How to Overthrow the Illuminati

[seemslikeadream]

One minute its ALL CAPS personal abuse, next up 'its a joke', alternate with 'poor me' & countless evasions .. now theres a cycle any abuse survivor or psych grad will recognise.

you are so out of it ...what a weird post

[Searcher08]

One minute its ALL CAPS personal abuse, next up 'its a joke', alternate with 'poor me' & countless evasions .. now theres a cycle any abuse survivor or psych grad will recognise.

Interpersonal dynamics diagnosis... from someone who usually fights fires with a patented gasoline-filled hose.

[seemslikeadream]

The Politics of Anti-Semitism edited by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffery St. Clair

You'd have thought I'd urged America's youth to immerse themselves in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. People wrote in demanding that I acknowledge the Israeli spy ring story had been "discredited". I declined to do so, citing some very good columns by Justin Raimondo on the antiwar.com site, also the work of reporter John Sugg of the Atlanta-based Creative Loafing alternative weekly chain, and Jane's Intelligence Digest. I could also have mentioned Carl Cameron's four part series on Fox News, altogether the single most comprehensive overview of Isael's secret war, and Le Monde, as well as Insight, the magazine supplement of the Washington Times. Jane's put it well, remarking in a March 15 dispatch: "It's rather strange that the US media, with one notable exception, seems to be ignoring what may well prove to be the most explosive story since the September 11 attacks - the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the United States which aimed to infiltrate both the Justice and Defense departments before the aircraft hijacking took place."

[American Dream]

http://spitfirelist.com/news/english-de ... c-fascism/

English Defense League Manifesting Classic Fascism

POSTED BY DAVE EMORY ⋅ JUNE 29, 2011


Eng­lish Defense League Weighs In


COMMENT: In a post last fall (2010), we noted that Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer–both of whom have attacked the Norquist/Rove/GOP to the Mus­lim Brotherhood–found com­mon cause with, among oth­ers, the Eng­lish Defense League in oppo­si­tion to the “9/11 mosque.”

Now, one of the EDL’s more promi­nent mem­bers is tout­ing The Pro­to­cols of the Elders of Zion, the noto­ri­ous anti-Semitic forgery that was a main­stay of Hitler’s ideology.

The alliance of oppo­nents of the 9/11 mosque to align them­selves with such ele­ments is to give an impor­tant rhetor­i­cal vic­tory to the Islamic fas­cists of the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood. Hamas, the Pales­tin­ian branch of the Broth­er­hood, cites the Pro­to­cols in their char­ter.

“Infi­del Leader Praises the Pro­to­cols” by Nick Lowles; Hope Not Hate; 6/28/2011.

EXCERPT: The leader of the EDL’s “Infi­dels” fac­tion, John “Snowy” Shaw, has spoke out in sup­port of the noto­ri­ously anti­se­mitic book, the Pro­to­cols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

Hot on the heels of praise for the Book of Rev­e­la­tions, Shaw announced yes­ter­day that his head is being turned by another his­tor­i­cal doc­u­ment, the “The Pro­to­cols of the Learned Elders of Zion”.

With “the Pro­to­cols” Shaw has immersed him­self in one of the most vile and dan­ger­ous forg­eries of all time.

Accord­ing to Shaw, the book has already begun to make things “click” in his head, and he advises “all true British patri­ots take the time to read this”.

Despite the book being dis­cov­ered as a forgery, it has long been viewed as defin­i­tive proof of a Jew­ish con­spir­acy by Nazis and anti­semites ever since. Adolf Hitler even had put it in the school cur­ricu­lum in Nazi Ger­many. More recently, it was even among a selec­tion of books that the BNP rec­om­mended for “patri­ots” dur­ing the 1980’s because they insisted it was still of his­tor­i­cal interest.

The book is a crude record of the sup­posed min­utes of a meet­ing of the Jew­ish com­mu­nity in the late 19th Cen­tury where plans for their world dom­i­na­tion are discussed. . . .

[Elvis]

Oh ffs, "Conspirituality" again. Complete with 36 footnotes. You have copied-and-pasted that godawful screed before, quite recently too, and it doesn't improve with repetition.

This stuff is really deep

Deeply shallow, profoundly superficial, and abysmally reactionary. It is a solemnly stupid potpourri of tendentious and thoughtstopping conflations, all in the service of entrenched power. It is worse than a waste of time.

I agree completely and beg, can we please not post such shoddy "scholarship" here? Its message is, "There's nothing to see here, nothing." That seems contrary to the RI investigative spirit. The authors would surely include RI in their big homogenous lump of nothing. Why promote them?

