HELP: Where is that thread about ... ?

[elfismiles]

Didn't someone start a thread specifically for finding lost threads? Now I can't find THAT thread.

Anywhoo...

So, perhaps it is within the WHERE IS UFOLOGY AT IN (fill-in-year) thread but, after cursory looksies around using both the board search and google site search I can't find what I'm looking for.

Maybe such a thread (that one or this one) could be pinned / stickied to the top of the general discussion forum?

I found JustDrew's reference to it but can't find it:

Towards a Collection of Neglected UFO/ESP Researchers

if you go through the 3 - 5 old 70's UFO docs I've posted in the "where's it at" thread, there's a wealth of now mostly forgotten researchers.

The information I'm looking for was (I think) from a blogspot.com blog wherein a transcript of an interview from years/decades ago was posted involving nuts-and-bolts oriented ufologists interviewing (I think) someone possibly connected to Canada's flying-saucer building projects and the nuts-and-bolts dudes kept trying to ask about how the ET saucers worked, their propulsion, but the interviewee kept talking about ESP and PSI but the nuts-and-boltsters kept NOT understanding why the interviewee kept bringing up these paranormal / parapsychology topics.


AH, WAIT, I think I found it... or maybe not ... any help is still appreciated.

viewtopic.php?p=500910#p500910

Spook Tech: Archonology (Part 3)
by Gordon
http://runesoup.com/2013/04/spook-tech- ... gy-part-3/

In 2010 I walked into a telecoms conference in Milan and saw a 3D television.

<snip>

Like when Skunkworks -previously run by UFO discloser Ben Rich- promises fusion power within four years. That’s unnecessarily accurate. Unless it isn’t. You know how long it would take to get to Mars with a fusion rocket? 30 days, apparently. So a shadowy military contractor whose former CEO said, twenty years ago, “we have the technology to take ET back home” now has a precise date for the release of fusion energy and then we find out it only takes 30 days to get to Mars in a fusion rocket. Interesting.

<snip>

Instead, let’s go back to Catherine Austin Fitts, and the real reason this woman fascinates me so much. Here’s a story from her time in Washington, in her own words:

In 1998, I was approached by John Peterson, head of the Arlington Institute, a small high quality military think tank in Washington, DC. I had gotten to know John through Global Business Network and had been impressed by his intelligence, effectiveness and compassion. John asked me to help him with a high level strategic plan Arlington was planning to undertake for the Undersecretary of the Navy.

At the time I was the target of an intense smear campaign that would lead the normal person to assume that I would be in jail shortly or worse. John explained that the Navy understood that it was all politics —- they did not care.

I met with a group of high level people in the military in the process — including the Undersecretary. According to John, the purpose of the plan — discussed in front of several military or retired military officers and former government officials— was to help the Navy adjust their operations for a world in which it was commonly known that aliens exist and live among us.

When John explained this purpose to me, I explained that I did not know that aliens existed and lived among us. John asked me if I would like to meet some aliens. For the only time in my life, I declined an opportunity to learn about something important. I was concerned that my efforts with Arlington could boomerang and be connected with the smear campaign and the effects that I was managing. I regret that decision. At John’s suggestion I started to read books on the topic and read about 25 books over the next year on the alien question, the black budget, and alien technology.

I had to drop from the project due to the need to attend to litigation and the physical harassment and surveillance of me and some of the people helping me. This process —which turned out to be incredibly time consuming — I now believe was connected with the black budget/slush fund activities connected with FHA and Ginnie Mae at HUD. (See, “The Myth of the Rule of Law”) John then asked me if I would join the board of the Arlington Institute.

When I attended one of my first meetings, I joined in discussion with about 10 people which included James Woolsey, former head of the CIA in the Clinton Administration, Napier Collyns, founder of Global Business Network and former senior Shell executive, Joe Firmage, John, and other members of the Arlington board. The main topic of discussion was whether or not the major project for the coming year should be a white paper on how to help the American people adjust to aliens existing and living among us. I said nothing — just listened. Not that long after, I dropped from the board due to the continued demands related to litigation with the Department of Justice and their informant.

<snip>

In the Department of Defense, where more than two-thirds of the intelligence programs reside, only a handful of senior officials – called Super Users – have the ability to even know about all the department’s activities. But as two of the Super Users indicated in interviews, there is simply no way they can keep up with the nation’s most sensitive work.

“I’m not going to live long enough to be briefed on everything” was how one Super User put it. The other recounted that for his initial briefing, he was escorted into a tiny, dark room, seated at a small table and told he couldn’t take notes. Program after program began flashing on a screen, he said, until he yelled ”Stop!” in frustration.

“I wasn’t remembering any of it,” he said.

