Ken O' Keefe.

[slimmouse]

See, more of the same. Total fandom. If Icke pulls this off! He'll have biggest balls ever! What a MAN!!! Of course, Icke long ago demonstrated that he's got the ability to raise money what with plenty of patsies like this whose only gear in logic is circular.

Jack, do I detect a hint of envy here, or are you just being argumentative, for arguments sake here?

You and AD have a strangely consistent habit of telling me what Im doing and thinking. I know youre not the NSA, and I assume your not connected, so exactly how have you managed to reach these judgements?

And lets just imagine, for the sake of the pair of youre clearly constricted minds, (on this issue at least), that everything you are claiming is in fact true.

What exactly is the value, in your opinion of ridiculing someone for such affinity, in such a situation in such an open fashion?

On Edit.

Did you fall for my Icke fundrasing gig?

[seemslikeadream]

By the way, I apologize for not mentioning the Irish holocaust in my last couple of posts. Almost every post here fails to mention the Irish holocaust, and thus directly fosters denial and supports Churchill, the Bilderbergs and Zionism.

AD is the one that brought up the Irish Famine...as he likes to call it...he apparently knows as much about the Irish as he does about the Palestinians...actually I should say he cares as little for the Irish as he does for the Palestinians...continuing the LIES ABOUT BOTH...one by lying the other by ignoring


Jack the DU dungeon is calling...take your crap back there

I didn't take you for one of the anti-semites under every rock crowd...now I know better

[solace]

By the way, I apologize for not mentioning the Irish holocaust in my last couple of posts. Almost every post here fails to mention the Irish holocaust, and thus directly fosters denial and supports Churchill, the Bilderbergs and Zionism.

AD is the one that brought up the Irish Famine...as he likes to call it...he apparently knows as much about the Irish as he does about the Palestinians...actually I should say he cares as little for the Irish as he does for the Palestinians...continuing the LIES ABOUT BOTH...one by lying the other by ignoring


Jack the DU dungeon is calling...take your crap back there

I didn't take you for one of the anti-semites under every rock crowd...now I know better

FFS. This is getting old fast.

[seemslikeadream]

By the way, I apologize for not mentioning the Irish holocaust in my last couple of posts. Almost every post here fails to mention the Irish holocaust, and thus directly fosters denial and supports Churchill, the Bilderbergs and Zionism.

AD is the one that brought up the Irish Famine...as he likes to call it...he apparently knows as much about the Irish as he does about the Palestinians...actually I should say he cares as little for the Irish as he does for the Palestinians...continuing the LIES ABOUT BOTH...one by lying the other by ignoring


Jack the DU dungeon is calling...take your crap back there

I didn't take you for one of the anti-semites under every rock crowd...now I know better

FFS. This is getting old fast.

This has been old since AD started posting about David Icke years ago...you know he's the only one that ever started a thread about him and KEEPS BRINGS HIM UP EVERY TWO SECONDS...apparently he loves the drama...keeps coming back for more and more and more...one would think he has had enough but not AD...he loves crap

I'd love it if Jeff would ban the discussion of Icke...but then AD would have nothing left to talk about and he'd have to stay in his mega thread

[seemslikeadream]

ok here's the deal...all because of AD's obsession

compared2what....GONE

Alice....GONE

RI has had a couple near meltdowns

now Jack and I are at each others throats..at least in the past we could politely get along...I doubt that will happen after this thread

I know of other people (I will not name) that are gone or won't ever post in an AD thread again

there has been so much ill will spread around here because of AD's insistence in bringing up Icke every other day here...causing so much upheaval

all AD's threads do is foment hatred and divisiveness here....I don't understand why he has to continue this path but now I am done...he can continue to lie about me all he wants....I am done with him ....everyone that knows me here will know that he is lying so I won't reply any longer....I have had many many pm's in support so I know I have a whole bunch of good friends that disagree with AD's opinion of me and their thoughts will carry me through ....I will not be pushed off of RI because of AD like so many others have....so I am finally decided this is the end of it for me......carry on AD spewing discord here that is all on you from here on out....I will have no more to do with it..I have not one spare moment to think of this crap every again

like I said I wish Jeff would ban Icke discussion here....I really do

and solace I hope you won't continue to diss me because I will not reply ...I really would like to put this all in the past

[solace]

All hail the all-powerful AD.....destroyer of worlds!!!!!

