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Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:12 am wrote:Besides, wtf has the 'shaming evil' crowd done for anyone lately? Who are they, and where are they? What are they even saying, lately?
Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:22 am wrote:Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:12 am wrote:Besides, wtf has the 'shaming evil' crowd done for anyone lately? Who are they, and where are they? What are they even saying, lately?
http://shameproject.com/ <== that's been a big win. Those people they've named have been doing damage control ever since.
I would also venture the notion that the entire OCCUPY operation came from squarely within that same camp. Name names, right? Counterpunch still breaks stories. Nobody at Wikileaks or AntiSec was spending much time thinking about how to disengage from Maya. Russell Tice just struck a mighty blow against the past 2 decades of prefab "history."
When I think about a synthesis of the two -- intuition and rigor -- it's hard to beat Vadana Shiva, still going strong.
Is it really so hard to think of a single example for you?
Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:26 am wrote:Seems that your clipped world view might be just as damaging to the planet as that of the current power structure.
Wombaticus Rex wrote:there is just no precedent for mass consciousness change.
Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:26 am wrote:
Seems that your clipped world view might be just as damaging to the planet as that of the current power structure.
barracuda wrote:Wombaticus Rex wrote:there is just no precedent for mass consciousness change.
I suspect there is, but it's at least partially cloaked by the marketing which drove it into being.
Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:41 am wrote:Canadian_watcher » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:26 am wrote:
Seems that your clipped world view might be just as damaging to the planet as that of the current power structure.
An astute point, and one I came to agree with years ago. You're far better off under Cheney than me.
Wombaticus Rex » 23 Jun 2013 16:59 wrote:Barracuda, your point re: marketing is a stunner and I will probably be stuck chewing on that for the rest of the day. Be warned: it might even result in me changing my mind re: Tolle.
CW, I was being completely serious and blunt. The consequences of me being given the unilateral power that Cheney possessed at his peak would result in a far worse outcome for the human species. I'm not being self-depreciating or clever.
worldsastage » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:13 pm wrote:I do believe it takes all kinds to make our reality what it is. I'm all for seeing how connected we each are and I do believe we are. At times such ideas have been very helpful in getting me out of a depressive funk and doing something that benefits others. However teachings like Tolle's also encourages a sort of passivity for those whose nature is such. I am action oriented but can accept that for others navel gazing is what works. At some point that navel grazing has to result in action otherwise it's just selfish mental masturbation in my view.
I couldn't get into Tolle. It brought back too much of my former cult, since they buy into some of this stuff while claiming to be action oriented. Their action amounted to naming and shaming evil by labeling and attacking everyone who disagrees with their POV. Thus evil was defined by the cult and only the cult. What this does is discourage activism, while encouraging insular group think and denigration of those who see things differently. The idea is that everyone has to believe the same thing, or have the same awareness etc., etc. in order for the world to advance. Not all spiritual groups are so....shall I say.... evil and controlling. It is a bitch trying to figure out which is which. Time is better spent doing something that helps the neighbor. In my view, ideas like Tolle's are the bait used to capture people who yearn for a spiritual ideal, who want a better world. Unfortunately often such people are broken down and molded into being something others believe will help usher in the new consciousness while millions continue to suffer.
I couldn't get into Tolle. It brought back too much of my former cult, since they buy into some of this stuff while claiming to be action oriented. Their action amounted to naming and shaming evil by labeling and attacking everyone who disagrees with their POV. Thus evil was defined by the cult and only the cult. What this does is discourage activism, while encouraging insular group think and denigration of those who see things differently. The idea is that everyone has to believe the same thing, or have the same awareness etc., etc. in order for the world to advance. Not all spiritual groups are so....shall I say.... evil and controlling. It is a bitch trying to figure out which is which. Time is better spent doing something that helps the neighbor. In my view, ideas like Tolle's are the bait used to capture people who yearn for a spiritual ideal, who want a better world. Unfortunately often such people are broken down and molded into being something others believe will help usher in the new consciousness while millions continue to suffer.
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