Trayvon Martin

[American Dream]

Good questions 8bit and we dont have the answer for them, hence my continued reminder that there was simply not any evidence to support the charge, this does not mean he didnt do it, this do not mean I support the murder and GZ's actions, this does not mean any fucking thing other than the standard of proof, beyond reasonable doubt could not possibly be met with the the small amount of evidence that state had. I think there are people out, actual legal experts who believe the state even threw the care, just went through the motions of a trial because they knew from day one there was not enough evidence to convict GZ and again THIS DOES NOT MEAN I AM ENDORSING WHAT HE DID or saying he didnt do what we all know he did, I am simply saying the evidence is not there and you just cant put people in prison, no matter how much you hate them or how guilty you know they are, unless there is enough evidence for a jurt to legally convict them, and in this case, sadly there was not.

Sometime- and granted now is probably not the right moment- it might be good to unpack some more what that verdict does actually mean in the big picture, beyond the narrow logic of whether the jurors as individuals made the correct choice, given the marching orders the court presented them with, the evidence proffered etc.

Because, while the individual jurors undoubtedly did have biases, this goes so far beyond the personal that the personal- as well as the narrow legal- just basically serves to obscure the bigger points.

People are marching in the streets because of their complaints about injustice- systematic, pervasive and longstanding injustice.

Are their concerns valid?

It is my contention that there is a huge amount of validity to their concerns. This is the most important point- and it should not be obscured.



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[seemslikeadream]

This thread is about a 17 year old boy who was murdered and the guy who got away with it

Trayvon Martin's Parents 'Devastated' by Not Guilty Verdict

Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, the parents of Trayvon Martin appear on 'Good Morning America,' July 18, 2013. (ABC News)

By KATIE KINDELAN
July 18, 2013
The parents of Trayvon Martin felt "shock" and "disgust" when a Florida jury ruled Saturday night that George Zimmerman, 29, was found not guilty in the shooting death of their son.

"I really didn't believe that he was not guilty," Sybrina Fulton said today on "Good Morning America." "My first thought was shock, disgust."

Zimmerman had been accused of second-degree murder for shooting Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, Feb. 26, 2012, in Sanford, Fla. He said from the beginning that he had shot Martin in self-defense, but many questioned his account of the incident.

"I think people are forgetting that Trayvon was a teenager so he probably thought as a teenager," Fulton said. "I really do believe he was afraid because he did call George Zimmerman creepy. So he was afraid and if you are 17 years old and you are afraid, you may not know what to do."

The verdict from the all-female jury of six was met with a wave of public outcry, including protest marches across the country.

"As parents understanding how they reached the verdict, I'll never grasp that concept," said Martin's father, Tracy Martin. "Just as loving parents and God-fearing people, we just continue to pray that whatever was in their heart was what they intended to do. But we didn't feel it was fair and, of course, it was devastating."

The outcry intensified two days after the verdict when a literary agency announced it was working with one of the jurors, identified only as juror B-37, on a book about her experiences on the jury. The plans for the book were scrapped later that day.


Furious Reaction to Juror Who Spoke About George Zimmerman Trial Watch Video

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Zimmerman Juror B37 Drops Plan to Write Book

Martin's parents said today on "GMA" that they wish the members of the jury had gotten a chance to know more about their son during the trial.

"I wish they really knew Trayvon for who he was and knew that he was a kid," Martin said. "They didn't know him as a human being, a very decent human being, a fun-loving kid. He loved kids.

"I just wish they had an opportunity to really know who Trayvon was and to put that in context with what their decision was."

Zimmerman has gone into hiding since the verdict, but in an interview this week with ABC News, his parents, Gladys and Robert Zimmerman Sr., said that if they had the chance, they would tell Trayvon Martin's parents they are truly sorry about what happened the night their son fatally shot the 17 year old.

When asked whether he was comforted by the Zimmermans' apology, Martin called it a "hard and fair question."

"There's no winner in this situation," Martin said. "Obviously, we are devastated more."

"I just think that all the circumstances surrounding books being written and the mischaracterization of us as parents, I just really don't feel that it's real sincere," he said. "But we continue to pray that we'll find peace and strength to be forgiving parents."

Martin and Fulton have started a foundation named after their son and say they hope his death and the trial can serve as a catalyst to bring the country together.

Learn more about the Trayvon Martin Foundation

"I think moving forward we need to educate ourselves as a community on the gun laws, on the laws, on the statutes," Martin said. "We need to come together more as a whole, not individual people, not individual races, religions. We need to come together as God's people.

"We need to start learning each other, understanding each other. You can't just judge a book by its cover," he said. "Something is wrong in so many ways to say that someone is suspicious just because you don't know them."

