How to Overthrow the Illuminati

[American Dream]

http://www.social-ecology.org/1996/01/left-green-perspectives-35/

From Green Messiah to New Age Nazi

by Matthew Kalman and John Murray

Matthew Kalman and John Murray are editors of the eco-political investigative magazine Open Eye, which has been uncovering and exposing David Icke and “New Age Nazism.” Address: BM Open Eye, London WC1N 3XX. Issue 3 is available for £1.70.


It has been hard in recent years to ignore the rising popularity of almost everything that comes under the heading New Age. Yoga, meditation, Kabbalah, Buddhism, alternative medicine, environmentalism, and self-improvement, as well as an array of New Age therapies, have all gained in popularity, as have other fringe interests like UFOs and the paranormal, which often appeal to the same people. Few will have avoided at least some contact.

The movement even has its own stars. In Britain, David Icke, the TV sports commentator turned Green Party national spokesman turned purple-robed “Son of God,” is the best-known leader.

What this is saying is that yoga, meditation, Kabbalah, Buddhism, alternative medicine, environmentalism, self-improvement, UFOs and the paranormal are all part of a monolithic "movement" led by David Icke, and anyone who has not "avoided at least some contact" with these pernicious ideas is, if not already an anti-semitic Holocaust revisionist who reads the Spotlight, is in grave danger of being "enticed" onto the "anti-Semitic treadmill."

That's an enormous stretch, AD, do you really take such a claim seriously?

David Icke should be given a hard look, no question about that. His website forums are populated with real, actual nazis and Hitler-lovers. But -- practicing yoga leads to David Icke and the slippery antisemitic slope? Environmentalism?

This is starting to be outright offensive.

Do I think that "practicing yoga leads to David Icke and the slippery antisemitic slope? Environmentalism?"

Hardly! I practice both and I'm clearly not into David Icke. I do think he has drawn sustenance from the New Age and broadly links himself to those sorts of currents.

What though do you think though of the evidence that Icke veers into racism and the far right? That is what is should be disturbing to a thinking, moral and socially aware person, in my book....

AD, you did not address Elvis's point.

I think this article is relevant:

The Yoga of Hypocracy - Fighting Western Cultural Theft
Rationala - Journal of Indian Socialist Skeptics

by U.P. Ursulf and Ty Dinotz

The associating with activities and people who perform cultural appropriation, participating in activities that are stolen from the heart of India, from people of colour, that were stolen by Westerners seeking to appropriate any form of culture they could for financial or power gain is common in the West. As abhorrent as this clearly evident process is, there are other aspects worth fleshing out, in particular - Western hypocracy. A horrid practice that serves to perpetuate dominator power relations under a guise of fascist originated tropes like 'self-development' or'healthy living' is contributing to that cultural hegemony and yet, participants in this hypocritically give your theft a free pass.

This process has taken place going back to the involvement of racist anti-Semite Russian spy Helena Blavatsky in the appropriation of the indigenous fakir tradition of Northern India as a cover for the 'Great Game' activities of rival colonial powers seeking the extension of imperial
influence for both resource theft and cultural exploitation.

The theft of the respectful milleau of native Earth-centrered care and it's transformation into the racists and capital-backed 'Green Movement' has been documented in detail in previous issues. The clear links of environmentalism to the far right and neo-Nazis and virulent anti-Semites are obvious, particularly to anyone visiting far right Internet forums as discussed in the previous issue of the Journal. These places are filled with people involved with these areas, activities that are ignored by so-called mainstream 'Green' activists. Particular recruiting grounds for these extremists are activities like the extremist Permaculture cult, set up by some very questionable characters in Queensland Australia, an area that is a well-known hotbed of anti-Native Australian racism. Notorious raving virulent anti-Semite drug endorsing David Icke was notorious for his association with the UK Green Party. These cults appropriated the traditional farming methods of the Deccan Plateau, 're-branding' them as a Western invention.

The activities of those stealing Indian culture is inherently racist and fascist in nature and perpetuates dominator relations between Exploiter and Exploited, yet not only is this theft ignored by Western groups, it is actively encouraged in the form of mass media emphasis on fascist tropes of 'Health' which are no different than the Nazi-era Hitler Youth 'Back to The Land' movement. Participants in this traffic must be called out - and empowering strategies for the reclaiming of our culture from it's selfish co-option and use by self-interested Western forces, covered in self-generated 'figleafs', and full of willful blindness created.
Health and well-being are important issues in India; they deserve to be addressed without the theft of our culture.

