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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby KeenInsight » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:12 am

I remember when the intelligence given to the U.S. was so solid, that it got thousands and millions of Iraqies killed. Dead is Dead, and their lives are gone forever. Even then, knowing what I knew early on learning about the lies of the Vietnam War; I knew the public was being fed a lie. They must think the majority of people are fools.

Its interesting to see how far social media and alternative media have come in denouncing mainstream media for the shills they are and causing governments to back pedal trying to cover up or explain their lies. Its quite amusing.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby OP ED » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:32 am

KeenInsight » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:12 am wrote:I remember when the intelligence given to the U.S. was so solid, that it got thousands and millions of Iraqies killed. Dead is Dead, and their lives are gone forever. Even then, knowing what I knew early on learning about the lies of the Vietnam War; I knew the public was being fed a lie. They must think the majority of people are fools.

Its interesting to see how far social media and alternative media have come in denouncing mainstream media for the shills they are and causing governments to back pedal trying to cover up or explain their lies. Its quite amusing.


they do think that the majority of people are fools. television ratings [alone] provide much evidence to support this belief.
reminds me of something my father used to say.
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alternative media has always been more progressive. social media, of course, says whatever we wish for it to say. it has great potential.

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby conniption » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:07 am

Esquire

Sep 9, 2013

Syria Day One: Let The Debates Begin

By Charles P. Pierce at 4:36PM

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A protestor raises a Syrian flag today in front of the Capitol building, where Congress is debating over the resolution to make war in Syria.

Debate began in the Senate this afternoon over the resolution to make war in Syria, and the lines of argument were clearly drawn. The Democrats are going to be confused and pathetic, and the Republicans are going to be toweringly hypocritical. The entire dispute is going to be conducted between those two general schools of thought. This is not the way a great power should decide whether or not to make a war. Hell, this is not the way that a kindergartner should decide whether or not to throw a rock.

The debate opened in the context of two other events. The first was a preposterous speech given by Susan Rice to the New America Foundation in which the distance between Susan Rice in 2013 and Condoleezza Rice in 2002 vanished entirely.

"Failing to respond could indicate that the United States is not prepared to use all the tools necessary to keep our nation secure... [it] would raise questions around the world as to whether the United States is truly prepared to use the full range of its power...Other global hotspots might flare up...Most disturbingly, it would send a perverse message to those who seek to use the world's worse weapons, that you can use these weapons blatantly and just get away with it...threaten our soldiers in the region and even potentially our citizens at home.




Dear god.

It would have been better if she'd just sent the transcript out in an aluminum tube.

The other was the sudden development by which the Russians seemed to take seriously John Kerry's perhaps-not-entirely-accidental gaffe about Syria's chemical weapons hors de combat under UN supervision. Everybody from the White House, to the Brits, to Wolf and the gang on CNN, to Hillary Clinton, who would rather not run for president with this albatross around her neck, thanks, announced that they would consider the Russian offer very seriously. It certainly would expose exactly who besides Senator Grumpy Grampa and his sidekick, Huckleberry J. Butchmeup, is in this purely to get their war on.

The news got some run during the opening of the debate, in which Harry Reid wasted very little time getting to Auschwitz and "Never again." Next up was Dan Coats of Indiana who, as a Republican, was very concerned about mission creep, and also seemed paradoxiically concerned that the proposed strikes would be too small to do much good, but big enough to "exhaust" the American people before the really big Boom Boom against Iran, which Coats would support, I suspect, if it were a Republican president launching it.

"I fear," Coats said, "that the limited punitive actions will embolden Iran because there is no broader strategic concept behind the policy. I fear that the American people will be too exhausted to confront the real strategic enemy."

It's all about Iran. And Republican presidents.

But, alas, Democratic senator Bill Nelson of Florida followed up with a request that the president use some visual aids in his speech on Tuesday night, and things really went to the zoo. He made Coats sound like Demosthenes.

