David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[Canadian_watcher]

I do have a question though: if no one here thinks human-alien hybrids are real then how can they take Icke's world as anything more than myth or fiction? And if we all agree that Icke's world is based fundamentally on myth and fiction then aren't we all getting on the same page?

I can learn boatloads of good stuff from myth and fiction.
besides, i'm still not closed off the possibility that aliens are among us.

[82_28]

Can we all just take a moment and cut to the chase and announce that "alien-human hybrids" are simultaneously real and not-real as a boardwide protocol? Seems to solve it for me. I could take it or leave it. I just find it "fascinating" as they say, that someone thinks this line of thinking is actually seriously being entertained and thinks he can inject himself into any discussion here, even though the OP links to him, and think he lords over all reasoning period.

Alien Human Hybrids exist and also don't. I can't think of a better hybrid for a "skeptic" to get behind than that. Because I have met many a psychiatrist who take delusions seriously and a lot of scientists who take delusions to be delusions. Both are supposedly steeped in the arcana of information mere mortals would never understand. This is why they are the experts! It reminds me of me and Tim's old go arounds with this Technocracy Movement zealot, old Skip Seivert. I kinda found something about it here, since our old webpages have been scrubbed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_t ... y_movement

I agree with JQ. We need to uphold Wikipedia's NPOV and RS policies. And use scholarly sources where possible. The last thing we need is for another pro-technocracy POV editor to come along and start spamming the pages with info and links from their website. (see [2]) -- Johnfos (talk) 21:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Technocracy Movement members spam and spam hard and are very easily made to look foolish. What's so exhausting is that they never get it, but it's still fun to toy with them. Why? Because you are the entities that find us and not the other way around. People on single tracks probably won't last long here at RI. I guess, I suppose, anti-fascism is the only single track we are on, but anti-fascism includes everything in any kind of need from capricious authority. Good luck, Mason I Bilderberg.

I still can't believe that's your handle. It's like me naming myself Pee-Wee Hoover-Bundy at some site that exists to support victims of sexual deviants and abusers.

[American Dream]

I do have a question though: if no one here thinks human-alien hybrids are real then how can they take Icke's world as anything more than myth or fiction? And if we all agree that Icke's world is based fundamentally on myth and fiction then aren't we all getting on the same page?

I can learn boatloads of good stuff from myth and fiction.
besides, i'm still not closed off the possibility that aliens are among us.

If it's all about learning from myth and fiction and contemplating possibilities that are not really founded in solid evidence, then we may well have some common ground.

[American Dream]

Can we all just take a moment and cut to the chase and announce that "alien-human hybrids" are simultaneously real and not-real as a boardwide protocol? Seems to solve it for me. I could take it or leave it. I just find it "fascinating" as they say, that someone thinks this line of thinking is actually seriously being entertained and thinks he can inject himself into any discussion here, even though the OP links to him, and think he lords over all reasoning period.

Alien Human Hybrids exist and also don't. I can't think of a better hybrid for a "skeptic" to get behind than that. Because I have met many a psychiatrist who take delusions seriously and a lot of scientists who take delusions to be delusions. Both are supposedly steeped in the arcana of information mere mortals would never understand. This is why they are the experts! It reminds me of me and Tim's old go arounds with this Technocracy Movement zealot, old Skip Seivert. I kinda found something about it here, since our old webpages have been scrubbed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_t ... y_movement

I agree with JQ. We need to uphold Wikipedia's NPOV and RS policies. And use scholarly sources where possible. The last thing we need is for another pro-technocracy POV editor to come along and start spamming the pages with info and links from their website. (see [2]) -- Johnfos (talk) 21:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Technocracy Movement members spam and spam hard and are very easily made to look foolish. What's so exhausting is that they never get it, but it's still fun to toy with them. Why? Because you are the entities that find us and not the other way around. People on single tracks probably won't last long here at RI. I guess, I suppose, anti-fascism is the only single track we are on, but anti-fascism includes everything in any kind of need from capricious authority. Good luck, Mason I Bilderberg.

I still can't believe that's your handle. It's like me naming myself Pee-Wee Hoover-Bundy at some site that exists to support victims of sexual deviants and abusers.

They're not real to me- no good evidence. If I believed they were real, it would be because I was placing my faith in someone else's authority..

[82_28]

Did I say they were "real" to me? No. I said, in essence, that both exist simultaneously. One as a provable and the other as a provable phenomena -- the belief -- what we witness. We do know the phenomena exists do we not? Thus it exists for all intense and porpoises. Just like I did not write "intents and purposes". They both exist upon your screen at this moment. One is wrong and one is right -- both exist. I personally believe they are both right because the phenomena exists in and of itself. And yet, both are also wrong. . .

[brekin]

Canadian Watcher wrote:

I can learn boatloads of good stuff from myth and fiction.
besides, i'm still not closed off the possibility that aliens are among us.

Of course, but the 18 page question is whether you think Icke's core tenet of his philosophy is fiction or fact.
Just as one can't be a little bit pregnant (you either are or your not) one really can't entertain seriously that lizard-human hybrids secretly control the world while entertaining other scenarios can one? It's a totalistic schema of how the world operates. It's like believing that God controls ever little thing that happens in the world like a Sim game while also believing that everyone has free will.

Thinking alien life may possibly exist on other planets and possibly has visited Earth, or does from time to time, is a whole different order of magnitude then a organized cabal of lizard overlords going back thousands of years orchestrating the present order on Earth. I can understand liking Icke in a X-Files entertainment sense, but if you believe what he says is true then I think you are arguing that Icke is not a madman. Am I getting that correctly?

