David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[brainpanhandler]

Who is "they"?

Around here we mock ourselves for use of the impersonal they/them. But "they" do exist. And have been identified on numerous occasions throughout the historical record. Just because we're paranoid doesn't mean "they" are not out to get us.

Exhibit 1



Do you suppose those folks colluded with anyone in the Irish government? Nah. Prolly not. Just white collar banksters. "they" in the government probably had nothing to do with it.

"They" represents the instinct we developed over thousands of years from Darwin Award winners. "Fear of the unknown," "Prepare for the worst, expect the best." It's a survival mechanism.

Government conspiracy against the citizenry is more like a pride of lions clearly stalking us, not some rustling in the weeds. It's not unknown. It's known.

How many times did you hear "they" are spying on all our emails, texts, phone calls? Guess what. "they" were and are.

[82_28]

Gotta sign off for a little while, I'm feeling a medium-level need to masturbate.

IT'S JUST A JOKE, DAMMIT.

No, really, gotta sign off.

HAHAHAHA! Me too. I have a day job.

Signing off. Hope you all don't miss me too much.

Signing off.

I'll be back, rest assured. But signing off.

THX.

See you soon.

Signing off.

[American Dream]

I agree it is overused and abused, though. But not so much here. We tend to try and name names when possible. And when we cannot, to grudgingly admit degrees of equivocation. It's almost part of the site motto:

What you don't know can't hurt "them".

Makes me think that it does matter a lot if "they" actually are our (putative) reptilian overlords as Icke describes "them", superhuman shapeshifting monsters not of this Earth, with their moon matrix, their red dresses, and all the rest.

If, on the other hand, "they" are human beings, caught up in the same social systems we live in here on Terra, not superhuman at all but conventionally powerful, yes, this would seem to make a big difference.

So the question of Icke's story does seem to matter if conspiracy investigators are indeed going to continue playing an important- and unique- role in helping to make our world better, or even just to survive...

[slimmouse]

So the question of Icke's story does seem to matter if conspiracy investigators are indeed going to continue playing an important- and unique- role in helping to make things betterr...

AD, thats a judgement call. And a bad one IMO.

Perhaps I should add, that I can't help but wonder how many of modern conspiracy researchers were somehow subconsciously spawned from the paracultural thinking of the likes of Icke?

Or maybe it was courtesy of the free thinking Randi Guys. I dont know

What do you think?

[American Dream]

So the question of Icke's story does seem to matter if conspiracy investigators are indeed going to continue playing an important- and unique- role in helping to make things betterr...

AD, thats a judgement call. And a bad one IMO.

Not much of a judgement call, I'd say. After all we're here at 43 pages in large part because nobody here wants to claim identification with the "reality" of alien-human hybrids who run the Earth, much less a "moon matrix", "red dresses" and all the rest of the Icke Mythos...

[slimmouse]

Not much of a judgement call, I'd say. We're here at 40 pages because nobody here wants to claim identification with the "reality" of alien-human hybrids who run the Earth, much less a "moon matrix", "red dresses" and all the rest of the Icke Mythos...

AD, Im currently reviewing applications for the Organisation of Anti-Ickeism. I would like you to be president.

Our organisation may sound like a cult, but trust me it isnt.

[Elvis]

While the Bavarian Illuminati was a real secret society, . . .

"Secret society" is not inherently a bad thing. Many people and societies, clubs, organization and religions HAD to remain secret in years past for fear of reprisal from those in authority. Even Christianity was a "secret" society for 300 years until Roman Emperor Constantine the Great declared Christianity the dominant religion. Until then, Christians were persecuted and HAD to keep their religion secret.

Being secret wasn't a bad thing, it was usually necessary to avoid death.

I can see you've put some thought into this. But what does your reply have to do with conflating "the Illuminati" with the Bilderberg group?

I didn't think it was necessary to recite the history of the Bavarian Illuminati, or the explain the secret nature of secret societies, since I assumed that you (and just about everyone else reading this) already knew about them. Thinking we didn't know is one of the broad assumptions you dragged with you when you came two-stepping into this forum to goad the members.

