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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:11 pm

Glenn Greenwald pushes back hard on latest Edward Snowden “revelations”
By Greg Sargent, Published: June 24, 2013 at 4:16 pmE-mail the writer

Much is being made today of the news that Edward Snowden told the South China Morning Post that he’d taken the job at Booz Allen — the firm contracted by the NSA — for the explicit purpose of getting access to classified documents that prove widespread surveillance. Some are even using the news to raise questions about the motives behind Glenn Greenwald’s reliance on documents leaked by Snowden.
But in an interview this afternoon, Greenwald dismissed the significance of the new revelations, saying they fit in logically with the chronology that’s already publicly known about Snowden — and he challenged critics to show proof of any wrongdoing on his part.
“Anybody who wants to accuse me or anyone at the Guardian of aiding and abetting Snowden has the obligation to point to any specific evidence to support that accusation,” Greenwald told me. “Otherwise they’re just spouting reckless innuendo.”
Snowden told the South China Morning Post: ”My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of machines all over the world the NSA hacked. That is why I accepted that position about three months ago.”
Some on have already highlighted a Tweet Greenwald posted in early June in which he said he’d been working with Snowden since February, and it’s likely that those enraged by Greenwald’s and Snowden’s revelations will continue amplifying this angle.
But Greenwald told me that when Snowden had initially contacted him, Snowden hadn’t even shared his name or where he worked — he’d simply said he had explosive documents that Greenwald (whose reporting on leak investigations and civil liberties abuses was already widely known) would want to see. At that stage, Greenwald said, their conversations only concerned how to set up an encryption system that Snowden wanted in order to facilitate private communication of documents with him. The system was not set up until several months later, Greenwald said.

It was only in May — and not before — that Snowden told him who he was, who he worked for (at that point he identified himself as affiliated with the NSA) and what sort of documents he had to share, Greenwald says. It wasn’t until June — when Greenwald visited Snowden in Hong Kong — that Snowden told him he worked specifically for Booz Allen, Greenwald adds.
“We had early conversations about setting up encryption, so we worked early on to set that up,” Greenwald says. “We didn’t work on any documents. I didn’t even know Edward Snowden’s name or where he worked until after he was in Hong Kong with the documents. Anyone who is claiming that somehow I worked with him to get those documents or helped him is just lying.”
Asked if he saw any significance in Snowden’s latest comments, Greenwald argued that they fit in with the chronology of what is already known. Greenwald noted that Snowden had been working at the NSA since 2009 and that his public statements show he’d already concluded serious wrongdoing was going on, so he may well have gotten the job at Booz Allen in order to get documents he needed to make that case.
“I don’t see the significance of this at all,” Greenwald said. “He had said he had seen serious wrongdoing that he wanted to inform Americans about. He apparently wanted this last set of documents to present a complete picture.”
Indeed, if Snowden’s act of getting the job at Booz Allen in order to leak these documents constitutes a deliberate effort to undermine the United States, the premise of this idea is that the leaking of the documents itself constitutes that. This point, of course, is in dispute. In other words, it’s unclear what Snowden’s latest comments really tell us.
“This whole theory of aiding and abetting is nothing more than a diversionary tactic,” Greenwald said. “Every single journalist works cooperatively with sources in order to obtain evidence.”
Greenwald concludes of his and Snowden’s critics: “They are trying to shift attention away from what the U.S. government has done onto what the people who have reported it have done.”
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:41 pm

Confidants key to Assange campaign
Philip Dorling June 25, 2013
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Sarah Harrison.

Sarah Harrison isn't a person who seeks publicity. However, the WikiLeaks staff member may get more than her 15 minutes of fame after she accompanied US intelligence whistleblower Edward Snowden on an Aeroflot flight from Hong Kong to Moscow on Sunday.
Harrison, described modestly on WikiLeaks' website as a ''journalist and legal researcher'', has rarely spoken publicly, though she did preside at the international correspondents' Frontline Club in London when WikiLeaks released tens of thousands of Syrian government emails in July last year.
Julian Assange was unavailable at the time, having just sought diplomatic asylum at the Ecuadorian embassy for fear of possible extradition to the United States.
But those brief appearances belie Harrison's importance as one of Assange's closest and most trusted confidants over the past three years. It's no surprise that Harrison, who recently paid a private visit to Australia, was the person selected to meet Snowden in Hong Kong and escort him to Moscow where Ecuadorian diplomats were authorised to ensure his safe passage to Ecuador.
In London, Assange has good reason to be pleased. From his cramped combined office, conference room and bedroom in the embassy he has pulled off a spectacularly successful covert operation.
He has confounded the US government and especially those agencies he sees as his primary adversaries in WikiLeaks' battle for freedom of information and personal privacy - the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the US Department of Justice.
Admittedly, Hong Kong authorities weren't being very co-operative on the hastily drafted US extradition request. But Snowden's options were narrowing rapidly until WikiLeaks offered to assist an asylum application.
As Assange put it yesterday, ''Mr Snowden requested our expertise and assistance. WikiLeaks has been involved in very similar legal and diplomatic and geopolitical struggles to preserve the organisation and its ability to publish.''
WikiLeaks couldn't have pulled off this coup without its core of trusted staffers, encrypted communications, highly professional legal advisers including former Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon, and the forging of a critically important relationship with the government of Ecuador's President Rafael Correa.
Significantly, Ecuadorian Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino visited London a week ago, separately meeting both Assange and British Foreign Secretary William Hague.
While the media focus was on Patino's meeting with Hague and the failure of the two ministers to resolve Assange's circumstances, it now appears that Snowden may have been a key item in discussions.
Of course, the NSA whistleblower has some way to go before his circumstances are resolved, and the Ecuadorian government is yet to process his asylum application. There are also some very interesting questions for WikiLeaks.
WikiLeaks had no hand in Snowden's original decisions to leak highly sensitive details of US signals intelligence and surveillance programs to The Guardian and The Washington Post.
But these latest, dramatic developments may see WikiLeaks publish some or perhaps all of the hundreds of secret and top secret documents Snowden is alleged to have taken from the NSA.
So far, The Guardian and The Washington Post have only published a small number of admittedly highly significant documents. These documents have been released in part with significant redactions. Both newspapers have cited legal constraints and a desire not to unnecessarily harm US and British national security.
WikiLeaks wouldn't be quite so protective of American and British secrets. Snowden may have now secured access to a media outlet that is more in tune with his view about opening up debate on the global surveillance industry.
Moreover, to judge by what has been disclosed about operations of Britain's Government Communications Headquarters, it is reasonably likely that Snowden has also had access to documents relating to Australia's signals intelligence agency - the top secret Defence Signals Directorate.
Assange intends to run as a Senate candidate for his newly formed WikiLeaks Party. A major disclosure of the secret world of Australian intelligence and surveillance could be a political hand grenade in the forthcoming election.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:09 am