[JackRiddler]

Sorry SLAD, that's bullshit. First of all, you and I cannot possibly be at each others' throats, as our respective altitudes at the moment differ by miles.

Second, I don't see AD bringing up Icke independently. At most maybe he's started two or three threads specifically about Icke in the last five years.

No, what happens typically is this:

(1) You (or someone else) post something from an Icke site (or from Atzmon, or Shamir, or now O'Keefe) and it's almost always something that could have easily been found on some other site, or a point that most people here would agree with and does not require to be said by one of these characters.

(2) AD (who apparently can't help it, though occasionally I do the same) posts something about how Icke (or Atzmon, or Shamir) is a walking disaster for the politically inquisitive community, which Icke (et al.) is (are). (Note: Ironically this is in proportion to the attention these frauds get from the pseudo-skeptics as well as the cultish patsies who actually follow them and make excuses for them.)

(3) Then you (or someone else) go insane with floods of off-topic stuff about the evils of Zionism, Bilderberg or Churchill (all usually true enough, but irrelevant) or the supposed denial of the Irish starvation (indubitably in part a genocide perpetrated by the British), and you equate AD's mentioning of Icke et al. with the supposed support by AD of Zionism, Bilderberg or Churchill.

(4) To top it off, you (usually you) call for the thread to be locked now that "AD" has disrupted it.

(5) Repeat ad infinitum.

Meanwhile, you really do locate and post a lot of first-rate content. If only you could get over your obsessions in this matter of Icke et al.

[wintler2]

..As no Jewish person would ever refer to the "Jewish Oxygen Famine of 1939 - 1945", so no Irish person ought ever refer to the Irish Holocaust as a famine.

You've got a job ahead of ye then, as that is exactly what every mick i know calls it. I lived in Eire for >3 years, have passport, irish on both sides back at least 6 generations, and I never heard the term 'irish holocaust' until you used it. Sure the Brits were bastards, exported food during famine etc, but thats what empires do. Your holocaust 'thing' is bizarre.

[American Dream]

..As no Jewish person would ever refer to the "Jewish Oxygen Famine of 1939 - 1945", so no Irish person ought ever refer to the Irish Holocaust as a famine.

You've got a job ahead of ye then, as that is exactly what every mick i know calls it. I lived in Eire for >3 years, have passport, irish on both sides back at least 6 generations, and I never heard the term 'irish holocaust' until you used it. Sure the Brits were bastards, exported food during famine etc, but thats what empires do. Your holocaust 'thing' is bizarre.

Exactly- it was Searcher who referred to it first as a famine here in this thread. He's Irish too, I do believe.

[wintler2]

..As no Jewish person would ever refer to the "Jewish Oxygen Famine of 1939 - 1945", so no Irish person ought ever refer to the Irish Holocaust as a famine.

You've got a job ahead of ye then, as that is exactly what every mick i know calls it. I lived in Eire for >3 years, have passport, irish on both sides back at least 6 generations, and I never heard the term 'irish holocaust' until you used it. Sure the Brits were bastards, exported food during famine etc, but thats what empires do. Your holocaust 'thing' is bizarre.

Exactly- it was Searcher who referred to it first as a famine here in this thread. He's Irish too, I do believe.

But really tihs was an argument about whether slimmouse is soliciting funds or at least clicks for icke, yes? the latter seems unarguable given the # of promos, how much Jeff should get a per ickey ad should be the question. what is the going rate for bespoke online advertising?

[slimmouse]

But really tihs was an argument about whether slimmouse is soliciting funds or at least clicks for icke, yes? the latter seems unarguable given the # of promos, how much Jeff should get a per ickey ad should be the question. what is the going rate for bespoke online advertising?

