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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:42 pm

seemslikeadream » Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:05 pm wrote:Alice I have always wanted you to comment on this old article...maybe if you have the time?


I think it's a very good overview, with no inaccuracies as far as I can tell. My only slight quibble is with the author's naivete here:

Qutb's hostility toward the West, in general, and the United States, in particular, was born during two years of study at the University of Northern Colorado in Greeley in the late 1940's. He returned to Egypt mortified by decadent, sex-crazed America, which he likened to a brothel. The Muslim Brotherhood underwent a significant shift with the radicalization of Qutb in prison. What had been essentially a reformist organization in its formative phase veered off in a dangerous new direction. In addition to intro ducting a harsh anti-American perspective to the Brethren,


The pattern is repeated too often to be random: an innocuous, unremarkable, mediocre man suddenly is granted a scholarship to study in the US. He returns transformed into a rabid fanatic and rapidly acquires power and influence in Islamist circles. Sayed Qutb was already 40 years old when he was inexplicably granted this "scholarship", too old to be eligible. A failed novelist and literary reviewer, he had never distinguished himself in any way, other than writing a regular column for a Masonic publication; oh, yeah, Qutb was an enthusiastic Mason.

Mohamed Morsy fits the same pattern, except for the Masonism: another obscure, mediocre person with no major accomplishments to his name, he also was granted a scholarship in the US; it was only after his return that he became very active in Islamist circles. Incidentally, Morsy is a follower of Sayed Qutb, and indeed has memorized Qutb's book "Milestones", in which he explains that Egyptian society is a society of Infidels who must be manipulated and lied to, until it can be transformed into a society that complies with what he considers "real" Islam. The irony is that Morsy has memorized Qutb's book but requires crib notes to quote from the Quran, even common quotes that most Egyptians have memorized, even Christians. The vast majority of Egyptians no longer believe the Muslim Brothers' or other Islamists' claim to be Muslim; most Egyptians, Muslim and Christian, are devout. Whatever the Muslim Brotherhood's real faith is, it has nothing to do with Islam, other than in the way a parasite has to do with a host.

coffin_dodger: thank you. I was feeling pretty fed up last night, ready to stop wasting my time trying to explain things to people who keep posting worthless bullshit from people who are either lying or lying or deluded. Not even any facts or any sort of evidence, just nonsense. It's the same nonsense being disseminated elsewhere, so I don't understand what there is to gain by posting it here. The only thing that brought me back was remembering that there are others who are interested in hearing not what I, but what almost all Egyptians are experiencing and seeing. Unfortunately, few Egyptians can communicate clearly and effectively in English or other foreign languages, and when they try, they sound incoherent . So sometimes it feels like Egypt is surrounded by a massive wall, and the Muslim Brotherhood and their allies are the gate-keepers.

It's a suffocating feeling, making it very tempting to just close ranks with other Egyptians and let whoever say whatever. The outcome won't be decided by the likes of me anyway, nor by Western public opinion, for that matter, which is far more relevant over there than it is over here. But I appreciate that there are people here who genuinely want to know what there is behind that wall, just as I would if the positions were reversed, and that's why I'm still here, for now.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:59 pm

Turkey: Israel behind Egyptian leader's ouster
By SUZAN FRASER, Associated Press | August 20, 2013 | Updated: August 20, 2013 2:37pm


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Supporters of Egypt's ousted President Mohammed Morsi, seen in poster with Arabic that reads, "yes to legitimacy," march in the Maadi district Cairo, Egypt, Monday, Aug. 19, 2013. Tensions in Egypt have soared since the army ousted Morsi, Hosni Mubarak's successor, in a July 3 coup following days of protests by millions of Egyptians demanding the Islamist president leave and accusing him of abusing his powers. But Morsi's supporters have fought back, staging demonstrations demanding that he be reinstated and denouncing the military coup. On Wednesday, the military raided two protest camps of Morsi's supporters in Cairo, killing hundreds of people and triggering the current wave of violence.