"I hope the president shows some clips from the videos," Nelson said. "If he did, the American people could see the reason why, almost a century ago, in the 1920's, the nations of the world came together to ban the use of chemical weapons. If you can see the videos, you will see why. You will see what happens to human beings when they struggle for life before the throes of death overtake them. I hope the president will show these Tuesday night."

(Me, too. Quick, kids, gather 'round the TV!)

Nelson also cited other chemical weapons as weapons of mass destruction. "There's mustard gas, and a toxin called VX, and that doesn't have to be inhaled to do its evil deeds. It can be absorbed through the skin."

Jebus Christmas, that's terrible. The British probably shouldn't have invented that stuff. Later, Nelson made sure we remembered that, a while back, he gave the old why-I-oughta to Assad himself. "This senator is someone who actually has visited with Mr. Assad," Nelson said, "and had a sharp exchange over what he was doing in Lebanon. He was harboring Hezbollah. He was harboring Hamas, and of course, he denied that." By the time he got to North Korea and its "huge stockpile of chemical weapons," I decided that there wasn't much going to be said that I hadn't heard before, and the week had only just begun.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Elvis » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:41 pm

Anyone else catch this?:

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HAGEL: Well of course, but I’m not aware that the Administration is not misleading the public about this or any other issue.


A slip of the tongue, I know, but still it's funny at least.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:38 pm

Docs: Officials Misused US Surveillance Program

by The Associated Press
September 10, 2013 6:23 PM

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Government officials for nearly three years accessed data on thousands of domestic phone numbers they shouldn't have and then misrepresented their actions to a secret spy court to reauthorize the government's surveillance program, documents released Tuesday show.

The Obama administration had earlier conceded that its surveillance program scooped up more domestic phone calls and emails than authorized. But until Tuesday, the depths of the program's abuse were unknown.

According to the documents released by the administration, a spy court judge in 2009 was so fed up with the government's overreaching that he threatened to shutter the surveillance program designed to fight terrorism. Judge Reggie Walton said in March 2009 that he had "lost confidence" in officials' ability to legally operate the surveillance program.

The NSA told the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that month that "from a technical standpoint, there was no single person who had a complete technical understanding" of how the program's computer system worked.

Walton issued his blistering opinion after discovering government officials had been accessing domestic phone records for nearly three years without "reasonable, articulate suspicion" that they were connected to terrorism. For instance, he noted that only 1,935 phone numbers out of 17,835 on a list investigators were working with in early 2009 met that standard.

Walton said the government's excuse that analysis believed his order applied only to archived phone records "strained credulity," and he ordered the National Security Agency to conduct an "end-to-end" review of its processes and policies while also ordering closer monitoring of its activities.

Later in 2009, a Justice Department lawyer reported to the spy court a "likely violation" of NSA surveillance rules. The lawyer said that in some cases, it appeared the NSA was distributing sensitive phone records by email to as many as 189 analysts, but only 53 were approved by the court to see them.

Walton wrote that he was "deeply troubled by the incidents," which he said occurred just weeks after the NSA had performed a major review of its internal practices because of the initial problems reported earlier in the year.

The judge said in November 2009 that on the same day that the NSA counterterrorism office reminded employees they were not allowed to indiscriminately share phone records with co-workers — and one day after a similar reminder from the agency's lawyers — an NSA analyst improperly shared information with colleagues who were not approved to see it.

Walton also noted that sometimes a U.S. phone number would be reassigned by phone companies, and in such cases the NSA would scrutinize the records of an innocent customer. Walton called such cases "a source of concern by the court." He noted that, months earlier, the court ordered the NSA to explain more fully how it chooses which phone numbers to search and to delete any information that was improperly collected.

"This report was not sufficiently detailed to allay the court's concerns," Walton wrote. He ordered the NSA going forward to regularly tell the court the number of phone records searched, the time period they could be searched and details about how the NSA analysts were conducting searches suggested by results from other searches.

The hundreds of previously classified documents federal officials released Tuesday came in response to a lawsuit filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

The Obama administration has been facing mounting pressure to reveal more details about the government's domestic surveillance program since a former intelligence contractor released documents showing massive National Security Agency trawling of domestic data.

