Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby luv2dive » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:26 am

Okay, here are some things that I have found to be interesting as I've been reading on this story.

On the LiveLeaks page with two videos of the crash scene and running the red light http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ade_1371 ... ent_page=5 , there are some interesting comments.

Several posters mention that the street in the area is not smooth, and is bumpy from the tree roots, etc., making it unsafe to drive at high speeds. Do any of you in the area know if this is true?

Another commenter somewhere in the thread noted the fire hydrant which was hit in the crash, which you can see in the video when the authorities are on the scene extinguishing the fire. The poster suggested a scenario in which he was traveling at high rate of speed, hit a bump in road, went airborne, bottomed out and lost control, went into median and hit the hydrant, which then as it went under the car, popped the engine mounts loose, the engine then continues the trajectory down the street, while the car body slides around and strikes or comes to rest at the tree, and then bursts into flames.

It's hard from the video to really understand which direction the car was originally traveling. The direction of travel at the time of the crash in relation to the final resting place of the engine/transmission may provide some clue as to the accident.

There seems to be lots of small debris on the street in the general area of where the engine/transmission ended up. Not sure where that all came from unless the engine & transmission fell out first, then the car continued to travel into the median, over the fire hydrant, ripping the gas tank and spilling fuel onto the hot exhaust pipes, burst into flames/hit tree.

Also on the video where the loudlab guy is asking the Spanish speaking man what he witnessed, I got the impression that the Spanish speaker was trying to convey that the car was going very very fast, and he uses a hand motion to convey a motion like striking downward, then upward, I think to describe "bottoming out", then maybe a motion like "spinning", then crash.


Then there is this very weird comment from the page I listed above - about 1/2 way down on page 5 of the comments (sorted by oldest first) by Lukow

phone # this is the phone number to family house of a Department of Homeland Security secret operative, his name is Liebling, Joseph. He is responsible for "fixing" Michael Hastings car. I found it on hidden network, torproject site, onion crypto web. Have fun people :)

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Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ade_1371 ... qkTvMrM.99

Not being much of a computer person, I don't really know what he means about where he "found" it.

But that is one weird and creepy comment.

edited to remove ph #
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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby justdrew » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:49 am

the car was traveling southbound

the problem with the 'fire hydrant' idea is, there is/was no fire hydrant there. I zoomed in on google maps, no hydrant. I can only assume it's a spout of water from a broken in-ground sprinkler system. (or a water elemental)

Please edit out the phone number, it's likely just some asshole's attempt to cause someone to get annoying phone calls. does not appear to belong to the name mentioned in the claim either.
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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby thatsmystory » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:52 am

“Hammer this fact home . . . leaking is tantamount to aiding the enemies of the United States,” says a June 1, 2012, Defense Department strategy for the program that was obtained by McClatchy.

Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S


So journalists who publish those leaks are also aiding enemies of the US. A government with this mentality would have no problem harming a journalist.
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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby Hunter » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:54 am

http://ktla.com/2013/06/21/exclusive-ha ... z2Wfnb6GuF


I cant seem to embed the email, but he sent an email to friends hours before he died about the feds investigating telling them to get legal counsel and ends with "I am on a big story and need to go off grid for a while hope to see you all soon."


WTF is going on here this just keeps getting crazy I really think his car was messed with folks.
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Re: Hastings Sent Colleagues Email Hours Before Crash

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:00 am

Exclusive: Hastings Sent Colleagues Email Hours Before Crash

LOS ANGELES (KTLA) — The crash that killed journalist Michael Hastings was ruled an accident by police, but conspiracy theories continued to circulate on Friday.

Hastings, 33, was killed in a fiery solo-vehicle crash in Hancock Park early Tuesday morning.

He was best known for a 2010 Rolling Stone article that led to the resignation of Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who was the former U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan.

Staff Sgt. Joseph Biggs told KTLA that he received an email from Hastings on Monday.

Biggs had known Hastings since 2008, when the journalist was embedded in his unit in Afghanistan.

“On Monday morning, I woke up and I got an email, and it’s very panicked,” Biggs said.

He was blind-copied on the email, which was sent to Hastings’ colleagues.

In part, it said that the feds were interviewing his close friends and associates, and that he was onto a big story and needed to get off the radar.

The FBI has denied that Hastings was ever under investigation.

“It alarmed me very much,” Biggs said. “I just said it doesn’t seem like him. I don’t know, I just had this gut feeling and it just really bothered me,” he said.


The email was sent just before 1 p.m. on Monday, 15 hours before the deadly crash.

Breaking news photographer Scott Lane happened to be less than a mile from the scene of the crash, and shot video of the fiery aftermath.

Video taken from his car’s dashcam also caught what appeared to be Hastings’ Mercedes minutes before the crash, speeding through a red light.

More than 30 seconds pass after Hastings’ car goes by, and no other cars pass through the intersection.

