David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[Jerky]

If that's really all you hear, then discussion with you can serve no further purpose, and you really should be banned. You're wasting everyone's time.

If I were a mod, I would have banned you by now.

Mods, please take this as a suggestion.

Sincerely,
YOPJ

So I must be misunderstanding you. Please forgive me. Why this tremendous focus on whether people believe what Icke says? Rather than on what he says?

All i'm doing is asking a very clear question with specific references: "Who believes in human-alien hybrids controlling the world as espoused by David Icke?"

All i hear is tap dancing.

MIB

[psynapz]

I'm not sure what my beliefs have to do with my questioning David Icke believers. It's like taking my car to Jiffy Lube and the technician wants to discuss my hair cut. My hair cut has nothing to do with my oil getting changed.

A well-rehearsed defense used by the defensive when unwilling to participate in an organic debate they initiated but no longer control.

Also no, in this case, it's more like taking your car to a bicycle shop and demanding incessantly and indignantly that someone there please perform an oil change on your car, then erecting an ironically hypocritical and apparently self-unaware strawman argument when they ask you if you want a haircut too while you're there.

Yes, both cars and bikes have rubber tires and help you get your sweet PVC-clad ass to the gay pride parade downtown before the march leaves the staging area, but look, you've simply got the wrong shop, mate!

Around here, belief is largely irrelevant to the rigorous pursuit of the intuitive spaces between demonstrable falsehoods where the most accurate narratives may be triangulated, and I would further suggest that around here belief is more widely regarded as a mental prison than as some useful position to attack or defend for the purpose of scoring vapid and self-gratifying debate points over a given subject. Not sure where you've been hanging out online, but welcome to RI...

Everything i want known about me is contained in the "About Me" link at my blog.

[Edited to add:] Boy, I'll say. Highly recommended reading for any participants in this discussion as it has devolved thus far. For extra credit, read it then bump the first thread that comes to mind with your favorite quote from MIB's about page.

I don’t believe in spirits, ghosts, gods, demons, angels, aliens, intelligent designers, government conspirators, or any manner of invisible agents with power and intention.

Overlooking the opportunity for ridiculous semantic argumentation made possible by these careless ambiguities and assuming contemporary interpretations of what you probably meant there, I would just like to be the first to state what I take for granted as an excruciatingly-obvious point here: that the existence of government conspirators has been documented in a variety of cases, the fact of which does not require anyone to believe in it in offer for it to remain unambiguously proven true.

If you need specific examples, then lurk moar, newfriend.

[American Dream]

David Icke is still very much propounding a mix of "true facts" and rat poison.

Let's not forget this.

[seemslikeadream]

ooops party's over..... dad's home

This turned out to be

THE - BEST - DAVID - ICKE - THREAD - EVER

[Searcher08]

David Icke is still very much propounding a mix of "true facts" and rat poison.

Let's not forget this.

I respect your value of finding the accuracy of Icke's content. I reflected on what you said and had some thoughts...

"true facts" can provide people with an opportunity for discernment - and creative thinking

For example:
'Alien reptilians ruling the world'
which comes from
Entities with 'trickster' aspects interacting with and influencing people according to a Southern African (Zulu) shamanic worldview.
might have come from
Some sort of intervention interaction with ETI...
which when memespliced with
the facts that the number of planets with a 'Goldilocks Zone' is revising ever-upwards - (NASA saying 500 million in the Milky Way alone is now seen as *conservative* (!!!) )
which when memespliced with
the Multiverse theory of physics (which has aspects that were predicted and validated eg The Southern 'Cold Spot') which opens up the
leads to a 'working hypothesis' that
The chances of Earth NOT being subject to a great deal of on-going high-volume multi-actor ETI interaction are near zero....

rat poison is dangerous to rats and to humans if eaten, but not if touched.
When I think of rat poison for rats, I think of Icke enabling someone like Ben Fellows to have a voice, a case of absolutely enormous potential impact. Does he try and give a voice to people with absolutely none? Well, yes. Jimmy Saville victims, Holly Grieg, Ben Fellows, the Cabinda slaughter. The single activist thread on Jimmy Savile has had more than 8 million views...