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — Turkey's prime minister on Tuesday accused Israel of being behind the ouster of Egypt's Islamist President Mohammed Morsi, offering as the only evidence for his claim a statement by a Jewish French intellectual during a meeting with an Israeli official.

The Egyptian Cabinet rejected Recep Tayyip Erdogan's statement as baseless and "bewildering," saying its patience was running low with Turkey, one of the biggest critics of the July 3 military coup. Israel said the claim wasn't worth comment.

In his nationally televised speech, Erdogan also took a swipe at Muslim nations, accusing them of betraying Egypt by supporting the country's military-backed new leaders.

The evidence Erdogan gave for the alleged Israeli involvement was a meeting in France before elections in Egypt in 2011 between an Israeli justice minister and an unnamed intellectual whom he quoted as saying the Muslim Brotherhood would not be in power even if it wins elections.

"What is said about Egypt? That democracy is not the ballot box. Who is behind this? Israel is. We have the evidence in our hands," Erdogan said in a televised address to officials from his Islamic-rooted, ruling party. "That's exactly what happened."

An aide later told The Associated Press that the evidence Erdogan was referring to was a video "available on the Internet" of a press conference by Israeli Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and French philosopher and author Bernard-Henri Levy.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby justdrew » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:31 pm

Erdogan should be the next one to go down. Theocracy meets a line in the sand.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:01 am

seemslikeadream » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:59 pm wrote:
Turkey: Israel behind Egyptian leader's ouster
By SUZAN FRASER, Associated Press | August 20, 2013 | Updated: August 20, 2013 2:37pm


Naturally, Egyptian commentators tore Erdogan a new one last night, using statistics from Erdogan's own government to show how Turkey's close relations with Israel grew significantly stronger under his leadership, in the fields of military cooperation, trade and tourism, so this sleazy demagogic appeal to anti-Israel sentiment rings hollow coming from him. They made fun of Erdogan's fury at Egyptians for taking away his dream of becoming the new, NATO-controlled leader of an Islamic Ottoman Caliphate ruling the Middle East via Muslim Brotherhood puppet regimes.

The Egyptian presidency issued a statement that Egypt needs no lessons in patriotism from a regional member of NATO. Erdogan sure is having conniptions, and his followers are going all out:

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Speaking of yellow, I posted on Facebook my questions about the color's significance and why it's suddenly popping up in the oddest places. A friend of mine, who is into all kinds of esoteric facts, said it reminded her of Moulay Ismail, a terribly sadistic ruler in Morocco during the 17th century, who used to wear yellow as his "killing color". In turn, I pointed out that the family of Hassan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, came from Morocco. So, we both said, "Hmmm.." and left it at that.

Now yellow has popped up again, as a killing color. The 17-year old daughter of Mohamed Beltagy (a prominent member of the Brotherhood), was shot dead inside the Rabea camp. Her murder has been used to demonstrate the cruelty of the police, and as evidence of the 'massacre' that they supposedly carried out in emptying out the camp. Now, a video has emerged, showing the moment she was shot, and proving that she was coldly and callously targeted for assassination, almost certainly in order to exploit this truly ugly murder of a young girl:

The video is taken inside the camp; police have not yet entered, and a Muslim Brotherhood preacher is shouting curses and prayers through a loudspeaker. At the beginning of the video, a guy wearing yellow is holding up a sign, to the left of the screen, showing the girl's general position. A yellow bag has been placed on the ground right next to her, to identify her to the shooter. Another man bends over to pick up the bag, giving the shooter a clear shot. The second man is wearing a hat and a surgical face mask to obscure his identity. After the girl is shot, he calmly bends down and picks up the bag, looks around, then casually walks away.