I don't agree with the above article but I find it ridiculous. Is it a hoax, Searcher?

[American Dream]

Ok then, to continue

The leader of the Illuminists, a Bavarian professor of religious law named Adam Weishaupt, wanted to free the world “from all established religious and political authority”. His Order aimed to get rid of the kings and the churches that had ruled Europe since the Middle Ages, and make room for new forms of commerce, science, and democratic government that were struggling to emerge at the time. The Illuminists modeled themselves partly on the Jesuits, an order of Catholic priests, and partly on the Freemasons. They infiltrated Masonic lodges in order to gain influence in society, and pursue their goals.

Sounds like this fellow is a booster for this Masonic project.

A class of rich merchants arose in Europe, trading with far-flung parts of the globe. New technologies developed, and with them new kinds of skilled workers. These new classes started to wield more power than the kings and queens who were supposed to be on top according to law and tradition. The American Revolution demonstrated the power of these classes to the whole world, when they broke free from the British crown.

Ah do you mean new classes like our ‘eastern establishment’ with its roots in piracy and the British East India Tea Company?

I do wish more people were aware of Masonic involvement in the American revolutionary war. This is not to vilify them either. Generals Gage and Howe played cat and mouse with Washington when they could have crushed him most any time. Some say the Bunker hill general was trying to remind the British govt. and public how bloody the coming war might be. Burgoyne, the only non-masonic general was an extreme war hawk and was left hanging out to dry by Gage and Howe when they did not come to Burgoyne’s aid, which brought the French in and turned the tide in the war.

They disbanded around 1787. Like so many other groups of its kind, the Illuminists failed to bring about revolutionary changes. But revolutionary change happened without them.

Nice myth making there.

Your assumptions require you to say that revolutionary change happened without them. Nobody wants to think of themselves as patsies, revolutionaries most of all. It just spoils the motivation. I would think and do in fact see that ‘revolutionaries’ are some of the most strident anti-deep politics thinkers around.

Not everyone celebrated the changes sweeping through Europe, however. People whose social status depended on the old aristocracy and the church tended to resist the changes. Some of them wrote books, and this is how the first Illuminati conspiracy theories were created.

Who would expect anything different?

Today’s Illuminati theory follows the same pattern. Even poor people who draw on Illuminati theory, who might otherwise sympathize with protest movements, often view movements as secret ploys by the Illuminati to cause trouble.

Could this be because poor people are tired of being pawns in the power games of rich people?

Because of this association with Enlightenment radicalism, people who opposed revolution tended to view Freemasons as the enemy. This is a common pattern: the elite always think revolutions are planned and directed by a small group of enlightened people, instead of by masses of people themselves.

Maybe that is because the ‘elite’ knows that their infinite money machine can buy up a lot of patsies.

In reality, Masonic lodges are elaborate social clubs for people who want to feel elite. In some places, Masonic lodges have provided a place for intellectuals to discuss how to change society, but they’re usually pretty boring. If you go into a Masonic temple today, you’ll see groups of small business owners talking about how to plant trees on Main Street, not a secret group plotting to rule the world. Nevertheless, their association with the original Bavarian Order of Illuminists has meant they’re always included in Illuminati theory.

In reality there are always carrots and sticks.

I'll give a few quick responses though my brain and fingers aren't in gear enough for anything too detailed:

I don't think the authors are Masonic apologists as much as they are leftists who may have not known much about this sort of conspiracy culture before they started. That said, I personally am impressed by how much they developed their knowledge base. I don't know that the authors agree with Masonry but it sounds like they might characterize the Bavarian Illuminati's goals against Monarchy and Theocracy as somewhat progressive, though ultimately bourgeoisie and so not really "gettin' it"...

As to American elites "like our ‘eastern establishment’ with its roots in piracy and the British East India Tea Company", ok but this does not mean it was all a conspiracy run by some external locus of control. As to Masons in the American Revolutionary War, yes I think this deserves lots of historical investigation but was it all a big game, run by Masons? I don't see great evidence of this, though I have no doubt that revolutionists did try to solicit support from lodges on the European Continent...

