Trailer For Scahill's Theatrical Doc Film "Dirty Wars"

[Wombaticus Rex]

What if, and bare with me...what if there are elements within the government that gladly source the Scahills of the world with information. Kind of bragging rights, a controlled left?

That's the whole history of the CIA, yes. State Department is another major source of bureaucrats with a liberal conscience, and that's why they are so security obsessed. (For instance, you can't even email anyone in the state dept unless you're also on a .gov TLD. I know because those folks never pay their bills and I've had to contact them for a number of employers over the years....and, you can't.)

[General Patton]

What if, and bare with me...what if there are elements within the government that gladly source the Scahills of the world with information. Kind of bragging rights, a controlled left?
I believe Scahill is sincere, but how does he have so much access? Hastings seems like he was even more hard hitting.

I'm not sure how many of the bureaucrats in Washington are liberal, but I'd bet more of them are than not. Washington DC consistently votes liberal (91% Obama last election, though that's partially because the city is half black) and most of the people who live there are lawyers or "advisors" involved with the government in some capacity. They do more to run the government than any of the political appointees. If enough of them get pissed off at any given politician they no doubt have enough to sink him/her, or just feed the press some bullshit that can get spun out of control.

[MinM]

Douglas Valentine sends another "Valentine" to Daniel Ellsberg...

Show #642
Original airdate: August 8, 2013
Guests: Joseph McBride / Douglas Valentine
Topics: Into The Nightmare (Interview 3)

# Douglas Valentine (41:49) Real Media or MP3 download

# Daniel Ellsberg, the Pentagon Papers, and Ed Lansdale
# Doug was of draftable age during the Vietnam war
# The Phoenix Program, pacification, Lansdale put in Diem
# 1957 to 1963, the Office of Special Operations, CIA liason
# Lansdale returned to Vietnam in 1965 to work for Ambassador Lodge
# Ellsberg had been a marine, he joined Lansdale's super spooks team
# Ellsberg never mentions his work with the CIA in Vietnam
# Violating the rules of land warfare, Lucien Conein, Frank Scott
# High level espionage and intrigues, CIA Station Chief John Hart
# Ellsberg, a great lover, a girl named Germaine, a torrid affair
# The media know about Ellsberg's background, but it never comes out
# Why the secrecy? The myth of the Pentagon Papers
# Will the Real Daniel Ellsberg Please Stand Up! (Valentine/2003)
# Scott put Ellsberg up to publishing the Papers
# Why is everyone covering for the king of the whistleblowers?
# In The Midst of Wars (Lansdale/1991), control of the opium trade
# It's the rich one percent that the CIA and military really work for
# The NSA started working with the DEA in 1972 to monitor telephone calls
# Closing U.S. Embassy's for two days, psychological warfare
# Planned in advance, a story prepared, we accept this stuff
# When we left Vietnam, it became convenient to reveal the drug trafficking
# Noriega was allowed to deal drugs until the CIA wanted to get rid of him
# Ed Lansdale photographed in Dealey Plaza, Operation Mongoose
# Doug's book, TDY (2000), highly recommended by Len

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black642b.mp3

Looks like Sibel Edmonds and James Corbett share Doug Valentine's perspective on this subject.

I notice that even amongst the alternative to the mainstream left(your Greenwalds, Cenks, Scahills, etc) that even hinting at foul play in accidents/suicides/etc is taboo.

I'm extremely disappointed in that development. Larisa Alexandrovna Horton, who while working at The Raw Story was bold enough to write pieces documenting attempts by Task Force 20 in Iraq to have WMDs planted for them to find, recently responded to the death of Michael Hastings on Facebook demanding "Internet loons" stop emailing theories of his death to her. She followed that up by stating, "In the U.S. journalists are not killed. They are discredited." Right. I'm sure that Jim Koethe and Bill Hunter, as well as Dorothy Kilgallen might beg to differ. Oh, but that was so long ago, that sort of thing can't happen in 21st century America, right?!

what you don't know is how spooked a given person may or may not be, it's easy to be brave when it's all an abstract unlikely possibility and/or you have no life at stake but ones own.

