How to Overthrow the Illuminati

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:58 pm

MacCruiskeen » Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:43 pm wrote:Oh ffs, "Conspirituality" again. Complete with 36 footnotes. You have copied-and-pasted that godawful screed before, quite recently too, and it doesn't improve with repetition.

AmericanDream wrote:This stuff is really deep


Deeply shallow, profoundly superficial, and abysmally reactionary. It is a solemnly stupid potpourri of tendentious and thoughtstopping conflations, all in the service of entrenched power. It is worse than a waste of time.


he just won't stop :roll:

do I get a pass for pulling my hair out? :P

I think he thinks we are all extremely stupid and needs to keep repeating things over and over and over again to get through to the masses
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:14 pm

If the Illuminati existed and I were an agent of it - and it was my job to keep our secrets from word and thought, this thread would serve as an excellent example of how to derail discussion about us.

Of course, were I Illuminati, disseminating the disinformation that the jewish people are the Illuminati would also serve me well - the revulsion of anti-semetism engrained in society will ensure very few further enquiries would be made.

Indeed, the veracity with which unpaid, non-vested-interest 'deniers of the Illuminati' operate is something to behold, when considering, in their own minds, it doesn't exist. Were I Illuminati, this would please me greatly.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby DrEvil » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:19 pm

Searcher08 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:24 pm wrote:You seem to be a real defender of the Rothschilds, AD
They are Zionists, btw Empirically, using the observation skills of my eyeballs, the Israeli Supreme Court building is full of Masonic symbolism. Pyramid with all-seeing eyes and all that.
Have you ever been to their website? Have you ever visited their archive?
Cos all I ever here from you about them is cryptic metaphors about me 'needing to pay more attention to the forest rather than the trees'.
For someone who wanted empirical data, to me anyway, you appear to get bored with it when it points away from your position.


This is a pretty broad generalization, isn't it? All Rothschilds are Zionists? How do you "prove" that empirically? There's more than one Rothschild family, and Mayer Amschel Rothschild had five kids. There's a lot of them.

As for Masonic symbolism - have you looked at a dollar bill lately? Or the street layout of DC?
It's all over the place, and hardly unique to Israel.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:21 pm

DrEvil » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:19 pm wrote:As for Masonic symbolism - have you looked at a dollar bill lately? Or the street layout of DC?
It's all over the place, and hardly unique to Israel.



of course and Search knows that for sure and so do I
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:38 pm

I know that Masonic networks have their place in a deep power map of the world- but this is hardly the same as a monolithic, all powerful conspiracy managed by jewish bankers.

Illuminati Theory is a many-splendored thing:

http://spitfirelist.com/news/thrive-cou ... in-cinema/

“Thrive”: Counter-Culture Fascism in Cinema

POSTED BY DAVE EMORY ⋅ MAY 25, 2012

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Thrive: “Oh wow!
An inter­na­tional Jew­ish bank­ing con­spir­acy runs the world.
Far out!”


COMMENT: The advance of fas­cism fea­tures a bur­geon­ing array of media and orga­ni­za­tional phe­nom­ena that direct peo­ple of more “progressive”–even “hip” ori­en­ta­tion in the direc­tion of big­otry and right-wing totalitarianism.

In par­tic­u­lar, anti-Semitism–denying that it is anti-Semitic–has become some­thing of the “fla­vor de jeur” for much of the so-called pro­gres­sive sec­tor. The cloud­ing of minds with mys­ti­cism has accel­er­ated this trend, par­tic­u­larly among the young.

A recent issue of the San Jose Metro–a free weekly paper in the South­ern Bay Area–featured an inci­sive analy­sis by Eric John­son. This impor­tant arti­cle dis­sected the fun­da­men­tals of a pop­u­lar cult film enti­tled Thrive.