“There’s no cars that are following him,” Lane said. “He flies by and 10 seconds, 20 seconds, 30 seconds goes by… No cars are following him.”

Still, the conspiracy theories continued on the Internet, and Biggs said he just wants to know the truth about what happened to his friend.

“I’m going to be willing to help and do whatever I can and make sure that people look into this story and make sure they find out whatever happened.”


Investigators were looking into whether Hastings’ car had a mechanical problem, or if he may have had a medical condition that caused him to crash, police said.

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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:07 am

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WASHINGTON — After contradictory stories emerged about an F.B.I. agent’s killing last month of a Chechen man in Orlando, Fla., who was being questioned over ties to the Boston Marathon bombing suspects, the bureau reassured the public that it would clear up the murky episode.
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“The F.B.I. takes very seriously any shooting incidents involving our agents, and as such we have an effective, time-tested process for addressing them internally,” a bureau spokesman said.

But if such internal investigations are time-tested, their outcomes are also predictable: from 1993 to early 2011, F.B.I. agents fatally shot about 70 “subjects” and wounded about 80 others — and every one of those episodes was deemed justified, according to interviews and internal F.B.I. records obtained by The New York Times through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

The last two years have followed the same pattern: an F.B.I. spokesman said that since 2011, there had been no findings of improper intentional shootings.

In most of the shootings, the F.B.I.’s internal investigation was the only official inquiry. In the Orlando case, for example, there have been conflicting accounts about basic facts like whether the Chechen man, Ibragim Todashev, attacked an agent with a knife, was unarmed or was brandishing a metal pole. But Orlando homicide detectives are not independently investigating what happened.

“We had nothing to do with it,” said Sgt. Jim Young, an Orlando police spokesman. “It’s a federal matter, and we’re deferring everything to the F.B.I.”

Occasionally, the F.B.I. does discipline an agent. Out of 289 deliberate shootings covered by the documents, many of which left no one wounded, five were deemed to be “bad shoots,” in agents’ parlance — encounters that did not comply with the bureau’s policy, which allows deadly force if agents fear that their lives or those of fellow agents are in danger. A typical punishment involved adding letters of censure to agents’ files. But in none of the five cases did a bullet hit anyone.

Critics say the fact that for at least two decades no agent has been disciplined for any instance of deliberately shooting someone raises questions about the credibility of the bureau’s internal investigations. Samuel Walker, a professor of criminal justice at the University of Nebraska Omaha who studies internal law enforcement investigations, called the bureau’s conclusions about cases of improper shootings “suspiciously low.”

Current and former F.B.I. officials defended the bureau’s handling of shootings, arguing that the scant findings of improper behavior were attributable to several factors. Agents tend to be older, more experienced and better trained than city police officers. And they generally are involved only in planned operations and tend to go in with “overwhelming presence,” minimizing the chaos that can lead to shooting the wrong people, said Tim Murphy, a former deputy director of the F.B.I. who conducted some investigations of shootings over his 23-year career.

The F.B.I.’s shootings range from episodes so obscure that they attract no news media attention to high-profile cases like the 2009 killing of an imam in a Detroit-area warehouse that is the subject of a lawsuit alleging a cover-up, and a 2002 shooting in Maryland in which the bureau paid $1.3 million to a victim and yet, the records show, deemed the shooting to have been justified.

With rare exceptions — like suicides — whenever an agent fires his weapon outside of training, a team of agents from the F.B.I.’s Inspection Division, sometimes with a liaison from the local police, compiles a report reconstructing what happened. This “shooting incident review team” interviews witnesses and studies medical, ballistics and autopsy reports, eventually producing a narrative. Such reports typically do not include whether an agent had been involved in any previous shootings, because they focus only on the episode in question, officials said.

That narrative, along with binders of supporting information, is then submitted to a “shooting incident review group” — a panel of high-level F.B.I. officials in Washington. The panel produces its own narrative as part of a report saying whether the shooting complied with bureau policy — and recommends what discipline to mete out if it did not — along with any broader observations about “lessons learned” to change training or procedures.

F.B.I. officials stressed that their shooting reviews were carried out under the oversight of both the Justice Department’s inspector general and the Civil Rights Division, and that local prosecutors have the authority to bring charges.

The 2,200 pages of records obtained by The Times include an internal F.B.I. study that compiled shooting episode statistics over a 17-year period, as well as a collection of individual narratives of intentional shootings from 1993 to early 2011. Gunfire was exchanged in 58 such episodes; 9 law enforcement officials died, and 38 were wounded.

The five “bad shoots” included cases in which an agent fired a warning shot after feeling threatened by a group of men, an agent fired at a weapon lying on the ground to disable it during an arrest, and two agents fired their weapons while chasing fugitives but hit no one. In another case, an agent fired at a safe during a demonstration, and ricocheting material caused minor cuts in a crowd of onlookers.

