Journalist Michael Hastings is dead at 33

[82_28]

Barracuda, is my point completely lost on you? Is it too far out there? There is precisely nothing "normal" about this ongoing saga given the gravity of the consequences. We are all very right to question everything this issue entails. Have you ever watched Masterpiece Mysteries? That shit makes my skin crawl because I feel like I need to get beyond what the storyteller is telling. It upsets me and it's only a mostly well done British TV show aired here on PBS. If they can engage you in a TV mystery or a video game with mystery and of course books, why can it not be concocted that you overlay another layer of this false reality only this is real? Same brains, same existence, same ongoing war crimes, crimes of finance and cruelty. You couldn't write Hastings' death any better into a book. This is why I err on the side of the conspiracy -- because it could not be written any better.

[barracuda]

Barracuda, is my point completely lost on you? Is it too far out there?

No, i get you. What I'm saying is that this:

My going theory of most possible is that he pulled the emergency brake because he had lost control of the car causing it to spin out control while acceleration was still imposed upon the drivetrain. Add to that the possibility of some sort of incendiary.

...requires teamwork which includes a large group of persons. You can't hack and explode an automobile without the knowledge of the police investigators. That shit leaves traces. There's zero reason for the mention of meth rather than Adderall on the tox report outside of making Hastings look like a tweaker. This is not a one man job, not even close. If it's a hit, there's a committee involved, an organizational structure. And you'd might as well try and visualize and understand that structure as thoroughly as possible if that's what you believe. Otherwise, you're simply kowtowing to the awesome superpowers of the perps. Which is just what they'd like.

[tapitsbo]

the committee may be compartmentalized, compomised... and all the trouble is worth it to them if the point is to test and create fear of "superpowers"

[barracuda]

Fair enough, but don't expect me to cower in awe until I've actually viewed Green Lantern's Starheart Power Ring. These are people, doing things people can do.

[82_28]

Unrelated mob hits have been done. Presidential hits have been done. They took down a few towers in front of our faces a number of years ago. Anything is possible. Hastings was an "easy" hit, but my point is purpose. He was expendable in the sense that it CONFOUNDS (not shouting), but it confounds rather than explain, which seems to be the MO. I hate to even say it again and I don't want to be a broken record, but I feel it was the application of a double bind. Yes indeed, a double bind. There exists a force that wants us to believe something unbelievable and yet believe that it is unbelievable. That's my point. I don't ever deceive but know exactly how to do so. I choose the right route. You know what I am saying?

However, he was indeed an attractive target to knock off in order to perpetuate crimes and fear and putting a stake into the heart of journalism at all. To make us all finally give up and let them do what they do. Truth is, it's only the Bringers of Sadness and they know who they are and they know some of us are impervious. This is unacceptable to the Bringers of Sadness.

[coffin_dodger]

There exists a force that wants us to believe something unbelievable and yet believe that it is unbelievable.

A force that can relay messages by proxy, hinting, hinting, always hinting - but cannot overtly show it's hand, because it's entire existence hinges on remaining invisible? Something like that?

[82_28]

Yes. The occult. The whole point of occult cred is being hidden.

[82_28]

Which brings me to, WTF happened to "Occult Means Hidden"?

[Iamwhomiam]

Lord Balto wrote,

Rent a car or call a cab? Neither would have helped. Hastings was most likely was under near continuous surveillance. And he wasn't paranoid, he was rightfully scared for his life.

The 35mph speed was supposedly determined through careful analysis of some film footage. If it's actually true, I'd like to hear the explanation for how the engine and transmission wound up 150 feet down forward of where the car came to rest.

It's called a bomb. Great for faking plane crashes and collecting on insurance. Nice for getting rid of whistle blowers too. Are you folks this naive at this point in the history of the Empire?

Lord Balto, It might be wise to review the thread before suggesting someone's naive, I suggest you review the 6th comment on page one of this thread.

Forgetting, thank you for refreshing my memory of what I'd forgotten, that the film analysis had been reported by Dvorak and for explaining about the shutter speed differences, which makes sense as an explanation for understanding the speed vs results conflict. He was indeed, as I believe we all felt, based upon the eye witness report, that Hastings was traveling at high speed.

I'd be sure that if he was slipped a mickey shirley temple the chemicals used would be undetectable. I wonder exactly what tests the pathologist performed?

[Iamwhomiam]

82-28 wrote,
I'll say it again. My going theory of most possible is that he pulled the emergency brake because he had lost control of the car causing it to spin out control while acceleration was still imposed upon the drivetrain.

This was a new Mercedes and it would not pull one side to another unless one of the two emergency brake lines had been severed. There would still be tension on the good side, so you wouldn't notice its defect.