The brain­child of Proc­tor & Gam­ble for­tune heir Fos­ter Gam­ble, the film fuses New Age mys­ti­cism and cult “free-energy” mythol­ogy with Old Age anti-Semitic ide­ol­ogy pin­ning the world’s trou­bles on the Roth­schilds and Jew­ish con­trol of the finan­cial indus­try. (Gam­ble him­self holds forth on var­i­ous sub­jects in the film itself.)

In addi­tion to Gam­ble him­self, “Thrive” presents the fas­cist ide­ol­ogy of G. Edward Grif­fin, a promi­nent John Birch Soci­ety the­o­reti­cian. (The ori­gins of the John Birch Soci­ety are detailed in AFA #11.) In addi­tion to his doc­tri­naire racism, demo­niz­ing the likes of Mar­tin Luther King, Grif­fin tags the Fed­eral Reserve Sys­tem as a man­i­fes­ta­tion of the “Zion­ist” finan­cial cabal.

ImageThe most out­landish of the fascisti whose “think­ing” is fea­tured in the film is David Icke. A for­mer soc­cer player, Icke has rein­vented him­self as a polit­i­cal guru, dis­sem­i­nat­ing the view that the world’s power struc­ture is con­trolled by “rep­til­ian shape-shifters” who pose as humans, eat young chil­dren and, some­how, are part and par­cel to the inter­na­tional finan­cial con­spir­acy advanced by Grif­fin, Gam­ble and company.

Another of the old-line fas­cists whose ide­ol­ogy is con­tained in the film is Eustace Mullins, although his influ­ence is upon Gamble’s the­o­ret­i­cal out­look, rather than in “Thrive” itself. An unabashed admirer of Adolf Hitler, Mullins is among the sem­i­nal fas­cist ide­o­logues to tab the Fed as an out­crop­ping of the “inter­na­tional Jew­ish bank­ing conspiracy.”

Not sur­pris­ingly Icke, Mullins and Grif­fin have been extolled by the so-called “Truthers.” Both have also been fea­tured on the pro­gram of for­mer Fox pun­dit Glenn Beck.

In addi­tion to the New Age mys­ti­cism, the film’s cache among “pro­gres­sives” is strength­ened by the inclu­sion of the likes of Deepak Chopra, Amy Good­man and envi­ron­men­tal­ist (and Baskin & Rob­bins heir) John Rob­bins.

This, in com­bi­na­tion with the dumbing-down of Amer­ica, has fueled the pop­u­lar­ity of “Thrive.“
Not sur­pris­ingly, the film has gar­nered a con­sid­er­able fol­low­ing among the “Occupy” move­ment, accord­ing to author Johnson.

“Thrive” appears to be among the most suc­cess­ful man­i­fes­ta­tions to date of counter-culture fas­cism, adding some­thing of a bohemian fla­vor to the old adage that anti-Semitism is “the social­ism of fools.”

(Author Peter Lev­enda, among oth­ers, has chron­i­cled the over­lap of alter­na­tive reli­gions such as Satanism with fas­cist and Nazi ele­ments in his book Unholy Alliance. The alter­na­tive reli­gious connection/New Age phe­nom­e­non is cen­tral to the suc­cess of works like “Thrive.”)



“The Dan­gers Behind the Cult Film ‘Thrive’ ” by Eric John­son; The San Jose Metro; 5/16/2012.

EXCERPT:
Thrive, a two-hour doc­u­men­tary that has gone viral since its release on the web in Novem­ber, sells itself as an opti­mistic vision of a utopian future marked by “free energy,” free­dom from oppres­sion and spir­i­tual awak­en­ing. But on its way to depict­ing a dream-world utopia, Thrive deliv­ers a dark and dis­hon­est ver­sion of the real world and espouses a blend of para­noid con­spir­acy the­o­ries and right-libertarian propaganda.

The Santa Cruz cou­ple who made the film, Fos­ter and Kim­berly Carter Gam­ble, build their tale around an unde­ni­ably poetic idea: that there is a secret pat­tern to be found in nature, and that we can learn from it. . . .

