Guns (Yawn)

[Hammer of Los]

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The Canadian Watcher's points remain pertinent as ever.

Not everyone practice ahimsa.

PDS.

COG.

It's kinda worrying.

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[justdrew]

High school security guard arrested for threatening to shoot up school
By Eric W. Dolan | Wednesday, May 29, 2013 16:31 EDT

A man was arrested earlier this week for a terrorist threat against Nyack High School in New York, where he was employed as a security officer.

Kenneth A. Carter, 51, was arrested May 22 without incident after a co-worker told police he made threats against the school. Carter allegedly threatened to “go home, get his guns and blow the place up” after facing disciplinary action from school officials.

He was charged with making terroristic threats, a felony, and later released on $1,000 bail.

Nyack Superintendent of Schools Dr. James Montesano said “at no point did we believe that our students were placed in harm’s way or there was an imminent threat of danger to them” in a statement on the school’s website. He alleged news reports of the incident did “not present an accurate representation of facts.”

Montesano told Patch.com that Carter had always been “courteous and caring toward students.” He added that the media had sensationalized the incident.

[Hammer of Los]

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I take it Kenneth Carter is not a muslim.

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[justdrew]

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I take it Kenneth Carter is not a muslim.

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we can't be sure, he could have secretly converted

[Iamwhomiam]

Not the title I would have chosen...

Man posts desperate Facebook status before killing wife, self

Stephanie Byrd had left her husband Bruce Byrd. She had an order of protection against him, which she’d been granted in April. Last Friday, Stephanie went to Bruce’s mother’s house when she thought no one would be there to pick up her things. When she arrived, Bruce unleashed a barrage of bullets. Police say 30 to 33 shots were fired.

By the time a SWAT team burst into the Pittsburgh home, both Bruce and Stephanie were dead. Stephanie, a 44-year-old nurse, had been shot in the head, torso, and neck. After killing her, police say Bruce turned the gun on himself.

This tragedy didn’t come without warning signs. In 2005, Bruce had been charged with simple assault, making terroristic threats, unlawful restraint and other crimes after showing up at Stephanie’s job and threatening to kill her. He ended up pleading guilty to simple assault and serving probation. Within the 24 hours before the shooting, Bruce Byrd posted several desperate, rambling Facebook statuses in which he pleaded for Stephanie to return to him.

The Monday following the shooting, Bruce was scheduled to go to trial on charges of making false statements and knowingly submitting false information to the government.

[justdrew]

hero shoots hero...

An Oklahoma man is expected to recover after being shot by a neighbor who became suspicious when he saw him running down the street in his underwear.

Joshua Snow was at his Owasso home early Monday morning when heard someone breaking into his car, according to KOKI. Not even stopping to put on pants, Snow immediately grabbed his gun and began chasing the burglars.

Major Shannon Clark with the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office told KOKI that investigators aren’t exactly sure what happened next, but something caused Snow to bang on neighbor Jimmy Null’s door at some point during the pursuit.

When Null saw a man with a gun in his underwear standing at the door, he grabbed his 12-guage shotgun instead of asking questions.

“That’s kind of where things get a little gray,” Clark said. “We don’t actually know what took place there.”

“I guess just in the hype of everything taking place, when the guy reached for his own gun, the homeowner at that time fired a shot trying to protect himself and his family.”

Clark warned that chasing burglars was risky, and that homeowners should at least call 911 before taking the law into their own hands.

“Once there is no continuing threat to a person and/or a life or the community, then you can’t use deadly force as an option,” he pointed out.

But neighbor Kayla Brown insisted to KOKI that she would have done the same thing.

“I would grab a gun and, you know, threaten him because he is on my property that I will shoot him if he doesn’t stop,” Brown said.

The Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office did not expect to charge Null for the shooting, and Snow was expected to make a full recovery.

The burglars also managed to escape in the chaos.

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a lying hero...

A Connecticut man, who accidentally shot himself while riding a bicycle, was arrested this week after lying to police and saying that a “gang” of men wearing black hoodies had attacked him.

The Connecticut Post reported that Stratford police were notified on Thursday that 22-year-old Wendell Docteur was being treated for a gunshot wound to his right leg. Docteur told officers that he was riding his bike “when he was confronted by a half dozen men, dressed all in black with hooded sweatshirts covering their faces,” according to the paper.

Docteur claimed that the gang had robbed him of his money and then yelled, “North End, North End,” as they fled. The North End is a neighborhood in Bridgeport.

But Docteur finally admitted that the gun in his waistband had gone off and he had shot himself after he was not able to explain why there was only a hole where the bullet exited from his pants. He was also not able to tell police what happened to his handgun after the incident.

