David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:13 am

so maybe hope for the reptiles? :P


A chimp-pig hybrid origin for humans?
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(Phys.org) —These days, getting a Ph.D. is probably the last thing you want to do if you are out to revolutionize the world. If, however, what you propose is an idea, rather than a technology, it can still be a valuable asset to have. Dr. Eugene McCarthy is a Ph.D. geneticist who has made a career out of studying hybridization in animals. He now curates a biological information website called Macroevolution.net where he has amassed an impressive body of evidence suggesting that human origins can be best explained by hybridization between pigs and chimpanzees. Extraordinary theories require extraordinary evidence and McCarthy does not disappoint. Rather than relying on genetic sequence comparisons, he instead offers extensive anatomical comparisons, each of which may be individually assailable, but startling when taken together. Why weren't these conclusions arrived at much sooner? McCarthy suggests it is because of an over-dependence on genetic data among biologists. He argues that humans are probably the result of multiple generations of backcrossing to chimpanzees, which in nucleotide sequence data comparisons would effectively mask any contribution from pig.

Generally speaking, interspecies hybrids—like mules, ligers (lion-tiger hybrids), or zedonks (zebra-donkey hybrids)—are less fertile than the parents that produced them. However, as McCarthy has documented in his years of research into hybrids, many crosses produce hybrids that can produce offspring themselves. The mule, he notes, is an exceptionally sterile hybrid and not representative of hybrids as a whole. When it comes time to play the old nuclear musical chairs and produce gametes, some types of hybrids do a much better job. Liger females, for example, can produce offspring in backcrosses with both lions and tigers. McCarthy also points out that fertility can be increased through successive backcrossing with one of the parents, a common technique used by breeders. In the case of chimp - pig hybridization, the "direction of the cross" would likely have been a male boar or pig (Sus scrofa) with a female chimp (Pan troglodytes), and the offspring would have been nurtured by a chimp mother among chimpanzees (shades of Tarzan!). The physical evidence for this is convincing, as you can discover for yourself with a trip over to macroevolution.net.

When I asked McCarthy if he could give a date estimate for the hybridization event, he said that there are a couple broad possibilities: (1) It might be that hybridization between pigs and apes produced the earliest hominids millions of years ago and that subsequent mating within this hybrid swarm eventually led to the various hominid types and to modern humans; (2) separate crosses between pigs and apes could have produced separate hominids (and there's even a creepy possibility that hybridization might even still be occurring in regions where Sus and Pan still seem to come into contact, like Southern Sudan).
This latter possibility may not sound so far-fetched after you read the riveting details suggesting that the origin of the gorilla may be best explained by hybridization with the equally massive forest hog. This hog is found within the same habitat as the gorilla, and shares many uncommon physical features and habits. Furthermore, well-known hybridization effects can explain many of the fertility issues and other peculiarities of gorilla physiology.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby American Dream » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:17 am

Canadian_watcher » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:15 am wrote:
So is it bad to be a military contractor or something? Inherently, I mean?


I strongly disagree with the U.S. military- would never want to help them do what they do. I might consider helping patch up wounded employees if they were done working and not going back to military service. But I'm so fundamentally opposed to their mission that I would never knowingly help fulfill it.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Canadian_watcher » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:22 am

American Dream » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:17 am wrote:
Canadian_watcher » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:15 am wrote:
So is it bad to be a military contractor or something? Inherently, I mean?


I strongly disagree with the U.S. military- would never want to help them do what they do. I might consider helping patch up wounded employees if they were done working and not going back to military service. But I'm so fundamentally opposed to their mission that I would never knowingly help fulfill it.


I guess Bart Farkas (JREF writer discrediting HeartMath) has some questionable motives then. Or maybe he didn't realize who he was working for at the time. Either way, not a great background for a specialist debunker. or am I wrong?
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby American Dream » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:28 am

Canadian_watcher » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:22 am wrote:
American Dream » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:17 am wrote:
Canadian_watcher » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:15 am wrote:
So is it bad to be a military contractor or something? Inherently, I mean?


I strongly disagree with the U.S. military- would never want to help them do what they do. I might consider helping patch up wounded employees if they were done working and not going back to military service. But I'm so fundamentally opposed to their mission that I would never knowingly help fulfill it.


I guess Bart Farkas (JREF writer discrediting HeartMath) has some questionable motives then. Or maybe he didn't realize who he was working for at the time. Either way, not a great background for a specialist debunker. or am I wrong?