That's possible. Hastings was, by her own words, friends with her husband, Scott Horton. So that could be a factor. I'm not sure if her statements are a defense mechanism or if some annoying nut just got under their skins. But US journalists not killed here? Patent falsehood. And I'm not even one of those guys who thinks the CIA offed Gary Webb, I buy Michael Ruppert's explanation that it was indeed suicide. But I don't think the outfit that silenced the aforementioned Koethe, Hunter and Kilgallen just closed shop once the JFK case was swept under the rug.

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It's @ 01:19:00 where he gets into Scahill's "Smoke Screen" .. Over the protestations of Scott Horton by the way.

Mountain's critique is very much in line with Douglas Valentine's. Although with Valentine the main objection centered around the hijacking/whitewashing of the term "Dirty Wars."

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It's interesting to see how these reporters diverge and 'evolve' depending on the issue and over time...

Larisa Alexandrovna @ RawStory, along with Maureen Farrell @ Buzzflash and Larry Chin @ Online Journal, were my must reads back in the day. Kurt Nimmo @ Another Day in the Empire was another good one before he drank the Alex Jonestown koolaid.

[elfismiles]

Well, I'm sure there are a few new mothers out there who've continued working their investigative journalism jobs but I don't know there names.

It's interesting to see how these reporters diverge and 'evolve' depending on the issue and over time...

Larisa Alexandrovna @ RawStory, along with Maureen Farrell @ Buzzflash and Larry Chin @ Online Journal, were my must reads back in the day. Kurt Nimmo @ Another Day in the Empire was another good one before he drank the Alex Jonestown koolaid.

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[8bitagent]

Finally saw Dirty Wars.

Um. Yeah.

FUCK OBAMA.

That is all.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Finally saw Dirty Wars.

Um. Yeah.

FUCK OBAMA.

That is all.

A potent approximation that raises interesting questions about whose agenda Scahill's approach actually serves.

RAND PAUL / CAT FOOD 2016.

[KeenInsight]

Well to be fair Scahill is really a celebrity journalist. He may know very well other aspects, but does not cover them as he is carving out his 'niche' as a journalist to gain recognition. So in other words, if he thinks something is too controversial (even though there be more truth to it), then he won't go fully into - otherwise he won't get invited to big time shows. MSM labels anyone that is too controversial as nutters, thanks to a long tradition since JFK when the CIA coined the term 'conspiracy theory' to dissuade people from talking about any wrongdoing or coverups by the state. THAT is the bottom line.

BUT, on the other hand, Scahill DOES agree that it does not matter who you vote for in the U.S., as he stated before it is not merely Obama that is the problem - any President that comes to office can not control the Surveillance State or Military Industrial Complex. They however are complicit in any orders they sign whether they are aware or blissfully ignorant. People like Cheney, Bush, or Obama would be granted the death sentence if they were tried for real in the international court, just for signing orders that kill thousands and millions of innocent people.

Perhaps he does get sourced information from intelligence agencies, who knows, but at least he appears to have a conscious. To me it seems like his goal is to reach out to more people so they can see and hear from those innocent people that have suffered.



Other people like Corbett, Abby Martin, or countless others obviously aren't afraid to talk about more in-depth wrongdoings of the state. They just care about finding the truth, rather than if they will get invited to appear on an MSM show.

[8bitagent]

Finally saw Dirty Wars.

Um. Yeah.

FUCK OBAMA.

That is all.

A potent approximation that raises interesting questions about whose agenda Scahill's approach actually serves.

RAND PAUL / CAT FOOD 2016.

Thats like saying the angry Vietnam protestors in 1968 were secretly trying to get Nixon into power. Ok actually, now that I think about it...I coulda seen a sneaky GOP strategist ratchet up concerned leftists to hate Obama enough so that Romney wins.

[Wombaticus Rex]

It is also like saying Libertarian candidates wound up diluting the GOP's core conservatism and reducing them to a corporate contractor for Evangelical money. For instance, regardless of how smart this monkey thinks he is, my own "approach" serves interests other than my own, every day.

The only thing I can actively hold against Scahill is his craven love of celebrity. It's easy to tell yourself that you're doing it to get the message out. Then in a few years you'll realize the only message left is your headshots & bio.