Even if this all turned out to be some sort of strange psyops(which I doubt) I'm absolutely loving all of this. Seeing those POS smug White house press secretaries, sell out Kerry, Dianne Fienstein, right wing fucktards like Lindsay Graham, etc all lose their shit is just fun to watch. I've long been hyper critical of Putin, but I love how he aint budging an inch on this. Right now Snowden knows he's the #1 story in the world, and if the US or proxies try and do anything it's going to make them look bad. It's also revealing seeing which "journalists", politicians, etc are calling him a traitor.

Honestly, I don't get how all these scandals(the IRS thing, the AP spying, the NSA spying, etc) isnt bringing the right and left wing together. I want to see a TIDAL wave of whistleblowers, journalists, hackers, etc ratchet shit up and let the cat out of the bag. If it's government "for and by the people", then let the people decide if the government is for the public good. After faking intel and lying to get a lot of people killed and zillions wasted, how can anyone still hold some sort of trust in washington? Yeah, they'll now all support gay rights, but they will then tip the other scale way south.

Man...what happened Kerry?
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:01 am

Edward Snowden never crossed border into Russia, says foreign minister
Sergei Lavrov's comments about fugitive US whistleblower deepen mystery surrounding his whereabouts

Miriam Elder in Moscow
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 25 June 2013 06.17 EDT

Edward Snowden's face is depicted by street artist Eclair Acuda Bandersnatch in San Francisco. Photograph: Steve Rhodes/Demotix/Corbis
Russia's foreign minister has said the surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden never crossed the border into Russia, deepening the mystery over his suspected flight from Hong Kong.

"I would like to say right away that we have no relation to either Mr Snowden or to his relationship with American justice or to his movements around the world," Sergei Lavrov said.

"He chose his route on his own, and we found out about it, as most here did, from mass media," he said during a joint press conference with Algeria's foreign minister. "He did not cross the Russian border."

According to WikiLeaks, which said it facilitated his travel, Snowden fled Hong Kong on Sunday morning to transit via Moscow to an undisclosed third country. He has applied to be granted political asylum by Ecuador, whose London embassy is currently sheltering the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

Russian news agencies, citing anonymous sources, reported that Snowden had arrived in Moscow on Sunday evening and met Ecuadorean diplomats at Sheremetyevo airport while awaiting a Monday afternoon flight to Havana, from where he would travel to Venezuela. Snowden did not show up for the flight.

Passengers arriving on the Hong Kong to Moscow flight that was suspected to be carrying Snowden said they saw police activity and at least one black car drive up to the plane before they were allowed to disembark.

That fuelled speculation that Snowden may have been whisked from the plane before going through passport control. Olafur Vignir Sigurvinsson, an Icelandic businessman with links to WikiLeaks, told Reuters last week that he had readied a private jet to aid Snowden's flight from Hong Kong should the Icelandic government grant him asylum.

The US has warned Russia and China against helping Snowden as it seeks his extradition to face charges of espionage for gathering and disclosing documents outlining US surveillance programmes.

The White House spokesman Jay Carney said on Monday that the US was working under the assumption that Snowden was in Russia.

Lavrov lashed out angrily at suggestions that Russia was involved. "We consider the attempts we are now seeing to blame the Russian side for breaking US laws and being almost in on the plot totally baseless and unacceptable, and even an attempt to threaten us," he said.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:25 pm

A whistleblower’s argument


Edward Snowden was not the first NSA official to sound the alarm. Thomas Drake, winner of the Sam Adams Award for Integrity in Intelligence, makes his case to Free Speech Debate.