The argument is going in circles with this reheated airline food. With all respect, the OP article, in my opinion, frankly isn't much more helpful.

[slimmouse]

"There's nothing to see here, nothing." That seems contrary to the RI investigative spirit. The authors would surely include RI in their big homogenous lump of nothing. Why promote them?

The argument is going in circles with this reheated airline food. With all respect, the OP article, in my opinion, frankly isn't much more helpful.

A while back, I asked AD for the point of this thread, because whilst I also got the above impression of it, I wanted to get it from the Horses mouth so to speak.

Searcher made an interesting observation about this "debate" which is certainly not lost on me. That point being, that just when the conversation appears to be developing, the ground suddenly shifts beneath his feet, and he finds himself back at square one again.

Thats a reasonable definition of circular logic to me, which I have also personally encountered.

[Searcher08]

Oh ffs, "Conspirituality" again. Complete with 36 footnotes. You have copied-and-pasted that godawful screed before, quite recently too, and it doesn't improve with repetition.

This stuff is really deep

Deeply shallow, profoundly superficial, and abysmally reactionary. It is a solemnly stupid potpourri of tendentious and thoughtstopping conflations, all in the service of entrenched power. It is worse than a waste of time.

I agree completely and beg, can we please not post such shoddy "scholarship" here? Its message is, "There's nothing to see here, nothing." That seems contrary to the RI investigative spirit. The authors would surely include RI in their big homogenous lump of nothing. Why promote them?

The argument is going in circles with this reheated airline food. With all respect, the OP article, in my opinion, frankly isn't much more helpful.

@Elvis

This hits the nail on the head for me.

At it's best R.I. is a place where the most relatively 'out there' subjects can be discussed in a spirit of BOTH rigour AND intuition... and one that allows for other people to have different versions of what is rigourous and what is intuitive - because there is not an objective standard for this, it is personal and perceptual.

My main memory of the Atmon thread was seeing this play out, with good hearted and very intelligent people, in a horrendous way that was really hard for the participants and for the Board in general - and more the next year in a recent threads...

Example
Pseudoskeptics say 'demonstrate objective proof' before even opening the door to something like exopolitics. If there are hundreds of contact cases, many of which are characterised by "High Strangeness", then that type of rigour may be misplaced.

Rigourous Intuition, to me says be free with your Intuition - it is something subjective, in your own body-mind, your gut feel /seat of the pants etc

It raises the question
How do we communicate when our Intuitions are both different and intense?

So my Intuition is that there are multiple independent elites who are occult based and have great power re resources and the placement of structures in the world.

If AD feels that is the thin end of an anti-Semitic wedge in HIS Intuition - how do we communicate this? How can I say
"Yes, I respect your unique Intuition and honor it. AND... mine is different. I honor yours AND want you to do the same with mine"

When the genuinely different Intuitions are not acknowledged and accepted (NB NOT agreed with), then often the issue will turn into a battle of different 'Rigours' as well.
Example: Tony Greenstein's writings on Atzmon; the MiB 'approach' to paraculture; the Conspirituality paper.

The idea that there is ONE UNIQUE FACTUAL ACCURATE OBJECTIVE SCIENTIFIC RATIONAL POINT OF VIEW - and if we can just apply enough LOGIC, we will get there.

If a person really believes / thinks that they HAVE that and another does not, then if they care, it becomes a matter of changing them by whatever means necessary.

My rebuttal to this is that it leaves out the role of the observer as changing that which is observed. It is 'brain in a jar' reductionism, a philosophy that is homogenised technocratic fascism.

[minime]

“Thrive”: Counter-Culture Fascism in Cinema

POSTED BY DAVE EMORY ⋅ MAY 25, 2012

Thrive: “Oh wow!
An inter­na­tional Jew­ish bank­ing con­spir­acy runs the world.

COMMENT: The advance of fas­cism fea­tures a bur­geon­ing array of media and orga­ni­za­tional phe­nom­ena that direct peo­ple of more “progressive”–even “hip” ori­en­ta­tion in the direc­tion of big­otry and right-wing totalitarianism.

In par­tic­u­lar, anti-Semitism–denying that it is anti-Semitic–has become some­thing of the “fla­vor de jeur” for much of the so-called pro­gres­sive sec­tor. The cloud­ing of minds with mys­ti­cism has accel­er­ated this trend, par­tic­u­larly among the young.

