David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[slimmouse]

Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Cut to the fucking chase, please.

Definitely includes that but also all of Icke's "Rothschild Zionism" theory, all of Gilad Atzmon's work, etc.

Well, this certainly appears to be heading in its usually warped way.

It would appear that the implications from all of this are clear. Icke is a raging dangerous racist, along with all of his followers.

In which case AD, if that implication is aimed at me, as one of the "they", then I say in all truth to you, go fuck yourself.

Youre lying about me, which I dont mind as much as the fact that I believe you are lying to yourself.

[American Dream]

Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Cut to the fucking chase, please.

Definitely includes that but also all of Icke's "Rothschild Zionism" theory, all of Gilad Atzmon's work, etc.

Well, this certainly appears to be heading in its usually warped way.

It would appear that the implications from all of this are clear. Icke is a raging dangerous racist, along with all of his followers.

In which case AD, if that implication is aimed at me, as one of the "they", then I say in all truth to you, go fuck yourself.

Youre lying about me, which I dont mind as much as the fact that I believe you are lying to yourself.

Not saying you want to propagate racism but unfortunately you do endorse it, no matter how good your intentions...

[Mason I Bilderberg]

For all it's complexity, Icke's narrative is incredibly simplistic and leads to a haughty smug attitude of having it all figured out without having to deal with the messy details of one's own complicity in perpetuating the system.

I advocate that world is run my opportunists and opportunities. If an opportunity presents itself, an opportunist will gladly fill the void.

I think this goes to what you're saying. If we examine the opportunities our choices present to the opportunists, who is to blame for our circumstance when the opportunist interferes in our lives?

I'm not sure i made my point.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

OK, I endorse David Icke.

Do you endorse Icke's belief human-alien hybrids exist(ed)? If so, what evidence supports your belief?

[slimmouse]

AD, I' d love to continue this discussion, but Im kinda getting impatient here.

That fundrasing Icke quip for example. Is that really what I was doing there?

Meanwhile, Do you think that Icke can have any benefits at all? Or do you believe that all of his readers and viewers are some kind of racist ignoramuses ?

How about my story for example?

Any thoughts on that, and why it might also be very important to other people who feel that consciousness survives death.

And how the concept of a retributional God is complete and utter fucking nonsense in the eyes of people who've escaped from that kind of nonsensical premise.

In other words they now understand that theyve been sold one by organised religion?

And who knows where that might lead our human curiousity. We might for instance eventually come to see this world as something of an efficiently run assylum. And we might not like that, and we might choose to fight against it.

Or is it the dark racist overtones that we should concern ourselves about, when you and I know full well that Icke aint no racist.

[Searcher08]

That said, racism and "anti-Semitism" really do exist and they do have a lot to do with the concerns about David Icke, about Gilad Atzmon and about other fundamental issues that these three defenders seem to completely ignore, minimize and/or actively invalidate. And that is a problem within the context of this board- not the only problem- but a very, very real one...

This is precisely why I have raised your specific behaviour on this thread towards particularly SLAD and also slimmouse with the Mods, something I have never IIRC done on R.I. before.

At least now it is out in the open at long last, despite your previous denials that you viewed SLAD, slim or myself in this way.

[DrEvil]

Just subscribe to the multiverse interpretation of quantum mechanics and be done with it.
Somewhere out there we're ruled by lizardmen in disguise, and somewhere out there you're Batman.

Everybody wins!

[American Dream]

AD, I' d love to continue this discussion, but Im kinda getting impatient here.

That fundrasing Icke quip for example. Is that really what I was doing there?

Meanwhile, Do you think that Icke can have any benefits at all? Or do you believe that all of his readers and viewers are some kind of racist ignoramuses ?

How about my story for example?

Any thoughts on that, and why it might also be very important to other people who feel that consciousness survives death.

And how the concept of a retributional God is complete and utter fucking nonsense in the eyes of people who've escaped from that kind of nonsensical premise.

In other words they now understand that theyve been sold one by organised religion?

And who knows where that might lead our human curiousity. We might for instance eventually come to see this world as something of an efficiently run assylum. And we might not like that, and we might choose to fight against it.

Or is it the dark racist overtones that we should concern ourselves about, when you and I know full well that Icke aint no racist.

Slim-

I don't have the time or energy to give this much attention now- and won't for many hours- but I do think you were fundraising for Icke on the "people's voice" thread, as well as just promoting the project.

Unfortunately, you and Icke both promote racist ideas through that smarmy Rothschild Zionism mess, no matter what your intentions.

And if Icke has had value to you in a spiritual sense, well ok. I think matters of Faith- or not- are fairly personal to the point that they don't affect others adversely.

[American Dream]

That said, racism and "anti-Semitism" really do exist and they do have a lot to do with the concerns about David Icke, about Gilad Atzmon and about other fundamental issues that these three defenders seem to completely ignore, minimize and/or actively invalidate. And that is a problem within the context of this board- not the only problem- but a very, very real one...

This is precisely why I have raised your specific behaviour on this thread towards particularly SLAD and also slimmouse with the Mods, something I have never IIRC done on R.I. before.

At least now it is out in the open at long last, despite your previous denials that you viewed SLAD, slim or myself in this way.