Four of the cases were in the mid-1990s, and the fifth was in 2003.

In many cases, the accuracy of the F.B.I. narrative is difficult to evaluate because no independent alternative report has been produced. As part of the reporting for this article, the F.B.I. voluntarily made available a list of shootings since 2007 that gave rise to lawsuits, but it was rare for any such case to have led to a full report by an independent authority.

Occasionally, however, there were alternative reviews. One, involving a March 2002 episode in which an agent shot an innocent Maryland man in the head after mistaking him for a bank robbery suspect, offers a case study in how the nuances of an F.B.I. official narrative can come under scrutiny.

In that episode, agents thought that the suspect would be riding in a car driven by his sister and wearing a white baseball cap. An innocent man, Joseph Schultz, then 20, happened to cross their path, wearing a white cap and being driven by his girlfriend. Moments after F.B.I. agents carrying rifles pulled their car over and surrounded it, Agent Christopher Braga shot Mr. Schultz in the jaw. He later underwent facial reconstruction surgery, and in 2007 the bureau paid $1.3 million to settle a lawsuit.

The internal review, however, deemed it a good shoot. In the F.B.I.’s narrative, Agent Braga says that he shouted “show me your hands,” but that Mr. Schultz instead reached toward his waist, so Agent Braga fired “to eliminate the threat.” While one member of the review group said that “after reading the materials provided, he could not visualize the presence of ‘imminent danger’ to law enforcement officers,” the rest of the group voted to find the shooting justified, citing the “totality of the circumstances surrounding the incident,” including that it involved a “high-risk stop.”

But an Anne Arundel County police detective prepared an independent report about the episode, and a lawyer for Mr. Schultz, Arnold Weiner, conducted a further investigation for the lawsuit. Both raised several subtle but important differences.

For example, the F.B.I. narrative describes a lengthy chase of Mr. Schultz’s car after agents turned on their siren at an intersection, bolstering an impression that it was reasonable for Agent Braga to fear that Mr. Schultz was a dangerous fugitive. The narrative spends a full page describing this moment in great detail, saying that the car “rapidly accelerated” and that one agent shouted for it to stop “over and over again.” It cites another agent as estimating that the car stopped “approximately 100 yards” from the intersection.

By contrast, the police report describes this moment in a short, skeptical paragraph. Noting that agents said they had thought the car was fleeing, it points out that the car “was, however, in a merge lane and would need to accelerate to enter traffic.” Moreover, a crash reconstruction specialist hired for the lawsuit estimated that the car had reached a maximum speed of 12 miles per hour, and an F.B.I. sketch, obtained in the lawsuit, put broken glass from a car window 142 feet 8 inches from the intersection.

The F.B.I. narrative does not cite Mr. Schultz’s statement and omits that a crucial fact was disputed: how Mr. Schultz had moved in the car. In a 2003 sworn statement, Agent Braga said that Mr. Schultz “turned to his left, towards the middle of the car, and reached down.” But Mr. Schultz insisted that he had instead reached toward the car door on his right because he had been listening to another agent who was simultaneously shouting “open the door.”

A former F.B.I. agent, hired to write a report analyzing the episode for the plaintiffs, concluded that “no reasonable F.B.I. agent in Braga’s position would reasonably have believed that deadly force was justified.” He also noted pointedly that Agent Braga had been involved in a previous shooting episode in 2000 that he portrayed as questionable, although it had been found to be justified by the F.B.I.’s internal review process.

Asked to comment on the case, a lawyer for Agent Braga, Andrew White, noted last week that a grand jury had declined to indict his client in the shooting.

In some cases, alternative official accounts for several other shootings dovetailed with internal F.B.I. narratives.

One involved the October 2009 death of Luqman Ameen Abdullah, a prayer leader at a Detroit-area mosque who was suspected of conspiring to sell stolen goods and was shot during a raid on a warehouse. The F.B.I. report says that Mr. Abdullah got down on the ground but kept his hands hidden, so a dog was unleashed to pull his arms into view. He then pulled out a gun and shot the dog, the report says, and he was in turn shot by four agents.

The Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations filed a lawsuit against the F.B.I. The group was concerned in part because the handgun had no recoverable fingerprints and because of facial injuries to Mr. Abdullah. It also contends that the dog may have been shot instead by the F.B.I. agents and the gun thrown down in a cover-up.

A report by the Michigan attorney general’s office, however, detailed an array of evidence that it says “corroborates the statements of the agents as to the sequence of events,” including that bullet fragments in the dog’s corpse were consistent with the handgun, not the rifles used by the F.B.I. agents. Such an independent account of an F.B.I. shooting is rare. After the recent killing of Mr. Todashev in Orlando, both the Florida chapter of the same group and his father have called for investigators outside the F.B.I. to scrutinize the episode.