Ah, 'bespoke' (stealth) advertising. A very innovative angle. Im sure the 'Icke media empire' will appreciate every last tenth of a cent !!

Now let me see. If I see something on the Icke website, that I feel is worthy of reiteration here, I probably shouldnt post it, cos its expanding the wealth of a 62 year old arthritic who's still trying his best to follow what he clearly believes is his own journey?


Dont read the messages, cos they fill the pockets of global evil, stupidity, nonsense ( select approprate descriptive judgement)

amd all the while I must also remember this. Free energy is too expensive.

Talk about confusing

[American Dream]

Now let me see. If I see something on the Icke website, that I feel is worthy of reiteration here, I probably shouldnt post it, cos its expanding the wealth of a 62 year old arthritic who's still trying his best to follow what he clearly believes is his own journey?

You were repeatedly encouraging people to donate funds to Icke- the guy with a record of supporting Zundel and the Protocols, who asks whether Hitler was a Rothschild, etc.

[Searcher08]

Now let me see. If I see something on the Icke website, that I feel is worthy of reiteration here, I probably shouldnt post it, cos its expanding the wealth of a 62 year old arthritic who's still trying his best to follow what he clearly believes is his own journey?

You were repeatedly encouraging people to donate funds to Icke- the guy with a record of supporting Zundel and the Protocols, who asks whether Hitler was a Rothschild, etc.

Could you supply a citation?
I went back over the thread "The Peoples Voice" and have not found any evidence of that.

I want to raise an issue which was about the exposure of elite pedophilia networks. This has been taking place through massively number of people being involved on the Jimmy Saville thread on the Icke forum.

Nearly 80,000 posts and nearly 9 MILLION views.

Frame: Catherine Austin Fitts described a meeting with a group of Quaker friends who were ethical investors. She described explaining to them about drug money - and put a red button at the front of the room where pressing it would remove drug money from circulation. She invited people who wanted to, to press it. 99% of people did not - when asked, they said they didnt want to - and when asked why - said because it might effect their retirement / investment income.

She said this was systemic information, not about making them 'bad' , because they were not.


AD, if there was a button you could press that would:
Get Icke banned from every venue , media and publisher, and if the cost of that was to Deep-Six that Jimmy Saville thread, my feeling is that you would do so instantly - is that accurate?

[American Dream]

Searcher, I know that really sketchy material will always be found on the Icke site, from Rense, Makow, Hoffman and others. Such highly dubious material will always be found at places like that. I don't think I would push your imaginary button but I am really, really glad that Rigorous Intuition is an anti-fascist board which repudiates white supremacy, revisionist theories of the Nazi Holocaust, the oppression of women and etc.

Do you think Rigorous Intuition should be used for fundraising for Icke, Searcher?

Here- at your request- are the first three pages of slim's posts from the thread in question:

You can think what you may of David Icke, who is the innovator of this project, but I sure like the sound of it. Its a crowdfunded Online TV and radio station, which looks as if it should comfortably meet its funding minimum.

From the link ;


A free global internet TV & Radio station broadcasting the information, background and opinions the mainstream media won't touch
Please note: If we don't reach our £100,000 goal your contribution will be fully refunded.
What is The People's Voice?

How often is the question asked ‘What can I do?’ in the face of the global descent into Big Brother tyranny and oppression? How often do we hear it said that ‘the people’s voice should be heard’?

Well here is an answer to ‘What can I do?’ – an answer that will also guarantee that the people’s voice will be heard.

I have been communicating secret and suppressed information worldwide for nearly a quarter of a century and I spent nearly 20 years before that working in the mainstream media with newspapers, radio stations and BBC Television. I have vast experience of the corporate and alternative media and I can tell you this:

The mainstream corporate-owned media is NEVER going to tell you the truth or give you information that exposes what is really happening in the world. Corporations and governments are going to expose themselves through a media that they own?

Are you kidding?

This is why the mainstream media does not serve the interests of The People, but those of the corporations and governments that dictate the limits of the content.