Underscoring the seriousness of these issues are the conclusions of retired Army Lt. Gen. John R. Vines, who was asked last year to review the method for tracking the Defense Department’s most sensitive programs. Vines, who once commanded 145,000 troops in Iraq and is familiar with complex problems, was stunned by what he discovered.

“I’m not aware of any agency with the authority, responsibility or a process in place to coordinate all these interagency and commercial activities,” he said in an interview. “The complexity of this system defies description.”

This is not ‘the conspiracy’. This is the snowball. This is where ‘the conspiracy’ hides. Let’s return to Eric Walker. This is from Grant Cameron’s website:

Walker served as a member of the Institute for Defense Analysis from 1958 to 1981 when he became Chairman of the Board. In 1986 he became Chairman Emeritus and remained in that position until his death. The Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA) is known as ” the think tank to the highest echelons of the Pentagon “ and “the principal advisory organization serving the office of the Secretary of Defense as a whole.”

90% of the work done by IDA is TOP SECRET, the other 10% is for OFFICIAL EYES ONLY.

This organization spawned off a group from within known as DARPA, or the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. DARPA was responsible for ” the scientific investigation into advanced technologies of the future.” DARPA is responsible for the initial research funding for over the horizon radar, the Stealth Technology, and the Internet.

Recall that it was Eric Walker who said to Grant Cameron’s researchers that ESP and consciousness are related to the UFO phenomena. MK Ultra started about six months after the Wilbert Smith UFO memo in 1950. Which also mentions “mental phenomena”.

The extradimensional/UFO component of these clandestine technologies is circumstantially tied into this snowball world from the start… especially when it comes to the manipulation of public consciousness. This is from Jacques Vallée’s Dimensions:

I have alluded to the fact that the major groups of UFO believers have been closely monitored by government agents. There is a good reason for this attention: their influence can be manipulated for political goals or simply as a test of various forms of deception. One of the recommendations of a recently declassified CIA/U.S. Air Force panel on UFOs, which met in Washington in 1953, was precisely to monitor the activities of civilian groups: The Panel took cognizance of the existence of such groups as the “Civilian Flying Saucer Investigators” or Los Angeles and the “Aerial Phenomena Research Organization” (Wisconsin). It was believed that such organizations should be watched because of their great influence on mass thinking if widespread sightings should occur. The apparent irresponsibility and the possible use of such groups for subversive purposes should be kept in mind.
…
[T]hey would provide an escape valve for the steam of the enthusiasts and a useful channel for planted stories. Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the former CIA chief who stated, “It is imperative that we learn what UFOs are and where they come from,” and later joined the board of directors of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena (NICAP), could have lent credibility to the stratagem by deliberately promoting the extraterrestrial theory. Also among the leaders of NICAP, one of the most influential UFO groups in the fifties and sixties, were at least three well-known intelligence operatives: Bernard Corvalho, Nicholas de Rochefort, and Colonel Joseph Ryan, men who were trained practitioners of the modern techniques of psychological warfare.

I describe UFO research as sudoku for people who don’t like sudoku… and I fucking hate sudoku. (Stop saying sudoku!) It is simultaneously a bundle of Cold War propaganda, illegal manipulation of the public mind, a lie to cover dangerous military research, extradimensional trolling and what appears to be a persistent aspect of normally functioning human consciousness going back at least as far as the Neolithic renaissance. Some of it might even be actual aliens.

Unpicking its component parts is much more interesting than sudoku. Because it’s not just one thing… and there is a shadowy public/private contingent that goes out of its way to make sure it remains unpicked. This is from an interview with Jacques Vallée about forbidden science:

Plato: A massive project I’m sure. But you came across an important letter referred to as the “Pentacle Letter”. What did its contents divulge?

Dr. Jacques Vallee: I feel more free to talk about this now, I did not feel free to talk about it in the book because the document had a secret stamp on it. My attorney and I were unable to determine whether it was still secret today. The document was dated 1953. However, it has now been released officially and so I don’t feel now under any obligation to keep it secret anymore. The document that I had, that I found in the files, was a carbon of a letter sent by an organization working under Project Stalk, which was in fact, Battelle Memorial Institute in Ohio which had been hired by the Air Force to do a very thorough, statistical investigation of the patterns in UFO sightings.

Now, that investigation eventually was published as a very well known report called Report 14. What struck me was that the letter, it was a 2 page, single spaced letter, which was very, very well written by someone who obviously was very, very familiar with the scientific method. It explained what we already know by the way, that they were; Battelle at that time, was doing a massive statistical study on UFO sightings. However, it also discloses two things that have never been disclosed before. First, they have found patterns in those sightings. They wanted to go on studying before any kind of scientific panel was convened. So they were telling the CIA to stop this top secret meeting of the five scientists.

