Rockefellers Funded Terence McKenna?

[Pissed Off Cabbie]

I just posted without seeing the two posts before it, so I'll answer here.<br><br>CSETI was very cult-like in the way it recruited members, and created an us-against-the-world mentality. We were on an all-consuming mission, and those who were not believers were estranged from you. Greer was, of course, a charismatic and infallible figure-head who demanded loyalty. I was recruited for my activist background, with the hope that I would spread the word in activist fashion, and help craft a grassroots movement, as it were. Rockefeller was buying this movement, and it was that knowledge that allowed me to see through the game. My friends had all said that I was in a cult, and they were right.<br><br>As for Dr. John Mack, any respect he gets should send up red flags. He handily left out of his book the testimony of some of his "clients" who strayed from his favored alien-abduction scenario to say that they were actually kidnapped by men in military uniforms and put into dark-colored vans instead of spacecraft. I see this ruse as a cover for the experimentation with implants, and MK-ultra in general, and for the exotic technology we've been sitting on since the late 40's. The alien scenes are screen memories, of course. False memories are a hallmark of MK-ultra programming. Those who would deny that should peruse the successful lawsuit filed against the CIA by Canadian citizens.<br><br>I knew an aquaintance of Dr. Mack's son, Tony, who had said that his father left his wife for a hot, young abductee, and was fond of doing LSD, and giving it to his "clients". It sounds like another mid-life crisis run amok, but one enabled by $250,000 a year from Uncle Rocky, so it certainly had to have been purposeful.<br><br>Judging from a lack of dynamic events in the alien/UFO field over the last decade, I'd say that game is played out, and no longer of use to the PTB. If implants are to be widely deployed, then the next step would probably be a pandemic, and mandatory vaccinations. If so, I'll be passing on mine, no matter the cost.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

POC,<br><br>Thanks for the link to the Eye of Horus in the newsletter. A piece of the bigger picture, perhaps. On the other hand, it's been a popular symbol in the new age/esoteric community for a long time, and the CIIS is very new age.<br><br>I don't have any desire to represent Laurance as an innocuous old tycoon. I would like to see if there's actual evidence for believing that his interest in UFOs and the paranormal was part of a plan to foster the growth of cults. I'd like to separate myth from reality, if possible.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Globalization, and an eventual one-world government are the goals, and a one-world religion based on occultic beliefs are part-and-parcel of it.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>If that's the agenda, it seems to be failing -- monotheism is all the rage the last time I looked, and the current fascist regime in the U.S. sure seems to be pushing hardcore, dominionist Christianity. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>t's interesting to note that most of the same "new-age" subjects so dear to Laurance were very popular in Germany in the 30's. What an amazing coincidence. But, if something works once, it's bound to work again.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There might be a connection. But the current strain of fascism infecting the U.S. is the antithesis of "new age." UFO cults are not popular by any stretch of the imagination. If Laurance's goal was to institute an occultic one-world religion for the PTB, he failed miserably.<br><br>It's tempting to believe the man was a devious manipulator of UFO research. It's tempting to believe he had a sinister agenda. It might be true. I'm not convinced yet. <br><br>Beyond that, I am very interested in your experiences at CSETI. Can you talk about it? If not, it's certainly understandable. <p></p><i></i>

[Pissed Off Cabbie]

It may well be that the Rockefeller Agenda has been side-tracked, or amended to fit the changing times. But, I'm willing to bet that the next administration will be more in line with it. The neocons may have been a step back to leap, and a bad-cop that will be disposed of shortly. The work of gaining a foothold in the Middle East, and driving the price of oil sky-high, and ushering in a police-state mentality has been achieved, and now it's time for the good-cop democrats to come and restore order, so to speak. Let me remind you that Hillary Clinton and David Rockefeller worked together to implement Goals 2000, the outcome-based education program responsible for our current dumbed-down school-to-work education system. See Charlotte Iserbyt's book The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America for details. <br><br>As for CSETI, there probably isn't much that I can tell you that you don't already know. "Working groups" were formed, and sent out into the field to perform the CSETI protocols to call down aliens. I was a co-leader of one such group, and there was quite a light display put on for us. No structured craft, but lights were perhaps holographic in nature. <br><br>There was a lot of intrigue, with Greer's co-founder Sherri dying of cancer, and Greer's bout with it, courtesy of his enemies, all of which seemed to just be so much drama. It's possible that Greer was unwitting, but I'll never know for sure. It was very impressive that he got an audience with the sitting director of the CIA and such, and his role was not insignificant. I met him only once when he came to this area to speak to a casually-assembled group. Held sway by my belief in aliens, I was not so objective at the time. <br><br>It's possible that a fake alien invasion/assimilation was planned by the elites, but then shelved for being too difficult to carry out. Project Blue Beam comes to mind. It was probably all too elaborate, and, if a failure, a Plan B would be equally difficult to implement. Or, it was all a big diversion to keep sleuths from focussing on the implant and mind-control scenario itself. The 50 or so dead microbiologists over the last 5 years speaks volumes to a possible pandemic, which may be in the offing, so I'm watching this development like a hawk. <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