Thomas Drake argues that as a National Security Agency (NSA) official he took an oath to the US constitution, not to a secrecy agreement (00:20). This secrecy was narrowly defined as classified information. In 2008 he resigned as his security clearance was suspended and his house was raided by FBI agents (02:00). Drake provided significant amounts of information on the secret surveillance programme known as Stella Wind in the aftermath of 9/11, and revealed corruption and abuse at NSA. He approached someone from the Baltimore Sun in 2006, exercising his freedom of speech, guaranteed under the First Amendment of the US constitution, because he felt the information on wire-tapping was in the public interest (03:45). The secret surveillance practice also went against a superior directive called ThinThread , which provides full protection of the Fourth Amendment rights, and included the prime directive of the NSE since the 1960s – you do not spy on Americans without a warrant. Drake provided this information, which was used in a New York Times article, the publication of which triggered an extraordinary response (05:05). The NSA launched a massive criminal investigation looking for the sources for the article in which he got caught up (05:35).

Drake argues that there are definitely secrets worth keeping, such a nuclear secrets, troop movements, inscription codes. However, when there are secrets held by the government you need extensive oversight. The US government is prohibited from keeping illegal activities secret under a secrets act. Insiders are best suited to provide the information needed to expose such activities (10:30). The protections for whistleblowers are, however, not good enough, says Drake. (12:30)

9/11 became the justification for a range of activities that were largely conducted in secret, keeping the citizenry and media uninformed. It is even in times of national crisis such as the world wars, have NSA never excused themselves from oversight the way they are doing after 9/11. (14:50)

Drake went to all his bosses, raising his concerns about breaking the law, and asking them to go to Congress if the law needed to be changed to adjust to a new situation, but was turned down with the justification that Congress would say ‘no’ to what they were doing. For Drake, decisive in his decision was that he took an oath to keep Americans out of harms way, not to keep illegality a secret. (17:00)

As the one of very few whistleblowers under the Obama administration to remain unsanctioned, he emphasises the importance of due procedure. He was nonetheless branded an enemy of the state and charged with 10 counts that would have meant 35 years in prison. Only on the eve of his trial in 2011 were the charges dropped. On the other hand, those who participated in illegal actions have immunity. (20:10)

Wilileaks undermines the elite power structures, and so it is in the US Department of Justice interest to bring charges against Assange if they can. Assange’s need to be in political exile shows that it is dangerous to speak truth to power (23:00). Drake himself would have used Wikileaks had it been available in 2006. While he believes that it provides an important service, it also has dangers, such as being found out, as Bradley Manning experienced. Drake believes that when he was indited in 2010 the US government tried to set a precedent for an Official Secrets Act, which the US does not have (25:00). This also means the government would take control of the information, classified or not. This he constitutes a violation of fundamental rights of the First Amendment, and preventing an informed citizenry.

Even the story revealed by the New York Times in December 2005 was actually only part of the story, and the paper itself had chosen to withhold that information from the public for 14 months. (27:30)

Encroachments on speech are very real (28:30). Peter van Bergen of the US State Department was threatened for including a link to Wikileaks in his blog. The irony is that the internet was developed by the government and it now constitutes a threat to them (29:30). Within the NSA, there are now far fewer ways to speak out even within the system.

Technology made surveillance much more efficient (31:00). Making such vast amount of information available to governments without oversight Drake finds very daunting, and tells of his own experience of surveillance when he was under investigation (37:20). Drake describes the role of whistleblowers as the canaries in the constitutional coal mine (40:00). In times of national crisis there is a tendency to sacrifice liberties for security, but as Benjamin Franklin said: if you sacrifice one for the other, you lose both.

Thomas Drake, the 2011 winner of the award, blew the whistle on the US government’s Trailblazer programme, arguing that its wastefulness and invasions of privacy obligated him to exercise his constitutional rights.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:10 pm

Man...what happened Kerry?


Apparently, he was never costarring with Jane Fonda at any anti-war rallies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Fon ... ontroversy

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:29 pm

Pele'sDaughter » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:10 pm wrote:
Man...what happened Kerry?


Apparently, he was never costarring with Jane Fonda at any anti-war rallies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Fon ... ontroversy

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp



Aw, had no idea it was a forgery. Well shoot, this is why in a million years I will never like or understand right wingers. Acting like being against the horrific vietnam war or "draft dodging" is a bad thing?
Haha. Like all the conspiracy idiots who say "Breitbart was killed". That guy was so establishment it's not even funny. Rarely do wingers ever support things that are actually positive
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Hunter » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:17 am

I sure as hell hope Snowden does NOT go to Ecuador. Central and South America would seem to be the worst possible place for him, see the recent problems of John Mcafee in Belize for a great reason why. Law enforcement in these areas are very corrupt and easy to pay off, same goes for drug cartels and other gangs, they can easily be tempted to kidnap him and hold him for CIA ransom. Also, the State Dept and the CIA both have a long history of covert kidnappings in Ecuador specifically and of kidnapping journalists in that country even more specifically. Because it is so close to the states it is an easy private small jet ride there and back, very easy to kidnap someone in a covert op.

He is safest, IMO, in Russia, more than anywhere else in the world. While Russia is also likely crawling with CIA spooks, I think the Russians would be able to offer him much better protection and living arrangements than any of the Central or South American countries would be able to. I seriously fear for his life if he ends up anywhere in Latin America or outside of Russia in general. I am hoping that the whole trip to Ecuador from Moscow was just a red herring and he is in fact staying put in Russia for the time being. Putin doesnt give a fuck what we or Obama think about him and his country so there would be zero chance of him being handed over if he is in Putin's care. I cant say the same for many other countries, if any, especially those just South of our Border, while the leadership in those countries may have good intentions, there is just too much corruption and too much chance someone pays off LEO or cartel to have him kidnapped for pay. Of course that could happen in Russia also but its a little further and harder to fly in and out of Russia than it is anywhere in Central or South America.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:11 am

UPDATE 1-Ecuador tells U.S. to send its position on Snowden in writing

Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:17am EDT
(Reuters) - Ecuador said on Wednesday the United States must "submit its position" regarding Edward Snowden to the Ecuadorean government in writing as it considers the former U.S. spy agency contractor's request for asylum.