. . . In the film’s sec­ond sec­tion, Gam­ble sets out to show exactly how and why the gov­ern­ment and its spon­sors are dup­ing us. This sec­tion prob­a­bly accounts for its bur­geon­ing online pop­u­lar­ity with the Occupy move­ment and its sup­port­ers. (For the record, I count myself among that audi­ence segment.)

Bring­ing in pro­gres­sive heroes such as Van­dana Shiva and Paul Hawken to recount the more or less well-known crimes against human­ity per­pe­trated by the likes of Mon­santo and Exxon-Mobil, Thrive makes the famil­iar, and jus­ti­fi­able, case that huge cor­po­ra­tions have too much power, are largely cor­rupt and pose a threat to society.

But then, once again, the film­mak­ers jump the tracks of ratio­nal­ity. This is where the film should go polit­i­cal, but instead it plays the con­spir­acy card. And not just any con­spir­acy, but the grand­daddy of them all: that a hand­ful of fam­i­lies con­trol the world and plan to enslave humanity.

In his soft voice, the gray-haired, blue-eyed Fos­ter Gam­ble says, sadly: “As dif­fi­cult as it was for me, I have come to an inescapable and pro­foundly dis­turb­ing con­clu­sion. I believe that an elite group of peo­ple and the cor­po­ra­tions they run have gained con­trol over not just our energy, food sup­ply, edu­ca­tion and health care, but over vir­tu­ally every aspect of our lives.

“When I fol­lowed the money, I found it going up the lev­els of a pyra­mid.” (As the torus sym­bol dom­i­nates Thrive’s first sec­tion, the pyra­mid dom­i­nates the sec­ond.) And at the top of this alleged pyra­mid of evil: the Rothschilds.

Not every­one watch­ing this film will know that this argu­ment has been around, and been dis­cred­ited, for decades. Appar­ently, the desire to find some­one to blame for all the world’s prob­lems spans gen­er­a­tions. And the Roth­schilds make a pretty good target.

Are the Roth­schilds very, very rich? Undoubt­edly. Are the mem­bers of this fam­ily doing the work of Mother Teresa or the Dalai Lama? Mostly not. Are they all-powerful puppet-masters who secretly rule the world? Are they descended from a race of snake-people? Do they eat chil­dren? Um ... no, no and no.

Are they Jew­ish? Well, yes. And it must be said: The argu­ment made in Thrive pre­cisely mir­rors an argu­ment that Joseph Goebbels made in his infa­mous Nazi pro­pa­ganda film The Eter­nal Jew: that a hand­ful of bank­ing fam­i­lies, many of them Jew­ish, are run­ning the world and seek­ing global domination.

Fos­ter Gam­ble inoc­u­lates him­self against charges of anti-Semitism, stat­ing flatly: “This is not a Jew­ish agenda. Let me be clear.” But while he scrubs out the openly anti-Semitic aspects of the dis­grace­ful idea, the rest of it haunts the film.

And, once again it must be said, when describ­ing sym­bol­ism used by his imag­ined Dark Lords of the Uni­verse, Gam­ble does not hes­i­tate to note that the Sign appears on the build­ing that houses the Israeli Supreme Court, which he erro­neously claims “is funded entirely by the Rothschilds.”

To prove his eco­nomic the­ory, Gam­ble invites G. Edward Grif­fin, author of The Crea­ture from Jeck­yll Island, which recounts the cre­ation of the Fed­eral Reserve Bank, a his­tor­i­cal moment which Grif­fin claims was orches­trated by the “global elite who want to con­trol the world and cre­ate a New World Order.”

One of sev­eral vet­eran con­spir­a­cy­mon­gers who appear onscreen in Part Two of Thrive, Grif­fin is a long­time lead­ing mem­ber of the ultra-right wing John Birch Soci­ety, a fact not men­tioned in the film. For those who may have forgotten—the John Birchers prac­ti­cally invented the mod­ern con­spir­acy theory.

