexist board. We correctly assume that women, as a group, have been and continue to be the object of oppression based upon their gender. It is expected that members will respect the rights of women to justice and equality in all spheres of life, and to a positive experience of RI. Contending that feminism is a "New World Order plot" will not be permitted.

...

The charge or insinuation of "disinfo agent" can almost never be proven, and poisons and often ends meaningful discussion. Therefore suggesting a poster is purposefully spreading disinformation is not permitted.

Please refrain from personal attacks, and keep arguments issue-based.

Firstly I find it disturbing that C_W seems to be attacked out of proportion to the content of her posts. (Many of which on this thread I totally disagree with.) She's not the only female on this board that cops this, and sometimes her views certainly seem ... at odds with mine if nothing else, but I don't think that is a fair justification. Its too much like saying someone was "asking for it".

Secondly she responded to a personal attack by defending herself (however clumsily it may have seemed) and got banned for it.

That seems at odds with this boards stated position of being anti fascist.

Also:

C_w's quote above is a suspendible offense, plain and simple, and I'm giving her one week on the sidelines.

Where is the list of what is a suspendable offense and what isn't.

it seems quite arbitrary to me at the moment.

Totally agree . C W responded in the same format in which she was attacked. . I object to this biased moderating .

[Bruce Dazzling]

If you haven't figured even that out yet, it's no wonder you come up with all the crackpot stuff you promote here so readily.

and if you haven't figured out that there's plenty of this world that is not hostile it's no wonder you come off as such an angry, classless, big mouth asshole on a continuous basis.

C_w and Sim,

Cease and desist with the attacks, and keep the discussion on topic.

Thanks,

Mgt.

I sent the above message in a hurry, just as I was leaving work to hopefully catch my bus, so I really didn't think it through nearly as much as I should have.

Apologies.

I DID think about it a lot on my 2.5 hour commute home, though, and I began to reconsider the situation.

C_w's quote above is a suspendible offense, plain and simple, and I'm giving her one week on the sidelines.

As I said above, though, please keep the discussion topic-based, and if you think someone is wrong, then explain why you think so in a civil manner. In other words, don't just label their views as "crackpot."

Carry on.

Dude thats a clear double standard.

C_W was hassled continually for challenging an essentially meaningless statement. (That the world is hardwired for conflict.)

The person who made that statement responded by saying she promotes crackpot stuff which is verging on calling them a disinfo agent.

While there are no rules against calling someone an asshole there are against calling them a disinfo agent.

There's a disturbing trend on this board that moderation power is used against marginalised posters and I'm registering my objection to this right here and right now in public where everyone can see it.

from here:

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=8705#p83750

This is an anti-sexist board. We correctly assume that women, as a group, have been and continue to be the object of oppression based upon their gender. It is expected that members will respect the rights of women to justice and equality in all spheres of life, and to a positive experience of RI. Contending that feminism is a "New World Order plot" will not be permitted.

...

The charge or insinuation of "disinfo agent" can almost never be proven, and poisons and often ends meaningful discussion. Therefore suggesting a poster is purposefully spreading disinformation is not permitted.

Please refrain from personal attacks, and keep arguments issue-based.

Firstly I find it disturbing that C_W seems to be attacked out of proportion to the content of her posts. (Many of which on this thread I totally disagree with.) She's not the only female on this board that cops this, and sometimes her views certainly seem ... at odds with mine if nothing else, but I don't think that is a fair justification. Its too much like saying someone was "asking for it".

Secondly she responded to a personal attack by defending herself (however clumsily it may have seemed) and got banned for it.

That seems at odds with this boards stated position of being anti fascist.

Also:

C_w's quote above is a suspendible offense, plain and simple, and I'm giving her one week on the sidelines.

Where is the list of what is a suspendable offense and what isn't.

it seems quite arbitrary to me at the moment.

Here are the posting guidelines:

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In addition to C_w's cut and dried personal attack, in which she referred to someone as an "angry, classless, big mouth asshole," she has also been spoken to by another mod via PM multiple times recently, so this isn't totally out of the blue.

