David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[Mason I Bilderberg]

Majority is reality.

That's about the dumbest thing I've heard all day.

Exactly.

[82_28]

Yes, Mr. Bilderberg, WE DO IN FACT BELIEVE IN LIZARD PEOPLE. This is RIGOROUS INTUITION WE BELIEVE IN LIZARD PEOPLE.

Do the words RIGOROUS and INTUITION mean absolutely nothing to you? Read between the lines a bit. Or just go with what is presented. You've been pilloried so many times I can't even keep up. Go comment on another thread just to see if you even give a fuck about this place.

[Searcher08]

AD, Icke is the least of your worries. What draws me to this thread repeatedly is that I don't get what the fucking point of it is. Most of us, most of the global populace wouldn't even know were it not for his "detractors" and "skeptics". Anti-Icke people need to think "outside the box". The dude wouldn't even exist were it not for your tireless work in shining the light on shit nobody believes just upon contact with it.

that's totally true. I only ever saw mention of icke along sidebars in other sites and it was always something like the articles I've seen AD post - bashing the shit out of him. And for a long time I hesitated to look closely at what Icke had to say, thinking that surely ALL these people couldn't be wrong and the man was indeed a fucking mental case Jew hater.

But then I did. Because there was so much hate that I had to see what the fuss was about. I was stunned to find what I did find when I finally gave Icke a chance.

it's kinda making me really curious about Ernst Zundel, too, to be honest. I've never read a word the man has said but now I want to.

Icke is, more than anything, the canary in the coal mine. He shows us that something is very toxic indeed within conspiracy culture.

Cw, I'm sorry to say that what I hear as your position that Rothschild Zionism theory is not racist and that the teaching of the Nazi Holocaust is the real danger shows how pernicious and compelling some of those problems actually are...

A canary in a coal mine is there to die if there is something toxic (eg methane) around - I'm not parsing what you are saying - how that relates to Icke.

Paraculture (not just Icke) by it's very definition contains fringe material of varying degrees of likelihood from the idea of financial conspiracy over LIBOR rates (extremely likely) to The Universe is actualy being carried on the back of a giant turtle...

Personally I love it.

I love reading about The Flat Earth Society andThe Hollow Earth Society and the Battle of The Antartic where Admiral Byrd fought Nazi UFOs from under the ice sheets.

Saying again that it is toxic ( and I may be using this in a different way than you intend) means it is capable of destroying large parts of a functioning system.

I'm not sure I have seen anything from within paraculture (so far at least) achieve that.
A question asked about Bilderberg in the UK Parliament to.. the Head of Bilderberg?

[Canadian_watcher]

Yeah, CW. That's very true. I wouldn't even know of this scrub were it not for the "skeptics". I would have never noticed because it's all immaterial. But, I find the phenomenon fascinating in much the same way I find religious fundamentalism and giving your all to either prove to people you're right or disprove to people other people are wrong. Fuck you all. Treat people kindly, pray when they pray and be done with it. Show respect.

It's like that scene in The Temple of Doom when they're chilling with the Potempkin cast and Indy says to Willie "Eat it, you're offending them." I tried to find a clip of that scene, but couldn't find one.

Life is difficult, but it's also meant to be lived.

ha, I completely hear you.
interestingly that whole "eat it" thing is something close to my heart. When I come across fussy people who crinkle their noses up at food right in front of the person who is eating or serving it I think "you immature brat!!!" There are things I'd rather not eat, too (not many NOW, because I make it a point to try everything) but I'd NEVER, unless I would literally throw up, insult an offer of food.

[Canadian_watcher]

oh darn it, there's more.

But Icke's belief system is patently simple. (It's all the lizard's fault!) It's just extremely attractive (guilt free scapegoating evil nonhuman minority) ....

Hold up!
I distinctly remember from the OP video (and just went and checked) - one of the MAIN methods of Madman Icke is that he induces guilt. I believe the exact graphic from the video is:

There is belief (lizard people run the world) and there is methods of teaching the belief.

word, I copped to that in the part you edited out.
however, it's funny that you are 'teaching' the crowd not to believe using the same methods.