Founded in 1958 to carry on the work of the anti-Communist cru­sader Sen. Joe McCarthy, the Soci­ety went on to bat­tle the Com­mu­nist con­spir­acy we now known as the Civil Rights move­ment, and its leader, whom many of them referred to as “Mar­tin Lucifer King.”

Then the Birchers focused their ener­gies on reveal­ing the exis­tence of a Satanic (lit­er­ally) group they called the Illuminati—a cadre of pow­er­ful fam­i­lies that secretly rule the world.

While Grif­fin may be the most far-right pun­dit to appear in Thrive, he is not the most far-out. That would be David Icke, although it would be impos­si­ble to know that from the inter­views that appear in Thrive.

Icke’s role in the film is to explain the eco­nomic the­ory behind a com­mon bank­ing prac­tice known as frac­tional reserve lend­ing. He does this in less than two min­utes, with the help of South Park–style ani­ma­tions, as though explain­ing the the­ory of rel­a­tiv­ity to an attention-challenged second-grader. And of course, he makes the prac­tice appear sin­is­ter.

For a more sym­pa­thetic por­trayal of the prac­tice, see George Bailey’s bank-run speech in It’s a Won­der­ful Life: “You’re think­ing of this place all wrong, as if I had the money back in a safe. The money’s not here. Your money’s in Joe’s house, that’s right next to yours. And in the Kennedy house, and Mrs. Makelin’s house, and a hun­dred oth­ers. You’re lend­ing them the money to build, and then they’re going to pay it back to you as best they can.” That’s frac­tional reserve lend­ing.

Point of fact: With­out frac­tional reserve lend­ing, almost nobody read­ing these words would ever be able to own a house. You would need to raise not only a down pay­ment but the entire value of a home in order to pur­chase it. (Or be born with a for­tune, as was Fos­ter Gam­ble, whose grand­fa­ther founded Proc­ter and Gamble.)

At any rate, Icke’s brief expli­ca­tion car­ries the day for Gam­ble, who con­cludes that with this bank­ing ploy, “We inevitably become debt-slaves to a rul­ing finan­cial elite.”

Icke then goes on to explain, in a minute or two, how banks caused the cur­rent reces­sion pur­posely, in a plot to get their hands on all of the nation’s real property—a devi­ous plot that has been “going on for cen­turies.” Again, as with many con­spir­acy the­o­ries, there’s a pretty big grain of truth to that.

Accord­ing to the film’s web­site, this is David Icke’s area of exper­tise: “Icke reveals that a com­mon formula—‘problem-reaction-solution’—is used by the elite to manip­u­late the masses and pur­sue alter­na­tive agendas.”

But a glance at Icke’s own web­site reveals that this is not his pri­mary area of inquiry. Icke, it seems, is bring­ing the work of the John Birch Soci­ety into the New Age, fur­ther­ing its study into the Illu­mi­nati. Like the Birchers, he swears he is not an anti-Semite, yet his site is rife with attacks against the “Rothschild-Zionists” who have, among other things, sur­rounded Pres­i­dent Obama.

Icke’s inno­va­tion is that he tells the ancient con­spir­acy lie in the lan­guage of a self-help guru. “The Illu­mi­nati are not in my uni­verse, unless I allow them in,” he says. “And then, I give them power. They’re fright­ened, fright­ened enti­ties.“
It’s telling that Icke uses the word “enti­ties,” because Icke believes the Illu­mi­nati, the peo­ple run­ning the world, are not peo­ple at all. David Icke, the man cham­pi­oned in Thrive for his insight to eco­nom­ics, spends most of his intel­lec­tual ener­gies show­ing that the world’s lead­ers, from Queen Eliz­a­beth to Bill and Hillary Clin­ton to Barack Obama, are not human, but are mem­bers of “blood­lines” descended from an inter­plan­e­tary cadre of evil, god­like human/snake hybrids he calls “Reptilians.” . . .

