David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[justdrew]

Please believe me, JustDrew, when I tell you that David Icke is not anyone for whom I have a great deal of respect (beyond the bare minimum of basic respect I afford all sentient beings) or from whom I would ever be willing to take any marching orders.

That said, I do find his enthusiasm somewhat infectious. And he does delve into areas of research where I, myself, have been digging for decades now, too. So I appreciate being able to hear someone else's take on, say, the undergirding network of beliefs that make up the foundations of Theosophy, Anthroposophy, Thelema, and the pseudo-Swedenborgian "Christian Kabbalah" materials that made late 19th and early 20th century occultism such a fascinating stew of ideologies to sample.

Basically, I see Icke as kind of being like a occultist Tarantino, in that Tarantino has far better taste in film than he has actual film-making chops (imo). You get more from checking out what Tarantino (and Icke) are into than you do from actually engaging their own stuff.

YOPJ

YOPJ

yeah, been meaning to say something about, "check out the source material"

[American Dream]

Cross-posting from the "TIDS" thread:

TW!

http://www.acceler8or.com/2012/09/shock ... fo-agents/

Shocking Shocker! Alex Jones & David Icke Are Illuminati Disinfo Agents!

By Dolphy Hipler



I guess it all started about a year ago. As part of my duties tracking conspiracy sites for my Illuminati Masters, I started noticing that Alex Jones was ranting more and more frequently against the transhumanists and singularitarians.

Now, my job with Illuminati Central is fairly simply. I track the conspiracy sites and warn the Illuminated Ones if anyone is getting to close to the truth as I understand it.

The illuminati’s plans — under constant revision — are conveyed to plebian members such as I every June at a week long Tantric DMT reorientation workshop held in Bavaria, soon after the Illuminated Ones return from that big Bilderberger shebang that they seem to enjoy so much. Every year, it’s the same thing: they come bearing tales. Once again, they were amazed at the size of Kissinger’s schlong. Once again, they laughed so much they shat while bowling on acid with the frozen head of Dr. Leary. Once again, Sandra Day O’Conner told that same damn story about eating cow balls, which they then insisted on repeating word for word for our “benefit.” Blah blah blah.

Well, it’s all jolly until you have to ingest curare and lie in a casket for 24 hours. “If a Bush can do it, anybody can!” they always tell us. They don’t mention that John Kerry died during his initiation. They just assume we can’t tell.

Anyway, at some point, the Alex Jones rants started to bother me. It wasn’t that it was at all close to the Secret Plans as I understood them. Far from it. But what if Jones was right? What if it was all true? What if the Illuminati Masters weren’t really plotting to bring about a hedonic paradise on earth for all sentient beings, like that nice Dr. Benway promised me at that Virtual Reality party back in ‘91? What if, in fact, they were simply brainwashing us now so we would march submissively to our deaths, all the while thinking that we were uploading our brains into a cool-ass pornographic adventure game? I couldn’t stop wondering. It became an obsession. I wanted to know the truth. I was willing, even, to risk the wrath of the Illuminated Ones to find out.

I sent message after message to my handler, begging her to pass it up the chain to the Perfect One — The Master Of All Masters — he who we dare not speak of but who some call Kurzweil 9.0. It got so I was sending her 8, 9, even 10 notes a day — long notes disguised as official reports so that she would have to open them, speculating about the horrific possibilities that were tormenting my mind.

Then, one day, just as I was about to inject my daily dose of dep-Testosterone, my cell rang. It was not the usual ringtone. It was the Master Of All Masters ringing me up with the secret code: “Oy ve! Oy ve! Oy ve! Oy ve! Oy….” Excitedly, I pressed receive. “This is Hipler,” I said, hoping that my voice would not betray too much fear. “Hipler,” the jovial voice responded. “How the heck are ya? This is Kurzweil Nine. What’s the haps?” “Did you get my notes about Alex Jones?” I managed to squeak out. “Sure. Sure. Read enough of them to get the gist. Listen, Hipler, don’t worry about Jones. Jones is one of ours. Him and that creepy Icke fellah. Icky Iche, I call ‘im. He pouts so. Say, you ever notice how a Brit will always overreact to an insult unless you also call ‘im a cunt? Like if I say, ‘Icky Iche, ya cunt,’ then it’s all friendly jesting and ‘Hey, let’s head down to the pub and ‘ave a session.’”