Furthermore, and most importantly, none of this has anything to do with anyone's gender. Nothing. Nada. Zip. So drop that turd in somebody else's punch bowl, or take it up with me via PM, if you must discuss it further.

[IanEye]

This guy undoubtedly had an anger problem. ...

Disclaimer: I'm devil's advocating. I completely distrust the FBI in this circumstance and probably all circumstances, but I'd prefer not to think it through that far.

When I play devil's advocate, I don't make statements like that one. Do you know this guy?

I feel ridiculous even saying this and equally ridiculous not saying it. I live in Massachusetts. I am a real person. I don't post that often but I've been registered here at RI since 2007. I have family members that have known the Baumans for 25 years. They witnessed Jeff Bauman having legs up until April 15 of this year. He's not an actor.

I think it was photoshopped, myself. I don't think he was either a helper or a crisis actor. I think all those people got fucked over, and that they all have skeletons in their closets which are preventing them from coming forward. Big skeletons, with teeth. Either that or they are just greedy mother fuckers who are keeping quiet for the money.

These pictures are faked. I honestly think that there was a staging somewhere that had "key" victims in it, and then there was the explosion at the actual marathon. There is a combo plate here - the real event and the staged one. IMHO some of the victims were not even AT the bombing, therefore they weren't victims (at that place, anyway)

[slimmouse]

Indeed humans will predate each other where neccesary. Indeed we do. But is it really neccesary? What are the conditions created by the control system that ensures the continued predation. Can we get down to some basic reasons for it, in todays world? Of course we can, if we study sufficiently and recognise the way the unreality construct currently works.

You either get it or you dont, and frankly no amount of smug condescendiing allusions towards such conclusions, followed by an agile mental sidestep is ever going to alter that fact. Whether we are prepared to recognise the following fact or not is up to us I guess.

There are plenty of sane but clearly programmed people on this earth who outnumber by any amount the extremely ruthless predators come parasites who constantly have us at each others throats.

As one of my favourite occupy posters said. "The system isn't broken, its fixed" . About the only thing to add to that, is that it can be clearly established that its still fixed,as it has been almost ever since, by a very small few. Only the names appear to change.

[Joe Hillshoist]

In addition to C_w's cut and dried personal attack, in which she referred to someone as an "angry, classless, big mouth asshole," she has also been spoken to by another mod via PM multiple times recently, so this isn't totally out of the blue.

Furthermore, and most importantly, none of this has anything to do with anyone's gender. Nothing. Nada. Zip. So drop that turd in somebody else's punch bowl, or take it up with me via PM, if you must discuss it further.

Bruce to be clear,m i'm not accusing you of attacking anyone else's gender with your mod decision. Its a trend I've noticed on the board, and it doesn't just happen to C_W.

What I am whinging about wrt to your decision is that C_Ws personal attack was in response to another one. She gets attacked heaps, maybe cos she says things that are a bit off or dodgy, especially wrt to the bombing in Boston, but you just suspended one person for a personal attack and let the other attack slide. Thats unfair, especially on an supposedl or maybe /formerly anti fascist board.

Furthermore you did that after calling both parties out in a reasonable manner.

yeah anyway. You can make whatever fucking decisions you want.

have fun.

[justdrew]

fyi for trend spotters, there's only been two users suspended for a week this year. It's not a huge deal really, no perma-bans for a long long time.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Its a big deal if there's one standard for some people and another for others, especially if the decision is based on how someone felt after a 2.5 hour commute home from work.

[stickdog99]

OK, everybody. Can we please put personalities aside and stick to the issue at hand?

That's how C_W would want it. And it would be a great memorial to her unfortunate absence if we could all adhere to that.

Link

Ibragim Todashev, an acquaintance of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was shot by an FBI officer during interrogation, was not interested in politics but dreamed of a sports career, says Todashev's widow, Rene Manukian.

"We lived our own life. He was in for sports. He dreamed of MMA and wanted to move up the career ladder. It was me who worked and who maintained us. He was in for fights. He was concentrated on fights. He was all about the gym and his daily training. He could not have worked physically. It was okay with me," Manukian said.