I mentioned the Bavarian Illuminati (and you knew this, too, right?) only to distinguish the historical Illuminati from the insidiously vague term used today. The real point (as you know) is that using weasel words is dishonest; unless -- a definite possibility -- you don't actually know much about the Bilderberg group, in which case the irrational comparison owes merely to ignorance.

I didn't actually expect you to reply, so it's no surprise that you addressed a minor qualification and danced past the real issue.


P.S. You've got a nibble, but careful, that fish is gonna fight and may capsize your boat.

[General Patton]

Any discussion about Icke's ideas or account of events must revolve around Icke's personality. Icke is the centerpiece. And the force of Icke's craziness can turn subjects that existed before him into solely a focus on Icke.

That's because he's a bullshitter. If you're asking whether or not Icke is lying about reptiles you're missing the point. He is not concerned about truth but about image and manufacturing the context of statements. That's why we have had a thread that exploded with almost 50 pages of what I'm assuming is mostly content about Icke and reflections on Icke's take on Icke's ideas on Icke's worldview of overselves and our reactions to Icke concerning Icke's accounts of Icke's experiences. Just psychoanalyze the asshole and get it over with.

http://therawness.com/raw-concepts-bullshitting-lying/
Bullshit is more concerned with whether or not the statement is believable rather than whether it’s true. Bullshit is more concerned with the appearance of a statement, and what impressions it gives to the listener about the speaker, rather than the content and veracity of the statement. Therefore, bullshit is more concerned with identity, appearances, impression management, context, and image. A lie on the other hand is more concerned with actions, content, and substance. A liar is trying to mislead you about the truth-value of their statements. A bullshitter on the other hand is not trying to deliberately mislead you about the truth-value of their statement, because they themselves often don’t really know how true or false their own statements are. Instead, they are trying to mislead you about how knowledgeable they are on a particular topic.

For example, let’s say I am at a party at a mansion and there’s a fancy-looking vase on display. There is a beautiful girl standing next to me who I want to impress with my worldliness, and she asks me if I know what type of vase that is. I want to make a good impression on her, so I tell her the vase is probably a 15th century Ming, but in truth I know little about vases and am just saying whatever comes to mind that sounds plausible. I have no idea whether the vase is really a Ming or not, nor do I care much. What I really care about is presenting an image of myself a worldly person. This is bullshitting.

Let me clarify what I mean when I say a bullshitter doesn’t care about the truth. A bullshitter may care about the truth to a small degree, to the extent that the truth will enhance or ruin his image or expose his fraudulent identity. So if his statement ends up being fraudulent, the bullshitter is concerned about that not coming to light and ruining the phony image of himself as an expert he is trying to sell the listener on. And if his statement ends up being true, he views that as a bonus in helping him sell that phony expert image, so he wouldn’t mind that truth come to light. So he is to an extent concerned about the truth, but it’s always secondary to his image and identity, which are his primary concerns.

Telling a lie is an act with a sharp focus. It is designed to insert a particular falsehood at a specific point in a set or system of beliefs, in order to avoid the consequences of having that point occupied by the truth. This requires a degree of craftsmanship, in which the teller of the lie submits to objective constraints imposed by what he takes to be the truth. The liar is inescapably concerned with truth-values. In order to invent a lie at all, he must think he knows what is true. And in order to invent an effective lie, he must design his falsehood under the guidance of that truth.

On the other hand, a person who undertakes to bullshit his way through has much more freedom. His focus is panoramic rather than particular. He does not limit himself to inserting a certain falsehood at a specific point, and thus he is not constrained by the truths surrounding that point or intersecting it. He is prepared, so far as required, to fake the context as well. This freedom from the constraints to which the liar must submit does not necessarily mean, of course, that his task is easier than the task of the liar. But the mode of creativity upon which it relies is less analytical and less deliberative than that which is mobilized in lying. It is more expansive and independent, with more spacious opportunities for improvisation, color, and imaginative play.

And usually, his purpose is to sell you on himself. The conversation with a bullshitter is rarely about whatever subject matter it seems to be about on the surface. The conversation is really about his perceived identity and giving off the impression that he is of high value, rather than being about the supposed conversational topic.

[slimmouse]

GP. That was brilliant, honestly.

How many of us are liars and how many of us are bullshitters?