A recent issue of the San Jose Metro–a free weekly paper in the South­ern Bay Area–featured an inci­sive analy­sis by Eric John­son. This impor­tant arti­cle dis­sected the fun­da­men­tals of a pop­u­lar cult film enti­tled Thrive.

The brain­child of Proc­tor & Gam­ble for­tune heir Fos­ter Gam­ble, the film fuses New Age mys­ti­cism and cult “free-energy” mythol­ogy with Old Age anti-Semitic ide­ol­ogy pin­ning the world’s trou­bles on the Roth­schilds and Jew­ish con­trol of the finan­cial indus­try. (Gam­ble him­self holds forth on var­i­ous sub­jects in the film itself.)

I saw 'Thrive', and was bothered by his approach, though for different reasons. My most sympathetic interpretation goes something like this...

The most efficacious and subtle approach to this topic IMO is a synthesis of two opposing perspectives. To the extent that the audience for this pseudodocumentary was likely to be Western (clumsily put, 'externally oriented' maybe?) the Oriental perspective was saved for a few choice moments. If Gamble had concentrated on an explication of Chakras, citing Patanjali and Bohme, he would have lost his viewers in the first few minutes.

Indeed, he had a few books on Chakras behind him on the shelves in his office.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Oh ffs, "Conspirituality" again. Complete with 36 footnotes. You have copied-and-pasted that godawful screed before, quite recently too, and it doesn't improve with repetition.

This stuff is really deep

Deeply shallow, profoundly superficial, and abysmally reactionary. It is a solemnly stupid potpourri of tendentious and thoughtstopping conflations, all in the service of entrenched power. It is worse than a waste of time.

I agree completely and beg, can we please not post such shoddy "scholarship" here? Its message is, "There's nothing to see here, nothing." That seems contrary to the RI investigative spirit. The authors would surely include RI in their big homogenous lump of nothing. Why promote them?

The argument is going in circles with this reheated airline food. With all respect, the OP article, in my opinion, frankly isn't much more helpful.

Exactamente! That's why after my initial post on the first page, I tuned out. All screaming and bullshit insinuations aside, (or perhaps because of) this thread has literally become a projection of that sentiment, "There's nothing to see here, nothing."

My advice is to do what I did after tying this dreck in with the Miley Cyrus media-ginned up brouhaha: walk away. Walk away from this thread and let it sink with the rest of the turds.

[American Dream]

http://www.social-ecology.org/1996/01/l ... ctives-35/

From Green Messiah to New Age Nazi

by Matthew Kalman and John Murray

Matthew Kalman and John Murray are editors of the eco-political investigative magazine Open Eye, which has been uncovering and exposing David Icke and “New Age Nazism.” Address: BM Open Eye, London WC1N 3XX. Issue 3 is available for £1.70.


It has been hard in recent years to ignore the rising popularity of almost everything that comes under the heading New Age. Yoga, meditation, Kabbalah, Buddhism, alternative medicine, environmentalism, and self-improvement, as well as an array of New Age therapies, have all gained in popularity, as have other fringe interests like UFOs and the paranormal, which often appeal to the same people. Few will have avoided at least some contact.

The movement even has its own stars. In Britain, David Icke, the TV sports commentator turned Green Party national spokesman turned purple-robed “Son of God,” is the best-known leader. [See "British Green Party Cofounder Icke Goes New Age," Green Perspectives, no. 24, October 1991.] His books sell fast, and he pulls in the crowds as a charismatic speaker on a hectic schedule of speaking engagements and workshops. Though many see him as a figure of fun, his popularity is undimmed.

Icke has led a public life: from goalkeeper for the Coventry City and Hereford United teams, he then moved on to the BBC as a sports commentator. He later became national spokesperson for the Green Party before resigning in 1990, declaring himself to be “a Son of the Godhead,” wearing turquoise, and predicting catastrophic geological upheaval. His latest incarnation is more sinister.

In the summer of 1994 Icke wrote The Robots’ Rebellion: The Story of the Spiritual Renaissance, a book which indicated a convergence of New Age thinking with Nazi philosophy. Casting aside his pat concerns about the environment, Icke enthusiastically embraced the classic Nazi conspiracy theory, alleging that the world is controlled by a secret cadre of “The Elite.” He openly endorsed the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the tsarist anti-Semitic forgery that informed Hitler’s notion of a global Jewish conspiracy.

Icke seems oblivious to the fact that the Protocols were long ago exposed as a crude device to stir up hatred of Jews. Nor is he concerned about their popularity with Nazis from Hitler onwards. “Just because Hitler used knowledge for negative reasons doesn’t reflect on the knowledge,” says Icke.