Todashev has never been a religious fanatic. "He has never been an Islam fanatic. He observed everything, but there was no fanaticism or craziness in this," she said.

Manukian says she knew nothing about a triple murder of which her husband was reportedly suspected. "Never heard anything about this. Even when this happened in 2011, I didn't hear about this on TV or elsewhere, and my husband didn't tell me anything. Any time he or I were questioned - and I have been questioned more than once - there was not a single question about this murder. All questions were about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, as he knew him," she said.

Todashev and Tsarnaev have never been close friends, Manukian said. "They knew each other, because there is a small Chechen community in America. This is okay that they all know each other. But this doesn't mean that they were friends. When we married in 2010, he left Boston. He knew him, as they went to the same gym. But everyone in the gym knows that they never were friends. They never conversed. Only 'hello' and 'how are you'," she said.

It was reported earlier with reference to U.S. authorities that Todashev, 27, attacked an FBI officer while being questioned and was shot and killed.

NBC said Todashev was not suspected of involvement in the Boston Marathon bombings but was questioned as a person whom Tamerlan Tsarnaev had known.

Investigators also probed Todashev's possible involvement in a triple murder in Massachusetts in 2011.

Brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev are suspected of committing the Boston Marathon bombings on April 15, 2013, which killed three and injured more than 200 others. Dzhokhar was later detained and Tamerlan received fatal gunshot wounds and died.

[stickdog99]

Faux News

FOX 25's Bob Ward was told by a confidential informant that the man, who was killed while being questioned by FBI agents in Florida, was in the process of confessing to a triple murder that occurred in Waltham when he suddenly attacked an agent with a sword....

In recent weeks, Todashev became a suspect in the murders, and on Wednesday, the 27-year-old finally agreed to meet at an apartment near Universal Studios with a Boston FBI agent, as well as two Massachusetts State Police troopers.

During the interview, investigators took notes and everything appeared to be going well. Eventually, Todashev was asked to write down, in his own handwriting and in his own words, what he had been telling authorities about his role in the murders when in the words of one source – all hell broke loose.

Todashev allegedly began writing, but then flipped a table over, knocking the Boston FBI agent into the wall hitting his head.

FOX 25's Bob Ward was told the agent looked up to see Todashev waving in his direction what was described as a Banzai ceremonial sword.

Fearing for his life, the FBI agent drew his weapon and fatally shot Todashev. The entire incident taking only seconds.

It is unclear how the fatal shooting affects the triple homicide investigation. The FBI is not commenting on the open investigation.

The three murdered Waltham men were discovered with their throats slashed and high grade marijuana tossed over their bodies. Police also recovered $5,000 in cash.

One of the murder victims, Brendan Mess, was found away from the other two victims. He suffered other serious injuries. Mess was also friends with Tamerlan Tsarnaev and was also a mixed martial arts fighter.

Last week, the FBI said in a statement that Todashev initiated violent confrontation that resulted in his death, and last week, Ward's sources said that Todashev attacked the agent with a knife and the agent was hospitalized with stab wounds to the head.

However, the source has since clarified saying the agents told investigators Todashev came at him with a large sword-like weapon. The agent was injured when the table was overturned and the agent's head was smashed into the wall. The agent was hospitalized and received nine stitches in his head.




Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/224423 ... z2Ufo0pkpa

[stickdog99]

Stupid Chick's Take

“A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of the truth”. — Albert Einstein

The recent FBI and other law enforcement investigations in the United States, which have resulted as a consequence of the Boston bombings, have been puzzling and literally incredulous, to say the least. It is as if we are watching a movie and due to editing, scenes have been cut out, and viewers are left to imagine and fill in the gaps of the deleted scenes in order to grasp the entire meaning of the movie. This would be fine if it were a movie.