It certainly doesn't denote good politics to me but whether a specific criticism he made is valid or not is a different question.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:04 am

solace » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:40 pm wrote:Selected Quotes Of David Icke

compiled by Will Offley
February 23, 2000

The quotes below are all taken from David Icke's 1995 book "...and the truth shall set you free". The book was self-published by Icke after his regular publisher refused to print it due to its content.

"In the very late 1800's, a controversial document came to light called the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I call them the Illuminati Protocols, and I quote many extracts from them in The Robots' Rebellion. Some say they were a forgery made public only to discredit Jews, and I use the term "Illuminati Protocols" to get away from the Jewish emphasis. If they were a forgery, something that is quite possible, what were they a forgery of, and by whom?"

Icke, p.57 [see p. 130 and p. 453, below]

"I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel (for which, given the genetic history of most Jewish people, there is absolutely no justification on historical grounds or any other). They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."

Icke, p. 130

"My use of extracts from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was too much for political purity to take. It didn't matter that I had emphasised, as I do in this book, that this is not a plot by Jewish people; it didn't matter that I renamed them the "Illuminati Protocols" for the specific reason of getting away from their association with Jewish people; it didn't matter that these Protocols, which came to light in the late 1800's, contain details of the very plan of manipulation which has provably unfolded through the twentieth century."

Icke, p. 453

"The same attitude that suppressed the challenge to the manipulation of World War Two, today sees people vilified and jailed for questioning some of the official versions of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. If you do that, no one listens to the evidence because this is lost in the tidal wave of vilification and condemnation. If people want to believe that all those who question the official line are Nazis and apologists for the Hitler regime, or anti-Jewish, then they must go ahead and do so. But I'll tell them this. They are kidding themselves, because that isn't true. It simply isn't."

David Icke, "...And The Truth Shall Set You Free", p. 127

"The "Jews" of the Global Elite could not give a damn about Jewish people, as the Germans in the clique could not care less about the German people. To them, the masses of whatever race, colour or country, are a herd of nonentities who are there to be used only as necessary to serve their master --- the Luciferic Consciousness on the Fourth Dimension. The "All-Seeing" Jews, however, and their non-Jewish conspirators, use the smokescreen of "anti-Semitism" and the genuine suffering of real Jews to prevent investigation of their sinister activities. I am convinced that it was this clique which wrote and leaked the Protocols [of the Elders of Zion] and made it look like a plot by Jewish people as a whole. It is not. No, no, no!"

Icke, p. 130

"In Britain, I am told by an extremely reliable source very close to the intelligence organisations that the "far-right" group, Combat 18, is a front for the sinister Anti-Defamation League, the United States arm of the Israeli/Rothschild secret service, Mossad. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has been operating in Britain and Europe since at least 1991 and its role is to brand as anti-Semitic anyone who is getting close to the truth of what is going on. What better way to discredit an investigator than to have a "far-Right" group like Combat 18 to praise them?"

Icke, p. 133-134

"...Why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history."

Icke, p. 135

"The Talmud, the Jewish book of law, contains among other little gems, the following: "Just the Jews are humans, the non-Jews are no humans, but cattle" (Kerithuth 6b, page 78, Jebhammoth 61); "The non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as Slaves" (Midrasch Talpioth 225); "Sexual intercourse with non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals" (Kethuboth 3b); "The non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sick pigs" (Orach Chaiim, 57, 6a); "The birth rate of non-Jews has to be suppressed massively" (Zohar II, 4b); "As you replace lost cows and donkeys, so you shall replace non-Jews" (Lore Dea 377,1). And so it goes on and on. So how often do the "anti-racist" protesters demonstrate outside Talmudic events. Never. Exactly."

Icke, p. 136

"Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are. They have such a contribution to make to the good of the world. But I have rarely met one who really loves themself or does not carry the burden of inherited guilt. My friends, it is all about control. It's time to let it go. Jewish people (who, like the rest of us, are evolving consciousnesses which happen to be experiencing a Jewish lifetime), will never be free until they step out of the mental and emotional control of this tiny clique, which uses them in the most merciless ways to advance its own sick and diabolical ambitions, in league with an equally sick clique of non-Jews."

Icke, p. 137

"After the war, the Nuremberg [sic] trials sat in judgement on the Germans. When you look beyond the sanitised history books, you see that those trials were a farce, a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation, often punishing those without influence to cover the tracks of those who had it... like the Americans on the boards of the U.S.-Nazi cartels and parent companies."