Icke also creates an environment where people start questioning things that they have taken for granted - and around the whole Elites / Pedos area he was having a huge amount of crap thrown at him for saying for years for calling out Jimmy Saville and Prince Phillip. In the UK this was actually WAY more bizarre than anything 'reptilian' - the Saville allegations turned out to be if anything UNDERstated...
So my point is that it is important to be very aware of what one is labelling 'rat poison', because rat poison = 'preposterous' isnt asserting a truth value, it's an adjective.

My other point about him is simple:
the importance of coming up with alternative explanations to what Icke says that may fit facts much better than Icke's own dot joining.

For example, for me his 'pyramid hierarchical' model of power relations is much less convincing than an 'ecosystem' one. That doesnt stop real world factions trying to enact a globalist hierarchy though...

FInally, - I spent time looking on Icke's Forum for people who really want to take real world action, and found loads of them

They were unsure how to take the first step and what to do -

- we started a discussion on this very subject last week which I dropped the ball on - so I am going back there to pick the ball up again - and run with it

PS
David Icke generates lots of noise in the signal - whereas someone like Sam Harris generates lots of hate in the signal.

Notice how an interesting critique (on Eben Alexander, in Newsweek) is sandwiched in fascistic "My way is the ONLY WAY" a fascistic bullshit of cognitive monoculture.

Harris et al are MUCH more dangerous than Icke, their influence is orders of magnitude greater in the real world and their message is MUCH clearer...

Whether you read it online or hold the physical object in your hands, this issue of Newsweek is best viewed as an archaeological artifact that is certain to embarrass us in the eyes of future generations. Its existence surely says more about our time than the editors at the magazine meant to say—for the cover alone reveals the abasement and desperation of our journalism, the intellectual bankruptcy and resultant tenacity of faith-based religion, and our ubiquitous confusion about the nature of scientific authority. The article is the modern equivalent of a 14th-century woodcut depicting the work of alchemists, inquisitors, Crusaders, and fortune-tellers. I hope our descendants understand that at least some of us were blushing.

<Interesting fun article about NDEs>

Let me suggest that, whether or not heaven exists, Alexander sounds precisely how a scientist should not sound when he doesn’t know what he is talking about. And his article is not the sort of thing that the editors of a once-important magazine should publish if they hope to reclaim some measure of respect for their battered brand.

[seemslikeadream]

Dawn is a feeling
A beautiful ceiling
The smell of grass
Just makes you pass
Into a dream

You're here today
No future fears
This day will last
A thousand years
If you want it to

You look around you
Things they astound you
So breathe in deep
You're not asleep
Open your mind

You're here today
No future fears
This day will last
A thousand years
If you want it to

Do you understand
That all over this land
There's a feeling
In minds far and near
Things are becoming clear
With a meaning

Now that you're knowing
Pleasure starts flowing
It's true life flies
Faster than eyes
Could ever see

You're here today
No future fears
This day will last
A thousand years
If you want it to




Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colours from our sight
Red is gray and yellow, white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion

Pinprick holes in a colourless sky
Let insipid figures of light pass by
The mighty light of ten thousand suns
Challenges infinity and is soon gone
Night time, to some a brief interlude
To others the fear of solitude

Brave Helios, wake up your steeds
Bring the warmth the countryside needs

[seemslikeadream]

here's looking at you Mr. Climate Change Denier Bildebergy

you can take your debunkin site and peddle it somewhere else cause......I AIN'T BUYING IT!

If you're completely wrong about climate change how can I ever take anything from you seriously...especially with you palin' around with the likes of James Randi?

...and this ain't off topic ....this is a credibility issue

I find what YOU are selling is dangerous.....and this is just my opinion much more dangerous than David Icke

and you have your nerve coming here and demanding answers from me???? What are my personal beliefs....are you kidding me? I'll talk with other members of RI about some of that stuff ...but you? Who do you think you are?

People Get Ready: 'Unprecedented' Weather Glimpses Century Ahead


Latest report from WMO says first decade of century was hottest, wettest on record with more to come

- Jon Queally, staff writer

It was a decade of 'unprecedented' extreme weather, caused by warmer oceans, hotter temperatures, and an atmosphere saturated with moisture. And there's more where that came from.
The rate of rising oceans has doubled, the heat temperatures for both land and water are on the rise, the melting of the Arctic ice is speeding up, and both the weather extremes the world is experiencing and the overall global warming trends are simply 'unprecedented.'