The authors do say that the Bavarian Illuminati disbanded in 1787 and there is not good scholarship to show that they themselves persisted. I would personally agree that Pike and the Knights of the Golden Circle deserve good historical investigation and Skull & Bones also but neither is proof per se of one monolithic conspiracy controlling the world- just that elites with interests in occultism do conspire and do wield power...

Then you focus on the authors claim that the originators of Illuminati Theory were reactionaries. On this I think they are right.

As to poor people latching on to Illuminati Theory, I see mostly street vendors of book in poor black neighborhoods vending this sort of material. I think of it as going back to the Nation of Islam and those sorts of currents. I consider the Nation of Islam to be at worst very shady and at best very misguided...

As to this quote:

Because of this association with Enlightenment radicalism, people who opposed revolution tended to view Freemasons as the enemy. This is a common pattern: the elite always think revolutions are planned and directed by a small group of enlightened people, instead of by masses of people themselves.

I think there is something very profound here- certainly there has always been leadership in revolutions but also there always has been grassroots rebellion- spontaneous and semi-spontaneous uprisings. I think the authors are right to emphasize this and to reject the idea of one true party with one true dogma leading/controlling radical rebellion.

As to the roles of Masonry in politics, I think many people join for business reasons, or to fix parking tickets, or to get drunk and use hookers, or for real mystical aspiration, or for many other reasons. I think some lodges like P2 have a real place on the deep politics map but this is by no means the same as one overarching conspiracy controlling the world...

[Searcher08]

I thought my name Ty Dinotz (Tied In knots) was perhaps a push...
You probably felt similar to reading it to how both Elvis and myself felt about the previous article. Sometimes, the appropriate response to ridiculous low quality nonsense is not point by point rebuttal, rather a custard pie.

Anyway - Some (serious) comments on your considered reply to Sounder.

I think one area that deserves investigation is the origin of the Skull and Bones, because it appears to be from a Hegelian philosophy influenced Germanic University Society origin.

I think 'How to Overthrow the Illumiinati' is a misnomer primarily because the is not a singular, rather there are many; it adopts a very Western-centric attitude, that there is ONE elite, a single pyramid.
I think this leaves out evidence of other cultures which were well-known for having very evil elites - for example The Hasisheen cult which lasted for hundreds of years, wielding great power across the Middle East until finally destroyed by the Mongols; the mystical Sufi founders of the Persian Safavid Empire and the Thuggee cult of serial killers in India are other examples. Certainly Japanese society at the turn of the century was also absolutely teeming with home grown mystical occult-based cults (not talking about Zen / Shinto); many of these organisation still exist and wield enormous power in Japanese politics - such as Soko Gakkai, the powerful parent organisation of Nichren Sochen (sp?) (chant for a new car) Buddhism.

[American Dream]

I thought my name Ty Dinotz (Tied In knots) was perhaps a push...
You probably felt similar to reading it to how both Elvis and myself felt about the previous article. Sometimes, the appropriate response to ridiculous low quality nonsense is not point by point rebuttal, rather a custard pie.

Anyway - Some (serious) comments on your considered reply to Sounder.

I think one area that deserves investigation is the origin of the Skull and Bones, because it appears to be from a Hegelian philosophy influenced Germanic University Society origin.

I think 'How to Overthrow the Illumiinati' is a misnomer primarily because the is not a singular, rather there are many; it adopts a very Western-centric attitude, that there is ONE elite, a single pyramid.
I think this leaves out evidence of other cultures which were well-known for having very evil elites - for example The Hasisheen cult which lasted for hundreds of years, wielding great power across the Middle East until finally destroyed by the Mongols; the mystical Sufi founders of the Persian Safavid Empire and the Thuggee cult of serial killers in India are other examples. Certainly Japanese society at the turn of the century was also absolutely teeming with home grown mystical occult-based cults (not talking about Zen / Shinto); many of these organisation still exist and wield enormous power in Japanese politics - such as Soko Gakkai, the powerful parent organisation of Nichren Sochen (sp?) (chant for a new car) Buddhism.

I agree that the origins of Skull & Bones are well worthy of investigation and provide a possible link to the Bavarian Illuminati but why cite Hegel? Is there really good evidence that he was an evil conspirator?