The corporate media will never give The People a voice – so we have to give one to ourselves. This is our chance and it’s time to grasp it before the global collapse into economic tyranny and Big Brother oppression slams the door on what remains of human freedom.

We need £100,000 as the very minimum necessary to go to air within months and everything above that will ensure that The People’s Voice will be bigger, better and more effective on day one and the dream can be made a reality on the scale that I envisage.

This is my dream … this is how we go beyond protest and bypass the mainstream media to give people direct access to the microphone and camera while broadcasting and breaking the stories that will give the global population the background to world events that the corporate media censors refuse to investigate.

The People’s Voice would broadcast out of London, but this is a global station. We are all in this together and we must come together, talk together and cooperate together to bring about a global awakening.

We would have programmes every day by presenters in the UK and the United States with other regular programmes featuring presenters and content in Australia/New Zealand, Africa and everywhere else that we can secure quality programming.
What will you broadcast?

I especially want to give a voice to people in the Middle and Near East whose views, on-the-ground knowledge and experiences are ignored by the corporate media. No more silent wars. The potential is endless once we gain access to such a volume of daily airtime.

I want The People’s Voice reporters in media conferences where the rich and powerful will be asked questions about their part in world events that corporate journalists would freak-out at asking. Most of them don’t even know what to ask because they are so unresearched.

Whistleblower insiders and expert researchers in their fields across the world will be given airtime to share their knowledge and there will be on-going phone-ins for people to constantly have the chance to make their comments on what is happening through the day.

Public protests ignored or misrepresented by the corporate media will be given their voice with the most significant of them covered live to allow otherwise silenced people to tell their stories and make their points. We would also be the vehicle to promote these and other events that bring people together in mutual support and dialogue.

We can have an explosive impact if we can raise the funds to launch The People’s Voice on the scale that I want. The mainstream media itself will be challenged by our very existence to start behaving like journalists instead of corporate lapdogs.

The People’s Voice also refers to musicians and other artistic expression and I want to give talented, creative and inventive musicians, comedians and artists a platform they are currently denied to share their talents and insights with a global audience. Regular mass global meditations are another must-do that will bring everyone together on an even deeper level.

The People’s Voice will not do censorship, except within the bounds of libel, and it will not be silenced by intimidation or special interests. We have only two special interests – The People’s Right To Be Heard and The People’s Right To Be Told What They Need To Know.

The People’s Voice will be irreverent to self-appointed authority, impossible to intimidate, and will challenge hour by hour the unfolding tyranny of corporate and government imposition and erosion of freedom.

It is time for The People to speak – here is their microphone.
Why do you need £100,000?

The costs of setting up a studio in London are substantial. In order to make this happen we need to spend money on:

Renting studio and office space.

Buying equipment that enables us to broadcast which includes mixing desks, cameras, lighting, sound, and software.

Building a set.

Paying for the initial and ongoing streaming bandwidth costs.

Hiring a full time production and technical team to help us produce content for the station 24/7.

The £100,000 is the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM needed in order to make this happen and keep us running for the first 6 months.

Advertising revenue should see the station become self-sufficient after we launch.

More info at the link

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-people-s-voice

Thanks for the input guys,

from the OP,

The People’s Voice will not do censorship, except within the bounds of libel, and it will not be silenced by intimidation or special interests. We have only two special interests – The People’s Right To Be Heard and The People’s Right To Be Told What They Need To Know.

It sounds like Ben Fellows could use some of this kind of help. He's the guy who accused Bilderberger Kenneth Clarke of abusing him, and the man who recently started speaking the unspeakable regarding the UK authorities complicity in child trafficking. Thanks to Connipton for this link from the Saville thread.

"At 11:30pm that evening, the phone rang and an anonymous man told Ben to look outside his window to the other side of the street.

"A man in a black ski mask stood there on a mobile phone, the caller said 'What happened to that soldier today is what is going to happen to you'"

Fellows is apparently missing at this point in time

Meanwhlile , The list of such people is endless of course.


Link ; http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/06/b ... ssing.html

Any suggestions as to what Fellows should do? Anyone reccomendations at to sources who are going to stand in his corner for him? I suspect The peoples voice might.

