FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

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Re: FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

Postby pianoblues » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:33 am

That actually conflates two three a bunch of separate but related questions about whether or not what they reported was false and defamatory and to what extent they were at fault for it if it was.


True 'nuff that---what I'm trying to express or get at, more than determine at this point in any culpatory fashion, is that several media and political accounts of the Boston Marathon bombing thus far appear to me to be plausibly painted...The plethora of eye catching headlines, protected unidentified sources, protected journalists, unverified and unverifiable leaks if that's what they are rather than refined propoganda---I WONDER. Amongst other things; who? (if anyone) does the painted picture serve?

Admittedly, I'm sidetracking a bit BUT...Does labelling Tamerlin and Dzhokhar- THE Boston Bombers- No one else, lone actors who committed a heinous and terrifying crime inspired by their radicalized Muslim ideology and/or passion, rebellion against American freedoms blah blah blah indeed make anyone feel safer? Does INVESTIGATIVE journalism exist any longer in mainstream media?

Naom Chomsky-The raw material of news must pass through successive filters, leaving only the cleansed residue fit to print. They fix the premises of discourse and interpretation, and the definition of what is newsworthy in the first place, and they explain the basis and operations of what amount to propaganda campaigns. The elite domination of the media and marginalization of dissidents that results from the operation of these filters occurs so naturally that media news people, frequently operating with complete integrity and goodwill, are able to convince themselves that they choose and interpret the news "objectively" and on the basis of professional news values. Within the limits of the filter constraints they often are objective; the constraints are so powerful, and are built into the system in such a fundamental way, that alternative bases of news choices are hardly imaginable.


Dunno why, but so far regarding this case, the family connections and questions are most interesting to me...when the Todashev's parents 1st moved to USA they left Tamerlan behind for a year living with his Uncle Ruslan ( who'd helped the family with their emigration). Uncle Ruslan also adopted their cousin Husein, who he sent to live with the family in Cambridge and who attended school with Dzhokhar, then sent back to the homeland once Husein's biodad mysteriously reappeared from what? where? how? why? And now Husein's quiet, off the map somewhere we haven't learned where or why? Uncle Ruslan has had at least one potent CIA connection with his ex father-in-law etc etc and we know next to nuthin' so far 'bout the other uncle, Alvi? Except that he too, like Uncle Ruslan, appears quite well off. Ruslan doesn't like Zubeidat...ok...but I'd like to learn more...

What the hey, I'll hypothesize too....(at risk of being a hypocritical, pondering and/or pandering); can families play power and control games about money? Want my money? Behave as I want you to behave, or I'm gonna give you the slip....or, indignation, I helped you out and this is how you thank me? I'M dominant 'good' clean, honest, hardworking male and you aren't behaving as I like. You aren't teaching or influencing your children in ways that I appreciate, Zubeidat. Could Tamerlin have had his own viral dose of frustrated Alpha maledumb stoked by the family have and have nots money power tidal wave?
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Re: FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

Postby pianoblues » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:49 am

Russian Legal Information Agency (RAPSI)
Section: Special Coverage
The imperative of transparency as Boston Bombing probe takes a fatal turn
http://rapsinews.com/publications/20130 ... 15962.html
13:17 10/06/2013

Ingrid Burke, RAPSI

On May 22, the FBI Boston Division released a somewhat nebulous statement announcing that a “shooting incident involving an FBI special agent” had occurred early that same morning in Orlando. Without mentioning the names of any of those involved in the incident, the statement explained that during the course of an interview connected with the pending Boston Marathon bombing investigation, the interviewee had initiated a violent confrontation, adding that: “During the confrontation, the individual was killed and the agent sustained non-life threatening injuries.”

Early reports claimed that the interviewee, named as Ibragim Todashev – a 27-year-old US green-card holder of Chechen origin – had been somehow acquainted with deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26. Tsarnaev was killed in a police shootout following the April 15 Boston Marathon bombing, where twin explosions near the finish line left three dead and upwards of 200 injured. Tamerlan’s younger brother Dzhokhar, 19, was captured wounded but alive, and ultimately charged with using a weapon of mass destruction on US soil resulting in death, and with malicious property destruction by means of an explosive device resulting in death.