I also agree that investigating mystical conspiracies is an interesting endeavor and the conspiracies are indeed often different and more unconnected than connected. I would also add to the Japanese list the Green Dragon Society and also note that while Arkon Daraul, Trevor Ravenscroft, Pauwels & Bergier etc. dropped lots of intriguing facts, some of the claims of each of the above are disputed with what is apparently good reason...

[minime]

With respect to whoever it was that said it is obvious who the Illuminati (whatever that is) are that are at work in the world today...

and I have a few ideas of my own...

as inconstancy and deception are endemic in world events, the enemy may be our friend in disguise, and vice versa.

While it is interesting and helpful to attend to the man behind the curtain, I find myself more and more intrigued, as time goes by, by the curtain itself.

[Wombaticus Rex]

[Sounder]

Minime wrote...

With respect to whoever it was that said it is obvious who the Illuminati (whatever that is) are that are at work in the world today...

and I have a few ideas of my own...

as inconstancy and deception are endemic in world events, the enemy may be our friend in disguise, and vice versa.

While it is interesting and helpful to attend to the man behind the curtain, I find myself more and more intrigued, as time goes by, by the curtain itself.

Yes, thank-you minime

And Welcome to our side show.

New scripts are always in the works.

[seemslikeadream]

Come inside, the show's about to start
guaranteed to blow your head apart
Rest assured you'll get your money's worth
The greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth.
You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo.
You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll ....


Right before your eyes we pull laughter from the skies

[Sounder]

As to American elites "like our ‘eastern establishment’ with its roots in piracy and the British East India Tea Company", ok but this does not mean it was all a conspiracy run by some external locus of control. As to Masons in the American Revolutionary War, yes I think this deserves lots of historical investigation but was it all a big game, run by Masons? I don't see great evidence of this, though I have no doubt that revolutionists did try to solicit support from lodges on the European Continent...

I do not understand why you think I think, or why you think it’s appropriate to suggest that I do think that it ‘means it was all a conspiracy run by some external locus of control.’

When I hear ‘all a conspiracy’, I hear an attempt to say; ‘Yes conspiracies are involved but in the total order of things they are a minor element’.

In one manner of speaking I very much agree. In totality there are myriad forces that contribute to our situation. However, if one accepts that a good distinction between normal influencing and conspiracy is in the matter of disclosure, then one might accept that there are all kinds of ‘conspiratorial’ actors. Of course it does not ‘all’ come down to the ‘Illuminati’ whoever ‘they’ are, none the less, there are and always have been ‘players’ that understand the game better than most of us, and use that understanding maintain unfair advantage.

Please be clear on this AD. I have never been a fan of either Icke or Jones. Atzmon, ok another story, he has his faults but he points out some issues that I had not considered before, so I like that. So sue me.

The authors do say that the Bavarian Illuminati disbanded in 1787 and there is not good scholarship to show that they themselves persisted. I would personally agree that Pike and the Knights of the Golden Circle deserve good historical investigation and Skull & Bones also but neither is proof per se of one monolithic conspiracy controlling the world- just that elites with interests in occultism do conspire and do wield power...

Then you focus on the authors claim that the originators of Illuminati Theory were reactionaries. On this I think they are right.

Originators of Illuminati theory were indeed monarchical and reactionary elements, as I hope to not feel obliged to agree to a third time. Maybe some day we can get into how neither side is either totally good guys or bad guys. As such, it is not prudent to discount the totality of what someone says because you don’t like their politics. (Hell, I don't like anybody's politics, but I still try to listen.)

As to poor people latching on to Illuminati Theory, I see mostly street vendors of book in poor black neighborhoods vending this sort of material. I think of it as going back to the Nation of Islam and those sorts of currents. I consider the Nation of Islam to be at worst very shady and at best very misguided...

Yes, I also consider ‘illuminati theory’ to be a poor signifier and the Nation of Islam to be pernicious bastardizer of signifiers also. But so what?


Random musing, it might apply somewhere. It is problematic to translate accurately or even usefully sometimes, the signifiers of one culture into the category structures of an exceptionalist model such as ours is without being or becoming racist in essential outcome.

The monolithic nature of conspiracy is nested in our conceptual structuring system, and not in the power pretenses of any singular group of men.