I've seen two other videos, clearly showing 'inside job' assassinations by the Brotherhood, that they then exploited to prove their victimization by police or the military. I shared them on Facebook at the time, but that was a while ago and I'm having a hard time finding them again. As soon as I do, I'll post them here.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:09 am

Message to Mubarak from the Egyptian people (written by Bassem Kamel):

أنت من مهدت الطريق لكل هذا ..
تركت سيناء صحراء جرداء ليزرع فيها الارهاب
عقدت الصفقات مع تنظيم ارهابي لتجلس أنت و ابنك من بعدك على عرش مصر
أفقرت الشعب و جهلته .. فظنوا أن خلاصهم في يد جماعة ارهابية
أفسدت البلاد و العباد .. و لم تؤد الأمانة التي أمنك الله تعالى علينا
انبطحت و انصعت لأوامر الادارة الأمريكية .. و تركت تنظيما ارهابيا ينمو في الظلام و نحن من يدفع الثمن .
حتى لو القضاء اطلق سراحك انت المجرم الاصلي

You are the one who prepared the ground for all of this
You left Sinai a barren desert, so that terrorism could flourish there
You cut deals with a terrorist organization so that you, and your son after you, could remain on the throne of Egypt
You impoverished the people, and deprived them of education
So they sought salvation at the hands of a terrorist gang
You sowed corruption throughout the land and its people
And abused the people's trust that God enjoined you to hold sacred
You took your orders from the American administration
And allowed a terrorist gang to grow in the dark, and it is we who pay the price
Even if the judges release you from prison
You are the original criminal.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby conniption » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:39 am

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:18 pm

conniption » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:39 pm wrote:
The Excavator
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Five False Assumptions About The Coup In Egypt And Its Aftermath


Overall, especially in the current fog, that piece is like a breath of fresh air, conniption, though I do have a problem with a couple of things he says, including this:

The Egyptian military acted in the face of Morsi's hubris to preserve what they believe is an authentic, historic, and sovereign Egyptian state. They guessed the mood of the country correctly and removed Morsi from power who was overstepping his boundaries. This is a key point, because it's important to realize that Morsi was defying the will of Egyptians and its army. He was a revolutionary without an army or the people on his side, the dumbest kind of revolutionary.


They didn't have to "guess" anything; they made it very clear that they would do nothing unless the Egyptian people went out into the streets, across the country, to ask them to. That's why the June 30 and the even bigger July 3 demonstrations were so huge, breaking world records. The Egyptian people wanted to make their demand as unambiguous as possible.

But this is really, really wrong:

What's happening in Egypt and Syria are not massacres, they are violent skirmishes with one side obviously having more firepower than the other because it is a real army. The violent protesters in the Muslim Brotherhood are resisting despite being outgunned, that's brave and deserves to be respected, but, let's not fall into the delusion that they are trying to liberate Egypt from tyranny.


There's nothing brave and to be respected about terrorists burning churches and mosques, savagely killing ordinary civilians including children, torturing and mutilating people, burning down beautiful historic buildings, smashing ancient Egyptian antiquities, and inviting NATO to bomb and invade their country. They don't fight like men, they fight like the criminals, traitors and cowards they are. You know the 24 off-duty police conscripts they murdered a couple of days ago? The sole survivor among them turned out to be the filthy Muslim Brother who betrayed them to the killers. He found it ok to sacrifice his fellow conscripts, his bunk-mates, who ate together and trained together, who trusted each other, all of them so young. He was, however, upset that the filthy terrorists who murdered his colleagues didn't leave him unscathed, as promised, but shot him in the foot. They are predators; there's nothing respectable about the way they exploit the weak, the ignorant, the mentally ill, and use them as expendable drones on behalf of a foreign imperialist agenda.