If convicted, Dzokhar faces the death penalty, or imprisonment for life or any number of years.

Then on May 29, a more substantive – relatively speaking – follow-up statement issued by the FBI’s National Press Office identified Todashev by name and outlined an action plan for its pending review of the incident: “The FBI is conducting a review of the May 22, 2013 shooting of Ibragim Todashev, 27, which occurred at Todashev’s residence… The FBI’s shooting incident review team interviews witnesses and gathers information regarding the shooting incident for presentation to a Shooting Incident Review Group (SIRG), which consists of members from the FBI and the Department of Justice. The SIRG examines all of the information and determines the reasonableness of the application of deadly force in accordance with the Department of Justice’s deadly force policy and the law.”

The statement closed with the FBI’s assurance that shooting incidents such as this are taken very seriously, “and as such, we have an effective, time-tested process for addressing them internally. The review process is thorough and objective and conducted as expeditiously as possible under the circumstances.”

As time passes and new details of the incident continue to emerge, however, it is becoming all too clear that this time-tested internal process may not pass muster under the steadily accumulating pressure driven by mass-curiosity over what exactly happened that night.
Challenging the official version

The Florida division of Islamic advocacy group the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) filed a complaint Saturday with the Civil Rights Division of the US Department of Justice (DOJ) calling for an “independent, thorough and transparent investigation… into the FBI’s shooting of Ibrahim Todashev after several hours of interrogation at his home.”

According to a copy of the complaint obtained by RAPSI, the organization represents Todashev’s family in seeking a response to three core issues: “First, it is essential that information be released both to the family and to the public regarding the continuous investigation of Mr. Todashev and the events leading to his untimely death. Secondly, a specific inquiry is necessary to determine if law enforcement’s investigative procedures violated Mr. Todashev’s constitutional rights under the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendment. Lastly, your Division should determine whether the agents involved used excessive force.”

The Boston Globe likewise reported Tuesday that the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is keeping an eye on the case. The news agency quoted Senior Policy Counsel Michael German of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office as having stated: “We’re concerned, like many other groups, about the way this story has changed… What we’d like to see is an independent and transparent investigation into what happened in this case.”

RAPSI will explore some of the legal questions raised by the case momentarily. First, let’s take a look at the tangled web of details that presently constitutes the story of Todashev’s demise.

So, what happened?

In the words of the CAIR complaint, “[w]hile the official version of events changes daily, it appears that an unarmed Mr. Todashev was fatally shot at least seven times, including once in the head.”

Anyone who has closely followed the case can attest that the story has tended over the past couple of weeks to change course at a merciless pace, particularly at the hands of officials speaking with major media outlets on the condition of anonymity. The plotline remains as murky as it does dramatic, having been replete with bizarre plot twists and props ranging from broomsticks to samurai swords.

The Associated Press (AP) cited three anonymous law enforcement officials in a report published the evening of the shooting as having initially claimed that Todashev had lunged at the special agent with a knife. Later that day, however, two of these officials reportedly backtracked – stating that the situation was no longer clear.

Citing anonymous law enforcement sources of its own, The Washington Post reported May 30 that Todashev had in fact been unarmed at the time of the shooting. One of the Post’s sources claimed that Todashev had lunged at an FBI agent and had overturned a table, but that he had not been armed with either a gun or a knife. A second source reportedly echoed the claim that Todashev had been unarmed. One of the Post’s sources claimed that one FBI agent was alone in the room with Todashev when things got out of hand, as the other law enforcement officials present had stepped out of the room.

Yet another anonymous source – this one described as a senior law enforcement official – told The New York Times (NYT) that Todashev had begun work on a written confession admitting his involvement in a 2011 triple homicide in the presence of the FBI agent and a Massachusetts detective . The agent then reportedly looked away when suddenly Todashev threw a table at him. As the story goes, the detective was wounded and knocked over, and then pulled his gun as he rose to his feet. At that point, Todashev was said to have begun running toward the agent with what may have been either a metal pole or a broomstick. By this account, even gunfire didn’t stop Todashev, who charged once again after being shot. At this point, according to the NYT source, the agent fired several shots, ultimately killing Todashev.