With regards to the project itself meanwhile, Im just amazed that 100k will (by the sounds of things ) guarantee six months of broadcasting. ( currently 54.5 k). It will save me my c2c subscription for starters.

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even RI if my memory serves

I personally imagine that if this thing takes off, like it has the potential to do, that genuinely alternative websites, many of which present the news and cold facts the establishment definitely doesnt want you to hear would truly get some fiscal kickback from this. Most riggies probably know who they are, or at least know of their own.

I also love the idea of the station as a platform for independent musicians and comedians.

We must always live in hope.

You can't really separate SchtICKE from his project.

I was hoping you might continue that remark with......"cos if you could, its a decent idea".

Perhaps its just that Ive been around here too long, but you didn't surprise me.

So go ahead and elaborate on my thoughts about the project as a good idea ( assuming in some non Ickean utopia that you and others appear to strive for, he wasnt involved)

Lets take he who should not be spoken out of the equation once and for all. Question to BPH;

The crowdsource funding of a TV and radio station that will broadcast the news that the shepherds and their sheepdogs ( since you appear big on such analogies) dont want us to hear,


Good or bad idea?

As an asiide Ive learned an absolute ton about indiegogo funding and stuff from this. Personally, that was worth looking at the link in and of itself if you ask me.

ON EDIT

American Dream. Ive just read that article that you so graciously crossposted from that thread, and Ive never read such a crock of factual/opinionated hit piece crap in my entire life. It's probably any amount worse than any of the chaff you continuously appear to extract from Icke I guess I was never previously dilligent enough to read the stuff you post. If the article above is anything to go by, I'm not such a bad judge after all.

I understand that you may well be busy, but please check your facts in your articles before you post them. This thread was doing ok in that regard up until this point.


Meanwhile I love the concept of the project. Ive never personally heard of it before. What do you think about ir ?

ON EDIT

American Dream. Ive just read that article that you so graciously crossposted from that thread, and Ive never read such a crock of factual/opinionated hit piece crap in my entire life. It's probably any amount worse than any of the chaff you continuously appear to extract from Icke I guess I was never previously dilligent enough to read the stuff you post. If the article above is anything to go by, I'm not such a bad judge after all.

Please identify specific points made that you do or do not agree with- what you've written is entirely muddy.

Above and beyond that, let's not be distracted from the overall thrust of the critique.

David Icke is very bad news indeed- associating him with real points of crisis and struggle: against organized pedophilia, against settler colonialism in Palestine, etc., is very likely to hurt much more than it helps. And these things do matter a great deal...

AD, Im not turning this thread into a slanging match, or an essay which criiques point by point. But, for example, Icke believes that Bill Clinton is in and of himself, a shape shifting reptilain from the planet Draco?

Where does Icke say that? Have you read it yourself? Or is that the same kind of bland sloppy generalisation that critics of Icke, such as yourself accuse Icke himself of , whenever his name is mentioned?

It's clearly not the idea of a TV station that tells people stuff that the 0.000001% dont want us to hear, its the name huh?

Fucking good idea though, innit?

I think the success of the campaign is probably as much a reflection of the dissillusionment and anger of people with the way the control system is being increasingly exposed as the drain on humanity that it is, as it is about David Icke. OK, his website sometimes posts links to dodgy sources and scoundrels, , but of course that happens here in this very thread. Meanwhile theres some good stuff there too.

Elite Peadophiles, Bankers , along with Warmongerers whoring for the the entire gamut of the MIC, dressed up as Presidents, Prime Ministers, and High Ranking diplomats. These real criminals against humanity , along with the mainstream media, who act as mouthpieces for the former, are being increasingly laid bare for exactly what they are largely thanks to the alternative media, including the Icke website. I really dont want to turn this into a pissing contest, but would add that David Icke is simply the messenger, and Im pretty damn sure he'd be the first to tell you that.

I also seriously feel this project deserves at least the chance to air first, before we all get our knickers in too much of a knot about the innovator.