James J. Wedick, who spent 34 years at the bureau, said the F.B.I. should change its procedures for its own good.

“At the least, it is a perception issue, and over the years the bureau has had a deaf ear to it,” he said. “But if you have a shooting that has a few more complicated factors and an ethnic issue, the bureau’s image goes down the toilet if it doesn’t investigate itself properly.”
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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby nashvillebrook » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:41 am

There's just no way this could sound more ominous given what transpired 15 hours later. I hope someone has his notes. Surely someone has his notes.

Does anyone have any thoughts about his mention of "our news-gathering practices." could it be that he received a leak that was being investigated? wtf.

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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby Asta » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:07 pm

Not entirely off topic but I just listened to a story on CNN regarding thieves hacking into cars with some sort of device that disables the alarm system and unlocks the doors. This is going on in NYC and Chicago. One theft was captured on a car's dash camera so that case may be solved at some point.

So the technology is out there to remotely break into people's cars quietly and without notice. Can't be too hard, then, to remotely takeover the cruise control on an auto.
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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby slimmouse » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:43 pm

Its important that we all understand what is happening as a result of such revelations, which even as I type are being first mentally processed and then emotionally calculated within the minds of so many thousands of people who are interested in "knowing", courtesy of places like this, along with who knows how many thousands of like minded blogs, message boards, radio shows, et cetera.

In short, more and more people will be as disappointed and justifiably angry with the way things are really going down as we are here at RI,

Most of these people will hopefully be shapeshifting their emotions of anger, fear and dissapointment into a steely emotional determination to stop all of this.

Dismantling any system that quite clearly abhorrs the humanitarian qualities that are there for all to see in Michael Hastings should be a pressing issue for us all.
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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:51 pm

Critics say the fact that for at least two decades no agent has been disciplined for any instance of deliberately shooting someone raises questions about the credibility of the bureau’s internal investigations.


Humorous understatement?

"We are the Federales! We don't need no stinking reason to shoot you!"
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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby Lord Balto » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:35 pm

Nordic » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:09 am wrote:Oh, also this reminds me a great deal of the case of Katherine Smith in Memphis back in 2002.

Can't find the link I used to have, but this one will suffice:

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/02/17/World ... s_fe.shtml

Very similar MO. Fiery car crash at night, no witnesses to speak of, body burned beyond recognition. In the Memphis case it turned out the woman had alreafy died and had been planted behind the wheel. I wouldn't be the least surprised if that was the case here. Too bad the LAPD can't exactly be counted on to do their damn job. How were they with that RFK murder again?


Don't forget Mark Fuhrman. An outstanding bunch of public servants, those. ;-)
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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby Lord Balto » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:49 pm

Elvis » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:49 am wrote:In that video above, is that the engine of the car on the curb across the street?

Across the street, down the block?

I guess a gas tank explosion could do that -- right? :(


No no no! It was one of them magic engines. They make them out of the same metal as magic bullets. You hit a tree sideways and the magical substitute laws of physics propel it 100 feet down the road. After the car has magically "jack-knifed," as the only (soon to be dead) witness descibed it. Go back to sleep America.
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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby Lord Balto » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:09 pm

Bruce Dazzling » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:08 am wrote:
Bruce Dazzling » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:01 am wrote:Here's an interesting stat from the website of a Miami lawyer:

Fires occurred in 0.1 percent of the vehicles involved in all car accidents in 2003. For fatal car accidents, however, fires occurred in nearly 3 percent of the vehicles involved.


I wonder what the 2013 stats are for drivers who have recently ended the careers of very powerful generals.


I wonder what the stats are for unburned engines being propelled a hundred feet down the road. I bet they are similar to the stats for steel framed skyscrapers collapsing vertically due of fire.
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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:35 pm

FWiW, @1:43 of the vid:
Q: “You saw the sparks prior to him hitting anything? You just saw it at the bottom of the car?”
A: “Yes, plenty from the beginning, way before he crossed the light.”

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Re: Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

Postby justdrew » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:05 pm

FYI engine/transmission ejection in some types of accidents IS an intentionally designed in safety feature of newer cars. So the engine block was not 'blown' away, the design allowed its' own kinetic energy to keep on going, yanking it out and through the vehicle. That's why I said back on page 2 or so, that the distance it traveled would give an indication of impact velocity.

It should also be noted that in May, a report came out on new luxury cars having trouble safely impacting front 'clipping' when just the hit comes in the outer 25-30% of the front. There's a link back on page 2 or so. the C250 was a particularly poor performer in this type of impact.

Also, it's entirely possible the 'FBI' questioning friends and associates were not in fact actually FBI men.

When FBI are encountered, ideally one should ask what office they work out of. Get a phonebook and call the listed FBI number and verify that such persons exist and so on.
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