Furthermore, what is the Muslim Brotherhood's "cause"? Religion? What religion is that? They violate the most sacred principles and values of Islam at whim, according to their selfish goals. Like the preacher who seduces a child, telling him or her that by pleasing him, she (or he) is pleasing God, religion is whatever they say it is. That's why they hate Al-Azhar so much, and all the real Islamic scholars, and appoint their own: two-bit con artists with no qualifications, for sale to the highest bidder. That's why when the Muslim Brotherhood was in power, they acted like drunk sailors who won a lottery, spending lavishly on themselves while Egyptians suffered and the economy hurtled toward total collapse. Under their rule, as they redecorated presidential residences and bought themselves enormous villas and cavalcades of specially-equipped BMWs and Mercedes and flew around on private jets, and decided important issues such as whether ballet should be banned for "indecency", or sending our own army to fight with the terrorists against the government of Syria, Egypt was well on the way to becoming a failed state, with all that implies in terms of hunger, disease, collapsing infrastructure and the loss of sovereignty over large areas of territory. The only thing they're "resisting" is the Egyptian people's will to survive and prosper as a free and sovereign nation.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:26 pm

Conniption, I just read another post on that Excavator blog, and couldn't believe how accurate he was, writing just over a year ago! Respect.

But even so, this exceptionally sharp analyst misses the ultimate goal of installing the Muslim Brotherhood in Sunni majority countries, given that the MB espouses a rabidly and violently sectarian narrative against Shi'ites, Christians and other minorities. We've already seen the disintegration of central states in Iraq and Libya and Sudan as a direct result of American intervention, especially through the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots, and how hard they've been working to replicate these "successes" in Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Jordan, etc. The ultimate goal is for the entire region to resemble a mosaic of weak, dependent and mutually hostile religious/ethnic mini-states unable to challenge America's and ultimately Israel's supremacy in the region.

They badly miscalculated, though, and when the Muslim Brotherhood is decisively defeated in Egypt, as it will be soon, this will send the dominoes falling in the other direction, creating a furious regional backlash against Western imperialism and its exposed agents, as well as the ultimate nightmare of Israel and its supporters, a resurgence of Arab nationalism. The process has already begun, and is gaining momentum. That is why the US and its Western allies are not willing to give up -- they have invested a huge amount of money and other resources over decades in this "new Sykes-Picot" and are now scrambling frantically to save whatever they can.


Written on June 24, 2012:


Whatever course Morsi decides to take Egypt in the coming months, it is already clear that his government will resemble a gang even more than the one currently in power. The only difference is that Washington wanted the Muslim Brotherhood on top in Egypt, so it won.

What does Morsi's win in Egypt mean for relations between the Western world and the Islamic world? I don't know. But say goodbye to the Arab Spring, and say hello to the Islamist Summer. Washington's Muslim Brotherhood is the new face of Egypt. In the past year, similar radical Islamist groups have taken over in Libya and Tunisia as the result of illegal Western interventions.

Well played, Washington, London, and Tel Aviv. Now you have your war against Islam. Now you can point at the bad guys, the rising Islamists, and tell your populations to hate and fear.

9/11 didn't do enough to stir the passions and subdue the Western mind under a dark cloud of terror. The rise of Islamists in the wake of the CIA's Arab Spring might do the trick. The West has the jitters now. The Muslim Brotherhood is in power. Oooooh, so scary. "Oh my God, not the Muslim Brotherhood. O' Government Master, please keep me safe from those bad guys. I'll do anything you want."

The success of the Muslim Brotherhood at the polls is a big win for the Israeli government, which was secretly supporting Morsi all along.

How does Israel win? It can identify the Muslim Brotherhood as a powerful enemy of Israel that's been democratically elected by Egyptian voters, and continue to portray Arabs as anti-Jewish extremists. Israel's PR machine was spinning into gear even before the votes were counted. Israel was like, "Let's go Muslim Brothers. Win, baby, win. Win so we can have war."

After helping Washington to put Islamic extremists in power across North Africa, Israel can say to the world, "Look, we're surrounded by our enemies, the rising Islamic extremists. Help! Help! I'm drowning! I'm drowning! Help!" And Washington will respond, "Oh, my dear Israel, you poor thing, here are more weapons for your new acts of aggression. Start new wars, as much as you like. We're right here behind you, and we're not going to let you drown."