<snip>

Everyone caught this when it came out. Declassified schematics of a hypothetical 1950s flying saucer. It needs to be viewed in the light of the comments Dr Vallée found regarding the staging of a mass UFO sighting (both documents date to the same time) and also in the light of the opening paragraphs: Stuff doesn’t come out unless it’s entirely useless from a tech perspective or slightly useful from a disinfo one.

<snip>

The newspaper report quoted above indicates that the number of people with Top Secret clearance is 1.5 times the entire population of Washington. How many of them do you suppose work for private companies?

Tracing the tumbling down of spook tech is rather like looking for an electron. When you look, you can find it in Bell Labs or in Rumsfeld’s clenched demon claw or in the compounds of Bigelow Aerospace. Look away and it reverts into its ‘natural form’… a shadowy archon probability wave of unimaginable wealth.

Let’s return to nazis and asteroids then. Here’s Dr Carol Rosin’s oft-repeated warning from SS Major Von Braun. And whilst it might be easy to dismiss, as Dr Greer points out, our entire legal system is built on witness testimony. Either we take it for what it is; not much but still something; or we don’t.

What fascinates me about this statement is not the surprisingly-timed increase in meteor activity over the last few months, or the space monitoring treaties, or the ‘hypothetical’ (ie probably deployed) death rays that can evaporate incoming space targets like Manhattan office buildings… what fascinates me is the implications of Dr Vallée’s Pentacle Letter.

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[JackRiddler]

You do use quotes and the site and link commands in your google searches, yes? Put the quotes around usernames even if these are already one word to force it to find that word.

[seemslikeadream]

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36248

[JackRiddler]

Useful Google search techniques
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35050

Google Search Operators - Advanced Guide
http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators.html

On that thread, wombat notes:

Best ever: "-.com" consistently improves my results and accelerates meaningful novelty when added to any given search string.

[elfismiles]

Thanks folks. Usually I feel pretty competent at finding past posts but this one was vexing me.

Found it ... 82_28's that I quoted above led me to the Wombat's follow-up which was the nitty-gritty i seek:

I think you're quite correct on that. Sample from the Rune Soup post that's from:
http://runesoup.com/2013/03/everything- ... lications/

This is also an article that casually drops the revelation that Jacques Vallee came up with using coordinates to frontload RV sessions, and he did so in the cafeteria of SRI, in conversation with Ingo Swann. One line I keep coming back to is "RV struggles to process numbers or letters," because it so closely parallels with my own lucid dream explorations. I have, in recent years, been able to successfully read whole pages in lucid dreams now, but it moves/changes when I'm not looking and reads very much like Finnegans Wake, which I probably need to re-read. (Like, perhaps for the rest of my life.)

Anyways, forsooth:

So in 1950 when [Wilbert] Smith writes this [UFO] memo to the Canadian government, describing what he’s been told by officials of the United States, he talks about the UFO stuff which everybody quotes. The very next line everybody leaves out. I left it out for years, too. He said, “I was further informed that U.S. authorities (and you’ve got to get that—U.S. authorities) are investigating along quite a number of lines which might possibly be related to the Saucers such as mental phenomena, and I gather they are not doing too well since they have indicated that if Canada is doing anything at all along the lines of geomagnetics they would welcome a discussion with suitably accredited Canadians.”

So he’s basically saying that they’ve got this connection with mental phenomena and if there’s anybody inside Canada who’s working on it, if you get cleared to talk on a classified level, we’re willing to talk to you because we’re trying to figure this thing out….

The one was I mentioned Dr. Robert Starbacher and he was giving material to Wilbert Smith and when Stanton [Friedman] interviewed him he says, “Well, who was there? Was anybody alive? You’re mentioning all these guys who are dead.” He said, “There’s this one guy from Pennsylvania. He was real arrogant. He thought he knew everything. He attended all the meetings.” We tracked this guy down and he turns out to be Dr. Eric Walker, who was former President of Penn State University.

For 15 years he was the Chairman of the Board of the Institute for Defence Analysis, which is the top military think tank for the United States military. He was the co-developer of the homing torpedo. He was friends with Vannevar Bush. He had this incredible, unbelievable background of military and connections with Presidents and stuff like this. So when we go to him, we’re interviewing him as UFO researchers. We’re not thinking about the mind; we couldn’t care less about that, no connection whatsoever.

We’re talking to him and we’re trying to find out about this supposed UFO group that runs the whole thing, the MJ-12. We’re asking him questions about MJ-12. “Did you have contact with the aliens? How did the thing operate? How did you cover-up the UFO thing?” And suddenly in the middle of one of these interviews in 1990, he’s interviewed for about eight years. I’m running this team of researchers around the world. I’m not talking to them. There are people who say, “I can get Walker to talk.”