These actors would be nothing without the support of the coercion enabling aspects afforded by a split model of reality.

Dealing with capitalism does not go deep enough.

[American Dream]

I do not understand why you think, or why you think it’s appropriate to suggest that I do think that it ‘means it was all a conspiracy run by some external locus of control.’

When I hear ‘all a conspiracy’, I hear an attempt to say; ‘Yes conspiracies are involved but in the total order of things they are a minor element’.

In one manner of speaking I very much agree. In totality there are myriad forces that contribute to our situation. However, if one accepts that a good distinction between normal influencing and conspiracy is in the matter of disclosure, then one might accept that there are all kinds of ‘conspiratorial’ actors. Of course it does not ‘all’ come down to the ‘Illuminati’ whoever ‘they’ are, none the less, there are and always have been ‘players’ that understand the game better than most of us, and use that understanding maintain unfair advantage.

I didn't mean to suggest that you must think it's all one big conspiracy, as I really have no idea how you see it. I was responding more to what Illuminati Theory- in the broadest sense- might say. My apologies if I seemed to be putting words in your mouth unfairly.

Originators of Illuminati theory were indeed monarchical and reactionary elements, as I hope to not feel obliged to agree to a third time. Maybe some day we can get into how neither side is either totally good guys or bad guys. As such, it is not prudent to discount the totality of what someone says because you don’t like their politics.

Yeah- not discounting the totality of what is said by the John Birch Society and the Nation of Islam as well as the originators of Illuminati Theory- and certainly not only because I disagree with them on certain political questions. More so I think they get a lot wrong, in part because of ideological agenda.

Yes, I also consider ‘illuminati theory’ to be a poor signifier and the Nation of Islam to be pernicious bastardizer of signifiers also. But so what?

Random musing, it might apply somewhere. It is problematic to translate accurately or even usefully sometimes, the signifiers of one culture into the category structures of an exceptionalist model such as ours is without being or becoming racist in essential outcome.

I think you might be acknowledging that NOI doctrine is essentially rebellious/insurgent. If so, I also see things this way but think they get things wrong in part because of sincere errors by the founders, in part due to outside inducement from the FBI and other forces unfriendly towards black liberation. Malcolm X died and the dope flowed but a lot of people suffered more than they had to...

[Joao]

This is relevant to the concerns raised in recent conversations here:

THE TWILIGHT OF VANGUARDISM
by David Graeber

Revolutionary thinkers have been saying that the age of vanguardism is over for most of a century now. Outside of a handful of tiny sectarian groups, it’s almost impossible to find a radical intellectuals seriously believe that their role should be to determine the correct historical analysis of the world situation, so as to lead the masses along in the one true revolutionary direction. [...]

Shoutout from p.8 to say thanks for this. I learned from it.

You didn't post the whole thing, though--I'm glad I didn't like your formatting and searched for a copy on another site: david-graeber-the-twilight-of-vanguardism

[coffin_dodger]

Syria: a vote of no-confidence in the President
by Jon Rappoport
September 7, 2013
http://www.nomorefakenews.com

As members of Congress reveal that calls to their offices are overwhelmingly against the war, and the House considers it may not vote at all, in order to spare Obama embarrassment, we can see a version of what refusing to vote for a president on election day looks like.

It looks like: no-confidence.

Every four years, I write about this possibility. Suppose only 19% of eligible voters showed up at the polls. It would speak loudly: The American people no longer trust the major candidates. They no longer trust the charade. They no longer trust the vote-count. They know both major candidates work for the same Globalist machine.

No-confidence.

Well, here it is. On the issue of the war.

I’m not saying the Congress will reject war. They may go ahead and drive the steamroller over the people. But it’s getting a little hairy for them.

And remember this. The media play any significant presidential victory as a signal that all his programs and plans are getting a boost. But on the flip side, that means a significant failure, in full view of the country, will register—despite the hype and explanations—as a weakening of his overall standing.

Washington DC registers such shifts in power like starving dogs smelling bloody meat. They attack.

War is supposed to be such a big deal that it’s a foregone conclusion, if the President wants it. He either sends the planes on his own, or Congress rubber stamps his position first. But this time, it’s different.

This time it’s: do we believe the President and his “evidence” and his claim that he’s taking the moral high ground; or don’t we. The question is in plain sight. It’s out there for all to see.