The information included domestic telephone numbers, calling patterns and the agency's collection of Americans' Internet user names, IP addresses and other metadata swept up in surveillance of foreign terror suspects.

The Obama administration's decision to release the documents comes just two weeks after it declassified three secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court opinions — including one in response to a separate EFF lawsuit in federal court in Washington. In that October 2011 opinion, Judge John D. Bates said he was troubled by at least three incidents over three years where government officials admitted to mistaken collection of domestic data.

The NSA's huge surveillance machine proved unwieldy even for the experts inside the agency. In a long report to the surveillance court in August 2009, the Obama administration blamed its mistakes on the complexity of the system and "a lack of shared understanding among the key stakeholders" about the scope of the surveillance.

Complexity has been a theme since the NSA leaks began this summer. Though Obama said Congress was briefed on the programs, members of Congress said they were surprised to learn how vast and intrusive the surveillance was. Even Rep. James Sensenbrenner, who sponsored the Patriot Act, said he never knew it would be used to sweep up phone records of every American.
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Postby elfismiles » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:45 pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4k80kqM3X4

In this MSNBC roundtable discussion, Hillary Mann Leverett, a veteran of both the Bush and Clinton administrations, took on three liberal warmongers and the moderator questioning the consequences of helping Al Qaeda rebels if they conducted the attack on civilians and told them “the rest of the world does not believe what we’re saying for good reason. We made it up last time”.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:35 am

So what happened? Where's the "we must act"? Oh wait, what's that, you want to give *gasp* negotiations with third parties a try?
Makes you wonder if Obama ever intended to push the red button, or if it was just a giant psyche out to gain some cred with the neocons...who in turn just heckled him anyways.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby justdrew » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:17 am

or, one could see the administration quite intentionally heel dragging to give time for opposition to develop. The cheerleaders for war and regime change very clearly would have preferred the cruise missiles went in weeks ago, the day after the attack preferably. If the "punishment" strike had been made a fait accompli, many now opposing would have had no choice but to support it. Also, it's possible (and I'm nearly sure some would have been counting on it) that we would have taken some casualties in the strike, and that would have been more than enough to require escalation.

I hesitate to use this analogy, but it looks like he's been successfully pulling off a Brer Rabbit strategy. It's Bay of Pigs all over again, but none dare call it so.

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Postby parel » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:56 am

President Obama Nominates Congresswoman Barbara Lee to be Representative to United Nations
Sep 10, 2013 Issues: Global Peace & Security
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 10, 2013
Contact: Carrie Adams (202) 225-2661

Washington, D.C.— Today, President Obama announced his nomination of Congresswoman Barbara Lee to be a Representative of the United States to the Sixty-eighth Session of the General Assembly of the United Nations.
Congresswoman Lee will continue to represent the 13th Congressional District of California while she assumes the duties of a Representative to the United Nations:

“I am deeply honored by this nomination to be a Representative of the United States to the Sixty-eighth Session of the General Assembly of the United Nations, and I am looking forward to representing my Congressional colleagues at the United Nations. I’d also like to extend my thanks to President Obama, Speaker Boehner, and Leader Pelosi for their support.

“The United Nations is a critical body in our global community, and is essential to our shared future. This nomination comes at a time when tensions in our world are at a fever-pitch, and I believe now more than ever that the United States must fully engage the United Nations and the international community to ensure a safer and more peaceful world.

“It will be my goal as a Representative to the U.N. to help foster stronger ties, deeper bonds, and increase our commitment to the vision of the United Nations: a better world for all.”

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Follow Barbara Lee on Facebook and Twitter at @RepBarbaraLee. To learn more, visit lee.house.gov.


Congresswoman Lee is a member of the Appropriations and Budget Committees, the Steering and Policy Committee, is a Senior Democratic Whip, as well as the Whip of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC), where she serves as the Co-Chair of the CPC Peace and Security Task Force.


Barbara Lee's Rebellion: The Making of the Left's Antiwar Voice on Syria
Once she received death threats for her antiwar politics. Now the rest of the country is beginning to catch up with the congresswoman from Berkeley.