Ecuador, in a statement from its embassy in Washington, said it would review the request "responsibly."

"The legal basis for each individual case must be rigorously established, in accordance with our national Constitution and the applicable national and international legal framework. This legal process takes human rights obligations into consideration as well," the statement said.

"This current situation is not being provoked by Ecuador," the embassy said.

Snowden, 30, a former employee of the U.S. contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, appears to be still in hiding at a Moscow airport awaiting a ruling on his asylum request from the tiny South American nation's leftist government.

He fled to the Russian capital from Hong Kong on Sunday, evading a U.S. request that he be extradited to face charges that he stole and leaked details of secret U.S. government surveillance programs.

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa has not flinched in the past from taking on western powers.

His government is already embroiled in a dispute with Britain and the United States over its sheltering of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange at its embassy in London.

In its statement on Wednesday, the embassy said it "strongly rejects" statements made by U.S. government officials that it said contained detrimental, untrue and unproductive claims about Ecuador. It did not elaborate on those statements.

Ecuador, the statement said, has signed human rights agreements and is committed to the rule of law and the fundamental principles of international law



Putin confirms Snowden in Moscow airport but denies extradition – as it happened
• Vladimir Putin says Snowden is in Moscow airport transit zone and has committed no crime in Russia
• Russian president says NSA whistleblower will not be extradited to US


Liberal icon Frank Church on the NSA
Almost 40 years ago, the Idaho Senator warned of the dangers of allowing the NSA to turn inward

Glenn Greenwald
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 25 June 2013 16.05 EDT

The National Security Agency (NSA) headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland. Photograph: Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images
(updated below [Wed.])

In the mid-1970s, the US Senate formed the Select Intelligence Committee to investigate reports of the widespread domestic surveillance abuses that had emerged in the wake of the Nixon scandals. The Committee was chaired by 4-term Idaho Democratic Sen. Frank Church who was, among other things, a former military intelligence officer and one of the Senate's earliest opponents of the Vietnam War, as well as a former Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Even among US Senators, virtually nothing was known at the time about the National Security Agency. The Beltway joke was that "NSA" stood for "no such agency". Upon completing his investigation, Church was so shocked to learn what he had discovered - the massive and awesome spying capabilities constructed by the US government with no transparency or accountability - that he issued the following warning, as reported by the New York Times, using language strikingly stark for such a mainstream US politician when speaking about his own government:

"'That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide.'

"He added that if a dictator ever took over, the NSA 'could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.'"

The conditional part of Church's warning - "that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people" - is precisely what is happening, one might even say: is what has already happened. That seems well worth considering.

Three other brief points:

(1) Numerous NSA defenders - mostly Democrats - amazingly continue to insist that there is no evidence of wrongdoing by the NSA. How do they get themselves to ignore things like this and this?

(2) The New Yorker's John Cassidy has one of the best essays yet on the NSA revelations, the imperatives of journalism, and Edward Snowden

(3) The vital context for all of this - the reporting we've done and the way we've done it, Snowden's actions, the need for greater transparency - is set forth perfectly in this must-read article by McClatchy about the Obama administration's unprecedented (and increasingly creepy) war on whistleblowers and leakers. Along those same lines, see this great column by the New York Times' David Carr, in which he writes: "that there is a war on the press is less hyperbole than simple math."


Edward Snowden: in defence of whistleblowers
Daniel Ellsberg, the leaker of the Pentagon Papers 40 years ago, was smeared and denounced at the time

The Guardian, Tuesday 25 June 2013 16.54 EDT

Link to video: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things'
No government or bureaucracy loves a whistleblower. Those who leak official information will often be denounced, prosecuted or smeared. The more serious the leak, the fiercer the pursuit and the greater the punishment. Edward Snowden knew as much before contacting this newspaper to reveal some of the things that troubled him about the work, scope and oversight of the US and British intelligence agencies. He is unlikely to be surprised at the clamour to have him locked up for life, or to have seen himself denounced as a traitor.

It was also quite predictable that Snowden would be charged with criminal offences, even if there is something shocking in the use of the 1917 Espionage Act – a measure intended to prevent anti-war speech in the first world war by treating it as sedition. On the available evidence Snowden's almost certain motive for speaking out was far removed from anything resembling espionage, sedition or anti-Americanism. His attempts to stay beyond the clutches of US law may involve travel to countries with a poor record on freedom of expression. But his choice of refuge does not, of itself, make him a traitor. As Buzzfeed's Ben Smith has written ("You don't have to like Edward Snowden"): "Snowden's personal story is interesting only because the new details he revealed are so much more interesting. We know substantially more about domestic surveillance than we did, thanks largely to stories and documents printed by The Guardian. They would have been just as revelatory without Snowden's name on them."

America is blessed with a first amendment, which prevents prior restraint and affords a considerable measure of protection to free speech. But the Obama administration has equally shown a dismaying aggression in not only criminalising leaking and whistleblowing, but also recently placing reporters under surveillance – tracking them and pulling their phone and email logs in order to monitor their sources for stories that were patently of public importance.

