Sorry Searcher, but I do regard you as a bit of a hypocrite.
If you really had any concerns about David Icke's activity with Cathy O'Brien, Arizona Wilder, and Cisco Wheeler, I think you would have said more about it by now.
My simple statement would be I would rather be working with you on producing an activist engagement map than this witchfinder bollocks...
I posted about Cathy O'Brien and Arizona Wilder in this thread and posted my take on Arizona Wilder in my previous post. Do a search on them.
I pointed out your headline on Arizona Wilder and you didnt respond to that.
And it cuts both ways-
You havent said what 'it' is?
I think you would have also said much more about the infiltration of sketchy claims into the Icke oeuvre coming from such very questionable sources- including also Fritz Springmeier and Mark Phillips- and of course there are many, many more.
What you are now doing is presenting a RETROACTIVE evidence criteria, which was not made transparent at the outset. This is a variation of
Friend A What do you want for your birthday?"
Friend B "Thats entirely up to you ..."
Friend A... Buys guitar
Friend B "If you had cared you would have bought me a flute!!!!"
You could have said "Here is an example of the response I am looking for in detail and content"
On page ONE. If you dont have a clear outcome of what you want from a communication from me THAT YOU COMMUNICATE TO ME, how am I expected to fulfill it? This is called 'Mind reading' in NLP.
You are also leaving out that I wrote a very detailed overview on one area I DID more than diddly squat about, I wrote about The Rothschilds.
Whatever sense of power you feel from having passed the Landmark Educational Forum (EST), some NLP classes, and other activities of that nature, is I think, overinflated. Your manipulations are very obvious- your use of "Do you still beat your wife?" type double binds, the clumsy attempts at reframing and putting false words in people's mouths- these can only work on those who are least paying attention, are psychologically vulnerable and/or are trusting you more than they should.
This is an expression of your context of me as a 'defender of Icke' = NeoNazi racist etc
How, specifically, when someone types "How wonderful is this?" as a headline this is putting words in their mouth I'm not sure.
Saying 'my attempts at reframing are clumsy' without saying WHAT things I said are clumsy HOW?
and 'putting false words in people's mouths' without saying which words I said were false and which people turns what could have been a possibility opportunity for clarification into mere distration and insult.
The Infinite Loop could have been exited if you showed empathy - you didnt.
With the exception of my outburst against MiB, which I was rightly called on, the feedback I have received is really positive. The feedback you have received is that it can feel like being driven crazy.
You also assert that I do not show sensitivity to those without a voice - I reject this the way I reject people being shouted down - shouting down and silencing a person speaking in good faith is one step on the road that ends in persecution.
Whatever sense of power you feel from having passed the Landmark Educational Forum (EST), some NLP classes, and other activities of that nature, is I think, overinflated.
This implies I am *actually* powerless and only get a *pseudo* power from having done activities, ones which I should add you have disapprove of! Saying 'some' NLP implies a lack of competance based on what? I suggest you have no idea how much NLP I have done.
I tried my best to act as a catalyst, you have acted in this thread like a witchfinder.
I extended my trust to you once again, even after you pulled all these sorts of tricks so many times before. That trust from me was a precious gift to you, and you abused it. It is now withdrawn.
You very specifically did NOT extend your empathy to me in this thread - nor SLAD, CW, or Slim -
you didnt ask how you were coming across, or we felt about HOW you were communicating.
Here is the key -
AD "SLAD, how has my communication landed with you this thread?"
SLAD (After eruption) .. "AD, When you said X,Y,Z I felt A,B, C etc etc"
That never happened.
You cant withdraw what wasnt extended in the first place (that sounded funny
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I'm putting you on "ignore" now. Hopefully that will be good for me, good for this board and possibly even good for you. I want us to be deal much more with substantive issues here. The world is in crisis and I'm sure there's more we can do that will actually help.
I felt kinda sad when reading that -
sometimes people engaging in Infinite Loops would rather break a relationship that shines light on it than face exiting it, because the loop may have another positive purpose for them. Or have an attachment to Yes / No that precludes any entertainment of additional alternatives.