By Lucia Graves
September 9, 2013 | 12:52 p.m.


Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., after a meeting with President Obama and members of the Congressional Black Caucus at the White House, on Thursday, March 11, 2010.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon) (Alex Brandon/AP)
There was a time when Rep. Barbara Lee was accused of treason and got so many death threats for her antiwar politics she needed around-the-clock police protection. Now, a decade and two unpopular wars later, the congresswoman who cast the only vote against the war in Afghanistan has moved from the fringe to the forefront, becoming a preeminent voice in the president's own party against his effort to bomb Syria.
Lee is an influential member of both the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus—two groups President Obama desperately needs on his side. Inside Congress, she has helped spearhead the lobbying effort against a Syria strike, and she was among the more prominent members of the CPC briefed by the White House last week. "They've been very persuasive about the intelligence and the fact that we must do something," she told The Washington Post's Greg Sargent. What was less persuasive, she said, was the idea that the only option right now is a military option.
"I'm not a pacifist," Lee told National Journal in an interview. "I think we need to hold those accountable for any types of crimes against humanity, weapons of mass destruction, chemical attacks on our country. This is a given. We've got to do that. But you also have to understand what you're doing and the context."
The story of how Lee emerged as one of Congress's most powerful antiwar voices on Syria is one that's well told by numbers. In 2001 when she voted against the use of force in Afghanistan, she acted alone. In 2003, when she sponsored legislation to repeal the congressional authorization of war in Iraq, her legislation received 72 votes. In August of 2013, a demand that Obama seek authorization from Congress before taking any action against Syria garnered the support of more than 150 lawmakers and from both sides of the political aisle.
That most recent push on Syria consisted of two letters sent to Obama last month. One was authored by Lee; the other was authored by Republican Rep. Scott Rigell of Virginia, who has been whipping Republican votes against a strike. Rigell, perhaps the closest thing Lee has to a Republican counterpart on Syria, tweeted his support for Lee's letter in August:


Lee also has an alliance on the issue with Libertarian-leaning Republicans such as Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan and Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, who have been outspoken in their isolationism.
It's a level of support that seemed unimaginable back in September 2001 when Lee came out against granting then-President George W. Bush broad authority to use military force in Afghanistan. The vote occurred just three days after the 9/11 attacks, when America was in still in shock and wanted retribution. Of the 535 members of Congress, Lee cast the only dissenting vote.
Following that vote she was called "treacherous," "treasonous" and a "clueless liberal." A conservative columnist wrote, "Ms. Lee is a long-practicing supporter of America's enemies—from Fidel Castro on down." And David Horowitz in National Review called her "an anti-American communist who supports America's enemies and has actively collaborated with them in their war against America."
Back then, her position seemed like political suicide, and had she represented any other part of the country, it might have been. But Lee hails from Berkeley, Calif., a place so antiwar that a month after the 9/11 attacks, the local fire chief had to pull flags off vehicles for fear that protesters would rip them off.
Now it seems the rest of the country is beginning to look a bit more like Berkeley.
The antiwar shift in Congress reflects a deeper, more meaningful shift in the country's opinion about American interventionism. As National Journal's Ronald Brownstein observed, "The unease about military action in Syria has many roots. But its core is a diminished faith that U.S.-led military actions can produce benefits that exceed their costs, especially in the Middle East." A recent poll found American support for U.S. intervention in Syria to be lower than for any intervention in the last 20 years.
And nobody is better positioned to capitalize on that shift than Lee. While other progressive lawmakers such as Rep. Alan Grayson of Florida have emerged more recently as leading voices in stopping a war with Syria, as reported by The Atlantic's Molly Ball, Lee has been there all along.
"There've been a number of folks who really admire her principled stance and look to her as someone who's willing to take those principled stances when they need to be taken," said Stephen Miles, coalition coordinator for Win Without War, a group of organizations that promote a demilitarized U.S. foreign policy. In this case, he says, such stances are necessary. "You get to choose how wars start but not how they end," Miles explained. "I think we're seeing that play out again in Syria."
"Congresswoman Barbara Lee is someone who consistently does the right thing not just when it's easy but when it's hard," said Becky Bond, political director for CREDO Mobile, which has been whipping votes against a Syria strike and, along with other progressive advocacy groups, has organized a Monday-night vigil. "Lee has been organizing year in, year out since that vote in 2001," Bond added. "She brings to this debate history and gravitas and organizing power."
"We love her. We absolutely love her," said Howie Klein of Democratic PAC ActBlue, praising Lee as the "preeminent" antiwar voice in Congress. "She's someone who I've long thought should be part of the Democratic leadership in a real way."
So far Lee, who loudly called for the president to seek authorization for a Syria strike from Congress, feels victorious and grateful. "I compliment and thank the president for coming to Congress," she told National Journal. "That was the right thing to do. But, also, how he has handled this in a very methodical, very rational, and very deliberative fashion."
This week she's taking the next step, introducing a resolution pushing the president to consult the United Nations and the international community on an enhanced diplomatic strategy to hold Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime accountable, rather than pursuing military force in Syria.
She has other issues too that she's hoping will gain traction. A bill introduced earlier this year, H.R. 198, would revoke the authorization for the broad use of military force that Congress approved in the days after the 9/11 attacks. So far, the bill has 31 cosponsors, and a petition on Credo Mobilize has garnered more than 85,000 signatures.
There are other, smaller signs her cause is gaining momentum.
"You know that slogan 'Barbara Lee speaks for me?' " Credo's Bond asked National Journal. "I'm starting to see that pop up in a lot of people's Facebook feeds."
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Postby kelley » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:37 am