Then on May 30, Todashev’s father stated during a press conference in Moscow that his son had been killed by a gunshot that had been fired at his head at point-blank range. Showing reporters photographs of what he claimed to be his son’s corpse, riddled with bullets, the elder Todashev explained, “He was questioned for eight hours…

Then they shot him, six times in the body and once in the head.” At the press conference, Todashev speculated as to what could have inspired the authorities to shoot his son in the back of the head, but did not explicitly blame anyone involved for intentionally killing his son. He did not, on the other hand, stop short of accusing them of banditry: “They are bandits, not FBI agents.”

Todashev’s constitutional rights

The CAIR complaint addressed Todashev’s rights in accordance with the fourth, fifth, and sixth amendments to the US Constitution. These amendments as a whole serve to protect the rights of individuals somehow implicated in or suspected of criminal activities.

The Fourth Amendment prohibits unlawful searches and seizures and imposes a narrowly tailored warrant requirement. According to its text: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

The Fifth Amendment establishes a range of rights for individuals implicated in criminal cases. Among these is the requirement that a Grand Jury indictment or presentment must be present before a civilian in ordinary circumstances can face conviction for serious crimes: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger.”

The Fifth Amendment provides for the right against self-incrimination: “nor shall [any person] be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,” as well as for due process rights: “nor [shall any person] be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

The Sixth Amendment provides for the right of the criminally accused to a fair and timely public trial: “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.”

Reasonable and excessive force policies

According to the FBI’s website, “FBI special agents may use deadly force only when necessary—when the agent has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the agent or another person. If feasible, a verbal warning to submit to the authority of the special agent is given prior to the use of deadly force.”

The CAIR complaint didn’t explicitly state which laws or policies should be referenced in encouraging the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division to pursue an investigation into the use of excessive force. However, the Division’s website explains that excessive force falls under the types of misconduct covered by the US federal law on the deprivation of rights under the color of law. Acts carried out under the “color of law” refer to acts committed by persons using the power given to them by a government agency, even if in doing so they are not acting within the scope of their official authority.

The text of the law itself refers to the commission of such acts when motivated by the person’s status as an alien, or by his race or color. The Division, however, notes explicitly that: “Enforcement of these provisions does not require that any racial, religious, or other discriminatory motive existed.”

The law stipulates the following punishments in the case of the victim’s death: “if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.” The Division only mentions fines and imprisonment as punishment options, however.
In other words, there are options in the US justice system in case the worst is confirmed. As the case remains veiled in mystery, however, it is difficult to say with any degree of certainty whether and how Todashev’s rights were violated. Between the official press releases that have tended toward epitomizing vagueness and the disjointed reports leaked by anonymous law enforcement officials to mass media outlets, we are left with all the trappings of a Hollywood thriller, and none of the concrete facts that would ordinarily anchor our temptation to fall into such hysteria.
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FBI is sure taking it's dear sweet time to describe what happened...
"expeditiously as possible under the circumstances.”
???

Did they forget to put Ibragim's fingerprints on the knife/sword/pole/broomstick/pen?...They must really need to learn if anyone else he was close to; his girlfriend, wife, mother-in-law had learned whatever they were afraid of and/or sure that he'd learned from Tamerlin, as all those people were being interviewed simultaneously by them before Ibragim took a bullet to the head.
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Re: FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

Postby compared2what? » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:18 am

pianoblues » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:33 am wrote:Does INVESTIGATIVE journalism exist any longer in mainstream media?


If it's the type of outlet that likes to collect big, prestigious awards,. then yes. They assign it specifically to compete in the "investigative reporting" category.

Other than that, they probably think it's too expensive and time-consuming.

Enterprise journalism is another thing you don't see much of anymore. Not that you ever did. But still.