There is a very serious difference, which you have so elequently ( in your own way) extracted..

[Searcher08]

So the question of Icke's story does seem to matter if conspiracy investigators are indeed going to continue playing an important- and unique- role in helping to make things betterr...

AD, thats a judgement call. And a bad one IMO.

Not much of a judgement call, I'd say. After all we're here at 43 pages in large part because nobody here wants to claim identification with the "reality" of alien-human hybrids who run the Earth, much less a "moon matrix", "red dresses" and all the rest of the Icke Mythos...

The context for what I'm saying is I see a communication 'infinite loop' ; these things just drain tie and attention and no one gets what they want...


IMHO You are leaving out something:
no one here identifies with any of those elements
but you have do not believe the people who have repeatedly said so
and regard their saying no as further evidence of their denial.

So what is the specific evidence that specific people on R.I. believe in the Icke mythos?

An example of what I'm looking for is
"Jeff Wells is pictured here at an Ickean fan club"
"slimmouse said here 'I SAW one of them myself'
"searcher posted here that he worships Annunaki"
"Slad said so HERE... and HERE"

What I'm NOT looking for is vague, metaphorical
"Its a part of a pattern" "If it walks like a duck..."

Demonstrate the parts. A duck is not a 'hunch', it is tangible, sensory based
Please provide ANY evidence of your assertion.

Because if you CAN provide evidence, there will be a communication breakthough and I will be first in the bloody queue to ask the person why they do believe in it - and frankly the rest of us deserve to see it and acknowledge you for that data.
and
Because if you CANNOT provide evidence, there will be a communication breakthrough, because YOU will have seen that it is a feeling, an intuition which is a obviously a different critter than shared external evidence.

[American Dream]

So what is the specific evidence that specific people on R.I. believe in the Icke mythos?

What I said was "we're here at 43 pages in large part because nobody here wants to claim identification with the "reality" of alien-human hybrids who run the Earth, much less a "moon matrix", "red dresses" and all the rest of the Icke Mythos"

I think it would be great to hear more from specific people which parts of the Icke Mythos they definitively do or don't believe.

You're welcome to get first, if you like.

[brainpanhandler]

Yah, but I don't see what's so hard about saying "I have no proof that alien/human hybrids exist". Why is that so hard to say? No one is obligated to say whether they do or don't. And if they don't say that that very definitely does not mean that they do believe it. But nonetheless, why so much resistance? I mean it takes all the wind out of the sails of your opponents. Is it a refusal on principle? Just plain pigheadedness? I don't get it.

I for one know of no evidence of alien/human hybrids.

I don't find that difficult at all.

I won't find that difficult to reconsider if evidence is forthcoming either.

And either way I don't consider it nearly as important as the FACT that Icke used the PEZ as a template for some of his mythos.

[Searcher08]

So what is the specific evidence that specific people on R.I. believe in the Icke mythos?

What I said was "we're here at 43 pages in large part because nobody here wants to claim identification with the "reality" of alien-human hybrids who run the Earth, much less a "moon matrix", "red dresses" and all the rest of the Icke Mythos"

I think it would be great to hear more from specific people which parts of the Icke Mythos they definitively do or don't believe.

You're welcome to get first, if you like.

There is no evidence that anyone here follows an Ickean mythos.

You have said consistently that there IS

I'm just asking you to please share that evidence.


Although I have not read his book on 9/11 'Alice in Wonderland and the WTC disaster",
I absolutely do NOT believe in the US government story.

[American Dream]

So what is the specific evidence that specific people on R.I. believe in the Icke mythos?

What I said was "we're here at 43 pages in large part because nobody here wants to claim identification with the "reality" of alien-human hybrids who run the Earth, much less a "moon matrix", "red dresses" and all the rest of the Icke Mythos"

I think it would be great to hear more from specific people which parts of the Icke Mythos they definitively do or don't believe.

You're welcome to get first, if you like.

There is no evidence that anyone here follows an Ickean mythos.

You have said consistently that there IS

I'm just asking you to please share that evidence

I think that most won't say specifically what parts- if any- they do or don't believe. That has been a very big problem here on this thread.

If you go first, I'll go second.

[Wombaticus Rex]

AD, I think you're officially Avoiding the Question at this point.