justdrew » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:17 am wrote:
It's Bay of Pigs all over again, but none dare call it so.

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and the currently manufactured naval 'standoff' as a mediterranean missile crisis steeped in nostalgic brinksmanship? that's what i suggested in the AIPAC thread. this is farce, and a badly written one too.

anyone recall what happened in the third act of the original? you know, when openly negotiating with the rooshians was interpreted by power as weakness and betrayal, with the executive subsequently beset on all sides?
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Postby 8bitagent » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:52 am

kelley » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:37 am wrote:
justdrew » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:17 am wrote:
It's Bay of Pigs all over again, but none dare call it so.

]


and the currently manufactured naval 'standoff' as a mediterranean missile crisis steeped in nostalgic brinksmanship? that's what i suggested in the AIPAC thread. this is farce, and a badly written one too.

anyone recall what happened in the third act of the original? you know, when openly negotiating with the rooshians was interpreted by power as weakness and betrayal, with the executive subsequently beset on all sides?


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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:04 am

Posted on Monday, September 9, 2013

Intercepts caught Assad rejecting requests to use chemical weapons, German paper says
By Matthew Schofield | McClatchy Foreign Staff
BERLIN — Syrian President Bashar Assad has repeatedly rejected requests from his field commanders for approval to use chemical weapons, according to a report this weekend in a German newspaper.

The report in Bild am Sonntag, which is a widely read and influential national Sunday newspaper, reported that the head of the German Foreign Intelligence agency, Gerhard Schindler, last week told a select group of German lawmakers that intercepted communications had convinced German intelligence officials that Assad did not order or approve what is believed to be a sarin gas attack on Aug. 21 that killed hundreds of people in Damascus’ eastern suburbs.

The Obama administration has blamed the attack on Assad. The evidence against Assad was described over the weekend as common sense by White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough on CNN’s "State of the Union."

“The material was used in the eastern suburbs of Damascus that have been controlled by the opposition for some time,” he said. “It was delivered by rockets, rockets that we know the Assad regime has, and we have no indication that the opposition has.”

Russia has questioned that logic, announcing last week that in July it filed a 100-page long “technical and scientific” report on an alleged March 19 chemical weapons attack on a suburb of Aleppo that it says implicates rebel fighters.