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Dunno why, but so far regarding this case, the family connections and questions are most interesting to me...when the Todashev's parents 1st moved to USA they left Tamerlan behind for a year living with his Uncle Ruslan ( who'd helped the family with their emigration). Uncle Ruslan also adopted their cousin Husein, who he sent to live with the family in Cambridge and who attended school with Dzhokhar, then sent back to the homeland once Husein's biodad mysteriously reappeared from what? where? how? why? And now Husein's quiet, off the map somewhere we haven't learned where or why? Uncle Ruslan has had at least one potent CIA connection with his ex father-in-law etc etc and we know next to nuthin' so far 'bout the other uncle, Alvi? Except that he too, like Uncle Ruslan, appears quite well off. Ruslan doesn't like Zubeidat...ok...but I'd like to learn more...


Me too. I'd also like to see a little coverage that wasn't so provincially American, POV-wise. There are other countries and cultures that are relevant. After all.
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Re: FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

Postby pianoblues » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:47 am

Lol, just watched Comedy Central's John Oliver and Jon Stewart skit special which announced CNN's eliminating its investigative journalism dept. altogether; 'Too expensive".

Me too. I'd also like to see a little coverage that wasn't so provincially American, POV-wise. There are other countries and cultures that are relevant. After all.


True dat, no doubt---culture is influential no matter where...language differences don't, can't alone define what may be 'lost in translation'/ or comprehension.

And yet, the killings took place on USA soil. If it were Americans being suspected of, accused of and/or killed for suspected terrorism and/or murder abroad, the State Dept. would raise their eyebrows and insist for some answers to their questions, even if the foreign authorities were operating out of alleged self defense or protection of its citizens. The foreign press would be all over it, (for better or for worse-Foxy Knoxy) at least in Italy, where I live...

For me, it's too simple, conveniently dismissive, in this case so far, to hypothesize that it's simply the 'other guys' -the foreigners- regarding the Boston Marathon bombings, the Waltham triple murder and Todashev's demise, despite that being as plausible an hypothesis as any, it doesn't cop to any of the announced denials of pre knowledge or suspicion of the bombings before they happened.

NUMEROUS agent witnesses to Ibragim's situation but none of 'em can say squat on the record, including medical autopsy personel? For WHAT possible reasoning should the public not be permitted to learn how many shots were fired, where, from what distance? Is law enforcement withholding and postponing informing its citizens until an International court insists they do otherwise?

Much has been written about how the FBI could have, or might have prevented the Boston Marathon bombings if they'd paid any attention to their own watch lists, or listened to the CIA who was also contacted by the Russian authorities...that I've read so far, however, few are asking why the Russians allowed Tamerlin back to the homeland twice! When he was obviously on their suspected terrorist watch list too- when purportedly, his mom even had some of her phone calls monitored??

And last but not least, WHERE did the $ come from, for alligator shoes, education and Mercedes?
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Re: FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

Postby pianoblues » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:32 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/us/in ... d=all&_r=0

June 18, 2013
The F.B.I. Deemed Agents Faultless in 150 Shootings
By CHARLIE SAVAGE and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT

WASHINGTON — After contradictory stories emerged about an F.B.I. agent’s killing last month of a Chechen man in Orlando, Fla., who was being questioned over ties to the Boston Marathon bombing suspects, the bureau reassured the public that it would clear up the murky episode.

“The F.B.I. takes very seriously any shooting incidents involving our agents, and as such we have an effective, time-tested process for addressing them internally,” a bureau spokesman said.

But if such internal investigations are time-tested, their outcomes are also predictable: from 1993 to early 2011, F.B.I. agents fatally shot about 70 “subjects” and wounded about 80 others — and every one of those episodes was deemed justified, according to interviews and internal F.B.I. records obtained by The New York Times through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

The last two years have followed the same pattern: an F.B.I. spokesman said that since 2011, there had been no findings of improper intentional shootings.

In most of the shootings, the F.B.I.’s internal investigation was the only official inquiry. In the Orlando case, for example, there have been conflicting accounts about basic facts like whether the Chechen man, Ibragim Todashev, attacked an agent with a knife, was unarmed or was brandishing a metal pole. But Orlando homicide detectives are not independently investigating what happened.