Noting what you wrote, barracuda,
"...requires teamwork which includes a large group of persons. You can't hack and explode an automobile without the knowledge of the police investigators. That shit leaves traces. There's zero reason for the mention of meth rather than Adderall on the tox report outside of making Hastings look like a tweaker. This is not a one man job, not even close. If it's a hit, there's a committee involved, an organizational structure. And you'd might as well try and visualize and understand that structure as thoroughly as possible if that's what you believe. Otherwise, you're simply kowtowing to the awesome superpowers of the perps. Which is just what they'd like."

And granting at least momentarily for arguments sake that it was an assassination, it would indeed need to be a large organization comprised of many not known to each other but whom are linked together by a few contacts and perhaps some oath, perverse or not.

So let's suppose that while it was Hastings who brought down McCrystal, perhaps Hastings was merely a willing or unwitting tool of some who had it in for McCrystal with the power to orchestrate such a conspiracy, with it and all the actors parts well defined as "friend," "girlfriend" or "wife." "They" set up Hastings to take down McCrystal, he did and now it's best to be rid of him. Rewards for every actor for now with a terrible car wreck to look forward to.

I dunno, anything's possible. Daily the world grows more bizarre. If the cops and the pathologist were crooked, there's no guarantee at all that the body was Hastings. Hastings may be locked in McCrystal's basement where the general can 'play' with him at his leisure until he can play no more.

I think it was the Masons!

[Project Willow]

I've abused a wide, wide variety of amphetamines, street and scrip. You won't convince me that doing so has no effect on judgement and reflex, even days after last consumption, even after intoxication seems to have gone. Add to that the known, admitted aspect of Hastings' addiction, and it gets worse, because the addiction compounds effects during intoxication and withdrawal.

I would never try to convince you, but are these effects documented somewhere in the medical literature? Do the drugs affect everyone the same way? Sincerely asking.

Brothers sent to LA before hit to fake "intervention" story.

Not necessary.

Why not?

It's not necessary to bolster the toxicology report or its being overblown in the press. Hastings was public about his addiction, so the suspicion is there regardless of bro's trip. I can imagine relatives being concerned at his behavior and also, misunderstanding and/or mislabeling it.

- LoudLab paparazzi sent to film Hastings car running red.

Not necessary.

Why not? Remember, the paparazzi was out at that time due to a tip regarding Justin Bieber.

If there are perps, they probably enjoyed the film, but I have to turn this around to you, why do you think having video of his speeding is necessary? In some senses it would be easier for the whole thing to have gone down without any witnesses.
While we're speculating, here's another potential scenario, they pulled him into the labs and programmed him to wreck his car. The crash occurred right at the end of prime operational time, 4:30am. I find this one unlikely however. If you're going to go to that kind of trouble, just gin him up.

- LoudLab video altered.

- Jose Rubalcava given fake story to sell to reporters.

- Pizzeria video hacked and altered.

- All other possible surveillance covered.

Not necessary.

If you accept Rubalcava's story, the explosion happened after he hit the tree.[/quote]

Yes, along with some sparks as he accelerated and hit bumps in the road. I'm not certain at all that explosives are necessary, whether they go off on impact or before. I mean, couldn't a stuck accelerator and nicked fuel line produce the same results? I don't know. There are too many unknowns, but there's some good info that if triangulated might suggest one likely scenario above another.

Pressuring LAPD is not some anomalous or extraordinary thing, the department is a veritable arm of the security apparatus, IMO. The corporate press is going to do what it always does, for myriad reasons, most of which do not require secret threats or phone calls.

Totally agree, but it goes on the "to-do" list, right?

As for the PD, the to-do would consist of writing a name, a code line, and sending that to one person. Mainstream media takes care of itself, mirroring the values of its bosses, and well conditioned to flinch in response to the word "conspiracy".

The mention of methamphetamine on the tox report means one of two things: Hastings was doing crank, or the report was fudged. Take your pick. Personally I'm very, very doubtful he was a crankster. It strikes me as character assassination, whether or not it was a hit.

Wait, what? I thought you mentioned Adderol, does taking that make him a crankster? Granted, I know very little about those sorts of intoxicants/meds.

[Nordic]

Cuda, actually all the info on hacking a car says it doesn't leave any traces.

So you're just wrong about that.

And I love your strawman attack on me with the OMG SHEEPLE shit.

I want sober analysis, too, but that's not what you do. You take on an aggressive, insulting tone with damn near every post you make.

[barracuda]

I've abused a wide, wide variety of amphetamines, street and scrip. You won't convince me that doing so has no effect on judgement and reflex, even days after last consumption, even after intoxication seems to have gone. Add to that the known, admitted aspect of Hastings' addiction, and it gets worse, because the addiction compounds effects during intoxication and withdrawal.