Docteur was charged with making a false statement, unlawful discharge of a firearm and failing to report a lost firearm. He was released $10,000 bond. A hearing was scheduled for Superior Court court on Sept. 5.

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a incompetent hero... who as I've said long time, can't tell who's who...

Arkansas state Sen. Jeremy Hutchinson (R) recently learned why a good guy with a gun isn’t always the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun.

During an “active shooter” training exercise, Hutchinson accidentally shot a “teacher” with a rubber bullet-loaded pistol rather than the “shooter.”

“The tough part is when law enforcement does arrive, it’s hard to distinguish between the good guys with guns and the bad guys with guns,” Hutchinson told the New York Daily News. “There were gun shots in the hallway, there’s a man shooting into the classroom, and I shot that person (with a simulation bullet).”

“At the end of the simulation, the chief said that was a man playing a teacher in the hallway, who was gunning down the (fake) shooter.”

Hutchinson is the nephew of former DEA chief Asa Hutchinson, who lead the National Rifle Association’s National School Shield Task Force. The NRA task force concluded the best way to protect children from gun violence was to place armed guards in every school. The guards could either be hired security officers or armed teachers.

Hutchinson last year proposed allowing teachers to carry firearms in school. He also supported legislation to allow university staff and faculty members to carry a concealed handgun on campus.

“The ideal would be to have a trained resource officer in every school,” he told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. “The state and school districts can’t afford that.”

[JackRiddler]

Hm, here we go again.

[82_28]

The Colorado waitresses who tote food -- and firearms

The town is called Rifle. The grill is called Shooters. So it's no surprise that the waitresses have an unusual dress code, CBS News correspondent Barry Petersen reports.

"I am carrying a Ruger 357 Blackhawk," said Ashlee Saenz, a waitress at Shooters. "I like the old style revolvers, and I just like big guns."

When owner Lauren Boebert started carrying a gun openly, which is legal in most parts of Colorado, the waitresses accessorized as well.

Dusty Sheets carries a Smith and Wesson 9 mm. Jessie Spaulding favors a Glock 9.

Boebert insists that the women be properly trained to protect -- and serve.

"There's room for errors in a lot of ways, so the best training is the best way to prevent those," Boebert said.

When asked about the possibility of a waitress shooting a customer, Bobert told CBS News, "we would go through extreme circumstances before that was our final option."

The Lacy family was split on the pistol-packing ladies when they visited. Jill was nervous.

"Uh, it's a little intimidating," she said. But nine-year-old Axel said he felt safer.

"They could just defend themselves and the store," he argued.

In Colorado, open carry requires no permit. A concealed weapon does.

And if you want to take it to the next level, Shooters offers the sidearm sandwich special. For $75 you can get a class on how to obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon, along with a burger.

As Petersen says, these waitresses work in Colorado: the Old West, and if you can't handle them packing heat, get out of the kitchen.

"Maybe if someone wandered in from New York City, from Washington D.C., they might be a little worried, said Doug Yajko, an area doctor. "But the local people, plus the people in western Colorado, are not going to be worried by someone with a handgun."

When you see the shooters at Shooters, our advice is to leave a really good tip.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/waitresses- ... -firearms/

In Washington it "is still" illegal to carry a firearm into a joint that serves alcohol. How the fuck do you have a permit to have a concealed weapon?

Gun nuts -- I swear to god. And Colorado, the "old west"? Been to Aspen lately? This is all a ruse by the "gun lobby" to appeal to the idea of there still remaining some fabled "old west". Though, I suppose Hunter H, was a gun nut himself and he chilled in Aspen. What a convoluted time we live in!

[mentalgongfu2]

This is all a ruse by the "gun lobby" to appeal to the idea of there still remaining some fabled "old west".

Yes, this.

I'm not worried by someone with a handgun. Or any other type of gun. Except when they feel some psychological need to carry it as an advertisement, The kind of attitude expressed in a gun-themed restaurant like this gives me the willies. I grew up with a familiarity with guns. I had BB gun in elementary school. I shot my first shotgun on clay targets by 13. Handgun not long after when we were out on the farm and my uncle brought his out, for fun, you know. Shooting targets on trees and such. Not a gun nut family by any means, but they were around. I knew where the gun closet was. I never touched it. That was a bad idea for many reasons, and the threat of punishment was the least of them.

There are rules of gun etiquette for a reason. This was taught to me, and made extremely clear. You don't play with them. You don't use them as status symbols or cultural icons. You don't aim one unless you intend to shoot. You don't shoot unless you intend to kill. That is what guns do. They are tools, very deadly tools. The purpose of a hammer is to pound nails. The purpose of a gun is to kill. You don't threaten, you don't warn, and you sure as hell don't parade around with a gun because it makes you feel cool. There's just something creepy about this gun infatuation in parts of our culture, an exhibitionist attitude about the whole thing. "Yeah, I carry a gun on my hip, so what? Whatcha gonna do about it?" There ain't no old west anymore in most of these places. People making scenes about gun rights aren't walking around country trails where mountain lions might attack. They're walking down residential neighborhoods saying "Screw with me, I dare ya."