There is a link to the material Snowden has leaked, and to his stated motive for doing so. In a world of total monitoring – where intelligence agencies aspire to collect and store every single email, text message and phone call – serious investigative reporting becomes difficult, if not impossible. Normal interchanges between sources and journalists cannot take place in such a world. Officials who were once willing to talk are already chilled. In future they would be silenced. Thanks to Edward Snowden we are beginning to glimpse what another NSA whistleblower, Thomas Drake, has described as "a vast, systemic institutionalized, industrial-scale Leviathan surveillance state that has clearly gone far beyond the original mandate to deal with terrorism".

President Obama has welcomed the debate about the uses, limits and oversight of surveillance – and there is now a vigorous discussion emerging in America and Europe, if not so much in a too-complacent Britain. But a debate is only possible because of the facts which have been put into the public domain, not by government but by a whistleblower and a still freeish press. This much was acknowledged yesterday by the German justice minister, Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, who yesterday wrote to our own home secretary in forthright terms: "In today's world, the new media form the cornerstone of a free exchange of views and information."

Max Frankel, the 83-year-old former New York Times executive editor, wrote this week in his old newspaper: "As those of us who had to defend the 1971 publication of the secret Pentagon Papers about the Vietnam War have been arguing ever since, there can be no mature discussion of national security policies without the disclosure – authorized or not – of the government's hoard of secrets." He is right. Daniel Ellsberg, the leaker 40 years ago, was smeared and denounced at the time. His trial in 1973 collapsed in 1973. History will be kinder to him – and, quite possibly, to Snowden.

• This article was amended on 26 June 2013 to give a more accurate representation of its substance
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:58 am

Posturing in the U.S. v. Snowden

Posturing may be exactly what the our government is doing in its purported attempt to apprehend and prosecute Edward Snowden.

Filing espionage charges against the young man who's disclosed the unlimited nature of the government's access to our emails and phone records, and the extradition request that followed, sure look like an attempt to punish Mr. Snowden and deter future leaks. As is generally the case in Washington, though, appearance and reality may not be one and the same.

The great irony in this case -- beside the fact that the government responsible for all the warrantless surveillance has accused the whistleblower of spying -- is that Edward Snowden's interest in escaping prosecution is entirely congruent with the interests of the Obama administration in diverting attention from a national security program that makes Richard Nixon and George Bush look like civil libertarians. The last thing Barack Obama wants now is a protracted extradition fight and criminal trial, and the attendant media focus, intensified public disapprobation, and additional leaks and testimony about government excesses that they would entail. The administration understands that Snowden, now a hero to those who oppose the government's unfettered access to our everyday communications, would become either (A) a martyr if convicted and incarcerated or (B) the official victim of a government repression if he wasn't.

You ask what evidence I have, besides motive, that the administration is pulling punches in its attempt to apprehend and try the now 30 year-old leaker. I concede that, without the NSA's access to all communications, I have no emails or phone logs confirming that the administration prefers and purposely helped bring about Snowden's flight from U.S. jurisdiction. I can, however, present what would pass as credible circumstantial evidence in any court.

First, the State Department could have revoked Snowden's passport in order to impede his ability to travel immediately after charges were filed against him on June 14th. For some unexplained reason, as reported in The New York Times, it chose not to for over a week. A mere oversight in a case commanding the DOJ's fullest attention?

Second, the government unsealed the espionage charges on Friday, June 21st, a full three days before it finally rescinded the passport, thereby alerting Snowden that he was officially a fugitive. As Albert Ho, one of Snowden's advisors in Hong Kong, revealed to The Times, the DOJ's disclosure of the charges "prompted his client to become considerably more anxious about staying in Hong Kong." Standard practice, however, is to keep charges under wraps until a defendant is in custody to avoid exactly the sort of reaction of that prompted Snowden to flee to Moscow as he searches for a safe haven. Had Snowden not become jittery about remaining in Hong Kong, then, as Ho has revealed, his client would've consulted the US consul general there, a friend of Ho's, about his options. Another oversight?

The Justice Department may have correctly filled in all the blanks on the extradition form -- a matter contested by Hong Kong officials -- but that alone, or in combination with the administration's official protestations, stands for little in the netherworld of geopolitics. Helping facilitate the defendant's self-exile, and all the noise about Russia and Hong Kong's failure to observe the rule of law, may have been the administration's only route between the Scylla of intensified embarrassment and worsening foreign relations and the Charybdis of condoning leaks. As Zha Daojiong, a professor of international relations at Peking University in Beijing put it, Snowden's "departure [from Chinese soil] removes a potential long-term problem in the wider relationship, whatever short-term anger is expressed from the U.S."

While Snowden's apparent escape from U.S. jurisdiction doesn't represent a happy ending for either of the parties in the case of the United States v. Snowden, the government seems to have achieved, sub rosa, the goal of any settlement: it cut its losses. The problem is, as with its secret, unfettered access to our communications in the first place, it seems to have done so through smoke and mirrors under the guise of protecting us.

Jay Sterling Silver is a law professor at St. Thomas University School of Law in Miami Gardens, Florida. His commentary has appeared in The New York Times and other national and local media.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:06 pm

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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Hunter » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:11 pm

RON PAUL made an interesting point the other day when he said, espionage means giving information to the enemy so if they are charging him with that and all he really did was give information to the American People, is Obama and the DoJ admitting that the American People are their enemy?