Providing specific quotes is important and you should be willing to undergo the same scrutiny yourself.

[slimmouse]

Providing specific quotes is important and you should be willing to undergo the same scrutiny yourself.

That almost sounded like a quote from the NSA itself AD, in case you hadnt noticed.

[brainpanhandler]

OK, I endorse David Icke.

Do you endorse Icke's belief human-alien hybrids exist(ed)? If so, what evidence supports your belief?

Enough. You can't really be asking in earnest anymore, if you ever were.

Please no one click on the illuminutti link and stop feeding this. Leave MIB to his boring universe.

[slimmouse]

Oh AD, its time this was said too.

Do you believe that Ickes insistence on this being some kind of Rothschild/Zionist plot to be inconcievable, when it has recently been revealed that as much as 80% of the leading party in the UK Govnt are "Friends of Israel".

Im not for one moment suggesting that it is, but its not something I can crasly dismiss as unworthy of consideration.

Would you consider yourself a "friend of Israel" in its current form, because I cant imagine how any truly informed mind could be.

So how do you believe this state of affairs in UK politics has come about?

[Mason I Bilderberg]

For the sake of argument, Mason, let's say I believe in the human/alien hybrid thesis, and that I do so simply as a matter of faith, literally believing the idea as presented by Icke.

What happens next? I mean, what is your response to that position when you actually encounter it in a true believer?

... if you were to accept it as a matter of faith, i guess that eliminates my question of evidence, but i would still wonder how you square this belief with Icke's other theories of secret societies and brotherhoods running the world. Icke contends these secret societies and brotherhoods are, in fact, alien-human hybrids.

Okay, but do you understand that in that case you've been asking the wrong question? I.e.:

do you believe in alien-human hybrids?

Do you believe a human-alien hybrid exists, or has ever existed, in a tangible, walking and talking form?

Etc. You've been asking about belief systems when what you really seem to want is to confront evidence.

It is proper to ask "Do you believe" before asking "Why do you believe." Asking only "what evidence do you believe" would presume you believed in human-alien hybrids. No? Wait a second, did you assume I assumed the people here believed in human-alien hybrids?

Of course i'm looking for evidence. Stop feigning outrage that i deceived you. If i want somebody's opinion on the taste of Pepsi i want to find somebody who has tasted Pepsi.

I haven't been asking the wrong question, i simply didn't say "pretty please with a cherry on top." Instead of saying "if you are an Icke supporter," i should have been saying "if you ever defended Icke." Whodathunk?

And all this time i thought i was just misunderstood.

From what i've read and heard, Icke presents alien-human hybrids as a matter of fact. He even claims to have witnessed shapeshifting.

Yes, and some of his adherents make the same claims. That is evidence, no? Eyewitnesses? Do you consider them to simply be lying, or are they deluded, or what? Make yourself clear, please.

I believe i've been asking for credible evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not credible when dealing with incredible claims. If i'm wondering if my toast is toasted, i am willing to trust the word of an eyewitness staring into my toaster. If somebody claims shapeshifting human-alien hybrids walk the earth and orchestrates world events, the claim is extraordinary and requires extraordinary evidence - certainly something more direct than eye and ear witnesses.

This is going to be anticlimactic:

What evidence convinces you they exist?

Yes, anticlimactic in the extreme. You've spent pages and pages dancing around what you really want to ask. Why is that? Why didn't you simply come out right away looking for evidence rather than playing Joe McCarthy with the board?

Okay. It's my fault a simple inquiry was deflected, avoided, distracted from and parsed for 50 pages. Now that your fine detective work has exposed my deceptive and sinister desire for evidence, prepare for another 50 pages of deflections, avoidance, distractions and parsing of words.

(Hint: Nobody is REQUIRED to participate in this thread. That's why i made my question conditional - "IF you believe, support or have ever defended Icke …")

[Canadian_watcher]

Not saying you want to propagate racism but unfortunately you do endorse it, no matter how good your intentions...

yep, that's what I've known you've meant, AD, from the very first time you flagellated me with comic strips a couple of years ago. And that's why I find this method of yours to be beyond contempt.

You are telling me and other adults that we support racism as none of us are intelligent, thoughtful or mature enough to be able to discern whether or not we are doing so. it`s putrid.

You know what? YOU are the only one supporting any sort of "ism" here. You are dividing people into a class of your own creation using your own definition and treating us all as second class humans.

fucking shame on you you self-righteous hypocrite.

[American Dream]

Oh AD, its time this was said too.

Do you believe that Ickes insistence on this being some kind of Rothschild/Zionist plot to be inconcievable, when it has recently been revealed that as much as 80% of the leading party in the UK Govnt are "Friends of Israel".

Im not for one moment suggesting that it is, but its not something I can crasly dismiss as unworthy of consideration.

Would you consider yourself a "friend of Israel" in its current form, because I cant imagine how any truly informed mind could be.

So how do you believe this state of affairs in UK politics has come about?

Oh, I certainly believe that the zionist lobbies are powerful indeed and that Mossad is up to its eyeballs in intrigue but Rothschild Zionism ala Icke is way over the top.

This is a deep topic that well deserves a thread of its own.