I've written a lot about this, POC. I'm quite convinced that there is an agenda, but one that doesn't make sense. I don't think it's as simple as "founding a 'one-world' government". It's something more complex than that. It could simply be a matter of various experiments in psychological and social control (see Jonestown, for example). And I've had to consider Pan's idea that maybe Rockefeller (and don't forget his buddy Maurice Strong) just believe in this stuff and want to explore it. That's possible, I suppose. Many of the Nazi's believed in Thule, so why not?<br><br>The weird thing is that I find deep strains of this thought within ostensibly opposing camps. I find straight up fascist, racial occult thought out there in one strain (think David Icke before he replaced Jews with reptiles) and another strain of New Age "celebration of diversity", but with the same spiritual underpinnings. I've written about Alexander Dugin, the Russian leader (now presenting himself as Orthodox) who wrote of how the "left hand path" was the only true path and how he ostensibly, and perhaps genuinely, opposes the George Soros globalization agenda. But you find the same sorts of spiritual themes within Soros funded groups, Rockefeller supported groups and groups like Gorbachev's State of the World Forum as you do in the more overtly fascist occult movements. It's pretty complex.<br><br>The other thing that confuses me is whether the CONTENT of this thought is important or just the fact that factions of the uber-elite want a belief system that is under their control. If they had sufficient control over Christianity, for example, would that serve as well, or is it important to them that people believe the particular sorts of things being promoted?<br><br>I think Jeff might see a battle that goes beyond the material realm...and I don't rule that out. If any of this stuff actually works, then naturally they'd want in.<br><br>But there's lots of room to speculate without even assuming that. Look at the basic content of this thought. It boils down to: catastrophe is coming on a global scale and there's nothing we can do about it but trust that (insert name of spiritually enlightened or extraterrestrial group) will save us. <br><br>I think also that many strains of New Age thought really discourage collective political action. We "make our own reality" or fulfill our karma...so if you are living in the ghetto, don't ask what the system is doing wrong, as what YOU are doing wrong, or DID wrong in a former life.<br><br>I think that another way the elite agenda is served is in downplaying rationality and the idea of objective reality. I say this with great personal fascination with all sorts of theories, spiritual and physical, that question our understanding of objective reality...I'm not a Vulcan...really. But without collective agreement on our basic reality how can we all possibly work together toward a better one?<br><br>Overall, I find much of New Age thought, with its emphasis on personal reality and personal power, to be very DISempowering. Either collective actions don't matter on the one hand, or they are futile on the other. Who, after all, could possibly oppose the sinister alien agenda?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I think also that many strains of New Age thought really discourage collective political action. We "make our own reality" or fulfill our karma...so if you are living in the ghetto, don't ask what the system is doing wrong, as what YOU are doing wrong, or DID wrong in a former life.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yeah, don't get me started on that one. The YCYR (You Create Your Reality) people, particularly the ones who take it very literally, drive me up the wall. I asked one YCYR proponent if he would tell grieving parents that their child had chosen to come into the world only to die of cancer. "Absolutely," he said. I told him he'd better wear some good running shoes.<br><br>And though I do appreciate some strains of new age thinking (concern for planetary issues, emphasis on the oneness of humans, and honor for indigenous cultures and their wisdom), as you and POC have both pointed out, the root of many new age beliefs is in fascist, racist ideology. And hardcore new agers are often the fuzziest of thinkers, abandoning logical, empirical analysis for "whatever you believe in." As such, they're easy targets of disinformation.<br><br>But it appears that New Age thinking as waned post-9/11, except for mediumship and Wicca. In the 80s and 90s you could find New Age expos in most cities, but not anymore. The shelving in chain bookstores set aside for new age books have shrunk. There's an occasional commercial success (such a What the Bleep?), but no return of blockbusters like "The Celestine Prophecy." So while I'm sympathetic to POC's viewpoint, I don't see much chance of a one-world, new age belief system taking hold in the U.S. I fear the monotheist fundies much more than harebrained new agers.<br><br>And I'm also suspect of the idea that globalist elites want to impose a cultish, new age religion because of the source of that idea -- fundamentalist religious groups. And often those groups are transparently anti-Semitic. <p></p><i></i>