[Canadian_watcher]

slimmouse - I loved your last post, thank you!

[American Dream]

well that's bogus because they can teach about the Second World War Holocaust without traumatizing little kids. And you know it.
They don't bother to traumatize little kids about the Native populations that were decimated, for one example and yet they teach about the colonization of America.

They also don't teach children about Palestine. At all.

Traumatizing kids and not teaching specific incidents of colonialism are wrong of course but these are other issues.

I stand by my previous statement that "your position that Rothschild Zionism theory is not racist and that the teaching of the Nazi Holocaust is the real danger shows how pernicious and compelling some of those problems actually are...

[Mason I Bilderberg]

We do not accept alien-human hybrids at RIGOROUS INTUITION anyhow.

I'm not sure why you are missing the point of my question. It's not just about whether somebody believes the alien-human hybrids theory.

It's about whether somebody believes, defends or supports Icke AND whether they believe the alien-human hybrids theory. Of primary importance is to first find somebody who believes, defends or supports Icke. An answer to the alien-human hybrid question is meaningless to me if it doesn't come from somebody who believes, defends or supports Icke.

It's sort of like saying, if you believe in Santa Claus, how do you think Santa gets down the chimney? I can't find what i'm looking for if i just ask people if Santa can get down a chimney. The chimney answer is meaningless to me if the chimney answer doesn't come from a santa believer.

That's why i have repeatedly framed the question conditionally:

If ... and only IF ... IF ... you (or somebody here) believes, defends or supports Icke in some way, do you believe alien-human hybrids exist(ed)?

If you DO NOT believe, defend or support Icke in some way i'm not requesting anything of you. No need to get pissed at me.

[Searcher08]

well that's bogus because they can teach about the Second World War Holocaust without traumatizing little kids. And you know it.
They don't bother to traumatize little kids about the Native populations that were decimated, for one example and yet they teach about the colonization of America.

They also don't teach children about Palestine. At all.

Traumatizing kids and not teaching specific incidents of colonialism are wrong of course but these are other issues.

I stand by my previous statement that "your position that Rothschild Zionism theory is not racist and that the teaching of the Nazi Holocaust is the real danger shows how pernicious and compelling some of those problems actually are...

So what are your thoughts on the Rothschilds?
Subject for serious investigation? or a Flat Earth theory? An example of racism?

Some or all or none of the above?

[Canadian_watcher]

well that's bogus because they can teach about the Second World War Holocaust without traumatizing little kids. And you know it.
They don't bother to traumatize little kids about the Native populations that were decimated, for one example and yet they teach about the colonization of America.

They also don't teach children about Palestine. At all.

Traumatizing kids and not teaching specific incidents of colonialism are wrong of course but these are other issues.

I stand by my previous statement that "your position that Rothschild Zionism theory is not racist and that the teaching of the Nazi Holocaust is the real danger shows how pernicious and compelling some of those problems actually are...

So what are your thoughts on the Rothschilds?
Subject for serious investigation? or a Flat Earth theory? An example of racism?

Some or all or none of the above?

Yes, I'd like that answer, too.
What are AD's thoughts about the Rothschilds and the sort of envelope that encompasses the larger agenda?

(Icke has been quoted in this thread as saying that when he says Rothschilds he doesn't ONLY mean people with that last name, nor does he mean ALL of the people with it)

[American Dream]

well that's bogus because they can teach about the Second World War Holocaust without traumatizing little kids. And you know it.
They don't bother to traumatize little kids about the Native populations that were decimated, for one example and yet they teach about the colonization of America.

They also don't teach children about Palestine. At all.

Traumatizing kids and not teaching specific incidents of colonialism are wrong of course but these are other issues.

I stand by my previous statement that "your position that Rothschild Zionism theory is not racist and that the teaching of the Nazi Holocaust is the real danger shows how pernicious and compelling some of those problems actually are...

So what are your thoughts on the Rothschilds?
Subject for serious investigation? or a Flat Earth theory? An example of racism?

Some or all or none of the above?