Its worth thinking about...
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:30 pm

JUNE 26, 2013

“The Damage to Our Intelligence is Gut-Wrenching to See”
Why the Ruling Class is So Upset About Edward Snowden
by GARY LEUPP
I don’t have a weak stomach, but I confess that watching TV news does get me nauseated. So I do so sparingly. I have of course been following the coverage of the Edward Snowden story, just to see how opinion is being shaped.

In the days immediately after June 5, when Snowden revealed that the U.S. government daily collects mega-data of all phone call records in the U.S. and beyond, the cable news networks seemed puzzled about how to deal with the story.

They couldn’t very well denounce Snowden out of hand, lest they be accused of being shameless lackeys of the state (even though that’s in fact what they are). They all like to posture as “fair and balanced,” so they did initially pose the question: is Snowden a hero, or a villain?

Early opinion polls showed considerable support for Snowden’s action; a Time poll released June 13 showed 54% of those surveyed in the U.S. thought he’d done the right thing. Some unlikely people (Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck) called Snowden a “hero.” But that may be changing, as the networks now compete with one another to generate outrage—not at the spying, mind you, but at Snowden for violating the law. O’Reilly’s current position is that while a hero, Snowden should be placed on trial and judged by a jury. Which is to say, he should be apprehended abroad, brought back in handcuffs and treated to the same benefits of the U.S. judicial system enjoyed by a Bradley Manning or a Guantanamo detainee.

He broke the law! He told us: “Any analyst at any time can target anyone.”

“He took an oath,” thunders Dianne Feinstein, chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee (and thus someone complicit in the spying programs). What she means by this is that he broke his pledge, made when he became an employee of the CIA contractor Booz Allen Hamilton—which helps handle the massive effort to monitor all of us daily—to conceal any secrets he obtained as an employee. She is of course not referring to the oath he made at the same time, to uphold the Constitution of the United States, which says very clearly that “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated…”

Snowden has not merely revealed that the U.S. government has forced service providers Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple to share all their records with itself, in the form of mega-data that can only be accessed for content following the issuance of warrants from (secret) courts, in order to thwart real or imagined terrorist plots.

He hasn’t merely shown that the NSA intercepts 1.7 billion electronic records every day (in order, of course, to thwart the terrorists). He has charged the following:

“Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector, anywhere… I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President…”

He is referring to tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of employees of the state security apparatus. (The numbers are of course secret.)

That was and is the main story. Obama may say, “No one is listening to your phone calls,” and acknowledge, now that Snowden has come forward, that the government “merely” has available for perusal (following clandestine court procedures that secretly authorize such inspection) all of your telecommunications addresses and locations, all of your email and online contacts, lists of all the sites you visit online such that an analyst may sit at his desk with this comprehensive picture of your life but no access to the content of your communications. That’s bad enough.

But Snowden indicates that those with that power can indeed gain access to what Bill Clinton recently called the “meat” of your communications. That is, every word you’ve spoken on the phone recently, or maybe for several years; or test-messaged or instant-messaged online; can be accessed by government “analysts” at their whim.

Now why should this bother anybody? A virtual industry of bloggers has mushroomed overnight, people boasting, in the wake of Snowden’s revelations, that they have nothing to hide. Why should anybody not doing wrong be concerned?

Well, recall how, in 2008, ABC News revealed that National Security Agency staffers enjoyed monitoring satellite phone sex involving U.S. officers in Iraq. It’s worth quoting at length.

“‘These were just really everyday, average, ordinary Americans who happened to be in the Middle East, in our area of intercept and happened to be making these phone calls on satellite phones,’ said Adrienne Kinne, a 31-year old US Army Reserves Arab linguist assigned to a special military program at the NSA’s Back Hall at Fort Gordon from November 2001 to 2003.

Kinne described the contents of the calls as ‘personal, private things with Americans who are not in any way, shape or form associated with anything to do with terrorism.’ [...]

Another intercept operator, former Navy Arab linguist, David Murfee Faulk, 39, said he and his fellow intercept operators listened into hundreds of Americans picked up using phones in Baghdad’s Green Zone from late 2003 to November 2007.

‘Calling home to the United States, talking to their spouses, sometimes their girlfriends, sometimes one phone call following another,’ said Faulk. [...]

‘Hey, check this out,’ Faulk says he would be told, ‘there’s good phone sex or there’s some pillow talk, pull up this call, it’s really funny, go check it out. It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say, ‘Wow, this was crazy,’ Faulk told ABC News.”

If that’s the way NSA analysts could deal with U.S. military officers in Iraq—fellow cogs in the system, fighting on behalf of U.S. imperialism—how much respect do you suppose they have for you and your privacy? For your security from their searches, their violations?

But the main issue is not your protection from phone-sex interlopers, but protection from those who want to do you harm. The FBI’s “Counterintelligence Program” (COINTELPRO), active from 1956 to 1971, collected information through wiretaps and other means with the specific objective of destroying civil rights and left-wing organizations. One of its stated missions was to use surveillance on activists to release negative personal information to the public to discredit them. In many instances the agents succeeded, and they ruined lives. And their abilities to do so pale in comparison with the abilities of Obama’s NSA.

Tens of Thousands of Spooks, with Access to Your Data

Snowden says that his personal history should not be the issue in the media, but rather his revelations. Certainly this is true. But his history is a part of this story. It shows that the monitoring of personal communications is so vast, requiring so much labor power, that those overseeing it enlist even high school dropouts without formal academic credentials to do what they do.