I was starting to get impatient. Why was The Master Of All Masters making with the small talk when I had serious matters to discuss? As if he were reading my mind, Kurzweil Nine said, “Anyway, sorry for the small talk. It gets lonely down here underneath the Denver Airport; no one to talk to but those creepy giant grey insects. Plus, the second you let your guard down and start really saying what you feel, they’re literally 11 inches up your ass. I mean, human vulnerability really makes ‘em hot!

“Look. Here’s the scoop, Hipler. Jones and Icke are Illuminati Disinformation agents. In fact, their function is so obvious I would have figured even you would figure it out, not to get insulting. They make conspiracy theory look so absurd, so bizarre, so unattractive that no sane, talented investigative journalist will go anywhere near it. I mean, you know the drill. The Pentagon Papers. The Church Committee after Watergate. Iran-Contra. LIBOR. All just the tip of the iceberg and, as you know, there were a few others that were never revealed — legitimate conspiracies, some of them not even under our control! I mean, who the hell knows what the Queen and that LaRouche asshole are up to? And… is there something not quite right with that whole 9/11 thing? How the hell would I know?… what with Jones and Icke riling up all those new age ditzes… no sane investigative journalist wants to be associated with that.

You know, Hipler, sometimes our agents work a little bit too hard and it only causes problems. In fact, why don’t you take a breather? Come visit me under Denver. I could use some company. Oh, by the way, that’s an order. And bring Vaseline.

[seemslikeadream]

[justdrew]

there's only one way back to the island clapper

[seemslikeadream]

mere mortals?
who's to say?

[seemslikeadream]

Magic Mushrooms Can Erase Fear in Mice
By Tia Ghose, Staff WriterDate: 02 July 2013 Time: 03:14 PM ET


The active ingredient in hallucinogenic mushrooms may erase frightening memories and encourage new brain cell growth in mice, a new study suggests.

Mice given an electric shock, then a low-dose of the hallucinogen psilocybin, lost their fearful response to a sound associated with a painful electric shock much more quickly than mice that didn't receive the drug.

"They stopped freezing; they lost their fear," said study co-author Dr. Juan Sanchez-Ramos, a professor of movement disorders at the University of South Florida

[American Dream]

This is the best paragraph in the whole damn piece:

“Look. Here’s the scoop, Hipler. Jones and Icke are Illuminati Disinformation agents. In fact, their function is so obvious I would have figured even you would figure it out, not to get insulting. They make conspiracy theory look so absurd, so bizarre, so unattractive that no sane, talented investigative journalist will go anywhere near it. I mean, you know the drill. The Pentagon Papers. The Church Committee after Watergate. Iran-Contra. LIBOR. All just the tip of the iceberg and, as you know, there were a few others that were never revealed — legitimate conspiracies, some of them not even under our control! I mean, who the hell knows what the Queen and that LaRouche asshole are up to? And… is there something not quite right with that whole 9/11 thing? How the hell would I know?… what with Jones and Icke riling up all those new age ditzes… no sane investigative journalist wants to be associated with that.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

But, there's a rub here, and that is that in this case the poster in question is asking us precisely to do what you are asking us not to do: ie throw out Icke in his entirety.

If i'm "the poster" referenced in your response, i'm asking how Icke supporters square their support for Icke with Icke's human-alien hybrid theory? Also according to Icke, the secret societies orchestrating world events are these alien-human hybrids. His entire world view revolves around these alien-human hybrids. He has made so much of his identity and ideas contingent on the existence of these alien-human hybrids, i don't know how one couldn't question him in his entirety if his alien-human hybrid assertion is wrong.

This is why i ask, if you support Icke do you believe in alien-human hybrids?

[Mason I Bilderberg]

Couldn't one avoid thinking about all kinds of things, using the Six Degrees of James Randi Principle?

This is very well put.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

And I should also add the subtle introduction of the word "cult" in this thread when it comes to those who read and listen to David Icke.

I'm not subtle about saying i believe Icke exhibits many of the traits associated with a cult leader. The first 5 minutes of my video lays out my observations of his psychological techniques.

[Canadian_watcher]

But, there's a rub here, and that is that in this case the poster in question is asking us precisely to do what you are asking us not to do: ie throw out Icke in his entirety.

If i'm "the poster" referenced in your response, i'm asking how Icke supporters square their support for Icke with Icke's human-alien hybrid theory? Also according to Icke, the secret societies orchestrating world events are these alien-human hybrids. His entire world view revolves around these alien-human hybrids. He has made so much of his identity and ideas contingent on the existence of these alien-human hybrids, i don't know how one couldn't question him in his entirety if his alien-human hybrid assertion is wrong.