The Robots’ Rebellion weaves a complex tapestry of extreme right-wing concerns about conspiracies to control the world through such diverse means as banking, the New World Order, freemasons, the FBI, the Waco siege, microchips, extraterrestrials, and gun control.

The anti-Semitism of the book is not concealed. Icke accuses Jewish bankers of funding both Hitler and the Bolsheviks,a classic piece of far-right propaganda. He attacks “Jehovah, the vengeful God of the Jews,” as “quite possibly an extraterrestrial.” He is unabashed in sourcing his material back to leading U.S. right-wing militia figures such as Bill Cooper, who believes in a UFO/world government conspiracy that includes aliens both good and bad: “blond Aryans” and large-nosed “Greys.”

Unfortunately, the publication of The Robots’ Rebellion aroused very little criticism of Icke, although many Green Party members began to realize the danger that their one-time figurehead now represented. Some began to picket meetings, with other antifascists later following their lead.

Now Icke has published a new book, . . . And the Truth Shall Set You Free [Cambridge: Bridge of Love, 1995], which brings his anti-Semitic ideas to a chilling conclusion.

Following an Open Eye investigation and the resulting negative publicity, Icke’s publisher, Gateway, refused to handle the new book. Icke has been forced to produce it himself, with financial backing from a Jewish supporter named David Solomon. The book contains a desperate plea to readers to help sell copies.

Icke’s basic thesis is that “almost every major negative event of global significance has been part of the same long-term plan by the All-Seeing Eye cult to take over the planet via a centralized world government, central bank, currency and army.” Although Icke uses terms like Illuminati and Brotherhood to describe this elite, their true identity soon becomes apparent. “There is a global Jewish clique,” he writes, who “worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This . . . elite secured the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish state of Israel in Palestine.”

Icke says that, “given the genetic history of most Jewish people,” the Jews have no claim to Israel. This is a common argument among the far right, some of whom believe that the Anglo-Saxons of northern Europe are the true descendants of the “lost tribes of Israel.” Just in case readers have any doubts, Icke explains that the “Israeli government, its army, and its intelligence arm, Mossad, are neo-Nazi, terrorist organizations.”

Further revelations from Icke include the news that the same Jewish clique “financed Hitler to power in 1933,” and that an “Estonian Jew,” Nazi party ideologue Alfred Rosenberg, gave Hitler a copy of the Protocols, thereby sealing the fate of the Jews by encouraging Hitler to embark on the Holocaust. Rosenberg was not, of course, Jewish but a viciously anti-Semitic Baltic German. In the meantime bankers like Max Warburg had already left Nazi Germany. “All this was coldly calculated by the ‘Jewish’ elite,” says Icke. The elite is “merciless . . . sick and diabolical,” as well as being controlled by the “Luciferic Consciousness.”

As if the suggestion that Jews orchestrated the Holocaust were not enough, Icke also condemns the Nuremberg trials. “Nuremberg was an insult to natural justice,” he sputters. He condemns the practice whereby free copies of Schindler’s List “are given to schools to indoctrinate children.” This is because Icke, like other neo-Nazis before him, has decided that the murder of six million Jews in the Holocaust is a myth.

He urges his readers to take Holocaust revisionism seriously and, without giving his name, describes and praises the French founding father of Holocaust revisionism, Paul Rassinier—a one-time French Resistance fighter who was himself incarcerated in a concentration camp. “You cannot, if you are interested in truth, just dismiss his findings and condemn him as a Nazi apologist,” says Icke. “But that is what happened to him and others too.”

What exactly are the views of Rassinier? He denies the existence of death camps and rubbishes the reports of survivors as “a collection of contradictory pieces of ill-natured gossip.” Rassinier contends that the gas chambers are an invention of the “Zionist establishment.” Why is it that the rest of us, including the Nazi perpetrators themselves, are so sure that the Holocaust did indeed happen? “The Jews have been able to dupe the world by relying on their mythic powers and conspiratorial abilities,” says Rassinier. “World Jewry has once again employed its inordinate powers to harness the world’s financial resources, media and political interests for their own purposes.”

Challenged about his endorsement of these Nazi apologists, Icke’s wife Linda dares to say things that her husband has not yet committed to print. While the book’s discussion of the Holocaust merely asserts tha the Revisionist version should at least be heard, Mrs. Icke denigrates the fact of the Holocaust itself. “We’ve had the figures come down from six million to two,” she claims, citing unnamed “Jewish” sources. “We’ve had a lifetime of one view and one story. Maybe if all things were laid out on the table the truth might come out, whatever it is.”