Washington's new Islamist pawns in power in the Arab world could become very unpopular and an anti-Islamist coalition may rise and defeat them. Or not. The victory of the Muslim Brotherhood shows that America's last days in the heartland of Arabia are still very far away. Link
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:52 am


http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/eg ... ease-order

Egypt's prosecutor will not appeal Mubarak release order
On Wed, 21/08/2013 - 19:28

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A Mubarak loyalist raises his portrait as Mubarak's sixth session of his trial resumes on charges of killing protesters, Police Academy, New Cairo, September 11, 2011. Ex president Hosni Mubarak, his sons, Alaa and Gamal, ex Interior Minister Habib al-Adly, and six of his aides are tried on charges of killing protesters, financial corruption and power abuse.

Egypt's prosecutor will not appeal against a court ruling ordering the release of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak from jail, the prosecutor overseeing the case said on Wednesday.

"The decision to release Mubarak issued today ... is final and the prosecution cannot appeal against it," Judge Ahmed el-Bahrawi said.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:11 am

Funny you should post this specific article, Jack, because I sent Egypt Independent an angry letter yesterday, accusing them of poor journalism at best, and deliberate disinformation at worst. They mislead the reader into assuming that the prosecutor has dropped the charges against Mubarak and that he is free as a bird, when that is not true. Mubarak faces a long list of charges, some of them very serious and some of them really dumb and trivial, like this latest one in which he was found not guilty, for things like receiving free watches from the corporation that owns the state-owned newspaper Al-Ahram, etc.

Under Egyptian law, a conviction is not final until the appeals process has been exhausted. Mubarak has already been convicted and sentenced to life in prison for the murder of unarmed demonstrators, but he is appealing this ruling, so he was being held in jail, not serving his life sentence yet. Also according to Egyptian law, the maximum period a defendant can be held in jail without a final conviction is two years. This two-year period ended today.

As I said, Mubarak still faces some very serious charges, in addition to having been convicted for murder, so he's hardly home free. The judges were forced to release him by law, until his next trial, which if I'm not mistaken, should be in early or mid-September. Furthermore, our current president took advantage of the current one-month state of emergency to place Mubarak under house arrest (this could apply either to his residence or to a hospital or other health facility if necessary). Personally, I don't like that and consider it to be an abuse of emergency law and a violation of Mubarak's rights.

But I can understand the political reasons for doing so: the pressure on the government is unbelievable. Besides, Mubarak is 85 years old and in very poor health. It's not like he was going anywhere.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:19 am

Another video exposing Al-Jazeera's lies. Here, the correspondent from the Brotherhood's "Al Rasd" network, Abdel-Rahman Ezz, is phoning in to Al-Jazeera, reporting on what's happening in the Rabea camp as police forces enter. Shouting above the sound of the police warning sirens, he begins by yelling, "God help us! God help us!" and describes military fighter planes bombarding Egyptian citizens with tear gas and live gun-fire from the sky, and that he's surrounded by dead bodies and blood and wounded civilians. He says that most injuries are in the throat and head, and that the military is shooting dead anybody who tries to help the wounded or move them to the field hospital. The guy who's prompting him starts smiling at around 30 seconds. He reports that Egyptians are gathering all over the country to wreak revenge against "the traitor, Al-Sisi". He says, "I have never seen anything like this except on television, when the Israelis were bombing in Palestine and when the Americans bombed Iraq," then: "Al-Sisi is killing the Egyptian people."

Of course, there were no military planes, no 'massacre'; indeed the army was not involved and it was the police who broke up the camp, as anybody can see who witnessed the operation on live television or in real life (after all, the Rabea camp was set up in the middle of a residential neighborhood, not some out-of-the-way desert). The shooting of live bullets came from the terrorists in the camp. But even with such obviously baseless lies and outrageous fabrications, for some reason, the Western media had no problem reporting them as fact, and the Western audiences have had no problem believing what they're told.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:23 am

But even with such obviously baseless lies and outrageous fabrications, for some reason, the Western media had no problem reporting them as fact, and the Western audiences have had no problem believing what they're told.


Again, I've seen this going both ways. Tamarood was without a doubt initially greeted.