Fulton says the outpouring of support the family has received shows the effect the case has had across the nation.

"It's not just about the Trayvon Martin case," Fulton said. "Now it's about your kids. It's about other kids.

"What do we tell our sons?" she said.

[wintler2]

Does Trayvon Martin Matter Here?
By Chris Graham
http://newmatilda.com/2013/07/18/does-t ... atter-here

Why has the acquittal of George Zimmerman resonated with black Australia? Indigenous people know all about racial profiling, police inaction and failures in the justice system, writes Chris Graham

People are often surprised to learn that Aboriginal Australians take a strong interest in black American politics. Few Australians, for example, are aware of the strong historical links to the Black Panther movement in Aboriginal Australia.

It’s one of the ironies, I suspect, of modern oppression — while the oppressors somehow manage to remain stubbornly ignorant, the oppressed get more educated.

Much of it today occurs through social media, like Twitter and Facebook. And a brief glance in the last week reveals a very strong Aboriginal interest in the case of Trayvon Martin, a young Florida teenager who was shot dead in 2012 while walking home to his father’s house in a small, gated community. ..


..The issue is one that resonates with black Australia, for obvious reasons. Indeed there are so many parallels it’s hard to know where to begin. So maybe where it began for Trayvon Martin — racial profiling.

In Australia, Aboriginal adults are more than 17 times more likely to be arrested than non Aboriginal people. Aboriginal youth are 28 times more likely to be arrested.

Having been arrested, the jailing rates come into play. On that front, in the US, black Americans make up about 13 per cent of the general population, but around 40 per cent of the prison population.

But in Australia, Aboriginal people make up just over three percent of the total population, but comprise about 25 percent of the prison population.

For youth, they comprise more than 50 per cent and in some jurisdictions, such as the Northern Territory, Aboriginal people make up almost 90 per cent of the prison population.

African Americans are regarded internationally as one of the world’s most jailed people. But the fact is, they’re over-jailed at only half the rate of Australian Indigenous people. Western Australia, for example, holds the distinction of having the highest Indigenous jailing rate on earth. Our jailing rate of black males a few years ago was five times greater than the jailing rate for black males in Apartheid South Africa. Today, it is even higher.

And that’s just the statistics. The personal stories, of course, are something else.
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[seemslikeadream]

Justice For Trayvon Martin

[Searcher08]

I remember reading, years ago a comment from Danny Casolaro when he was investigating Promis. He said that one thing that had really surprised him during his investigations was finding that the the Department of Justice was actually being run as a criminal enterprise. It was the most corrupt part of the American government. Part of it's actual purpose was to provide power, influence, cover-up and money-making opportunites for selected insiders. There were very deep ties to the NSA.... in 19 sodding 91!!!

I think there is a sociopathic .01% who just see things in terms of money and power making opportunities for themselves. You know, privatise everything and then game it.
So when they send out instructions to privatise the prison system, it's probably not so personal, just 'business'.
That resulting feeding trough (which is systemically very similar to slavery) then becomes an entire eco-system - one full of paradox. The Government will fund organisations to 'eliminate slavery' which then themselves become part of the slavery ecosystem. 'Make a Law, make a Fortune'...

Perhaps when founded, a pharma company could have been inspired to make something to achieve health for it's customers... years later, it has a survival imperative, a financial reason for being... and it *needs* people to be unhealthy to exist. 'Law' maps to 'Pharma medicated' and 'actual justice' maps to 'actual health'.

Treyvon and George are two beings whose lifepaths crossed in deeply impacting ways
for themselves and their families;

"T+G" is also a bundle of perceptions - these perceptions now provide power, influence, cover-up and money-making opportunites for selected insiders right across the whole .01% oligosociopathic politcal spectrum.

[seemslikeadream]

Child killer George Zimmerman....no regrets.... God's plan Zimmerman

Gets to walk away and smile

fucking piss ass bastard rot in hell every day you spend on this earth

you make me want to puke

[seemslikeadream]

hey I just got away with murder.....Disneyland here I come

[seemslikeadream]

George Zimmerman....I'm a free man and your dead....all God's plan

[American Dream]

http://theslowburningfuse.wordpress.com ... vember-97/



Statement from the Israel Defence Force
regarding the death of a 6 year-old Palestinian boy,
11/97

[seemslikeadream]

Yea I killed that fuckin kid now give me my gun back...my job is not done yet...I have work to do...so many so little time

[seemslikeadream]

This is what I looked like when I killed the fuckin punk


but now I look like I would hurt that fly on the table in front of me....right? Did I get the look right boss? The extra pounds make me look all warm and fuzzy....don't they?