“Okay, here’s his phone number.” And what we’d do is we’d take all the interviews that are done with him and we put them in a book. In 1990 in the middle of one of these interviews, he suddenly cuts off the conversation talking about hardware, about bodies and all this, and he suddenly says, “How good is your sixth sense? How much do you know about ESP?” And the other guy goes, “Well, not really.” It’s not of interest to him. And Walker says, “Unless you know about it and how to use it, you will not be taken in.”

Because the question was about who’s running the group. What’s this MJ-12? How many people are in the group? How are these people operating? And he says, “Unless you know about ESP and how to use it, you would not be taken in by this MJ-12, this over-riding group that runs the UFO program. Only a few know about it.” We saw the interview and I put it in the book. We published the book in 1990. We’re about to re-publish the book. We put it in this book in 1991.

We never mentioned it in the book. We never brought up this mention of the fact that ESP was involved because it meant nothing to us. We were into the hardware and the bodies and all this sort of stuff. But he mentions this in 1990. Then in 1993 there’s a related story about a conversation that takes place with Ben Rich. Ben Rich was the guy who ran Skunk Works, where the U2, the SR-71, the Stealth fighter, the Stealth bomber, they were all developed by what was called Skunk Works.

Ben Rich ran [Skunk Works] and he would get a number of questions about was this UFO technology. He’s giving a lecture in 1993. He’s dying of cancer. He gives a lecture at UCLA to a bunch of engineers and he’s talking and he says, “We’ve got the technology to take ET home.” He gives his lecture, he finishes the lecture, he’s walking out, and one of the engineers who was interested in UFOs runs after him.

He says to Ben Rich, “How are these things propelled? How are UFOs propelled?” And Ben Rich turns around and says to him, “Let me ask you a question. How does ESP work?” And the guy says, “Well, it means that all points in time and space are connected.” And Ben Rich turns around and he says, “That’s how they work.” And so here’s this top guy in U.S. military research who’s saying ESP, that’s how UFOs are propelled. So you get these connections years later that basically put this together.

Currently obsessing over the fact George Van Tassel called the 1952 Washington DC You Foe Outbreak - even more so because I can find no mention of that allegedly famous big news in the NYT archives, which doesn't come up dry very often. I spent a good hour trying to find it, too, so if anything exists, please let a mammal know.

[Wombaticus Rex]

For the record: still obsessing over George Van Tassel.

[justdrew]

I found JustDrew's reference to it but can't find it:

Towards a Collection of Neglected UFO/ESP Researchers

if you go through the 3 - 5 old 70's UFO docs I've posted in the "where's it at" thread, there's a wealth of now mostly forgotten researchers.

The information I'm looking for was (I think) from a blogspot.com blog wherein a transcript of an interview from years/decades ago was posted involving nuts-and-bolts oriented ufologists interviewing (I think) someone possibly connected to Canada's flying-saucer building projects and the nuts-and-bolts dudes kept trying to ask about how the ET saucers worked, their propulsion, but the interviewee kept talking about ESP and PSI but the nuts-and-boltsters kept NOT understanding why the interviewee kept bringing up these paranormal / parapsychology topics.

Are you thinking of the Eric Walker 'interviews' ?

The other old videos I posted are on pages 15 and 17 of that thread. I've posted some in the video only thread too IIRC.

[elfismiles]

Thanks again JD / WR and all.

Yeah, the info I was looking for was the Eric Walker interview quotes from RuneSoup. If there is more on Eric Walker I'll be able to find it now that I know his name.

I really do think it'd be a useful idea for this thread, JD's thread, or a new thread like them, to be stickied to the top of the forum.

There are so many writers and researches here, and while many of us don't generally have trouble finding past posts, it seems like it'd be a useful thread for folks to shout-out "give a guy/gal a hand" when we can't find something cuz we can't remember that one thing that would pull the item up in a search.

Often when these hurdles happen for me I can recall the gist of an idea about a thread but not necessarily that one person's name or the source's url or even a phrase that would allow me to successfully search.

Anyway, I think the sticky thread for such help requests is a good idea, though obviously, some folks might abuse it or turn it into a discussion of whatever it was they were searching for ... like I probably quoted too much from what I was looking for and that's kinda cluttered up this thread getting it away from what I'm suggesting such a HELP-THREAD might be...

Heck, maybe RI could generate self-supporting funds by having a paid research division function built-in. Trusted members could act as something akin to Reference Librarians who respond to HELP-DESK REQUESTS for research assistance. PayPal or BitCoin enabled. With the number of "real-world" journalists and web-world bloggers on here already utilizing the RI-Brain-Trust for research that'd seem to be a potential money-maker.