“We had nothing to do with it,” said Sgt. Jim Young, an Orlando police spokesman. “It’s a federal matter, and we’re deferring everything to the F.B.I.”

Occasionally, the F.B.I. does discipline an agent. Out of 289 deliberate shootings covered by the documents, many of which left no one wounded, five were deemed to be “bad shoots,” in agents’ parlance — encounters that did not comply with the bureau’s policy, which allows deadly force if agents fear that their lives or those of fellow agents are in danger. A typical punishment involved adding letters of censure to agents’ files. But in none of the five cases did a bullet hit anyone.

Critics say the fact that for at least two decades no agent has been disciplined for any instance of deliberately shooting someone raises questions about the credibility of the bureau’s internal investigations. Samuel Walker, a professor of criminal justice at the University of Nebraska Omaha who studies internal law enforcement investigations, called the bureau’s conclusions about cases of improper shootings “suspiciously low.”

Current and former F.B.I. officials defended the bureau’s handling of shootings, arguing that the scant findings of improper behavior were attributable to several factors. Agents tend to be older, more experienced and better trained than city police officers. And they generally are involved only in planned operations and tend to go in with “overwhelming presence,” minimizing the chaos that can lead to shooting the wrong people, said Tim Murphy, a former deputy director of the F.B.I. who conducted some investigations of shootings over his 23-year career.

The F.B.I.’s shootings range from episodes so obscure that they attract no news media attention to high-profile cases like the 2009 killing of an imam in a Detroit-area warehouse that is the subject of a lawsuit alleging a cover-up, and a 2002 shooting in Maryland in which the bureau paid $1.3 million to a victim and yet, the records show, deemed the shooting to have been justified.

With rare exceptions — like suicides — whenever an agent fires his weapon outside of training, a team of agents from the F.B.I.’s Inspection Division, sometimes with a liaison from the local police, compiles a report reconstructing what happened. This “shooting incident review team” interviews witnesses and studies medical, ballistics and autopsy reports, eventually producing a narrative. Such reports typically do not include whether an agent had been involved in any previous shootings, because they focus only on the episode in question, officials said.

That narrative, along with binders of supporting information, is then submitted to a “shooting incident review group” — a panel of high-level F.B.I. officials in Washington. The panel produces its own narrative as part of a report saying whether the shooting complied with bureau policy — and recommends what discipline to mete out if it did not — along with any broader observations about “lessons learned” to change training or procedures.

F.B.I. officials stressed that their shooting reviews were carried out under the oversight of both the Justice Department’s inspector general and the Civil Rights Division, and that local prosecutors have the authority to bring charges.

The 2,200 pages of records obtained by The Times include an internal F.B.I. study that compiled shooting episode statistics over a 17-year period, as well as a collection of individual narratives of intentional shootings from 1993 to early 2011. Gunfire was exchanged in 58 such episodes; 9 law enforcement officials died, and 38 were wounded.

The five “bad shoots” included cases in which an agent fired a warning shot after feeling threatened by a group of men, an agent fired at a weapon lying on the ground to disable it during an arrest, and two agents fired their weapons while chasing fugitives but hit no one. In another case, an agent fired at a safe during a demonstration, and ricocheting material caused minor cuts in a crowd of onlookers.

Four of the cases were in the mid-1990s, and the fifth was in 2003.

In many cases, the accuracy of the F.B.I. narrative is difficult to evaluate because no independent alternative report has been produced. As part of the reporting for this article, the F.B.I. voluntarily made available a list of shootings since 2007 that gave rise to lawsuits, but it was rare for any such case to have led to a full report by an independent authority.

Occasionally, however, there were alternative reviews. One, involving a March 2002 episode in which an agent shot an innocent Maryland man in the head after mistaking him for a bank robbery suspect, offers a case study in how the nuances of an F.B.I. official narrative can come under scrutiny.

In that episode, agents thought that the suspect would be riding in a car driven by his sister and wearing a white baseball cap. An innocent man, Joseph Schultz, then 20, happened to cross their path, wearing a white cap and being driven by his girlfriend. Moments after F.B.I. agents carrying rifles pulled their car over and surrounded it, Agent Christopher Braga shot Mr. Schultz in the jaw. He later underwent facial reconstruction surgery, and in 2007 the bureau paid $1.3 million to settle a lawsuit.

