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Postby stickdog99 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:25 am

Does it seem strange to anyone else that the same organization that sent 5 successful orbiters to the Moon in 5 attempts almost 40 years ago, then had a run of 6 successful manned flights to the Moon in 7 attempts over 30 years ago has never returned to the closest terrestrial body and the site of its greatest triumphs once in the last 33+ years for <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>any</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> extremely high resolution photographic or sample return experiments? Consider that the 5 successful lunar orbiter missions that NASA managed 40 years ago returned data with photographic resolution of less than 1 meter, but the best 1994's Clementine orbiter could supposedly do (AFAICT) was 20 meters per pixel, and 1998's Lunar Prospector didn't even have a visible light camera.<br><br>Before anyone jumps down my throat for being or not being a Moon hoax believer, please be advised that I don't play those games. I don't want to know why some people think the Moon landings were a hoax, nor why others have wasted hundreds of hours of their lives debunking the claims of the Moon hoax proclaimers.<br><br>Instead, what I'm interested in is any unambiguous evidence that exists that confirms that Apollo missions 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 or 17 actually landed men on the moon. Lunar reflectors aren't satisfactory because any non-manned Moon landing or (even perhaps even orbiter) mission could have placed them.<br><br>For example:<br><br>Is there any non-Apollo generated photographic evidence of any of the Apollo mission's lunar rovers or SIVB's that were supposedly left on the Moon?<br><br>Is there a single Apollo lunar return sample that isn't completely contaminated by the unmistakable signatures of live or dead microbes? What is the same/different about the composition of Moon meteorites, Apollo lunar return rock samples and the USSR's Luna lunar return samples?<br><br>Did Apollo astronauts leave any scientific sensors on the Moon that couldn't have been dropped by orbiters or placed by unmanned landers? If so, did we ever learn anything unexpected from these instruments?<br><br>Are there even any decent quality pictures that show Apollo astronauts, the Moon's surface AND the Earth and/or stars in them? How about a picture of an astronaut examining a crater formation up close and personal?<br><br>To me, what makes the Moon hoax stuff interesting is that it proves just how little meat it takes to get both a vocal minority to believe in a vast conspiracy AND an even more vocal chorus to decry this minority as looney. I mean, if NASA astronauts actually went to the Moon 6 times 30 years ago, wouldn't you think that there MUST be some sort of simple and inexpensive experiment that has already been done or that can be done now to unequivocally demonstrate as much? But instead of simply performing this experiment or highlighting the results of any such experiments already performed, we are treated to a "controversy" that consists of a few people claiming the landings were a hoax using a mixture of arguments that run the gamut from legitimate questions to obvious mis&disinformation along with a slick crew of supposed conventional-wisdom-defending hobbyists who typically do nothing more than highlight and debunk the hoaxers' mis&disinformation claims.<br><br>Some legitimate questions about the Apollo flights, IMHO:<br><br>Did the astronauts take any photos of both themselves and the Moon, Earth, Sun and/or stars on their way to or from the Moon? If so, where are these photos?<br><br>Where are astronauts' photos of what the sky looks like from the Moon's surface? How about just one that points up? How about just one that shows another astronaut with a giant sized Earth in the background rising or setting?<br><br>Some Apollo photos, for amusement purposes only:<br><br>Weird flag<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS11-37-5545.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS11-40-5875.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Weird shadows<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS15-85-11514.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Where are the stars?<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS12-46-6749.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Did this thing really successfully land on and take off from the Moon with people inside of it 6 out of 7 times over 30 years ago?<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS17-134-20481.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Is that a string?<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/S72-35611.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Ed Wood, is that you?<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS12-51-7507.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: If you believe we put a man on the Moon ...

Postby tigre63 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:46 am

UGH... I thought it was going to finally be an Andy Kaufman thread.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://andykaufman.jvlnet.com/andy.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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moonhoax thread

Postby darkbeforedawn » Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:15 pm

Here on RI there was fantastic debate on this topic that went on for weeks. I hope someone saved it because now e-z board is telling me the link has been "deleted" any way here is a link to a site discussing this...<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html">www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>I can't say one way or another if it is credible--so don't misunderstand that I am promoting this site. <p></p><i></i>
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moonhoax thread found.

Postby darkbeforedawn » Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:41 pm

Here ya go Stickdog!! let us know what you think....<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm12.showMessage?topicID=191.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...=191.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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hoax huh

Postby blanc » Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:16 pm

darn it, we rented a tv to watch it <p></p><i></i>
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MOON HOAX

Postby greencrow0 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:42 pm

The overwhelming success of this hoax emboldened the criminal elite to formulate other frauds <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>to keep the people mesmerized and 'in awe' of the state.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>...culminating in 9/11. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: If you believe we put a man on the Moon ...

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:00 pm

The problem with Andy Kaufman is that the world doesn't know how to take a joke. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: If you believe we put a man on the Moon ...