[norton ash]

I regret Hunter leaving, but I want to address what he said. While I understand a police or emergency operator's suggestions or warnings are not "law", they often follow a general common sense ground.
When a woman calls because an armed intruder is breaking into her door with an obvious intent to harm, the operator will say something like "well you do what you feel you have to do". That's code for PROTECT yourself.
When the operator told Zimmerman he shouldnt pursue, that means DONT PURSUE KNUCKLEHEAD!

Very simple.

Also it makes me angry all these right wingers showing pictures of Trayvon smoking weed. Um, what teenage demographic in America doesnt smoke or at least tried marijuana in 2013? C'mon folks.

Eh I am admittedly in shitty mood myself, I am just tired of the personal attacks on here that every thread becomes after about page 5 thread after thread after thread and it is just becoming pointless to waste what little free time I have here, I do appreciate many of you, a lot of cool folks on here.




BTW ITS BEEN WEEK, I read that Canadian Watcher, who happens to be a friend of mine off board since we share a common interest and exhanged emails, was suspended for ONE WEEK and she email me today and said she still cant sign in so before I do depart I owe it to her to at least ask a MOD or JEFF to look in to that because she was suspended on the 9th for ONE WEEK as per JEFFS POST which is the last post in the thread that Brekin started about him or her leaving, so could someone please check and see why CW's ban is lasting more than the one week Jeff said it was for, perhaps there is a glitch in the system, it happens, that will be my parting gift to someone who befriended me and in spite of her unpopularity she was quite nice to me and we shared many great discussions in email.

So CW I hope it works out for you at least this will bring attention to why your ban seems to me more than the week Jeff said it was for, I am sure he would want to know about that so here it is.


Take care folks, I apologize for my histronics but there is so much bad shit and bad blood in the world today that I really dont want to subject myself to more of it on purpose and sadly that is what this forum has become, to me. I am sorry for that, I really am.

His truth goes marching on.

[stevie ray]

ramping up the hate.
glad to do your part, right?
it's all about how much you can hate someone these days.

[seemslikeadream]

That's our Georgie...we are so very proud of him...look how cute and innocent he looks carrying that briefcase...almost looks like a lawyer not a child murderer....doesn't he?

[Hunter]

Good questions 8bit and we dont have the answer for them, hence my continued reminder that there was simply not any evidence to support the charge, this does not mean he didnt do it, this do not mean I support the murder and GZ's actions, this does not mean any fucking thing other than the standard of proof, beyond reasonable doubt could not possibly be met with the the small amount of evidence that state had. I think there are people out, actual legal experts who believe the state even threw the care, just went through the motions of a trial because they knew from day one there was not enough evidence to convict GZ and again THIS DOES NOT MEAN I AM ENDORSING WHAT HE DID or saying he didnt do what we all know he did, I am simply saying the evidence is not there and you just cant put people in prison, no matter how much you hate them or how guilty you know they are, unless there is enough evidence for a jurt to legally convict them, and in this case, sadly there was not.

Sometime- and granted now is probably not the right moment- it might be good to unpack some more what that verdict does actually mean in the big picture, beyond the narrow logic of whether the jurors as individuals made the correct choice, given the marching orders the court presented them with, the evidence proffered etc.

Because, while the individual jurors undoubtedly did have biases, this goes so far beyond the personal that the personal- as well as the narrow legal- just basically serves to obscure the bigger points.

People are marching in the streets because of their complaints about injustice- systematic, pervasive and longstanding injustice.

Are their concerns valid?

It is my contention that there is a huge amount of validity to their concerns. This is the most important point- and it should not be obscured.



.

Are you suggesting that the state is involved in some sort of conspiracy to keep GZ from being convicted and worked in concert with everyone else involved to make sure that there was not enough evidence presented to get a guilty verdict?

I am asking sincerely, I mean I absolutely open to that point. Just come out and say what you think happened here and I will be glad to discuss it but I dont want to dance around the issue, if you think there is some institutional conspiracy involved lay out your argument and lets see if it adds up, you wont hear me making a stink about any of it, I am open to just about anything at this point because from what is saw the state eitehr threw this case and was just going through the motions or they are some of the most incompetent prosecutors I have ever seen because they lost this case from the word go, the case was lost during their opening statements IMO. Why that is I dont know but they never presented anything even remotely close to a case that any jury could have voted for a 2nd degree murder verdict with a straight face. Evidence just wasnt there, why that is I dont know but I sense you have some ideas about that and I would love to hear them.

Otherwise I am not sure I really want to be here much longer, I just dont get a good vibe from this forum much anymore but id love to have a good discussion about why this case turned out the way it did and hear others opinions on that fi w can get past the name calling and personal attacks and just let people express themselves freely and openly without any gate keeping going on.