Icke promises that “much, much more” is yet to be revealed about the Holocaust. A flavor of what might be forthcoming is contained in a striking passage purporting to explain anti-Semitism. Like many neo-Nazis, Icke goes out of his way to deny being anti-Semitic, claiming that he is merely criticizing a “manipulating Jewish clique” who regard the mass of Jews as “cattle to be used and abused as required” in their quest for world domination.

“The Jewish people (who, like the rest of us, are evolving consciousnesses that happen to be working in a Jewish genetics spacesuit at this point), will never be free until they step out of the emotional and mental control of this tiny clique, which uses them in the most merciless ways to advance its own sick and diabolical ambitions.”

Following a common Nazi thread which goes back to Hitler, Icke blames the Jews themselves for anti-Semitism. “Thought patterns in the collective Jewish mind have repeatedly created that physical reality of oppression, prejudice and racism which matches the pattern—the expectation—programmed into their collective psyche. They expect it; they create it.”

For Further Reading . . .

In the light of the book’s content, it will come as little surprise that the further reading recommended in the back pages of . . . And the Truth Shall Set You Free includes neo-Nazi and racist literature. One favorite source is the “excellent” Spotlight, an anti-Semitic tabloid published in the United States that promotes Holocaust denial as a major theme.

Icke also recommends On Target, the magazine of the British League of Rights, a racist group committed to preventing the immigration of “alien peoples” and maintaining a “homogenous” (read: whites only) society. Its editor, Donald Martin, also contributes to Spearhead, the organ of the National Front now controlled by the British National Party. Martin, whom the BNP regards as a “friend and ally,” runs Britain’s leading book-supply service for the extreme right. Among the seven hundred or so titles are Did Six Million Really Die?, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and Henry Ford’s The International Jew: The World’s Foremost Problem.

Donald Martin now appears to be using Icke and others in the New Age movement as fronts to soft-sell his hard anti-Semitism. As far right-watcher Larry O’Hara points out, “Icke is in many ways a more dangerous figure than Holocaust Revisionist David Irving, for he has the capacity to entice new people onto the anti-Semitic treadmill.”

The neo-Nazis have certainly picked up on Icke. Street-fighting group Combat 18 have mingled with New Agers at Icke’s lectures and favorably reviewed one of his appearances in their bulletin, Putsch.

Though Icke has now largely dropped his New Age and green message, his supporters have yet to desert him. . . . And the Truth Shall Set You Free sold out its initial print run of 4,000 in just two and a half weeks, good going for a book that has—thankfully—been sold mainly by mail order so far. The glossy New Age magazines Kindred Spirit and Vision, widely available at on newsstands, continue to promote Icke’s work.

New Age Magazines

Nexus, an Australia-based New Age/conspiracy magazine that Icke commends as “excellent,” has carried extracts of Holocaust Revisionism articles from Spotlight. It recently published a four-part history of banking that identified Hitler and Mussolini as the last two people who could have stopped the usurious bankers.

The magazine, which is hoping to build on its current 130,000-plus circulation with a special British edition due out this month, carries regular advertisements for catalogues of neo-Nazi publications and videos.

Closer to home, David Icke is not alone in pushing extreme right-wing and racist ideas within the New Age movement. The London-based magazine Rainbow Ark has a New Age appearance but has long been closely associated with both David Icke and Donald Martin, who has written articles under a pseudonym as well as lecturing at meetings organized by the magazine. Articles in Rainbow Ark attack Jewish bankers, the “Illuminati,” and Zionism. The magazine also has a strange theory about modern Israel:

“When a person has a strong hatred of another race, their higher self often (karmically) makes sure they incarnate in that race to balance them out. Thus many of the worst kind of Nazis have already incarnated in Jewish bodies, explaining therefore some of the fireworks which are going on and will go on in Israel.”

Investigations by Open Eye have revealed that Rainbow Ark has been funded by people with a long history of extreme right and racist activity and was initially based in the apartment of Mary Stanton, a prominent racist campaigner who had previously lent it out to the National Front for an election campaign. When Rainbow Ark held a public meeting at the Battlebridge New Age center in Kings Cross on September 13, a Jewish researcher who attended was physically assaulted by a Rainbow Ark editor. The researcher was mistakenly accused of helping with an exposé by Open Eye of “New Age Nazism. [See Matthew Kalman and John Murray, "New Age Nazism," New Statesman and Society, June 23, 1995.]