A U.N. team dispatched to Syria to investigate the March 19 attack was sent to the scene of the Aug. 21 incident. The samples it collected are currently being analyzed in Europe at labs certified by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, the international agency that monitors compliance with chemical weapons bans.

The German intelligence briefing to lawmakers described by Bild am Sonntag fits neither narrative precisely. The newspaper’s article said that on numerous occasions in recent months, the German intelligence ship named Oker, which is off the Syrian coast, has intercepted communications indicating that field officers have contacted the Syrian presidential palace seeking permission to use chemical weapons and have been turned down.

The article added that German intelligence does not believe Assad sanctioned the alleged attack on August 21.

Last week, the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel, also citing a briefing for German legislators, said that the Oker had intercepted a phone call between a commander from the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah and an official at an unidentified Iranian embassy saying that Assad had ordered the Aug. 21 chemical attack out of anger. The Hezbollah commander called the attack a “huge mistake,” Der Spiegel said. It was not clear if the two news accounts were based on the same or different briefings.

Assad told American journalist Charlie Rose in an interview to be broadcast in its entirety Monday night on PBS that “there has been no evidence that I used chemical weapons against my own people.”

Even if Assad didn’t approve the use of chemical weapons, he’d likely be held responsible for its use by a rogue unit within Syria’s security forces.

David Butter, a Syria expert with the British think tank Chatham House, called the German intelligence “an interesting distraction, but nothing more right now.”

“To build a case that Assad had no role in the use of chemical weapons, we’d need a lot more evidence,” he said. “And, of course, as head of state, if a war crime has been committed by his regime, he is ultimately responsible.”

The German intelligence report would seem to fit the European mood of the moment, however, that U.S. military action must wait for the results of the U.N. investigation. “What happened is all very murky,” Butler said. “Let’s wait for the United Nations investigation before talking about the next step.”

European foreign ministers on Saturday issued a statement calling the Aug. 21 attack a “war crime,” but said nothing should be done without U.N. approval. New opinion polls over the weekend in France, Germany and Great Britain showed strong disapproval of military action in Syria. The British poll, done for The Sunday Telegraph, indicated only 19 percent of the population backs the idea of military action with the United States, while 63 percent oppose it. The polls in France and Germany showed similar margins of opposition.

Meanwhile, a new tabulation of the dead from the Aug. 21 incident raised more questions about Obama administration officials’ account of what took place.

The Damascus Center for Human Rights Studies, an anti-Assad group, said that it had been able to document 678 dead from the attacks, including 106 children and 157 women. The report said 51 of the dead, or 7 percent, were fighters from the Free Syrian Army, the designation used to describe rebels that are affiliated with the Supreme Military Council, which the U.S. backs.

The report said that the organization was certain that more than 1,600 died in the attack, but that it had not been able to confirm the higher number.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has said 1,429 people died Aug. 21, included 426 children, but has not said how the United States obtained the figures. Other estimates have ranged from a low of “at least 281” by the French government to 502, including “tens” of rebel fighters and about 100 children, by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a London-based group that tracks violence in Syria.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:10 am

9/8/13
Gareth PorterGareth Porter, an independent investigative journalist and historian, discusses his evidence that the Obama administration passed off its own intelligence assessment of the Syria gas attack as a CIA analysis; the CIA’s observation that no materials have been deployed from Syria’s chemical weapons facilities; why the attack doesn’t bear the hallmarks of sarin gas; and why the White House pushes toward war despite the large percentage of Americans against military action in Syria.

Update: Porter now says that CIA may not have had such close track of Syria CW. But they’re still doubtful, dossier still White House.


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Postby parel » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:33 am

Latin America rejects US aggression against Syria

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By Yusuf Fernandez

Even countries that have been traditional allies of the United States in the region, such as Chile, Mexico or Colombia, are watching the revival of the US imperialist aggressiveness with alarm. Chilean President, Sebastian Pinera, spoke against a unilateral military intervention in Syria. 'The government of Chile does not support a unilateral military action by a country or a group of countries', he said."


