David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:04 pm

Elvis » Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:05 pm wrote:While the Bavarian Illuminati was a real secret society, . . .


"Secret society" is not inherently a bad thing. Many people and societies, clubs, organization and religions HAD to remain secret in years past for fear of reprisal from those in authority. Even Christianity was a "secret" society for 300 years until Roman Emperor Constantine the Great declared Christianity the dominant religion. Until then, Christians were persecuted and HAD to keep their religion secret.

Being secret wasn't a bad thing, it was usually necessary to avoid death.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:29 pm

brainpanhandler » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:30 am wrote:
Mason I Bilderberg » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:28 am wrote:
To paraphrase one example told by one of my favorite authors:

A caveman walks past some tall grass and hears a rustling. As a matter of survival, does he assume it's a bird building a nest or a lion preparing to pounce and have him for dinner?

Thousands of years later, the Darwin Award winners from the above scenario has given us a brain that instinctively fears the unknown or explains the unknown by believing in invisible agents with power and intent (spirits, ghosts, gods, demons, angels, aliens, intelligent designers, government conspirators).



Who is the author?

Do you believe "government conspirators" are "invisible agents"?


I'll reveal the author at a later time because i don't want the discussion to center around who the author is and/or what his/her motivations might be.

People do ascribe events to "invisible" government agents. How many times have you heard "It's a government coverup," with no names attached to the term "government"? "Government" has become an answer without answers. It's similar to the "they" we hear about. "They" assassinated him. Who is "they"? "They" represents the instinct we developed over thousands of years from Darwin Award winners. "Fear of the unknown," "Prepare for the worst, expect the best." It's a survival mechanism. It must deceive us to protect us.

This instinct is often not logical - logic is second to our instinct to survive.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:41 pm

Project Willow » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:50 am wrote:^Yup. Nice. [on edit, echoing BPH's post]

I also have to say, personally, and not in a mod role, quips like this:

Mason I Bilderberg 05 Jul 2013 17:42 wrote: wrote:Okay. All done for now. I need to get on a conference call with The Masons, The Bilderbergers, The IMF, The Federal Reserve and a whole slew of lizard people.
:clown


suggest that what's in store for anyone coming forward in response to your questioning is nothing but mockery. So that makes the whole exercise silly, as who, in their right mind is going to come forward in order to be mocked?

Who also, is going to come forward in order to be interrogated?

I'll say it again, I have no problem with people posting about their own views of Icke, for a hundred pages or whatever, but entering upon some quest to "out" and interrogate anyone with alternate views is neither a respectful, nor fruitful approach.

IOW, please, cut it out.


I don't like asking people to read links, but in this case i ask you to read my response to the prior message.

You are projecting.

I feel like Galileo showing the church his brand new telescope. Without knowing where he intends to point it or what he intends to find, he is judged a heretic.

Believe it or not, my sign off was meant to me humorous. I'm not wearing devil horns.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:48 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:41 am wrote:Are you seriously this stupid?

Paul Williams/Rubino, what do you even do in real life? North Carolina is beautiful, man, get outside.

Edit: From the "Don't Ever Say I Didn't Do Anything For You" dept...

Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:37 am wrote:Have you ever defended Icke's belief that human-alien hybrids exist?


Nope.


If i told you what i did in real life it would only distract from the conversation (in a BIG way!).

So you have never defended Icke's belief that human-alien hybrids exist, but you have defended Icke in one or more of his other beliefs.

What is one of his other beliefs you have defended?
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:49 pm

Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:45 am wrote:
82_28 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:18 pm wrote:Did I say they were "real" to me? No. I said, in essence, that both exist simultaneously. One as a provable and the other as a provable phenomena -- the belief -- what we witness. We do know the phenomena exists do we not? Thus it exists for all intense and porpoises. Just like I did not write "intents and purposes". They both exist upon your screen at this moment. One is wrong and one is right -- both exist. I personally believe they are both right because the phenomena exists in and of itself. And yet, both are also wrong. . .


Do you believe a human-alien hybrid exists, or has ever existed, in a tangible, walking and talking form?


Yes. But it's not up to you to decide what I mean as "yes". "EVER EXISTED" is a lot different than have they existed in the past and or will THEY EXIST in the future. You got a non starter, man. Just telling you.

As far as I know and according to your rubric, you fit the bill for a reptilian alien-human hybrid. I welcome you to prove otherwise. See what I (we) are getting at here yet?
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:51 pm

Gotta sign off. And no, i will not be meeting or conversing with the Illuminati, The Bilderbergs, the IMF, the Federal Reserve or any other nefarious NWO organizations or members since it upset a few people the last time i did.

(It's a joke DAMN IT!)

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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby barracuda » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:55 pm

Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:29 am wrote: It's similar to the "they" we hear about. "They" assassinated him. Who is "they"? "They" represents the instinct we developed over thousands of years from Darwin Award winners. "Fear of the unknown," "Prepare for the worst, expect the best." It's a survival mechanism. It must deceive us to protect us.


Have to disagree there. We sort of do actually know who "they" are in many, many cases. And simply because you only see tracks in the mud doesn't mean there's no animal at the end of them. The use of the indefinite pronoun is a convenient (and somewhat lazy) shorthand for persons whose definite identities may not be altogether firmly established, or for reference to consortiums of persons for whom not all identities are definitively available.