Despite the assault, Rainbow Ark continues to hold public meetings at the Battlebridge Center, which was originally set up to help homeless people. When the center’s organizer Julie Lowe was asked about Rainbow Ark, she explained that she believed that the Jewish conspiracy described in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is true and ought to be investigated. “I met two old Jewish men at Hyde Park Corner one evening who told me they were true,” says Lowe. “They were saying that if they didn’t get their way in the things they wanted, they were able through Philadelphia in America to pull the money out of every city in the world.

“I’ve seen it happen in Sheffield, so I believe it. It depends who’s actually doing the controlling and who’s go the money. The connection between freemasonry and Jewry is very important.”

Nor are the deluded management of the Battlebridge Center the only people to welcome Icke and give him a platform. During a twenty-minute interview on BBC Greater London Radio on October 15, 1995, publicizing his new book, Icke was given free rein to describe the global conspiracy and how he was now addressing audiences of up to three hundred a night who no longer come to laugh at him but to really listen.

[slimmouse]

Copy pasta from 1996 huh?

Have you anything more contemporary or subsequently less worn AD, or do you believe that everyone stopped personally evolving around that time, as you appear to have done a long time earlier?

Or at least for as long as you've been here?

[American Dream]

Copy pasta from 1996 huh?

Have you anything more contemporary or subsequently less worn AD, or do you believe that everyone stopped personally evolving around that time, as you appear to have done a long time earlier

There's this, but you are unlikely to want to grapple with all the specifics of this one either:

The “Illuminati Protocols”

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is one of the “classics” of anti-semitic literature. It supposedly written from the point of view of Jews planning to take over the world. Created by the Tsarist secret police and spread about by pogromschiki (paid agitators who were fuckin paid to start pogroms in the last days of Tsarist Russia) you might think that anyone who takes such a work seriously is dodgy at best. Hitler took it as fact and the Nazi regime frequently referred to it, in fact there was even a trial in Switzerland in 1935 with Nazi lawyers involved to determine whether or not it was real. It is a plagiarism based on a mixture of various fictional and satirical works, none of whose authors knew what purpose their writing would be put to. The book “Warrant for Genocide” by Norman Cohn goes into detail about the origins and history of this laughable fairy story which was used to justify the genocide of Europe’s Jews and was used to justify the Second World War itself, as the Nazis claimed that Jews were controlling the Allied governments.

So it is slightly unusual for someone who claims not to be an anti-semite to make such extensive use of this forgery in his writing. In his early work such as the Robots’ Rebellion Icke quotes extensively from the Protocols and other anti-semitic texts. He gets around accusations of anti-semitism (sort of) by claiming that the Protocols are actually the “Illuminati Protocols” and that they were blamed on the Jews by the people who really control the world.

However, this claim does not really stand up to scrutiny. A search for “illuminati protocols” on Icke’s website reveals this page in the first couple of results.

‘The Rothschilds were Sabbatean-Frankists. This Satanic movement gave birth to the Illuminati, Communism and the NWO. It controls the world today. But ironically, while many Illuminati pretend to be Jews, they actually wish to destroy Jews who earlier had excommunicated and vilified them. Thus, there is an unrecognized schism in the Jewish people, where heretics have exterminated the mainstream and taken control of the remnant through Zionism. Yet, due to the anti-Semitism the Illuminati Jews cause and organize, Jews mistakenly cling to their leadership.

The Nazi hierarchy was probably of Frankist origin. We’ll look at this evidence later. But first we’ll examine what Rabbi Plaut, who was President of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said about their holocaust plan.’

The Sabbatarians were Hungarians, probably the majority working class peasants, who adopted Judaism as their religion in the 1700s and 1800s. Many, if not most of them were accepted as Jews by the Jewish community. The majority of them were murdered in the holocaust.

There was a “false messiah” called Sabbetai Zvi who lived a few hundred years prior to that which Icke may be thinking of. However, he moved to Turkey and converted to Islam, leaving behind a tiny sect with no relevance at all to anything – his followers mostly became Muslims at the same time as he did and their descendants today may not even be aware of their family history. Certainly any descendants of theirs, being in Turkey, were unlikely to have been anywhere near the holocaust when it was happening.

It is clear that Icke wants to blame the holocaust on a conspiracy to do with the Jews, who he claims he thinks are the “fake” Jews and not the real ones. However whether they are real or fake really makes no difference. It sounds anti-semitic and even if it’s not the people he’s slandering were entirely innocent. If I was being cynical (I am btw) I would say he concocted this entire “fake Jews” idea with the intention of claiming he’s not anti-semitic. On his discussions on the Protocols he talks about “Jewish and non-Jewish conspirators”. Jews and non Jews = everyone. So why not just say “conspirators”?