The push to war is such an obvious fabrication, only a complete fool or a dyed-in-the-wool Obama believer would opt for attacking Syria. The hypnotic Obama bubble is bursting, even for many of the faith.

In my last article on Syria, I pointed out that the super-secret Congressional intell briefing was a sham. It was all generality and no hard evidence. It was basically arm twisting.

So what’s left? Nothing. “Do what the President wants you to do.”

If Congress says yes, they’ll go down deeper into the dumper with Obama. These barnacles on the body politic can do one thing: assess self-interest and electability. They’re thinking about it.

They’re in the pressure cooker.

Taking a step back…do you think Obama woke up one day and said, “Hold on here. Assad just used chemical weapons on his own people. I have to take action. I have to punish him.”

Of course not. This idea came from somewhere else. It’s been on the table for years, as part of a Middle East strategy to destabilize the whole region. It’s, on one level, a Mossad-CIA plan, with a Saudi twist. On a higher level, it’s a Globalist operation, whose end game is order from chaos.

Partition nations into warring ethnic enclaves, disrupt the oil flow, create, therefore, planet-wide depression, and come in behind that to install new fascist dictator-puppets, bringing in international banksters to “re-finance” the whole region and own it from the ground up.

Obama is just another renter in the White House, playing the cards he was dealt. He goes along with the show, introducing his own prejudices, like any other President, and takes what he can get.

He’s no magic man, and now his juice is running out.

A no-confidence vote against war on Syria could, however, expand to mean no-confidence in any White House occupant from the two major parties.

Waking up is hard to do, but if the American people keep their eyes open, they’ll see that this Syria escapade is just one more example of an agenda that betrays any sane person’s idea of what America is supposed to be.

The only kind of transcendent President, in these times, would be one who, after a year or so in office, would hold a press conference and say, “I’ve learned I’m being run. Men are controlling the office of President. I’m supposed to take their orders. Here is what I know about them. Here are their names. Here is what they told me. Here is how they’re trying to coerce me. This is the story, the real story about what has happened to this country…”

To which people might say, “How could a President do that? They’d kill him.”

Exactly. That’s why I used the word “transcendent.”

Every American President sends soldiers to their deaths, and he kills people in distant countries. To be “transcendent” is to put his own life on the line, too.

That should give you some idea about why no-votes signaling no confidence in Presidents are vital. None of them will go as far as necessary to blow the cover on who really runs this nation.

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/ ... president/

[American Dream]

"New World Order" as shorthand for the period we are entering where Capital is increasingly transnational, sure. "Illuminati" as shorthand for elites, sure. That everything is rigged by the one big conspiracy, ancient, mystical, all-powerful and all-knowing, I ain't buying it.

Where is the compelling evidence for example that this sort of chart should be accepted as the literal truth:

[American Dream]

Fundamentalists, the Illuminati, Freemasons, and the UN
Posted: June 18, 2012

An overlooked danger of fundamentalism is how it can indirectly result in believing absurdities, quite apart from religion. Everybody knows fundamentalists believe unlikely things about God. Less known is their propensity for believing equally implausible things about the world more generally.

Take the surprisingly widespread belief among evangelicals that they are the victims of a vast conspiracy by liberals, New Agers, Satanists, and Freemasons. Great numbers of evangelicals seriously believe in an ancient Illuminati plot to destroy Christianity. Their conversation on the subject sounds like the plot of a Dan Brown novel (and, incredibly, Dan Brown’s books are actually better written than the fundy literature), but there’s no suggestion that it’s fiction.

So, because laughing at fundamentalism is fun, and because you won’t believe the extent of the insanity unless I show you, here’s a condensed guide to Fundamentalist Conspiracy Theory (and I mean condensed. I could write books about this).

Note: This is a longer post, so for those who are pressed for time and/or attention span, I’ve included a bullet-point summary at the end. Everyone else, I do think it’s worth it, or I wouldn’t have bothered writing it.