I would never try to convince you, but are these effects documented somewhere in the medical literature? Do the drugs affect everyone the same way? Sincerely asking.

No, they don't affect everyone in the same way, but they do affect everyone in some way. See: http://www.intheknowzone.com/substance- ... fects.html

It's not necessary to bolster the toxicology report or its being overblown in the press. Hastings was public about his addiction, so the suspicion is there regardless of bro's trip. I can imagine relatives being concerned at his behavior and also, misunderstanding and/or mislabeling it.

He either relapsed or he didn't. If he didn't, then the brothers trip had an ulterior motive.

why do you think having video of his speeding is necessary? In some senses it would be easier for the whole thing to have gone down without any witnesses.

Sure. I'm examining the idea tendered by Forgetting2 and explored by Lord Balto that the pizzeria video was probably Zaprudered in some fashion. If it were, it would trigger a further group of accomplices: the muscle to turn Nancy Silverton and Michael Krikorian, the tech to alter the tape and the supervisors for oversight. If it was a hit called for by the level of Brennan, surely the released surveillance tapes would be in some way accounted for and controlled.

I'm not certain at all that explosives are necessary, whether they go off on impact or before. I mean, couldn't a stuck accelerator and nicked fuel line produce the same results? I don't know.

It would depend upon just how certain you'd want to be of the driver's demise.

As for the PD, the to-do would consist of writing a name, a code line, and sending that to one person. Mainstream media takes care of itself, mirroring the values of its bosses, and well conditioned to flinch in response to the word "conspiracy".

When you consider the informal gag order supposedly placed upon police and firefighter wrt the crash, you have to think a bit bigger than that, I'd say. But seeing as how that tidbit sources to Kimberly Dvorak, I'm inclined to disregard it entirely.

The Young Turks segments linked to by luv2dive demonstrate a remarkably consistent headline narrative across the media expanse.

Wait, what? I thought you mentioned Adderol, does taking that make him a crankster? Granted, I know very little about those sorts of intoxicants/meds.

GC-MS testing can spot the difference between amphetamine and psuedoephedrine. I do not think it can tell if meth was the amphetamine culprit rather than Adderol. In any case, if meth was demonstrably present, no ambiguity about that would be expected in the tox report.

[barracuda]

Cuda, actually all the info on hacking a car says it doesn't leave any traces.

So you're just wrong about that.

Maybe. But explosives most certainly do. And if you control the narrative to the extent of characterising Hastings as a tweaker in the official tox report, I assume it doesn't matter what the hell is found in the wreckage. You own it all, basically.

And I love your strawman attack on me with the OMG SHEEPLE shit.

I want sober analysis, too, but that's not what you do. You take on an aggressive, insulting tone with damn near every post you make.

Love ya right back, bro.

[8bitagent]

I'll take Biggs over Hasting's widow anyday...there's just something so, what's the word I'm looking for? I don't want to say fake, but that "produced" personality. Even a lot of Manhattan wealthy socialites seem more personable. It's often the TV personalities that have this. See the Russel Brand on MSNBC clip and what he contrasts against.

Unrelated mob hits have been done. Presidential hits have been done. They took down a few towers in front of our faces a number of years ago. Anything is possible. Hastings was an "easy" hit, but my point is purpose. He was expendable in the sense that it CONFOUNDS (not shouting), but it confounds rather than explain, which seems to be the MO. I hate to even say it again and I don't want to be a broken record, but I feel it was the application of a double bind. Yes indeed, a double bind. There exists a force that wants us to believe something unbelievable and yet believe that it is unbelievable. That's my point. I don't ever deceive but know exactly how to do so. I choose the right route. You know what I am saying?

However, he was indeed an attractive target to knock off in order to perpetuate crimes and fear and putting a stake into the heart of journalism at all. To make us all finally give up and let them do what they do. Truth is, it's only the Bringers of Sadness and they know who they are and they know some of us are impervious. This is unacceptable to the Bringers of Sadness.

Right, you're saying IF these things are a conspiracy, they have to have a real extra punch. Planes smacking buildings on live tv/explosion/collapse. Hastings doesnt just crash, he ends up in a massive fireball.
JFK's head blown off in the middle of downtown Dallas in front of everyone.

I guess what can be said is that everything has worked out pretty well for THEY, regardless if this was an accident.
Hastings is dead. Manning is away. US and UK are working tough on Greenwald. Snowden, ever the cipher,
seems irrelevant. That famous hacker guy set to speak at DEFCON is dead. Aaron Swarz is dead. A bunch of recent
whistleblowers are also now locked up. And Scahill, great as he is, seems like the James Carville guy now...the "Safe"
guy to have to spar with right wingers on tv.