Dodgy views about the Holocaust

His claims about “rothschilds” being responsible for the Second World War, and thus the holocaust, match very closely what was said at the time by the Nazis about the Rothschilds funding world wars. They even made a film about them!



In any case, the idea of a group of shadowy conspirators behind the war isn’t exactly new. David Icke can talk about “Rothschilds” “lizards”, “zionists” and “illuminati” all he wants, and claim that his writings have nothing to do with Jews. But why don’t you connect the dots?

This is the cartoon he posted on his website about the World Jewish Congress’s call to try and criminalise holocaust denial (a call which btw I disagree with):



Nothing anti-semitic at all about that, is there?

On previous occasions he has defended the holocaust denier Ernst Zundel, author of those seminal, scholarly works “Did Six Million Really Die?” and “The Hitler We Loved and Why”. He even says “Ernst Zundels words proven true – see for yourself!”

I thought Hitler was a Rothschild? I thought he was part of the conspiracy – that obviously had nothing whatsoever to do with Jews, the idea that it is is merely being “programmed” into sheeple with “big gobs”! So why is he talking this way about somebody who clearly worships Hitler and even saying he is “proved right”? His whole thing about the conspiracy not being a Jewish one couldnt possibly be a ploy to convince people he’s not anti-semitic, could it?

In his book “…and the truth shall set you free,” he has talked about copies of Schindler’s List being distributed to schools in order to brainwash school children with an “unchallenged view” of the events of World War II. Of all the countless historically inaccurate films that are produced by Hollywood every year, whether it is U-571 or Braveheart, why pick on this particular film?

My God what would a “challenged view” look like? Oy vey!

“I’ve brought in my grandad’s medals from the War when he liberated the camps”

“That’s great – but for homework tonight, watch this two-hour DVD about how your grandad didn’t liberate anyone, and it was all done with holograms”?

To challenge the dominant consensus which simply presents an “unchallenged view” of the planets orbiting around the sun, perhaps we should show children this website, which demonstrates with scientific and Biblical proof that the earth doesn’t move in the sky because it was put there by God, and all the stars and planets move around it. The guy who produced it isn’t too keen on the Jews either, so Icke shouldn’t have a problem with that. Enough of that NASA propaganda and the so-called Hubble Space Telescope!

Or perhaps when learning about geography, rather than programme them with all that software programming, we should show them the true, unbiased picture and help them to make their own minds up by counteracting all those mainstream, “scientifically acceptable” maps of the world and making them study a copy of “100 Proofs Earth is Not a Globe“. It wouldn’t at all be a complete, pointless waste of our time and theirs, it would be helping them overcome the programming of the system and feel the truth vibrations, maaan.

Dee’s is for Disingenuous

On the link I quoted earlier about David Icke complaining about the World Jewish Congress and it’s stance on holocaust denial, we find something rather interesting. Much of what Icke posts is links to external sites. If you click on this particular external site, you discover something surprising.

Headings around the side of the “Ugly Truth” blog which he has copied and pasted the words from include such beacons of tolerance as “The real face of Judaism and Zionism”. Either he takes a complete lack of care as to which sources he uses in his articles, in which case he’s not much of a “truth seeker” if he is too fecking lazy to look at the websites he’s citing, or he’s actually endorsing those views himself.

The “Ugly Truth” blog where Icke gets his holocaust denial story – found under the heading “illuminati criminals” has this as its logo:



Yeah. Right. It’s all about lizards. How dare you insult his important research! Get a brain, morans! Open your mind!

Now no doubt there will be those who at this point are going, “But you’re just trying to smear him by association!” let me ask you this. If you have somebody who is routinely copying and pasting stories from websites of that nature and giving these people a platform on their website, boosting their search rankings and so on, would you not think there was something rather suspicious about all their claims to simply be exposing the truth?

David Icke doesn’t copy and paste from their websites. He endorses what they say. He claims “the truth is anti-semitic”. He regularly goes on the shows of people like Jeff Rense, the wife-beating nutcase who looks like the bastard love-child of Bjorn from Abba and Josef Fritzl whose radio show is linked to on the front page of fucking Jew Watch, the website which Google had to apologise about a few years ago because it was showing up in their search results. If he’s not a racist then why is he continually giving these people a platform and allowing them to give him one?