Icke, p. 137

"The Planned Parenthood Federation, which has been supported at every opportunity by George Bush and the manipulating elite, was actually founded in London, at the offices of the British Eugenics Society. You can see that while the names change and the rhetoric may be couched in terms deemed acceptable to public opinion at the time, we are looking at the same unwavering agenda, weaving its way through the decades and the generations. Nazi Germany was but its most famous example. Global centralisation of power, fundamental control of the minds and bodies of the mass population, and the creation of a master race. These are the themes that span the centuries and they still dominate the secret agenda today, which is manipulating our lives."

Icke, p.145

"I stress that I am not attacking Friends of the Earth, Greenpeace, and the environmental movement in general. They have done some good work overall. I am merely pointing out that they can, and are, used to promote the New World Order, mostly (though certainly not in every case), without their knowledge."

Icke, p. 267

"On April 19th, 1995, I believe that the Global Elite, via elements within the U.S. government, the CIA and Mossad, murdered some 168 men, women and children in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City."

http://publiceye.org/Icke/Ickequotes.htm

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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Canadian_watcher » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:13 am

thank you for demonstrating my point in the thread I started about Word Magic and the debunking strategy book.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby DrEvil » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:14 am

82_28 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:52 pm wrote:Fuck this guy, MIB. He can get lost as far as I am concerned. His name is stupid, his website is incurious and he's a dick. Fuck him and ban him. Also, fuck David Icke. I don't get a bit of it. I don't buy it but can see fascination and relate to the fascinating subject he seems to espouse. I've seen enough David Lynch and read enough Philip K. Dick and also a disciple of Sagan's Demon Haunted World to say to MIB is a fool. I hope he sticks around though actually. There's nothing more fun than dealing with a humorless cocksucker on the many meta levels he senses he has the grip on and misses the entire forest. Let's see if he can chill out and converse as opposed to his extra special abilities of being perfect. I very much doubt it. I look forward to being proven wrong.


Agreed. And having him around makes me look practically sane. :partyhat

(Pro-tip for MIB: white text on black bg is bad, mkay? Makes it extremely hard to read for people with color-blindness.)

And no offense to Jerky, but what's up with the signing of every post? I see it all over the tubes, and it's annoying as hell.

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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:17 am

brainpanhandler » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:04 am wrote:
solace » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:40 pm wrote:Selected Quotes Of David Icke

compiled by Will Offley
February 23, 2000

The quotes below are all taken from David Icke's 1995 book "...and the truth shall set you free". The book was self-published by Icke after his regular



posting the same link 5 times in a thread is.....just for emphasis I suppose? :roll:
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:21 am

DrEvil » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:14 am wrote:
82_28 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:52 pm wrote:Fuck this guy, MIB. He can get lost as far as I am concerned. His name is stupid, his website is incurious and he's a dick. Fuck him and ban him. Also, fuck David Icke. I don't get a bit of it. I don't buy it but can see fascination and relate to the fascinating subject he seems to espouse. I've seen enough David Lynch and read enough Philip K. Dick and also a disciple of Sagan's Demon Haunted World to say to MIB is a fool. I hope he sticks around though actually. There's nothing more fun than dealing with a humorless cocksucker on the many meta levels he senses he has the grip on and misses the entire forest. Let's see if he can chill out and converse as opposed to his extra special abilities of being perfect. I very much doubt it. I look forward to being proven wrong.


Agreed. And having him around makes me look practically sane. :partyhat

(Pro-tip for MIB: white text on black bg is bad, mkay? Makes it extremely hard to read for people with color-blindness.)

And no offense to Jerky, but what's up with the signing of every post? I see it all over the tubes, and it's annoying as hell.

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Isn't that one of his debunkin' targets?
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:26 am

Canadian_watcher » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:13 am wrote:thank you for demonstrating my point in the thread I started about Word Magic and the debunking strategy book.


I guess you are addressing me. Hard to say. If so, then you are welcome... I guess.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:28 am

seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:17 am wrote:
brainpanhandler » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:04 am wrote:
solace » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:40 pm wrote:Selected Quotes Of David Icke

compiled by Will Offley
February 23, 2000

The quotes below are all taken from David Icke's 1995 book "...and the truth shall set you free". The book was self-published by Icke after his regular



posting the same link 5 times in a thread is.....just for emphasis I suppose? :roll:


Not emphasis so much as simply bringing the conversation back around to the fact that ICKE USED THE PEZ AS A TEMPLATE. Caps for emphasis.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Mason I Bilderberg » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:34 am

American Dream » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:38 am wrote:Only a very few people of late have been willing to go anywhere close to making an overt statement regarding whether they do or don't buy into specific claims made by David Icke.