You yourself are saying there is a widespread and persistent campaign to make things appear different than they are. If so, confusion on the part of Westerners (and others) may be forgivable.

For example, and stop me if I'm misunderstanding you: Your reading of the MB's history is that it's been set up by deep state or parapolitical elements in the United States itself, with the intent that MB movements will take power in Arab countries and serve US-Israeli interests -- mainly by weakening these nations and helping to break them up.

At the same time, you seem to be saying they despise human freedom and appear to hate everything halfway liberated about the West, and thus act as the perfect enemy the West needs to justify an interventionist policy and the high military budgets that go with it.

Am I getting that right? It's hardly implausible.

However, if all that is really so, then the policy is devised and steered within an elite and secretive circle. It's not official public policy, it's not policy as taught at universities or think tanks, and it's supposed to be contrary to public perception of what is happening.

The Western media, whether or not they are partly or wholly in on the trick, should therefore be celebrating the MB's fall (which sometimes they do and sometimes they don't). There are roughly two poles: Either these media are part of the plot to present MB as the desired enemy (just as Al-Qaeda certainly was constructed for a similar purpose). If they are not part of the plot, then they are presumably being duped into thinking of MB as the enemy of the West.

Either way, these Western media wouldn't openly support MB. And yet you say they do. So why?

You should consider my own view, that the Western media presentation has not been uniform at all, and both pro and anti MB, pro and anti military, pro and anti revolution. In part this reflects the fact that the West has lost control over the Egyptian narrative.

What you seem to be describing with regard to how the MB is supposed to work for "the West" (or its elites) is what I would call a species of confusionist strategy. Things are presented as their opposites. Definitions are deliberately kept unstable. A general anxiety is created wherein reality itself becomes uncertain, in theory causing most people to reach for the easiest solutions.

During a real crisis, such a strategy is prone to spiral out of control. I think actually we're seeing evidence of that. There is no solid line about the Egyptian events in Western policy or Western media. Right now it looks like Western interests are guessing the present government is the winner and warily trying to make friends with it.

Here's where I think we can agree: From my great distance here, and acknowledging my relative ignorance, it looks like the Egyptian people themselves, without prompting from the army or elites (with the exception of a few mostly principled liberal elements), produced an enormous uprising against the MB. The military was forced by the people to make a decision they did not originally plan. They had to either depose the MB or crush the June uprising.

Here's where we probably disagree: It looks to me like the military ran ahead of events and is clamping down not only on MB but also on the revolutionary and labor movements (after all, the military has been suppressing the latter all along, usually with MB's approval). It looks like they are establishing a new, updated, modern-looking version of the ancien regime. You don't have to believe any MB lies to believe that. Nor need Mubarak's release into house arrest have any particular significance (although the timing appears to make it highly symbolic. Sorry abou that.)

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Elvis » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:36 pm

Alice, thank you very much for reporting to us from Egypt, I'd been hoping to hear from you about what's going on there. Please keep us posted as you can, best wishes.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby slimmouse » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:47 pm

I personally see abslolutely no reason to contradict Alices interpretation of events.

Morsi's "religious" gangs and party who are now being sympathetically treated by the Western 4th estate are surely working for the same team that is in action in Syria.

I see this situation as a few super rich fucks, who are just showing the people at the top of the current Egyptian political vacuum that they arent playing softball here.

Fortunately however, It appears that the Egyptian people are nothing close to as ignorant of how this is all going down at the top end as most of the rest of us are.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby justdrew » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:48 pm

but the rank and file of the MB are Egyptians too. This is exactly how they see it playing out in the US. Substitute the vast array of mind-controlled Christians and you're looking at exactly what they'd LOVE to get going here. Just cross out the M and write in a C. Their window to act is closing as their population ages out. With luck their day will not come, but if "Joel's Army" or whatever of the many such groups decided to do their own "occupy" movement, all fully armed, which is their "right" how would the police respond, vs beating up on principally non-violent unarmed protestors?
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