Then, of course, there’s his illustrator, the guy who designs the cartoons and images on his site. The Dees Illustration Studio. Have a look around if you can stomach it. Every picture on the site seems to be about Jews, the front page of it shows Marx with a star of David on his coat and other images on the site show Israel depicted as a snake in the Middle East with a star of david on it. This picture is just mad as revisionists like David Irving are depicted as being superheroes pushing over police cars.

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I just don’t know what to say about this picture. Except that I’m quite glad I’ve never tried whatever it was they were taking when they designed it.



Nice guy this, huh?

David Icke’s illustrator has also illustrated a book called “Synagogue Rising” which is about “anti-Christian Judaism” and claims on its back cover that “our fight is with the conspiratorial and not the common Jew”. I wonder whether I could find out whether I’m a “conspiratorial” Jew or just a “common” one. Is there a test you can do on the internet? Hilariously it also tries to answer the question “why some Jews identify themselves as people of the serpent”. Just before the Torah is read and everyone is sitting comfortably, out comes some dude with a box of rattlesnakes for people to “test their faith” with. I suppose it would get everyone grateful to God they were alive at the end of the service.

David Icke’s forums another piece of evidence that belie his claims that he loves humanity and wants everyone to free their mind from the matrix. They are crawling with neo-Nazis, promoters of the Protocols and there is currently a thread in their general forum with openly pro-Hitler material in it. Several posters have signatures about Jews and the Protocols. He even claims that the Royal Family are secretly part of the “Illuminati” and are sacrificing children and drinking their blood!

Projection much?

Icke says that:

“Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are. They have such a contribution to make to the good of the world. But I have rarely met one who really loves themself or does not carry the burden of inherited guilt. My friends, it is all about control. It’s time to let it go. Jewish people (who, like the rest of us, are evolving consciousnesses which happen to be experiencing a Jewish lifetime), will never be free until they step out of the mental and emotional control of this tiny clique, which uses them in the most merciless ways to advance its own sick and diabolical ambitions, in league with an equally sick clique of non-Jews.”

Yet we then get this. And this. Are these “chosen people” the fake Jews or the real ones David?

ETA: Jews create anti-semitism by their own behaviour and “thought-patterns” (And the Truth will Set you Free, p.126):

The conditioned thought patterns in the collective Jewish mind have repeatedly created the physical reality of oppression, prejudice, and racism which matches the pattern – the expectation – programmed into their collective psyche. They expect it; they create it. When Jewish people as a whole break free from the mind control of their hierarchy and start to let go of those feelings of fear and expectation of prejudice, they will stop attracting such experiences to them.

Translation: “Those fucking kikes bring it on themselves by whining about being persecuted all the time. If they didn’t behave like this we wouldn’t have to be racist. They expect it. They create it. They ask for it.” The cry of every entitled superior little scumbag throughout the world seeking to justify their bullying of and violence towards those weaker than them, whether it’s racism or women who “ask for it” by walking down the street wearing the wrong clothes.

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[slimmouse]

I havent even read the above article it because there is little doubt ive been grappling with this kind of stuff since the day you arrived here.

The images contained within the latest copy pata actually speak for themselves in how people are meant to percieve Icke, in the eye of anyone stupid enough to continue falling for it.

I want some recent criticism of Icke. I would really like you to watch some recent videos, or read a recent book, or listen to a recent radio broadcast.

Lets see if you find the same kind of copy pasta information about Icke that has probably been boring this board more recently.

Lets hear it from you AD.

I might not agree with you, but at least I will truly respect that.

Any news on your efforts to stop the war in Syria? If you have, I would truly respect that too.

[American Dream]

I havent even read it because there is little doubt ive been grappling with this kind of stuff since the day you arrived here.

I want some recent criticism of Icke. I would really like you to watch some recent videos, or read a recent book, or listen to a recent radio broadcast.

Lets see if you find the same kind of copy pasta information about Icke that has probably been boring this board more recently.

Lets hear it from you AD.

I might not agree with you, but at least I will truly respect that.

The material you are avoiding is from May 28th of this year. Why don't you want to grapple with the specifics?

[slimmouse]

I havent even read it because there is little doubt ive been grappling with this kind of stuff since the day you arrived here.

I want some recent criticism of Icke. I would really like you to watch some recent videos, or read a recent book, or listen to a recent radio broadcast.

Lets see if you find the same kind of copy pasta information about Icke that has probably been boring this board more recently.

Lets hear it from you AD.

I might not agree with you, but at least I will truly respect that.

The material you are avoiding is from May 28th of this year. Why don't you want to grapple with the specifics?

And the quotes and imagery contained within are from where and when? There Ive grappled with it.