Off on a rant here, I know. But as someone who supports the right to bear arms, there's something screwy going on here. And I don't just mean with the laws that make it so easy to obtain firearms. I'm OK with reasonable controls to keep guns out of the hands of would-be mass murderers, but there seems to be some mass mindfuck going on with people having something to prove and guns as the way to do it. For chrissake, look at this commercial from my own state's Republican Party 1st Congressional District candidate: *(having trouble working the embed feature, so just a link instead). Could start a whole other thread about this ad alone, not to mention the rest of the scary insanity going on in the Iowa Republican Party these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I3mG9fNOZp4

On second thought, maybe it's no so hard to understand. Calling the above link a veiled threat would be a bit of an exaggeration. Nothing veiled about it, really. Maybe it's just a bunch of angry people who want to kill everyone on the other side while pretending they have political stances.

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Since I hate guns and will never "own" one, that reminds me of this time that this character I worked with who loved guns. But that was the thing. He had a requisite that the only time you draw a gun was with intent to use it. Never to threaten. But he totally loved to show off his laser scope with someone walking across the parking lot and how he could take them out right now. I think us kids were just more fascinated by the laser and the fact that this laser would direct some bullet at the "target" which happens to be a living entity.

I too did the clay pidgeon shit once and learned that I simply hated guns. The 12 gauge knocked me on my ass.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Ignore my extreme arrogance and unwelcome foreign interjection for a moment, and think of this - in order to get a gun license, you must first qualify as a paramedic.

If you are willing to put a hole in somebody, you must first learn how to patch one up.

You will of course have to pay for the first-aid and medical courses which will eventually qualify you for a gun license - this will raise money for the government, which they can either spend on beneficial domestic social programmes or on bombing other countries (it won't make much difference to revenues or GDP either way). Electing a government which is more likely to do one than the other would still be up to you.

Are you unwilling to pay the fees and train yourself up to paramedic level in order to become a legal gun owner?

If so, why?

A "well regulated militia" will probably need more medics than shooters, especially if it's going up against a tyrannical US Government (or, much more likely, against another militia which happens to be loyal to the US Government).

Under my system, everyone legally entitled to bear arms would be trained to do both things - shoot, and heal. This could end up meaning half the deaths, and twice the gunfights, so everybody's happy.

It would also reduce pressure on the health care system, from all those guys who end up shooting themselves in the dick while cleaning their guns, as they would now have some elementary competence in stemming the geyser of blood erupting from their own former genitalia before they even got round to thinking of calling the emergency services.

I understand that, under my system, bad guys would still have access to guns. Criminals would still be able to access firearms, while decent people were temporarily deprived (until they qualified as medics). That's a long term problem, and one that no society on earth has ever solved.

Bad people tend to seek out, source, and store weaponry. They use it too. And trade it amongst themselves.

My idea is mostly about weaning good people away from doing the same things.

[brainpanhandler]

[Luther Blissett]

When these folks envision the future - in either 10 years or 100 years - what do they see? The rapture?

[brainpanhandler]

The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

[elfismiles]

Compton school police authorized to carry AR-15 assault weapons
http://media.scpr.org/audio/features/20 ... es1563.mp3

Wu argued officers are woefully underequipped in the event of a terrorist attack or mass shooting, in which shooters increasingly wear body armor, which is not penetrable with standard firearms. He cited a recent FBI study that found that roughly 5 percent of mass shooters have worn such armor. Wu said that while assault-style rifles are more deadly, they're also more accurate.

http://leb.fbi.gov/2014/january/active- ... 00-to-2012

"Handguns you'd be lucky to hit accurately at 25 yards," Wu said. "With a rifle in the hands of a trained person, you can be go 50, 100 yards accurately."
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"The school police has been very notorious in the community and in reality has never had to shoot anyone before," said Francisco Orozco, a recent Dominguez High School graduate and founder of the Compton Democratic Club. "So this escalation of weapons we feel is very unnecessary."

Orozco said the police could better focus on day-to-day security concerns on campus, rather than arming themselves for a worst-case scenario. He also pointed to a lawsuit filed last year by parents in the district, alleging racial profiling by Compton school police officers — as well as recent allegations by students of excessive force — as evidence of a rift between the department and the community.

"The school police has not even earned the right to carry handguns," Orozco said.
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http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/08/18/460 ... -question/