Pat Robertson’s 1991 book The New World Order: It Will Change the Way You Live is the most direct exposition of this conspiracy theory. Robertson, remember, ran a credible bid for the 1988 Republican Presidential nomination (there’s a cheery alternative reality to imagine). He says that the Order of the Illuminati, who are devil worshippers, aims “to establish a new world order based on the overthrow of civil governments, the church, and private property.” These men have gained positions of power such that world leaders are simply their puppets, he warns:

“Indeed, it may well be that men of goodwill like Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter, and George Bush… are in reality unknowingly and unwittingly carrying out the mission and mouthing the phrases of a tightly knit cabal whose goal is nothing less than a new order for the human race under the domination of Lucifer and his followers.”

Masons Through History

Pat explains that Illuminati founder Adam Weishaupt infiltrated the Continental Order of Freemasons. He used this as a vehicle to put Illuminati members into key French government positions and trigger the French Revolution. They brought “satanic carnage” to France in a bid to bring about the New World Order.

Freemasons were subsequently responsible for the writing of the Communist Manifesto and funding the Russian Revolution. Not only this, but they were equally behind the rise of Nazism. Adolf Hitler was one of them, we are told, and “a man trained in the occult and surrounded by occultists.”

Since then, the Freemasons have been covertly working to control mankind through untouchable positions of influence.



Robertson claims the pyramid and eye are Illuminati symbols that show Masonic powers control the USA.



Continues at: http://leavingfundamentalism.wordpress. ... nd-the-un/

[Elvis]

http://www.social-ecology.org/1996/01/left-green-perspectives-35/

From Green Messiah to New Age Nazi

by Matthew Kalman and John Murray

Matthew Kalman and John Murray are editors of the eco-political investigative magazine Open Eye, which has been uncovering and exposing David Icke and “New Age Nazism.” Address: BM Open Eye, London WC1N 3XX. Issue 3 is available for £1.70.


It has been hard in recent years to ignore the rising popularity of almost everything that comes under the heading New Age. Yoga, meditation, Kabbalah, Buddhism, alternative medicine, environmentalism, and self-improvement, as well as an array of New Age therapies, have all gained in popularity, as have other fringe interests like UFOs and the paranormal, which often appeal to the same people. Few will have avoided at least some contact.

The movement even has its own stars. In Britain, David Icke, the TV sports commentator turned Green Party national spokesman turned purple-robed “Son of God,” is the best-known leader.

What this is saying is that yoga, meditation, Kabbalah, Buddhism, alternative medicine, environmentalism, self-improvement, UFOs and the paranormal are all part of a monolithic "movement" led by David Icke, and anyone who has not "avoided at least some contact" with these pernicious ideas is, if not already an anti-semitic Holocaust revisionist who reads the Spotlight, is in grave danger of being "enticed" onto the "anti-Semitic treadmill."

That's an enormous stretch, AD, do you really take such a claim seriously?

David Icke should be given a hard look, no question about that. His website forums are populated with real, actual nazis and Hitler-lovers. But -- practicing yoga leads to David Icke and the slippery antisemitic slope? Environmentalism?

This is starting to be outright offensive.

Do I think that "practicing yoga leads to David Icke and the slippery antisemitic slope? Environmentalism?"

Hardly! I practice both and I'm clearly not into David Icke. I do think he has drawn sustenance from the New Age and broadly links himself to those sorts of currents.

What though do you think though of the evidence that Icke veers into racism and the far right? That is what is should be disturbing to a thinking, moral and socially aware person, in my book....

What I'm saying is, I can't understand why you'd bolster your point with a weak thesis condemning yoga and environmentalism (etc.) as evil facets of a racist "movement" led by David Icke. The authors are either incredibly sloppy thinkers and researchers, or plain dishonest. Their real targets seem to be everything 'alternative', linking them all -- yoga, environmentalism etc. -- with David Icke and the racist right; I'm surprised that doesn't offend you.

To answer your question, I think Icke veers all over the road and there's no question that he picks up far-right kooks and "Hitler-not-such-a-bad-guy" nutcases. My advice to friends is to stay away from that bathwater. Landing in his forum on some unrelated Google search, I was just astonished that those poisonous posters are allowed to continue there (I don't know what the moderation policies are, if any, but that short visit gave me added appreciation of the moderating principles here on this forum).

So I'm with you on the need to discern racism when it comes in pretty packages, but let's also discern the value of our sources when exposing it. I think you've made your case sufficiently without resorting to articles like the one above and the pathetically inconsequential "Consprituality" piece.