(I do not mention this out of any disrespect for Snowden. On the contrary, I think he’s obviously highly intelligent and plainly very competent at his former job. One can question the wisdom, judgment and political consciousness of Snowden at age 21, when he joined the Army as a Special Forces recruit thinking he’d fight in Iraq, as he put it, “to help free people from oppression,” or his subsequent involvement with the CIA. But I think he’s extremely bright, and more than that, at this point in his life, a real moral exemplar.)

What I mean is that the demand for “analysts” in this data-collecting apparatus is so vast that those running it are surely signing on some people who have excellent computer skills but little understanding of anything else, are control-freaks, bigots, voyeurs (like those referenced above)… And they have ready access to your information.

Just as one example of ignorance within this stratum: after 9/11 a friend of mine was visited by FBI agents inquiring about a recent computer game purchase. She and her husband answered all the questions posed, but she was astounded by the agents’ lack of sophistication. They asked where the couple was from; India, they replied. “Is that a Muslim country?” they were asked. My friend was both intimidated and amused by the visit. She’d assumed U.S. intelligence personnel would have some basic grasp of geography and history.

Imagine such people accessing your personal information with impunity, thinking, well, here’s a reason to investigate—and doing it even if only just to pass (well-paid) time at their desks?

Remember the “Information Awareness Office” under Admiral John Poindexter, set up by a mysterious agency in the Defense Department in January 2002, and its creepy “Total Information Awareness” program? The one with the weird icon of an eye atop a pyramid, staring down at the planet, illuminating the Greater Middle East? That was specifically advertized as a body to gather personal information on everybody in the country—phone records, emails, medical records, credit card records, etc.—so that all this could be made immediately available to law officials when required and without warrants. It generated unease, even during that period in which the Bush-Cheney administration was systematically using fear to justify all kinds of repressive measures. It was defunded by Congress the following year. But the mentality remained, and Congress notwithstanding, the machinery of “total” surveillance obviously grew, along with the culture of secrecy.

In 2004 there were reports, citing Russian intelligence, that the former East German spy chief Markus Wolf had been hired as a consultant by U.S. Homeland Security. I have not found confirmation of them (and Wolf is now dead.) But I thought at the time it was entirely plausible that the Bush administration would be willing to learn a thing or two about domestic spying from the experts of the former Stasi. What ruling elite has ever gained more total information awareness about its citizens than the old German Democratic Republic? And done it with such elegant legal scaffolding?

Legal, Like East Germany

As historians such as Katherine Pence and Paul Betts have shown, the GDR authorities operated within scrupulously observed legal constraints. One sees this in the film Das Leben der Anderen (The Lives of Others) produced in the reunited Germany in 2006. It depicts the surveillance culture of the former East Germany, leaving the viewer nauseated. As it happens, the protagonist, a popular writer and regime loyalist named Georg Dreyman, is subjected to meticulous surveillance. His home is thoroughly bugged; an agent reports on his conversations, visitors, love-making, etc. He is never charged with anything nor punished. At one point his apartment is raided on a suspicion that he’s authored an article critical of the GDR published in the west. He cooperates politely; nothing is found; the authorities leave money for the repair of furniture they’d torn up. Everything according to law.

I thought of that film while reading the lead Boston Globe editorial on June 13. It concludes that the “policies that [Snowden revealed], however objectionable, are properly authorized” while Snowden himself “broke the law.” Thus, you see, he’s not a whistle-blower but a criminal. The editors call for him to be placed on trial, as do virtually all mainstream journalists. I should not be shocked, but it is quite amazing to see Keith Olbermann’s successor, MSNBC’s “progressive” Ed Schultz join the crowd, labeling Snowden a “punk” and lawbreaker. (Chris Hayes however remains, somewhat timidly, pro-Snowden.)

The message to the masses is: How dare Mr. Snowden tell the people that they are virtually naked in the eyes of the state, that the U.S. of A. has become one huge airport body-scanner! Because in so doing he betrays state secrets, and helps the terrorists who will now take more precautions to escape surveillance.

And how dare he tell the Chinese that Tsinghua University and the Hong Kong headquarters of Pacnet have been hacked by the NSA, even as the U.S. has accused the Chinese of hacking (in all likelihood, in response to U.S. actions, and less effective, and on a smaller scale)! How dare he consort with the “enemy”!

U.S. to World: “You Must View Snowden as a Criminal, and Give Him Back”

Suddenly, the Cold War has reappeared. Snowden is charged with espionage, some of his critics alleging that he’s in the service of the PRC and/or Russia or other “enemies.” It in fact appears that Beijing and Moscow both were taken by surprise by this episode, and that both have attempted to handle Snowden’s unexpected presence carefully to avoid annoying the U.S.

But how should they respond to Washington’s logic, thoroughly embraced by the TV talking heads? “Look,” says the U.S. State Department, expecting the world to cower and obey. “This man has been charged with felonies. We’ve gone through the legal process, through treaties we have with other countries, to have him appropriately returned to face justice. We’ve revoked his passport, so he can’t legally travel, except to be returned to the U.S. So damn it, do the right thing. Turn him over!”

That’s supposed to be convincing? The media’s complaining of Russian “defiance.” Senator Chuck Schumer appeared on some show suggesting that Putin never misses an opportunity to “poke America in the eye” (referring no doubt to Russian refusal to cooperate in “regime change” in Syria, and refusal to toe the U.S.-Israeli line on Iran). But imagine if a Russian in the U.S. revealed to a U.S. paper that Putin had a massive surveillance program, and Putin demanded his immediate extradition for breaking Russian law? How would the U.S. public react?

