American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:40 pm wrote:AD, you see anything Ickean or remotely connected in your mind with Icke as anti-Semitic.
These are
your words. To me they are grossly distorted. Is that deliberate?
** You have referred in this thread to Icke, O'Keefe, Ron Paul, Chris Bollyn, far right, White Nationalists and Oathkeepers and the Zeitgeist movement(!) as being in the same category.
You use the phrase 'anti-Semitic' THREE TIMES more than anyone else. 323 times.
You refer to Icke [b]more than anyone else on the board[/b]. 431 times
Yes- we have had a lot of heat around these issues and much less light than I would have hoped. However, you are not going to shame me about taking the position I do on what is supposed to be an anti-racist, anti-fascist board.
** The heat wasnt always less than the light in the past.
I am not 'shameing' you about anything and I'm sorry if that is how my words landed with you. I'm not criticising what you think, nor denying that that is your clear perception, nor dissing your right to express it. I was providing factual data - and the facts are that both Icke and anti-semitism, judging by wordcount, are way bigger issue for you than anyone else. I am not saying they shouldnt be or you are wrong or passing judgement on it, just that they are.
The number of times that myself or slad would be talking about Icke would probably be tiny, but you turn every thread about them into 'anti-Semitism', whether by intention or not.
Icke is just the canary in the coal mine, as I have said many times before. However, slimmouse is sure to keep posting questionable stuff and you and slad are sure to jump in to defend.
* I dont *know* what that expression means in this context
Etymology
An allusion to caged canaries (birds) that mining workers would carry down into the mine tunnels with them. If dangerous gases such as methane or carbon monoxide leaked into the mine, the gases would kill the canary before killing the miners, thus providing a warning to exit the tunnels immediately.
Noun: canary in a coal mine (plural canaries in a coal mine)
(idiomatic) Something whose sensitivity to adverse conditions makes it a useful early indicator of such conditions; something which warns of the coming of greater danger or trouble by a deterioration in its health or welfare.
Icke gets killed before worse things happen??
You also give a free pass to people like MiB, whose materialist reductionist bollocks worldview I would suggest is much more of a threat in the world than Annunaki.
Slippery slope- regarding what
you could be accused of giivng a free pass to- and really most all of us.
** Sorry - that one I call BS. I raised a point that all the whol paraculture community is probably greatly outnumbered in power, political reach and resources by people like that. RI is NOT another version of fucking JREF. IIRC Our host here was legally threatened by Randi's crew.
I dont give anything I detest a free pass, but I say it once and then stop banging the fuck on about it. If I didnt like you attitude to Buddhists and thought it sucked and was not right for this board, I wouldnt follow around every post that you did about the subject.
This is ALSO a paraculture and general weirdness board as well.
I think there isnt a person on or who reads RI who isnt aware of your position or has been for years.
Another slippery slope- same would hold true for so many. Are these selective/slippery slope arguments also deliberate? Do you intend to apply them equally to yourself and others?
**Again, I dont understand your use of that expression
(idiomatic) A chain of events that, once initiated, cannot be halted; especially one in which the final outcome is undesirable or precarious.
I think basing your actions off an assumption like that is a slippery slope that is going to get you in trouble.
An argument that follows a chain of events or causes and effects to some conclusion.
I am not aware of any other threads which have created the same degree of bad feeling.
You have been posting a megathread on TIDS and other people have (pretty much) just left it alone. You plug Icke threads get plugged into 'anti-Semitism' a la ADL; pseudoskepticism a la MiB; the meta-conflict on R.I. about dissociation from those whose views we disagree with vs not;
So I see you being left respectfully to your own TIDS area, yet when others post anything with 'Six Degrees of D.I.' you go into 'anti-Semitic' mode. Always.
Firstly, the TIDS thread is more of an exploration than a polemic and possibly less controversial. Secondly, I
am going to notice when slim starts a fundraising thread for David Icke. Thirdly, you are making it all about Icke and all about anti-Semitism- this is a gross distortion. Also your ADL intimations are
sleazy. Is that deliberate too?
** I shall respond to each -
First re TIDS
Sorry, but speaking subjectively and only for myself, that is utter pants.
The TIDS thread is WAY more controversial, difficult, thought provoking, reframing and mental model changeing than talking about Annu-bloody-naki legends or paraculture.
Specifically for myself, I found that large areas of spiritual practice (that I had unconsciously though were free from such things - were actually affected by the most heinous issues of child abuse, across cultures or were involved in horrible militarism (Zen).
In response to your points:
Second,
I appreciate that you will notice ANYTHING related to Icke. Some of us at RI did not share your perception that slim was fundraising for Icke, others did. FWIW I dont think he was deliberately.
Third
Respectfully, given the you are the number one re 'anti-semitism' and 'Icke' on RI, I'm unclear how it is me that is making it just about those things.
I would like to see a 'truce'
So a question to ask yourself is... why did there used to be really rare short sharp multi-viewpoint Icke threads that finished without a board meltdown or lasting rancour - and now they last a month, end up causing huge conflict and strife and a huge waste of time and attention which (I assert) would be far better used in other ways?
From my perspective it has a lot to do with endlessly being (falsely) accused of having zionist sympathies, of caring only about
one holocaust, and being subjected to endless signal jamming attacks, where low content/meaningless posts are perpetually added (apparently) just to shut things down- or maybe just to make the signal to noise ratio really, really bad. And, unfortunately, I think we all know who is responsible for those sorts of actions- which are endless.
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