That's the assessment contained in the World Meteorological Organization's latest report, The Global Climate 2001-2010, A Decade of Climate Extremes, which examined the first decade of the 21st century. The report, released Wednesday, arrived with this warning: we better get ready for more.

"Carbon-dioxide concentration [...] reached an average global value of 389 parts per million by the end of the decade, the highest value recorded for at least the past 10,000 years."

"Rising concentrations of heat-trapping greenhouse gases are changing our climate, with far reaching implications for our environment and our oceans, which are absorbing both carbon dioxide and heat,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud.

The decade between 2001 and 2010, according to the report, was both the hottest and the wettest since modern records were started in 1850.

According to the report, "Carbon-dioxide concentration [...] reached an average global value of 389 parts per million by the end of the decade, the highest value recorded for at least the past 10,000 years."

The group, which takes a global look at weather events and their relationship to macro trends in atmospheric and ocean patterns, says looking at a complete decade of data is the best way to make accurate analysis of a climate system as complex as the Earth's.

“A decade is the minimum possible timeframe for meaningful assessments of climate change,” said Jarraud. “WMO’s report shows that global warming was significant from 1971 to 2010 and that the decadal rate of increase between 1991-2000 and 2001-2010 was unprecedented."

On an annual basis, he continued, regional and global trends may go up and down, but on a "long-term basis the underlying trend is clearly in an upward direction."

The WHO also released this video summary of their report:

[Canadian_watcher]

well, for the record, I don't dismiss everything Mason I Bilderberg says out of hand because I might not agree with him on this or that, either.

We're only humans, ffs, and we're bound to back the wrong horse now and then. I think that as long as we don't get married to our opinions we'll be okay.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

. . .
and I'll just tell you: I personally don't think Icke has it right, except on some bits and pieces here and there included because constructing a modern mythology necessarily involves salting the story with some generally accepted truths (as well as some not generally accepted truths.)

Do you believe human-alien hybrids exist?

[Mason I Bilderberg]

I don't see anything about my preference for acceptance and non-question-asking in there. Because it's not there. It was the intrusive, aggressive, unwarranted questions about the individual beliefs of others I was objecting to, on stated grounds. Questions such as -- for example -- "How long is a piece of string?" and "What fresh hell is this?" and many, many others might well be both perfectly fine and very interesting.

I enjoy conversation. And I often profit from it, too. We probably just have different conversational approaches and skill sets. Because most people do.

Intrusive? Unwarranted?

A video of Icke was posted on this forum. Since it's posted here, i'm curious to know who believes Icke and to what extent. Of those who believe Icke, i wonder if anybody believes human-alien hybrids exist.

If somebody had posted a disney movie here, i don't see how it would be unreasonable to expect somebody here likes disney movies.

[American Dream]

Only a very few people of late have been willing to go anywhere close to making an overt statement regarding whether they do or don't buy into specific claims made by David Icke.

So appreciating those select individuals who have at least some willingness to say what they actually think about the David Icke worldview.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

Disrespectful? You're asking questions, demanding answers and you haven't even gone through the prerequisite RI Initiation Rite yet...


I will give you a bit of a clue ....THERE ARE NO DAVID ICKE TRUE BELIEVERS HERE....contrary to what you've been told or assume....so maybe you are going to be disappointed cause nobody is going to engage in that conversation with you...

THAT'S all i was wondering. Nobody here believes Icke enough to engage in the human-alien hybrid questions i asked.

In all these years i have yet to find one person who will openly discuss their belief in the human-alien hybrid reptilian race.

[DrEvil]

If somebody had posted a disney movie here, i don't see how it would be unreasonable to expect somebody here likes disney movies.

It's perfectly possible to like Disney movies without believing the characters in them are real.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

Yeah, if you’re looking for a true believer, there is no such [person] at this address.

It only took, what? Three, four pages of back and forth to squeeze out this answer?

I always wanted to be a dentist.

[Sounder]

MIB wrote....

In all these years i have yet to find one person who will openly discuss their belief in the human-alien hybrid reptilian race.

Maybe you should visit the Icke forum.

Mason, you still seem to be intent on imposing the assumption that we here; 'believe in the existence of an human-alien reptilian race'.

odd, anyway 'beliefs' are so yesterday.

Hey Mason, join me over at the Mechanics of Power thread.

Show us your chops.