Having read your last article AD, Im left with the impression that Martin Cannon, a man with years of experience in the field, is still unsure to this day whether or not the accounts of O' brien and Phillips are true.

Given that this is the case, Im wondering if Ickes Decades old exposure to the very existence of mind control programmes is such a bad thing reallly.

What Im trying to say is that if Cannon aint sure, is it reasonable to expect Icke to disbelieve them , given what would have been by that time, Ickes own unravelliings of MKA ultra, Satanic cults and serial abuse and pedophilia that is rampant within the higher echelons of political power, the church, and society in general?

David Icke is where I first heard about it all of this stuff, I wonder how many millions more are in the same boat? In other words how many people who would have formerly scoffed at such nonsense, are now starting to understand how real it was and probably still is ?

In other words, how do you come to the conclusion that this is very destructive?

Meanwhile, How many prosecutions of the said serial psycopaths and satanists who are it seems currently constructing this prison?

Do we deserve a voice AD.?

Are you going to be that voice?

I think you're misinterpreting Martin Cannon. True that he once did "believe" in people of the ilk of Wilder, O'Brien/Phillips, Wheeler et al.

At this point, an honest investigator can only feel aggravated and dispirited - which may be the entire point of this charade. In fact, ritual abuse claimants throughout the country had spoken darkly of a "Project Monarch" well before Mark and Cathy came on the scene. Now, skeptics can posit that Mark Phillips contaminated the testimony of others, even though the chronology argues against this scenario
As mentioned previously, the essential idea behind the Monarch theory seems "do-able." And to be fair, Mark and Cathy never seemed to be "in it for the money" - in fact, they spent a tremendous amount on their mailings, while the potential for libel suits placed them at some financial risk. I doubt that sales of their book (published by a small firm, and undistributed, so far, in the larger stores) will fetch them much monetary benefit.

How, then, do we assess their claims? Some believe that Cathy's testimony is essentially true, while others damn it as a pack of lies. Still others suspect that Mark and Cathy have played out a clever disinformation gambit, mixing fact and fiction in order to discredit any genuine victims who "break program." Worth noting: "Mr. A" has never attempted to sue the couple, even though they have accused him publicly of numerous crimes, and even though he is notorious for having his lawyers write intimidating letters to anyone he perceives as injuring his reputation..

Am I wrong to assume at this point that he still seems unsure about their whole story?

More importantly why is Icke dangerious for buying this ? Do you blame him for buying a story that may or may not be true,given the earlier context I offered?

AD, for the second time, do the people who are being subjected to ongoing crimes by the elite deserve a global voice?

Do we deserve to hear the news the mainstream media isnt telling us, regarding warfare, pedophilia, the entire banking system con, the Big Pharma cartels with their criminal practices, the "War on drugs lie" , to name but a few?

Could we us a few genuine, courageous journalists, who might offer us all a moment of dark pleasure, as we watch dishonorable men in positions of importance cringe, and blabber, and desperately try to deflect the question at hand, exposing those who fit the description of being the sociopathic liars that they are?

I strongly suspect thats what we'll be hearing about. Im sure the stations lawyers will be all to familiar with the libel situation.

Is that a bad thing?

[Searcher08]

..As no Jewish person would ever refer to the "Jewish Oxygen Famine of 1939 - 1945", so no Irish person ought ever refer to the Irish Holocaust as a famine.

You've got a job ahead of ye then, as that is exactly what every mick i know calls it. I lived in Eire for >3 years, have passport, irish on both sides back at least 6 generations, and I never heard the term 'irish holocaust' until you used it. Sure the Brits were bastards, exported food during famine etc, but thats what empires do. Your holocaust 'thing' is bizarre.

Exactly- it was Searcher who referred to it first as a famine here in this thread. He's Irish too, I do believe.

I want to be accurate here - in usage there is 'The Famine' which for most Irish people is like an equivalent of Shoah in the Jewish context. It certainly doesnt equate to Irish people accepting that it was just people starving to death in a natural occurance and / or the English were just callous wankers. Tim Pat Coogan's recent book on the subject is well worth checking out.