In reality, what has been happening are real and tragic events involving real lives and real deaths and an incredibly hazy picture of the law enforcement agencies in what is being told to the public, which only raises many questions as to what really is going on. If one were to go entirely on the basis of what we are being told (which is all we have to go by) , Djohar Tsarnaev who is currently in solitary confinement in a federal prison hospital, potentially awaiting a death sentence, had planted one of the bombs that exploded at the Boston Marathon. The proof against him was the fact that there is video footage of him placing a book bag at the scene of one of the explosions. However, what is highly disturbing here is that the photographs of the book bag with the explosives shows that it was black and the one that Tsarnaev was carrying was light-coloured.

There are also some photographs of Tsarnaev running away from the explosion with the rest of the crowd seemingly clutching a strap on his shoulder...the strap of his book bag, perhaps? Then came the incredible accounts of what happened on the night the Tsarnaev brothers were allegedly involved in a shootout with the police. We were told that they had shot and killed in cold blood the police officer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). However, it was later declared that there really was no concrete proof that the brothers had done this. After this came the account of the mysterious carjacking victim who was allegedly threatened at gun point and to whom they had confessed that they were the marathon bombers. To this day, more than one month after the marathon bombings, we know practically nothing about this carjacking victim. There was also a man who was arrested naked (to make the story even more far-fetched) who had uncanny resemblance to Tamerlin Tsarneav, who seems to have just vanished into thin air. We were told he was not actually Tamerlan. Fine. So who was he? Where is he? Some members of the Tsarnaev family claim without a doubt that this person was Tamerlan, alluding that he was shot by law enforcement officers after being captured, thus challenging the latter’s accounts of the shoot out in which he was allegedly killed.

The United States is the land where lawsuits are abundant for any reasons big or small. Why then would someone who was so humiliated in being arrested in the nude not make any public appearances to speak about his account of the events or at least sue the law enforcement agencies for this humiliation?

During the shoot out at Watertown we were told that Djohar, a 19-year-old, all by himself, without having any food or water for at least a day and injured, was taking on the entire army of law enforcement officers, which was dispatched to take him in. Consequently, we were told that he was unarmed. Why the first version then? The photograph of him coming out of the boat clearly shows no visible blood stains on his clothing and no real injuries. The next couple of photographs released of him are those of him injured and bleeding and lying on the ground. He had apparently tried to take his own life by shooting himself in the neck thus causing his neck injuries and inability to speak. How he shot himself when he was unarmed is anyone’s guess!

As if these conflicting, incredulous accounts are not puzzling enough, the FBI had interrogated him for 16 hours without reading him his Miranda rights intentionally in order to not allow him the opportunity to not incriminate himself and to remain silent. No defence lawyers were present to assist him, either although some accounts allege that he had insisted on having defence lawyers present but this was ignored. It had come to the point where a Federal magistrate went to Djohar’s hospital room to read him his rights, which permitted him to cease incriminating himself further and established his rights to a defence lawyer. Whatever happened to his constitutional rights as a US citizen? Or do we invent the laws as we go along?

It has been suggested that Djohar had confessed to the bombings in writing (in a gravely critically injured state) and that he had also left a written confession in the boat before being arrested. There is no proof of this except for the FBI’s word.

Similar accounts of the FBI obtaining a confession transpired more recently when a friend of Tamerlan’s, Ibragim Todashev, apparently confessed in writing to murdering along with Tamerlan the three victims in the Waltham murders of 2011. However, he was killed by an FBI agent before the confession was actually signed. Surprise! He had allegedly attacked the FBI agent with a knife. One cannot help but wonder why he was not frisked thoroughly by seasoned FBI agents before questioning, and furthermore, why was this interrogation taking place in the comfort of his home and not the FBI premises?

What is clear is this: there are many more holes and inconsistencies related to the Boston Marathon bombing investigations, and now to the Waltham murders than there are certainties. What has been heard time and time again in the United States since 9/11 occurred are the words ‘conspiracy theories’ if any theories are put forward other than those put forth by law enforcement agencies. This pattern is being repeated once again. Since when was it unwelcome or illegal for Americans to question their law enforcement agencies and justice system without being branded as subscribers to conspiracy theories? Have we chosen to forget and to ignore blatantly legal procedures just to be able to place the blame? Have we chosen to forget how utterly serious the death penalty is? All other industrialised countries have abolished it on the grounds that it is a cruel and an unusual punishment. Is it unreasonable to state that before we can even utter such words we must be sure without the slightest shred of any reasonable doubt that all the proof is irrefutable? Does questioning the irresponsible practices of law enforcement in this case have any bearing on one’s patriotism? Why does this brand people as believers of conspiracy theories? What is this form of democracy or lack of it?