Latin American countries have almost unanimously rejected US plans to launch an aggression against Syria and consider that this action would be not only a catastrophe for the Middle East but also a threat for Latin America, which has been seen as a “courtyard” by Washington for many decades.


“An attack against Syria would have extremely serious consequences for the Middle East, a region that is already troubled," said a statement by the Cuban Ministry of Foreign Affairs. “It would be a flagrant violation of the principles of the UN Charter and international law. It would also increase the dangers to international peace and security,” stated the Cuban Ministry.

Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa also rejected any aggressive unilateral actions which would violate Syria's sovereignty. According to Correa, “No country has the moral right to take upon itself the function of a judge who determines what is right or wrong.”

His Bolivian counterpart, Evo Morales claimed that media reports had showed that chemical weapons were used near Damascus not by the government, but by the rebel armed groups in order to generate an international response. “Chemical agents were used by groups that fight against the government in Syria,” said the Bolivian president. “By failing to establish military dictatorships, as it did in the past, Washington, under the current conditions, is using a different strategy: creating internal conflicts in some countries in order to have a pretext for intervention,” added the Bolivian President.

Argentina has officially condemned a possible US strike on Syria adding that a military intervention would “aggravate” the Arab country’s domestic scenario. Argentinean President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has stated that her country totally rejects a US attack.

For its part, Brazil has stated that an attack on Syria without the approval of the UN Security Council would be a violation of international law and the UN Charter. Brazilian Foreign Minister, Luiz Alberto Figueiredo Machado, said such an action was “unacceptable.” The Brazilian foreign minister added that his country also rejects the shipment of weapons to terrorist groups in Syria, while praising “the efforts performed to reach a political solution to the crisis” in that country.

Even countries that have been traditional allies of the United States in the region, such as Chile, Mexico or Colombia, are watching the revival of the US imperialist aggressiveness with alarm. Chilean President, Sebastian Pinera, spoke against a unilateral military intervention in Syria. “The government of Chile does not support a unilateral military action by a country or a group of countries”, he said.

US targets Venezuela and Syria simultaneously

For its part, Venezuela has “decisively condemned any attempts by the imperialist powers to launch a military attack on the Syrian territory alleging the use of chemical weapons on August 21 by an unidentified party as a pretext.” “The government of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela accuses the imperial powers of placing the entire world on the brink of a destructive war with countless consequences for humanity,” an official statement said.

The Venezuelan government has gone beyond by establishing a link between US plans to attack Syria and Washington’s plots to bring about the collapse of Venezuela by targeting food, electricity and fuel supplies.

“I have data about a meeting at the White House, the full names of those who attended. I know what plans they made for the total collapse” of the country, Venezuela President Nicolas Maduro said on August 7 during a ceremony in northern Aragua state. “They think that Venezuela will collapse in October, so long as they plan for it by sabotaging the people's food, electricity, fuel and refineries,” he said.

Maduro also suggested a link between the assassination plots against him and US intervention in Syria. He said the Venezuelan authorities had foiled an attempt to assassinate him at the time when the US launched strikes on Syria. Maduro recalled the recent arrest in Venezuela of two Colombians who were involved in the assassination plot. “The plan was to kill me at the time of the attack on Syria,” he said.

Venezuelan counterintelligence does not rule out the possibility that the US Administration and the CIA could take advantage of the Syrian scenario in Venezuela, considering the polarization of political camps - pro-government (Bolivarian) and opposition (pro-American) - which has taken shape in the country. And in order for that not to happen, they consider that it is very important for Venezuela and the whole Latin America not to permit the US attack on Syria.

The community of Syrian immigrants and descendants has lost no time to defend their homeland either. A member of the Venezuelan parliament and President of the Arab Federation in Venezuela, Abel el Zabayar, a Syrian by descent, has showed his support for Syria. El Zabayar traveled to that country to visit his mother and after seeing the delicate situation there, he decided to stay and become a member of the popular brigades fighting against terrorist groups in Syria. Some Venezuelans of Syrian descent have also recently formed the first battalion of volunteering fighters from Latin America.