I find it interesting the number of people (not necessarily here on this forum) who reference Icke and his books, his speeches, etc. as a path to "waking up" or to cease being "sheeple," but when you ask these same people about the lizard people (or princess Diana being a human sacrifice or past presidents being pedophiles and/or blood drinkers) they freeze up, call you names, tap dance or try to ban the question (ie: ban the person) from the conversation.

Some background info:

It was the circumstance i describe above that brought me to Icke and his human-alien assertion. A conspiracy theory family member kept talking about Icke. I went out and bought 4 books by Icke and read them all. I watched hours and hours of his videos (When my family member said "educate yourself," i took him seriously) (big mistake) (i was a conspiracy theory novice). When i went back to my family member and began discussing some of Icke's theories (the Icke theories conspiracy theorists NEVER tell you about) well … i was yelled and screamed at and told "i obviously have a stick up my a** for David Icke!" and any further attempts by me to discuss Icke was summarily brushed aside because i am "obviously" biased against Icke.

I believe this is a classic example of confirmation bias. Why does a person read an Icke book (any book) and consciously acknowledge only those portions the reader wishes to be true while completely ignoring equally weighty topics like lizard people and modern day human sacrifices?

This kind of selective attention speaks volumes about the reader, begging the question: What void must be tugging on their psyche that they can blind themselves to, or completely avoid and deny, the other side of Icke's coin?

As Mr. Spock would say: "Fascinating."

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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Canadian_watcher » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:37 am

Mason I Bilderberg » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:34 am wrote:
American Dream » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:38 am wrote:Only a very few people of late have been willing to go anywhere close to making an overt statement regarding whether they do or don't buy into specific claims made by David Icke.


I find it interesting the number of people (not necessarily here on this forum) who reference Icke and his books, his speeches, etc. as a path to "waking up" or to cease being "sheeple," but when you ask these same people about the lizard people (or princess Diana being a human sacrifice or past presidents being pedophiles and/or blood drinkers) they freeze up, call you names, tap dance or try to ban the question (ie: ban the person) from the conversation.


I didn't do that, but you did it to me in return.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Mason I Bilderberg » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:40 am

DrEvil » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:46 am wrote:
If somebody had posted a disney movie here, i don't see how it would be unreasonable to expect somebody here likes disney movies.


It's perfectly possible to like Disney movies without believing the characters in them are real.


Except nobody is using disney movies as a guiding philosophy on how the world "really" works.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby American Dream » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:41 am

Mason I Bilderberg » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:34 am wrote:
American Dream » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:38 am wrote:Only a very few people of late have been willing to go anywhere close to making an overt statement regarding whether they do or don't buy into specific claims made by David Icke.


I find it interesting the number of people (not necessarily here on this forum) who reference Icke and his books, his speeches, etc. as a path to "waking up" or to cease being "sheeple," but when you ask these same people about the lizard people (or princess Diana being a human sacrifice or past presidents being pedophiles and/or blood drinkers) they freeze up, call you names, tap dance or try to ban the question (ie: ban the person) from the conversation.

Some background info:

It was the circumstance i describe above that brought me to Icke and his human-alien assertion. A conspiracy theory family member kept talking about Icke. I went out and bought 4 books by Icke and read them all. I watched hours and hours of his videos (When my family member said "educate yourself," i took him seriously) (big mistake) (i was a conspiracy theory novice). When i went back to my family member and began discussing some of Icke's theories (the Icke theories conspiracy theorists NEVER tell you about) well … i was yelled and screamed at and told "i obviously have a stick up my a** for David Icke!" and any further attempts by me to discuss Icke was summarily brushed aside because i am "obviously" biased against Icke.

I believe this is a classic example of confirmation bias. Why does a person read an Icke book (any book) and consciously acknowledge only those portions the reader wishes to be true while completely ignoring equally weighty topics like lizard people and modern day human sacrifices?

This kind of selective attention speaks volumes about the reader, begging the question: What void must be tugging on their psyche that they can blind themselves to, or completely avoid and deny, the other side of Icke's coin?

As Mr. Spock would say: "Fascinating."

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