. . . He [envi­ron­men­tal­ist John Rob­bins] says that in pri­vate cor­re­spon­dence, he learned that his friend [Fos­ter Gam­ble] was being influ­enced by the ideas of Eustace Mullins, whom he calls “the most anti-Semitic pub­lic fig­ure in U.S. his­tory.“
Fos­ter Gam­ble did not respond to an email request for an inter­view, but there is cer­tainly evi­dence in Thrive that Mullins’ views influ­enced him. One of the cen­tral fea­tures of the film is the sup­posed rev­e­la­tion that the Fed­eral Reserve Bank is a crim­i­nal enter­prise; Mullins is the man who gave birth to that the­ory, in his 1952 book, The Secret of the Fed­eral Reserve.

The fol­low­ing year, Mullins pub­lished his most noto­ri­ous tract, “Adolf Hitler: An Appre­ci­a­tion,” which praises the fuhrer for his cru­sade against the “Jew­ish Inter­na­tional bankers” who were attempt­ing to take over the world. In sub­se­quent books, Mullins argued that the Holo­caust never hap­pened and that the Jew­ish race is inher­ently “par­a­sitic.” Incred­i­bly, Mullins also insisted until his death that he was not an anti-Semite. . . .
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:40 pm

coffin_dodger » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:14 pm wrote:If the Illuminati existed and I were an agent of it - and it was my job to keep our secrets from word and thought, this thread would serve as an excellent example of how to derail discussion about us.

Of course, were I Illuminati, disseminating the disinformation that the jewish people are the Illuminati would also serve me well - the revulsion of anti-semetism engrained in society will ensure very few further enquiries would be made.

Indeed, the veracity with which unpaid, non-vested-interest 'deniers of the Illuminati' operate is something to behold, when considering, in their own minds, it doesn't exist. Were I Illuminati, this would please me greatly.


It's not a mortal sin to think there maybe such a thing as the Illuminati and it certainly not against the RI rules to bring it up and talk about it ...it definitely does not make one an anti-semite for sure and it just may be entertaining thing to think about ..I for one will not shy away from the subject no matter how often someone here does not like it and tries to shame anyone that does....no one will censor me here except the mods and Jeff....when they tell me not to use that word I will stop...not one minute before
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:44 pm

seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:40 pm wrote:
coffin_dodger » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:14 pm wrote:If the Illuminati existed and I were an agent of it - and it was my job to keep our secrets from word and thought, this thread would serve as an excellent example of how to derail discussion about us.

Of course, were I Illuminati, disseminating the disinformation that the jewish people are the Illuminati would also serve me well - the revulsion of anti-semetism engrained in society will ensure very few further enquiries would be made.

Indeed, the veracity with which unpaid, non-vested-interest 'deniers of the Illuminati' operate is something to behold, when considering, in their own minds, it doesn't exist. Were I Illuminati, this would please me greatly.


It's not a mortal sin to think there maybe such a thing as the Illuminati and it certainly not against the RI rules to bring it up and talk about it ...it definitely does not make one an anti-semite for sure and it just may be entertaining thing to think about ..I for one will not shy away from the subject no matter how often someone here does not like it and tries to shame anyone that does....no one will censor me here except the mods and Jeff....when they tell me not to use that word I will stop...not one minute before


You are boxing with shadows that don't exist...
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby slimmouse » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:57 pm

American Dream » 04 Sep 2013 18:44 wrote:
You are boxing with shadows that don't exist...


Well of course, were all doing that AD, some of us more than others, in different situations.

But ulitmately we really and truly are all boxing with shadows, by any rational scientific definition at least.