Postby tigre63 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:50 pm

I didn't mean to take anything away from your thread.Good title choice for this thread by the way.<br><br>Heres a picture taken from apollo 17 mission.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.solarviews.com/raw/moon/copersm.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>This should prove that at least apollo 17 got this close, and if your this close you might as well land I suppose.<br><br>Although for me I think the best case that nasa made it to the moon is Eugene Shoemaker.This guy loved rocks and spent his entire career dreaming of studying rocks from the moon.<br><br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Shoemaker<br>I highly doubt Shoemaker would go along with a fake moon landing conspiracy.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: If you believe we put a man on the Moon ...

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:23 pm

That's a nice pic, but I'm not questioning if we sent unmanned orbiters to Moon by 1972. And I'm sure Shoemaker was studying Moon rocks one way or another. But they may have been knocked off by impacts and collected in Antartica.<br><br>darkbeforedawn, I just read the entire "did not/did so" men on the Moon debate that you linked.<br><br>My opinion remains unchanged. The only thing less convincing than the speculative arguments of the Moon hoaxers are the selective dis&misinfo debunkings of the Moon landing defenders.<br><br>Let me repeat myself. Apollo astronauts supposedly took well over 6,000 photos from the surface of the Moon over 6 successful missions. Why did they not once point a single camera up? <br><br>I don't want to hear the Moon hoaxer's nonsense claims debunked. I want to see some unambiguous physical or scientific evidence that shows that Apollo astronauts actually walked on the Moon. Where is it? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=stickdog99>stickdog99</A> at: 4/16/06 6:25 pm<br></i>
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Re: If you believe we put a man on the Moon ...

Postby AlienSpaceBat » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:47 pm

Pointing the camera directly upwards wouldn't really prove anything, just a picture pointed upwards showing stars - could have been taken anywhere.<br><br>Any picture containing the moon surface will never show stars - the surface in sunlight is hugely brighter than a star, so anything exposed correctly for the moon surface will underexpose the sky so much it will always be black all over. Its easy enough to test this - go outside at night and take a photo of a lit scene with stars overhead. The stars won't be there on the photo.<br><br>To show the stars and moon a picture would have to be takenthat massively overexposed the foreground, burning out all the detail. AFAIK no such photo was taken, and it may not even have been possible, given the cameras were hand held and the exposure would need to be extremely long. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: If you believe we put a man on the Moon ...

Postby tigre63 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:55 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.solarviews.com/cap/moon/apollo16.htm">www.solarviews.com/cap/moon/apollo16.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Heres a Clementine video of apollo 16 landing site.<br><br>Don't blink! <p></p><i></i>
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A fraud too far

Postby greencrow0 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:56 pm

Strange thing is, if they had just been able to stop and the moon hoax and the assassinations they probably would have gotten away with it.<br><br>But the addictive hubris that took hold in them, resulting from their spectactular success with the moon landing in particular, led them to try 9/11...and now NOTHING that they've done stands up to scrutiny. NOTHING. <p></p><i></i>
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Apollo 16 landing site

Postby tigre63 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:12 pm

<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/gif/select_jpg/APOLLO16.JPG" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>From what I have seen Clementine pictures will be the best bet to see apollo debris on the moon. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: If you believe we put a man on the Moon ...

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:04 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Pointing the camera directly upwards wouldn't really prove anything, just a picture pointed upwards showing stars - could have been taken anywhere.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Bullshit. Given the exact time and exact location it would prove/disprove the whole shebang if it showed even a few planets and few scores of stars. And what about the Earth? Do you really want us to believe that a picture of the Earth rising and/or setting taken from the Moon's surface wouldn't have been breathtaking? Why, out of almost 6,000 photos, are there none of the Earth from the Moon's surface? What the FUCK else up there was a more wonderous sight? Some guy hitting a golf ball or tooling around in a golf cart?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Any picture containing the moon surface will never show stars - the surface in sunlight is hugely brighter than a star, so anything exposed correctly for the moon surface will underexpose the sky so much it will always be black all over. Its easy enough to test this - go outside at night and take a photo of a lit scene with stars overhead. The stars won't be there on the photo.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Of course. Did I claim anything else other than in my tongue-in-cheek picture captions? Why are you debunking an argument I never made?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>AFAIK no such photo was taken, and it may not even have been possible, given the cameras were hand held and the exposure would need to be extremely long.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Now you are making an idiotic claim. Just point the camera away from the surface, change the exposure and take the damn picture. You can probably go out right now and get nice hand held picture of one planet or two DURING THE DAY. It's not like 70mm Hasselblads suck or something. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=stickdog99>stickdog99</A> at: 4/16/06 9:23 pm<br></i>
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Sigh

Postby professorpan » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:04 am

Can an invasion of flat-earthers to this board be far off? <p></p><i></i>
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