It is not ‘guilty until proven innocent’, and yes, we as free and fair citizens do have every right to question the practices of law enforcement. This is no way attempts to establish guilt or innocence but rather demands that a fair and just investigative process in doing so be applied. Surely that is not too much to ask.

[Elex]

Hello all,

I usually just read along with the discussions on this forum, but I had a bit of an odd synchro/coinky-dink happen that I'm hoping to get some feedback on.

The whole Boston situation clearly does not pass the smell test, but a particular detail has been nagging at me for some reason:

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video ... D=24836986

Federal law enforcement sources said the FBI agent, two Massachusetts State Police troopers and other law enforcement officials were "primarily" questioning Todashev about a Sept. 11, 2011, triple slaying in Waltham, Mass. Officials believe he and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the suspected Boston bombers, may have had a role in cutting the throats of the three men and sprinkling marijuana over their bodies.

I've been assuming that this detail was pasted on as a very ham-fisted attempt to create some sort of gang/drug tie-in to the official narative, but the symbolism just doesn't fit. The media is bending over backwards to portray Todashev as an out-of-control hardcore badass. 'Thhhprinkling thome of that naththy ole mawiwawa over their cold widdle tootsies' (my paraphrasing) is not the couse of action an out-of-control hardcore badass takes when he's trying to send a message, so this detail was still bugging me.

I was randomly thinking about the subject a few nights ago, and out of nowhere the words "Scythian grave ritual" pop into my head, as clear as if someone had said it out loud next to me. At this point, the only thing I know about Scythians is their name and some vauge notion that they were good with horses, so I do a quick search and right in the wikipedia entry is:

Herodotus reports that Scythians used cannabis, both to weave their clothing and to cleanse themselves in its smoke (Hist. 4.73–75); archaeology has confirmed the use of cannabis in funeral rituals.

and a different article about Scythians:

Then to that sword they bring yearly sacrifices of cattle and horses and, what’s more, to these objects right here they sacrifice still more than to all the other gods. Of all of their enemies whichever they take alive, from a hundred one man they sacrifice not in the same manner as the cattle, but in another: for, whenever they pour a libation of wine down on their heads, they cut the throat of the human beings into a vessel and thereafter they bring up, up on the pile of the pieces of firewood, and pour down on the sword the blood.

And just to throw in a bonus round power-up, if I'm juxtaposing the maps right, it looks like Chechnya is smack dab in the middle of what was Scythian territory.

Now trying to interpret this and fit it into some larger picture, I skimmed the rest of the wiki article and realized that the Scythians seem to be hugely important to many of the secret societies and spook types, and I'd have to guess they also play a large part in many alternate/hidden/occult versions of history,

There's a good chance that this is just a rabbithole, but considering the hard-on that most puppetmasters have for symbolism and getting the details "just right", I have to wonder. If anyone here knows more about Scythian influences/culture/history and how it might fit in symboliclly I'd love to hear about it.

Cheers,
Elex

[8bitagent]

Hello all,

I usually just read along with the discussions on this forum, but I had a bit of an odd synchro/coinky-dink happen that I'm hoping to get some feedback on.

The whole Boston situation clearly does not pass the smell test, but a particular detail has been nagging at me for some reason:

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video ... D=24836986

Federal law enforcement sources said the FBI agent, two Massachusetts State Police troopers and other law enforcement officials were "primarily" questioning Todashev about a Sept. 11, 2011, triple slaying in Waltham, Mass. Officials believe he and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the suspected Boston bombers, may have had a role in cutting the throats of the three men and sprinkling marijuana over their bodies.