If you ever find a moment, think about that fact.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:02 pm

:P

You made me
A shadowboxer, baby
I wanna be ready
For what you do
I've been swinging
All around me
'Cause I don't know
When you're gonna
Make your move

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:33 pm

MacCruiskeen » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:43 pm wrote:Oh ffs, "Conspirituality" again. Complete with 36 footnotes. You have copied-and-pasted that godawful screed before, quite recently too, and it doesn't improve with repetition.

AmericanDream wrote:This stuff is really deep


Deeply shallow, profoundly superficial, and abysmally reactionary. It is a solemnly stupid potpourri of tendentious and thoughtstopping conflations, all in the service of entrenched power. It is worse than a waste of time.


Mac, at the risk of sounding like a famous scene from 'When Harry met Sally'
Yes YES Y E S!!!!!

Personally, I think it is a pile of reductionist Orthodoxy-driven shite, said so and demonstrated why in the original thread.
AD for someone who is uberconcerned about sources, you post from some really crappy ones yourself.
"All in the service of entrenched power."

Why could you not just post a LINK??
Why the whole sodding article AGAIN when there was a WHOLE THREAD on it recently?

Can we revisit my suggestions?????
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:58 pm

seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:02 pm wrote::P

You made me
A shadowboxer, baby
I wanna be ready
For what you do
I've been swinging
All around me
'Cause I don't know
When you're gonna
Make your move



All that power you think I have is illusory. I may see things very differently than you on certain questions but I don't have it in for you and I don't have any particular power to "get" you with. When I post something that you find bothersome you could, for example, just ignore it.

How much power would I have then?
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:12 pm

American Dream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:58 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:02 pm wrote::P

You made me
A shadowboxer, baby
I wanna be ready
For what you do
I've been swinging
All around me
'Cause I don't know
When you're gonna
Make your move



All that power you think I have is illusory. I may see things very differently than you on certain questions but I don't have it in for you and I don't have any particular power to "get" you with. When I post something that you find bothersome you could, for example, just ignore it.

How much power would I have then?


get a sense of humor AD ..it was a frickin joke! :jumping: now maybe I understand you just a tad better after that one :P...did you even watch the video?
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:22 pm

seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:12 pm wrote:
American Dream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:58 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:02 pm wrote::P

You made me
A shadowboxer, baby
I wanna be ready
For what you do
I've been swinging
All around me
'Cause I don't know
When you're gonna
Make your move



All that power you think I have is illusory. I may see things very differently than you on certain questions but I don't have it in for you and I don't have any particular power to "get" you with. When I post something that you find bothersome you could, for example, just ignore it.

How much power would I have then?


get a sense of humor AD ..it was a frickin joke! :jumping: now maybe I understand you just a tad better after that one :P...did you even watch the video?


Actually, no- real busy right now...
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:52 pm

American Dream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:58 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:02 pm wrote::P

You made me
A shadowboxer, baby
I wanna be ready
For what you do
I've been swinging
All around me
'Cause I don't know
When you're gonna
Make your move



All that power you think I have is illusory. I may see things very differently than you on certain questions but I don't have it in for you and I don't have any particular power to "get" you with. When I post something that you find bothersome you could, for example, just ignore it.

How much power would I have then?


I felt really sad and upset when I read that.
If we met in real life, might we all laugh at the conflicts we have been having and becomes friends?

Could we have a constructive way forward?

There is a conflict resolution tool called 'ADI' which stands for

Agreement
Disagreement
Irrelevance

where you focus on a person and spend a couple of minutesjust looking for where you think you agree; then a couple of minutes just on where you Disagree, then a couple of minutes on things that are Irrelevant.

It might be worth while just to try something different, in a spirit of goodwill (or even in a spirit exasperated desperation or fear and loathing or whatever)
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Postby wintler2 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:54 pm

One minute its ALL CAPS personal abuse, next up 'its a joke', alternate with 'poor me' & countless evasions .. now theres a cycle any abuse survivor or psych grad will recognise.
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