The internal review, however, deemed it a good shoot. In the F.B.I.’s narrative, Agent Braga says that he shouted “show me your hands,” but that Mr. Schultz instead reached toward his waist, so Agent Braga fired “to eliminate the threat.” While one member of the review group said that “after reading the materials provided, he could not visualize the presence of ‘imminent danger’ to law enforcement officers,” the rest of the group voted to find the shooting justified, citing the “totality of the circumstances surrounding the incident,” including that it involved a “high-risk stop.”

But an Anne Arundel County police detective prepared an independent report about the episode, and a lawyer for Mr. Schultz, Arnold Weiner, conducted a further investigation for the lawsuit. Both raised several subtle but important differences.

For example, the F.B.I. narrative describes a lengthy chase of Mr. Schultz’s car after agents turned on their siren at an intersection, bolstering an impression that it was reasonable for Agent Braga to fear that Mr. Schultz was a dangerous fugitive. The narrative spends a full page describing this moment in great detail, saying that the car “rapidly accelerated” and that one agent shouted for it to stop “over and over again.” It cites another agent as estimating that the car stopped “approximately 100 yards” from the intersection.

By contrast, the police report describes this moment in a short, skeptical paragraph. Noting that agents said they had thought the car was fleeing, it points out that the car “was, however, in a merge lane and would need to accelerate to enter traffic.” Moreover, a crash reconstruction specialist hired for the lawsuit estimated that the car had reached a maximum speed of 12 miles per hour, and an F.B.I. sketch, obtained in the lawsuit, put broken glass from a car window 142 feet 8 inches from the intersection.

The F.B.I. narrative does not cite Mr. Schultz’s statement and omits that a crucial fact was disputed: how Mr. Schultz had moved in the car. In a 2003 sworn statement, Agent Braga said that Mr. Schultz “turned to his left, towards the middle of the car, and reached down.” But Mr. Schultz insisted that he had instead reached toward the car door on his right because he had been listening to another agent who was simultaneously shouting “open the door.”

A former F.B.I. agent, hired to write a report analyzing the episode for the plaintiffs, concluded that “no reasonable F.B.I. agent in Braga’s position would reasonably have believed that deadly force was justified.” He also noted pointedly that Agent Braga had been involved in a previous shooting episode in 2000 that he portrayed as questionable, although it had been found to be justified by the F.B.I.’s internal review process.

Asked to comment on the case, a lawyer for Agent Braga, Andrew White, noted last week that a grand jury had declined to indict his client in the shooting.

In some cases, alternative official accounts for several other shootings dovetailed with internal F.B.I. narratives.

One involved the October 2009 death of Luqman Ameen Abdullah, a prayer leader at a Detroit-area mosque who was suspected of conspiring to sell stolen goods and was shot during a raid on a warehouse. The F.B.I. report says that Mr. Abdullah got down on the ground but kept his hands hidden, so a dog was unleashed to pull his arms into view. He then pulled out a gun and shot the dog, the report says, and he was in turn shot by four agents.

The Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations filed a lawsuit against the F.B.I. The group was concerned in part because the handgun had no recoverable fingerprints and because of facial injuries to Mr. Abdullah. It also contends that the dog may have been shot instead by the F.B.I. agents and the gun thrown down in a cover-up.

A report by the Michigan attorney general’s office, however, detailed an array of evidence that it says “corroborates the statements of the agents as to the sequence of events,” including that bullet fragments in the dog’s corpse were consistent with the handgun, not the rifles used by the F.B.I. agents. Such an independent account of an F.B.I. shooting is rare. After the recent killing of Mr. Todashev in Orlando, both the Florida chapter of the same group and his father have called for investigators outside the F.B.I. to scrutinize the episode.

James J. Wedick, who spent 34 years at the bureau, said the F.B.I. should change its procedures for its own good.