I've been assuming that this detail was pasted on as a very ham-fisted attempt to create some sort of gang/drug tie-in to the official narative, but the symbolism just doesn't fit. The media is bending over backwards to portray Todashev as an out-of-control hardcore badass. 'Thhhprinkling thome of that naththy ole mawiwawa over their cold widdle tootsies' (my paraphrasing) is not the couse of action an out-of-control hardcore badass takes when he's trying to send a message, so this detail was still bugging me.

I was randomly thinking about the subject a few nights ago, and out of nowhere the words "Scythian grave ritual" pop into my head, as clear as if someone had said it out loud next to me. At this point, the only thing I know about Scythians is their name and some vauge notion that they were good with horses, so I do a quick search and right in the wikipedia entry is:

Herodotus reports that Scythians used cannabis, both to weave their clothing and to cleanse themselves in its smoke (Hist. 4.73–75); archaeology has confirmed the use of cannabis in funeral rituals.

and a different article about Scythians:

Then to that sword they bring yearly sacrifices of cattle and horses and, what’s more, to these objects right here they sacrifice still more than to all the other gods. Of all of their enemies whichever they take alive, from a hundred one man they sacrifice not in the same manner as the cattle, but in another: for, whenever they pour a libation of wine down on their heads, they cut the throat of the human beings into a vessel and thereafter they bring up, up on the pile of the pieces of firewood, and pour down on the sword the blood.

And just to throw in a bonus round power-up, if I'm juxtaposing the maps right, it looks like Chechnya is smack dab in the middle of what was Scythian territory.

Now trying to interpret this and fit it into some larger picture, I skimmed the rest of the wiki article and realized that the Scythians seem to be hugely important to many of the secret societies and spook types, and I'd have to guess they also play a large part in many alternate/hidden/occult versions of history,

There's a good chance that this is just a rabbithole, but considering the hard-on that most puppetmasters have for symbolism and getting the details "just right", I have to wonder. If anyone here knows more about Scythian influences/culture/history and how it might fit in symboliclly I'd love to hear about it.

Cheers,
Elex

First off welcome Elex. And my, what a nice find. As people are acting like immature brats on the playground, very peculiar details like this emerge. I think what you uncovered can't be a coincidence.
As far as symbology, note that the Boston bombing happened on 666 Boylston street, a few days shy of OKC bombing/Waco/Columbine/VT Tech/Hitlers birthday.
The triple murder itself happened on September 11th 2011, and younger Tsarnaev became naturalized on September 11 2012. Perhaps these are all syncs, but as far as impossibly complex deep occult ritual and getting things "just right", one only have to look at September 11th 2001 as perhaps the ultimate "working" from top to bottom. The sort, way above the paygrade of some two bit "neocons" or "al Qaeda".

[Elex]

The sort, way above the paygrade of some two bit "neocons" or "al Qaeda".

I know, that's what I'm worried about.

Ah well, c'est la vie. It's not like I have any influence on the outcome of major geopolitical events, so I think it's safe for me to just kick back and watch the action, maybe try to figure out the twist ending before the big reveal...

The Scythian thing just keeps getting weirder, even under casual inspection. Turns out they were originators of the threefold death style of sacrifice, so there's even further tie in with the three victims.

All in all, without even knowing the specific perpetrators behind this poorly written stage show, I'd have to say there are some pretty grimy fingerprints on the script.

Blech. I'm think going to go look at pictures of kittens for awhile.

Cheers,
Elex

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There were 2 large drug busts in that part of town in the same year as the murders. The one in May caught a cop who was giving aid and help so other cops could be lent on , threatened /intimidated. The sealed indictment in connection with the May bust was recently opened ,after a request i think from the defence, - not 100% sure on that part. One of the 2 dead men owned a company selling glass bongs. The impression I get is they were committed stoners selling dope but nothing harder. Wouldn't be the first time a drug patch/ type of substance war broke out with police involvement (May bust) and those who refused to move up a grade, were removed . That was my reading of the scattered drugs and money left lying about conspiciously /. Also someone talked for the 2 large busts to have taken place, maybe these guys were suspected.