I'm not really up for a discussion with you till the unfinished business between us is resolved.

I'll simply say that Rothschild family members certainly have held a place in the ruling class- and some certainly still do. A deep politics map of the world should include them.

That said, David Icke's Rothschild Zionism theory is deeply racist, misguided and unhelpful, for reasons already laid out and more that will be to come.

You can pm me if you want but that's it for me with dialogue with you here.

[82_28]

Many of us have already voted in confidence that there are Alien Human Hybrids amidst us. Do any of us believe that? Probably not. For your benefit, however, we do. Try not to be such a dick and be more a member. We aren't a Petri dish for some cat named Mason I Bilderberg. Either join or bust a move.

For example, I have told you that 82_28 believes that:

A: Alien Human Hybrids exist

and

B: Of course they do not exist

I don't see what your issue is. It's mapped out above. Both A and B are true.

[barracuda]

Why, on November 11th every single year, are school children as young as 7 years old forced to watch films of Hitler's heinous acts. Why must they see footage of emaciated bodies lined up at fences and being herded onto trains and then, in the final horror, see their corpses being piled into ditches?

Is it because this was an act so egregious that no other leader anywhere, ever, has created that type of hell on earth? Is it because that war ended the practice of racial/ethnic/religious discrimination once and for all? Is it because the West used inordinate force in that war and we feel we still need to justify it?

No. None of those are true.

So why? Why?

We were shown Night and Fog at elementary school back in the mid-1960's. Parents had to sign a consent form for students to attend, but most of them did. And as I recall, it was only fifth and sixth graders who were present in the auditorium.

Do they show something different now?

I recall several things about watching the film then: the austerity of the film itself, the subdued French narration and subtitles, and most importantly, that it was my first recollection of hating war, any war. I think that film was the first step on my journey toward being virulently anti-war. I don't recall particularly pointing my feelings of sympathy toward the wider Jewish people in particular, though. Their suffering in the film was, for me, an example of the suffering of all who are destroyed by war.

Looking back on it, it strikes me as a remarkably courageous and interesting thing to bring in front of a group of children, if only in that it is an entree to the films of Alain Resnais. I don't recall anyone being terribly traumatized, though it does have those brutally frank moments of showing the body disposal. I'm very glad I saw it, though. If anything, it is very strong anti-war propaganda. Can't really fault that too much.

[Canadian_watcher]

well, i believe you are being remiss in not applying your normally deep and scathing critique to the showing of films of piles of emaciated dead bodies being heaped into ditches -- and the showing of this to impressionable children with no perspective and zero ability to process or ask questions about it.

And there were no parental consent forms ever sent home about this matter, to my knowledge, in Canada.

Remember when that teacher showed the video that purportedly shows Luca Magnotta engaged in necrophilia and dismemberment to his students? (you might not, it was a Canadian outrage)... well, that teacher got fired. BTW, this was done in a high school.

What's the difference?

[ShinShinKid]

I taught my students about many of the bad things mentioned. Honestly, you cannot cover all of history in such a way. It does burn children out (grown ups too -- watch out!). They like to, and need to hear about some of the positive things in history, because they do exist. I had more than one student express frustration and anger at their own country for some of the things done in the not so distant past against their own people. I try to temper those feelings, getting them to understand that history is just a long series of intersecting biographies; individual choices matter, they matter, we all do...to history.

As for Icke, well, he's not really for me. I figured he saw "They Live", and miscontrued the metaphor. He figured out a way to make money in the conspiracy biz...tough to do; I;ll give him credit as one heckuva mercantilist savante.

Now, alien hybids, I thought that was a non-starter? We've already geometrically proven that we're at least part "not of this world". Why? The still as yet unexplained genomes that were, in the words of genetic scientists, "horizontally inserted" into the early hominids that gave us our "humaneness". There are cultural answers as well. You could reference various ancient histories, and current indigenous ones to get the answers you seek. The answers abound here. Man in Black has been asked numerous times to look up past threads...amazing what you learn just hangin' around.

*Also, every one of my students learned about Johnny Cash (among other musical greats), the orignal Man in Black.