I agree it is overused and abused, though. But not so much here. We tend to try and name names when possible. And when we cannot, to grudgingly admit degrees of equivocation. It's almost part of the site motto:

What you don't know can't hurt "them".

The word "know" signifying possession of definitive information, and the indefinite pronoun referring in a general sense to those who would exploit your lack of information to oppress or deceive you with harmful intent.

Do such persons not in fact exist in your philosophy? If they do, do you know all of their names?
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:57 pm

Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:41 am wrote:
I feel like Galileo showing the church his brand new telescope.


Yes, your humility is the most endearing thing about you.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:00 pm

Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:51 am wrote:Gotta sign off. And no, i will not be meeting or conversing with the Illuminati, The Bilderbergs, the IMF, the Federal Reserve or any other nefarious NWO organizations or members since it upset a few people the last time i did.

(It's a joke DAMN IT!)

:jumping:


Maybe you should and report back your findings, since you obviously can when you will it.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby barracuda » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:02 pm

I believe human-alien hybrids exist in a tangible, walking and talking form.

NOW WHAT?
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby General Patton » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:04 pm

Forums are mainly tools for sensemaking, and outdated ones at that (the format hasn't changed much since the late 90's):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensemaking
People favour plausibility over accuracy in accounts of events and contexts (Currie & Brown, 2003; Brown, 2005; Abolafia, 2010): "in an equivocal, postmodern world, infused with the politics of interpretation and conflicting interests and inhabited by people with multiple shifting identities, an obsession with accuracy seems fruitless, and not of much practical help, either" (Weick 1995: 61).


Anyway, paranoid people tend to also be alienated from society, have a distinct inability to trust others around them and are hyper-sensitive to any facts that fit their given narrative. The deeper they go into it the more energy and time they have invested in it, it's a vicious positive feedback loop. It's hard to "rehabilitate" or even casually discuss things with someone who thinks he is smarter and knows more than you. Your life is then defined by the things that you know, but no one else does.

Knowing things with certainty can be quite difficult and much of conspiracy literature exists as 2nd or 3rd hand accounts and it's not like we can interview aliens to ask them their opinion of UFO abductions. For the most part the history of conspiracy theory is made up of people using the wrong tools and frame to solve problems. Activists or tinfoilers sometimes exaggerate the numbers or behaviors to get attention to their cause (and/or themselves), with little recognition of the fact that awareness alone won't change issues that are fundamentally about corrupt and criminal behavior of those who are in positions of power that allow them to conceal their misdeeds. I don't think the vague "they" is the problem. The media has refined escape-goating to the point that there is always an other that can be summoned, be it the FBI, CIA, feminism, the Illuminati, the Catholic church or liberals. Much of modern politics revolves around the fact that we don't really like a particularly candidate, we just hate the other one enough that we'll settle for the oppositions side. Western culture is becoming defined by what it hates and wants to fight in lieu of an actual identity and coherent purpose.

There's a few good academic treatments for instance of the structure of communication networks involved in conspiracies,


http://eprints.qut.edu.au/50297/1/c50297.pdf
demonstrate how understanding
social networks is an essential part of comprehending how organized criminals succeed. The data
for the current study was taken from the transcripts of the Fitzgerald Commission of Inquiry
which uncovered the extensive and resilient corruption network operated by Herbert. Herbert’s
relationships have been plotted to establish the nature of his operations. The findings indicate that
communication of trust both allows for success and sets the boundaries of a network. Most
importantly, this case study identifies Herbert’s reliance on holding a monopoly as the
cornerstone of his network power and position. This article adds to the literature on criminal
career paths by moving away from a classic organized criminal grouping into the area of police
corruption, and uncovers the distinctive opportunities that this position offers the career criminal.


https://student-3k.tepper.cmu.edu/gsiad ... 12-E39.pdf
In contrast to non-corrupt projects, corrupt networks have lower connectivity, fewer reciprocal relations, and communicate less frequently. These different patterns also hold for between- and within-subject studies. For individuals, corrupt communications, as compared to non-corrupt communications, are less frequent, less likely to be reciprocated, and have reduced transitivity, meaning that message recipients are not as likely to share a communication link. This study highlights the role of content in understanding the emergent properties of communication networks.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:06 pm

^^Damn, that would be a good capstone post, too.

Well said & good brain food.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:07 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:57 am wrote:
Mason I Bilderberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:41 am wrote:
I feel like Galileo showing the church his brand new telescope.


Yes, your humility is the most endearing thing about you.


It's funny how insulting that came off to me too. I wrote tomes of speculations about Galileo back in the younger years and just to see that was like stubbing my toe into the new fundamentalism of technocracy.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby norton ash » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:07 pm

barracuda » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:02 pm wrote:I believe human-alien hybrids exist in a tangible, walking and talking form.

NOW WHAT?


The fish has spoken. It's time to cut our balls off, put on our track suits, eat the phenobarbitol and wait for the flying saucer.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby barracuda » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:09 pm

Gotta sign off for a little while, I'm feeling a medium-level need to masturbate.

IT'S JUST A JOKE, DAMMIT.

No, really, gotta sign off.
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