“At the least, it is a perception issue, and over the years the bureau has had a deaf ear to it,” he said. “But if you have a shooting that has a few more complicated factors and an ethnic issue, the bureau’s image goes down the toilet if it doesn’t investigate itself properly.”
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Re: FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

Postby pianoblues » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:12 am

http://www.patriotledger.com/topstories ... z2XJ6foJ4p

Posted Jun 23, 2013 @ 07:21 PM
MATT CONNOLLY: FBI still mum on death of Ibragim Todashev
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By Matt Connolly

Todashev

On May 22, 2013 Ibragim Todshev was involved in a homicide. He was the victim. He was in a room with at least six law enforcement officers. The homicide occurred in Florida. The State of Florida refuses to investigate it. Two of the officers were Massachusetts State Police officers. The Massachusetts State Police refuse to discuss what happened.

He was gunned down with about 7 bullets by an FBI agent. Immediately after the shooting the FBI began investigating what happened in that room. This was to be an easy one. Only cops could say what happened. No messy civilian witnesses who might not have seen correctly.

If you wanted to find out what happened, you’d ask the officers who were present and you’d know. How long would it take you to do that? An hour, two. Maybe a day or two if you were particularly inept. Then you’d know and you could tell the public what happened in that room.

We are now a month after that event. The FBI is still covering up investigating what happened. We don’t even know how many officers were present in the room. We know nothing. Even our state authorities are terrorized into not speaking about it. Such silence from our officials is something new.

Let me ask you: did you ever think they’d come a time in America when a person could be the victim of a homicide and you’d never find out how it happened, or, if you did it was only after what happened was washed, rinsed and hung out to dry? Did you ever think one cop could kill an unarmed person in a room full of cops and it'd take at least a month to learn anything about it?

How are we any different from those countries who made people they did not like disappear? Where is our free press that is supposed to be watching out for these things? How would you feel if it happened to someone you loved that she could be killed in a room jammed full of cops and you were told they could not tell you what happened until they massaged the facts?

The New York Times reported. that the FBI deemed its agents faultless in 150 shootings from 1993 to 2001. Ain’t that interesting?

We just happen to know about the shooting of Frankie Roche in 2004. He went on the run after getting his money for the hit on Big Al Bruno and was caught by the FBI in Florida in July 2004. He was shot in the back while prone on the ground and handcuffed. He later received a $150,000 settlement from the government. How is it that an FBI agent is found faultless after shooting a guy lying on the ground in the back? Only in America.

The Orlando Sentinel believes the FBI agent will not be found at fault. Not one other newspaper in the country, least of all Boston where the 4-15-13 terrorist attack occurred, and Ibragim is alleged to have committed a triple murder, seems to care about the FBI's ineptitude.

The FBI says it “takes very seriously any shooting incidents involving our agents” according to the Orlando paper. So seriously that it must go to extraordinary lengths to stick to its first Commandment: Don't Embarrass The Family.

Most Americans sleep and yawn while the FBI ignores a call of a few for more openness and truthfulness. (We are still waiting to hear what it did after the Russians tipped them off about Tamerlan and coming up upon the two year anniversary of the investigation in to why reputed Mafia murderer Mark Rossetti was a top echelon informant.)

The FBI apparently figures it should not do anything other than what the people want. It seems most Americans just want someone else to be concerned. That's how the government accrues more power and how the secret police in other states have come about. That this is a new America is shown clearly by the ability to have an FBI agent gun down a young man and not be required to answer for its action until it is good and ready, which could mean never.

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Re: FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

Postby pianoblues » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:58 pm

...whisked away....this regards the woman that Ibragim was living with in the apartment where he was shot. 'Former' girlfriend because he was killed. I wondered what role she might have played, if any, in the bloody mess.

She was taken in afterwards, held, and now has been sent off...will we ever hear anything more about her? Will the case of the Todashev homicide be settled out of court with a pay off to his family and separated wife that stipulates silence?

http://ruptly.tv/vod/view/2194/usa-girl ... v-deported
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USA: Girlfriend of killed Ibragim Todashev deported

Former girlfriend of Ibragim Todashev, Tatiana Gruzdeva, was deported from the United States on Wednesday at Miami International Airport. In May this year investigators questioned Todashev for over eight hours about his suspected association with Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings. Todashev, was shot dead during the interrogation by several law enforcement officers inside his Florida apartment.