Kerry’s talking tough. He’s demanding that Putin not allow Snowden to fly out the country (presumably to Ecuador via Cuba). His tough talk might explain the reported fact that Snowden missed his planned Monday flight out of Moscow. (Might he have threatened to force the Aeroflot plane to land in the U.S.?)

It all, in my humble opinion, boils down to this. The entirety of the ruling elite and the journalistic establishment are keen on defending the programs Snowden has exposed; keen on punishing him for his whistle-blowing; determined to vilify him as a punk, narcissist, egoist, attention-hungry ne’er-do-well (anything but a thoughtful man who made a moral choice that has enlightened people about the character of the U.S. government); feverishly working on damage control while anticipating more damning revelations; and determined to get those four laptops with their incriminating content back into the bosom of the national security state.

What sort of state is it, that says to its own people, we can invade a country based on lies, kill a million people, hold nobody accountable but hey, when one of us does something so abominable as to reveal that the state spies constantly on the people of the world, we have to have a “manhunt” for him and punish him for treason?

The Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, has the audacity to tell NBC News, “It is literally gut-wrenching to see” Snowden’s revelations… because of the “damage” they do to “our intelligence capabilities”! As though there were really an “our” or “us” at this point. As though we were a nation united, including the mindful watchers and the grateful watched.

No, there are us, and there are them. The tiny power elite that controls the mainstream press and cable channels, the corporations that dutifully hand over mega-data to the state (and then deny doing so to allay consumer outrage), the twin political parties, are sick to their stomachs that they’ve been so exposed.

We in our turn should feel, if not terrorized, nauseated.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby beeline » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:50 pm

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/usatoday/article/2455703


In his letter to Ecuador seeking political asylum, NSA leaker Edward Snowden said it is unlikely that he would face a fair trial or proper treatment by the U.S government and could face a life sentence or even death for conviction of violating the Espionage Act.

Ecuadoran Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino read excerpts of Snowden's letter at a news conference Monday in Vietnam.

Patino also suggested that Snowden is being "persecuted" for revealing details of the National Security Agency's global electronic surveillance network.

"The word treason has been batted around in recent days," Patino said. "We need to ask who has betrayed whom?"

Here are excerpts from the letter based on a simultaneous translation from Spanish to English broadcast by the BBC

I, Edward Snowden, citizen of the United States of America, am writing to request asylum in the Republic of Ecuador because of the risk of being persecuted by the government of the United States and its agents in relation to my decision to make public serious violations on the part of the government of the United States of its Constitution, specifically of its Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and of various treaties of the United Nations that are binding on my country. As a result of my political opinions, and my desire to exercise my freedom of speech, through which I've shown that the government of the United States is intercepting the majority of communications in the world, the government of the United States has publicly announced a criminal investigation against me.

Also, prominent members of Congress and others in the media have accused me of being a traitor and have called for me to be jailed or executed as a result of having communicated this information to the public.Some of the charges that have been presented against me by the Justice Department of the United States are connected to the 1917 Espionage Act, one of which includes life in prison among the possible sentences.

Ecuador granted asylum to the founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, in relation to this investigation. My case is also very similar to that of the American soldier Bradley Manning, who made public government information through WikiLeaks revealing war crimes, was arrested by the United States government and has been treated inhumanely during his time in prison. He was put in solitary confinement before his trial and the U.N. anti-torture representative judged that Mr. Manning was submitted to cruel and inhumane acts by the United States government.

The trial against Bradley Manning is ongoing now, and secret documents have been presented to the court and secret witnesses have testified. I believe that, given these circumstances, it is unlikely that I would receive a fair trial or proper treatment prior to that trial, and face the possibility of life in prison or even death.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby psynapz » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:49 pm

Edward Snowden's interest in escaping prosecution is entirely congruent with the interests of the Obama administration in diverting attention from a national security program that makes Richard Nixon and George Bush look like civil libertarians. The last thing Barack Obama wants now is a protracted extradition fight and criminal trial, and the attendant media focus, intensified public disapprobation, and additional leaks and testimony about government excesses that they would entail. The administration understands that Snowden, now a hero to those who oppose the government's unfettered access to our everyday communications, would become either (A) a martyr if convicted and incarcerated or (B) the official victim of a government repression if he wasn't.

I know it's kind of cliche around here to conjecture on potential false-flag / dog-wagging media events in response to it being a particularly bad-PR-fortnight for the US govt, but even as those sorts of fortnights go, I must say the current media landscape certainly looks Grade-A Prime for an extremely distracting occurrence of some kind.

For some unexplained reason, as reported in The New York Times, it chose not to for over a week. A mere oversight in a case commanding the DOJ's fullest attention?
[...]
The government unsealed the espionage charges on Friday, June 21st, a full three days before it finally rescinded the passport, thereby alerting Snowden that he was officially a fugitive. [...] Standard practice, however, is to keep charges under wraps until a defendant is in custody to avoid exactly the sort of reaction of that prompted Snowden to flee to Moscow as he searches for a safe haven. [...] Another oversight?
[...]
Helping facilitate the defendant's self-exile, and all the noise about Russia and Hong Kong's failure to observe the rule of law, may have been the administration's only route between the Scylla of intensified embarrassment and worsening foreign relations and the Charybdis of condoning leaks.

Seems legit.

Also, I like how he could have said "the administration's only way out from between a proverbial rock and a hard place", but he decided Greek Mythology was where it's at for this context. Any thoughts on why? I have none.
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