This is why i ask, if you support Icke do you believe in alien-human hybrids?

Yes, you are the poster I was referring to. I meant no disrespect in phrasing it that way, sorry if it came off badly.

I for one have already given you a direct answer to that very question. I really don't care if you continue to ignore it along with my follow up question to you, however it is getting under my skin quite a bit that both you and AD keep insisting that "NO ONE HERE WILL GO NEAR THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS SIMPLE QUESTION!!!" because I did man. I did. And I keep reminding the two of you but you really don't care.

You must know what message that repeated behaviour is giving to me. It tells me that you aren't interested in just any answer to your question. You want someone to say "Yes, I have committed myself to a belief in extra dimensional lizard aliens." right?

[Canadian_watcher]

So basically, AD, you're worried that "no sane journalist will want to get involved with THAT" meaning of course that icke, Jones et al might scare off legitimate inquiry into topics you find important that have inadvertently gotten mixed in with lizard beings, right?

That's so ... what's the word? Honestly is there a word? It's underdeveloped reasoning of some kind. Because think about it, if these journalists are that easily put off then who needs 'em?

The TRUE STORY is the TRUE STORY and it shouldn't matter whether or not a crackpot down the street was the first one to mention it. Imagine that - some guy in a small town starts a home radio show and he happens to be the first guy to break the story of how the mayor was involved in a child sex ring or something. So the rest of the journalists in the town throw up their hands and say, "Welp, there goes THAT bit of information! I am NOT going to associate myself with anything THAT guy says."

it's sad and pathetic. If your version of truth and justice can be brought down by mere association then they aren't very truthful or just.

And THIS is precisely why we need more changes to INDIVIDUAL integrity than we do systemic change, IMO. PEOPLE - the individuals involved in each of these decision making processes need to be better equipped and more internally fortified so that we don't continue to allow this idiotic guilt by association thing to eat the moral fiber out of the world cereal bowl leaving only the fucking mini marshmallows.

[American Dream]

both you and AD keep insisting that "NO ONE HERE WILL GO NEAR THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS SIMPLE QUESTION!!!"

This is a serious distortion of my position. No- I am saying that again and again people here are avoiding dealing with substantive criticisms of David Icke, and they use a wide variety of distracting techniques to do so.

Furthermore, I think MIB is exactly right to draw the parallel to cult mind control because much of this stuff is reminiscent of the thought-stopping techniques inculcated in the Moonies and other such destructive cults.

[American Dream]

So basically, AD, you're worried that "no sane journalist will want to get involved with THAT" meaning of course that icke, Jones et al might scare off legitimate inquiry into topics you find important that have inadvertently gotten mixed in with lizard beings, right?

That's so ... what's the word? Honestly is there a word? It's underdeveloped reasoning of some kind. Because think about it, if these journalists are that easily put off then who needs 'em?

The TRUE STORY is the TRUE STORY and it shouldn't matter whether or not a crackpot down the street was the first one to mention it. Imagine that - some guy in a small town starts a home radio show and he happens to be the first guy to break the story of how the mayor was involved in a child sex ring or something. So the rest of the journalists in the town throw up their hands and say, "Welp, there goes THAT bit of information! I am NOT going to associate myself with anything THAT guy says."

it's sad and pathetic. If your version of truth and justice can be brought down by mere association then they aren't very truthful or just.

And THIS is precisely why we need more changes to INDIVIDUAL integrity than we do systemic change, IMO. PEOPLE - the individuals involved in each of these decision making processes need to be better equipped and more internally fortified so that we don't continue to allow this idiotic guilt by association thing to eat the moral fiber out of the world cereal bowl leaving only the fucking mini marshmallows.

Once again, a distortion of my position. You are quoting a piece of satire written by someone else and then equating it with my position. No- but I do think that the hardcore fringe who don't care about evidence or thinking clearly very much do make it more credible in the mainstream to portray all conspiracy investigations as nutty. And that is very serious indeed.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

Icke provides no path to knowledge, only a divergent faith.

Same would hold true of many New Age luminaries. Rudolph Steiner has reams of material on celstial planes and on deva realms and the like- all revealed to him by extrasensory revelation.

Most trance channels the same- they want faith in their spiritual authority because that's really all they've got.

I do agree that "Icke provides no path to knowledge, only a divergent faith" because even though he may cherry pick facts to support some of his more dubious claims ultimately a lot of it boils down to his personal authority.

(There really should be a "like" button for each message)