According to authorities, Todashev became belligerent under interrogation and attempted to attack an FBI agent. In response the agent fired six close range shots at Todeshevs' torso and head. Todashev was a Chechen citizen and also a legal resident of the US.

Gruzdeva is flying to Moscow's Vnukovo Airport on Transaero Flight 888, after being placed onto the plane by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Agents arrested Gruzdeva on May 16 for immigration violations. During her month-long detainment authorities obtained court approval for her deportation.
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Postby Crow » Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:31 pm

So she's hanging with Snowden at the Moscow airport. They must make really good cocktails there.
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Postby bks » Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:43 pm

My convoluted effort to synthesize some of the info on Todashev's killing, and place it in the history of FBI perfidy in/related to Boston. Maybe someone can embed the video, since I'm still a bit slow in that regard?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5LH3vP2F9A
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Postby Jerky » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:04 am

Did you create this video, BKS? If so, I will link to it on my paraculture blog.

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bks » 30 Jun 2013 03:43 wrote:My convoluted effort to synthesize some of the info on Todashev's killing, and place it in the history of FBI perfidy in/related to Boston. Maybe someone can embed the video, since I'm still a bit slow in that regard?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5LH3vP2F9A
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Re: FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

Postby bks » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:17 pm

Yes, that's me in the vid. I'm not the editor, though.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:04 pm

bks » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:17 pm wrote:Yes, that's me in the vid. I'm not the editor, though.


Wait, BKS...you're the host of Collateral? I've seen a lot of the episodes. So cool! I love your demeanor. Are you involved in professional acting?
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Postby bks » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:41 pm

thanks, 8bit. I'm not in any sense a professional actor. It was a very nice thing to be a part of for awhile, and I'm trying to revive it now. Unfortunately one of the driving forces behind it can't join me, as he's returned to Europe. We'll see how it goes.

Collateral has allways been done on a zero-budget, and we strive for one take (though don't always succeed). I'm out of practice, and need to sharpen my writing.
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Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:49 am

Wow, not sure if I'd ever seen y'all's vids before. Will definitely post them on some of my sites. Good job! :thumbsup

bks » 30 Jun 2013 23:41 wrote:thanks, 8bit. I'm not in any sense a professional actor. It was a very nice thing to be a part of for awhile, and I'm trying to revive it now. Unfortunately one of the driving forces behind it can't join me, as he's returned to Europe. We'll see how it goes.

Collateral has allways been done on a zero-budget, and we strive for one take (though don't always succeed). I'm out of practice, and need to sharpen my writing.
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Re: FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects

Postby beeline » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:48 pm

Sorry if this has been posted already...I was unaware of any potential witnesses

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Potential witness gets stay extended
Fla. roommate of Todashev’s was set to be deported


A potential witness in the May fatal shooting of Ibragim Todashev by an FBI agent in Florida has been granted permission to stay in the United States until the end of the month.

An immigration judge in Miami originally ordered Tatiana Igorevna Gruzdeva, a 19-year-old aspiring foreign language teacher and a Russian citizen who was arrested for overstaying her visa, to leave the country no later than July 1, but the removal office of the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency granted her a 30-day extension, according to an ICE official.

The agency did not say why it granted the extension.

Gruzdeva will remain in jail until she leaves the country per the immigration judge’s order. Officials say she first came to the United States last year.
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Gruzdeva’s ordered deportation had drawn concern from the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Florida, which is investigating Todashev’s death.

Todashev, 27, a Russian native living in Orlando when he was killed, was a friend of accused Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev and was interviewed several times about that relationship.

During his final voluntary interview, Todashev was shot multiple times and killed by an agent who said the man attacked him.

Details of what happened in the moments before the shooting remain shrouded in secrecy, with the FBI refusing to release any information, citing an ongoing investigation.

Gruzdeva was Todashev’s roommate in Orlando.
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