And fwiw (and this is a general address, not CW specific) why all the drama around Icke? Love him, hate him, dismiss him, entertained by him, why does an examination of someone's philosophy seem to provoke such teeth gnashing and self flagellating? If you think this thread is a waste of time for you, then it probably is, and you can step out and jump in another one. If you have strong opinions about the man and his work express them. I don' t understand all the little content free sniping and questioning of people's motives who question Icke's thesis or methods. Some people seem to have a soft spot for Icke but don't want to come out and advocate for him, while getting angry at those who do want to talk about him in a critical way. I don't get that. If you have a problem with someone's interpretation of Icke and his methods, then the sensible thing is to provide counter evidence of why they are mistaken.

[solace]

If reptoids existed; if hybrids existed; if aliens existed, why would they necessarily be evil as Icke and others paint them? Wrap your head around that and you will have entered Icke's real brain.

[Elvis]

there's some sort of weird caped shadow hornet man reflected in the glass to the left.

Hoo boy... we haven't even gotten to the insectoid aliens.


Also (but more seriously), lumping "Illuminati" and "Bilderberg" together reflects a blind spot in looking at "conspiracies":

While the Bavarian Illuminati was a real secret society, nowadays the name "Illuminati" is a plastic term used too often to describe some amorphous, hidden cabal of one sort or another who controls the world; it's meaningless. The Bilderberg Group, meanwhile, is a completely real body of (probably) the most powerful people in the world who meet in closed executive sessions, and if those sessions aren't about managing global affairs on their terms, I can't imagine what else they would be discussing and deciding. Who knows? -- maybe they're even conspiring.

The implication that the Bilderberg group should be laughed off along with the alien lizard lords strikes me as irrational.

[compared2what?]

I still can't believe that's your handle. It's like me naming myself Pee-Wee Hoover-Bundy at some site that exists to support victims of sexual deviants and abusers.

Pee-Wee?

Maybe I'm behind the curve.

[brekin]

82_82 wrote:

Did I say they were "real" to me? No. I said, in essence, that both exist simultaneously. One as a provable and the other as a provable phenomena -- the belief -- what we witness. We do know the phenomena exists do we not? Thus it exists for all intense and porpoises. Just like I did not write "intents and purposes". They both exist upon your screen at this moment. One is wrong and one is right -- both exist. I personally believe they are both right because the phenomena exists in and of itself. And yet, both are also wrong. . .

So you are saying like Santa Claus he both exists and doesn't? Existing in the hearts and minds of children and people portraying him part-time at the mall during the holiday season but there is no actual, real, individual who flies around the world named Santa Claus delivering presents on Christmas Eve? Because while Santa exists, he's not real. Just as while reptile-humans exist in our imagination and in conversation - they aren't real - don't exist in a tangible, physical form that is in our shared reality.

solace wrote:

If reptoids existed; if hybrids existed; if aliens existed, why would they necessarily be evil as Icke and others paint them? Wrap your head around that and you will have entered Icke's real brain.

bingo! Meet the new evil reptoids same as the old evil reptoids.

Revelation 12:9 ESV
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

[DrVolin]

I like to go by the classical and more closely etymological meaning of Illuminist or Illuminati. Illuminism is a system of thought based around the idea that a person's place in a social order should be based on their intellectual ability rather than their birth. An allied assumption is that the mass of people don't have the capacity to be responsible, effective citizens, regardless of birth. It is easy to see how the late 18th century illuminists represented such a threat to the established order, and why the movement was so rapidly co-opted by existing birth-based power structures (the blood lines of today's mythology).

[General Patton]

Yeah I didn't bother to read any of this thread but why isn't there more porn featuring greys and reptiles? I've only found a few bits and pieces, it's downright disappointing.

[compared2what?]

Yeah I didn't bother to read any of this thread but why isn't there more porn featuring greys and reptiles? I've only found a few bits and pieces, it's downright disappointing.

That's what you get for skipping the first 39 pages where the good stuff was.

[General Patton]

Yeah I didn't bother to read any of this thread but why isn't there more porn featuring greys and reptiles? I've only found a few bits and pieces, it's downright disappointing.

That's what you get for skipping the first 39 pages where the good stuff was.

I know, I know.

But seriously.

I can find porn from the most stridently oppressive hellholes in the world, Iran, Cambodia, nothing is off limits. There's this one guy from Iran on 4chan that absolutely loves gay furry porn and just has to post it whenever his ban expires.

But I can't find alien porn? Either they don't exist, or the thought of fucking them has not crept into the electronic collective consciousness of humanity to the degree that it is widely distributed. I can find a few rule 34 exceptions thanks to Mass Effect, as well as some softcore pieces. But not much at all.

[compared2what?]

But seriously.

I can find porn from the most stridently oppressive hellholes in the world, Iran, Cambodia, nothing is off limits. There's this one guy from Iran on 4chan that absolutely loves gay furry porn and just has to post it whenever his ban expires.

But I can't find alien porn? Either they don't exist, or the thought of fucking them has not crept into the electronic collective consciousness of humanity to the degree that it is widely distributed. I can find a few rule 34 exceptions thanks to Mass Effect, as well as some softcore pieces. But not much at all.

Well. If you just go up to the guy at the counter and say, "Yo, chief! Got any..um, you know, alien-on-reptile titles? I got cash!" OF COURSE he's going to think you're a cop.

Try masonic hand signals.