On the other hand, 37 Venezuelan organizations have expressed their rejection of a possible US military attack and have set up a Syrian Solidarity Movement. Another group of Venezuelans of Syrian origin has founded the “Social Communication Network of the Venezuelan-Syrian Union” in order to combat “the false news that are prefabricated and disseminated by Western media and international news agencies.”

Ham Allalla, a young Venezuelan of Syrian origin, described as "appalling" the US intentions towards what he considers his second home. Allalla told Radio Nederland that there was not civil war in Syria, but a fight against mercenaries financed by Saudi Arabia who are trying to overthrow the government. Allalla asked, “Why no action was taken when the Palestinians denounced the use of chemical weapons by the Israeli regime?”

Panama and Capriles, the exceptions

In this context, the Panamanian government has been the only one in Latin America that has supported US strikes on Syria. However, according to the newspaper La Prensa, most Panamanians reject such a position, which isolates the country within the region.
One of those interviewed by the newspaper, the university professor and former ambassador to Sweden Cecilio Simon Ingles said the government´s position on this issue was totally wrong, He added that Panama should remain neutral due to its geographical position and the Canal.

Panama was also the only Latin American state that voted against recognition of a Palestinian state at the UN. This attitude is not surprising, however, due to the strong links of the government of President Ricardo Martinelli with Israel. These relations have strengthened in several areas, including the military one, in past years. The words of Panamanian permanent representative to the UN, Pablo Antonio Thalassinos summarized the position of this government when he said: “We have always been voting for Israel and against everything that attacks Israel.”

Panama and Tel Aviv have also signed an agreement related to the protection of the Panamanian President and other security arrangements.

The partnership ties between Panama and the Zionist regime have been promoted by the Zionist lobby in Panama, where there is a Jewish community of about 8,000 people, many of whom have a great economic power and control a part of the Colon Free Zone.

That Panamanian community maintains close relations with two American Zionist lobby groups: the American Jewish Committee and the World Jewish Congress. In April 2011, the latter gave a prize called "The Light of Nations” to Marinelli, who said in that occasion: “I support Israel because it is the right thing.”

The leader of the right-wing Venezuelan opposition, Henrique Capriles Radonski, has also supported the US decision to launch a unilateral attack on Syria. Capriles called, through his account on Twitter, on the international community to punish Syria. Venezuelan media explained Capriles´s position by recalling his links with the Israeli regime and his Jewish origins.

Other leaders of the Venezuelan opposition also maintain links with the Zionist regime. This was confirmed in 2012 with the visit of the Mayor of the Metropolitan District, Antonio Ledezma, to Tel Aviv and his meeting with Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. Ledezma is a strong ally of Capriles.

Capriles´ position in favor of a strike on Syria has been condemned by most Venezuelan citizens. Hundreds of members of the Arab community in Venezuela recently held a demonstration to protest against Capriles and his anti-Syrian statements. “The governor (Capriles), who we have here in the state of Miranda, is not fond of peace. He is not fond of justice either. He is fond of war, He is a warmonger and a supporter of Zionism,” said one demonstrator.

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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:33 pm

Obama Still Withholds Syria Evidence
September 11, 2013

Exclusive: President Obama has sidetracked the rush to war with Syria, agreeing to pursue a diplomatic plan involving Syria surrendering its chemical weapons. But the U.S. government still hides its supposedly conclusive evidence that the Assad regime was guilty of the Aug. 21 chemical attack, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Even people who trust the Obama administration’s accusations blaming the Syrian government for the apparent Aug. 21 chemical weapons attack outside Damascus can’t explain why these supposed phone intercepts and satellite photos are still being kept secret from the American people.

One intelligence source told me, after President Barack Obama’s Tuesday night speech on Syria, that the reason for the unreasonable secrecy should be obvious by now: that the evidence would not withstand scrutiny. He said it is viewed as flimsy even by some of the CIA analysts involved.

President Barack Obama addresses the nation regarding the Syrian crisis on Sept. 10, 2013, at the White House.

So, the “smart play” for the administration has been to withhold the “evidence” and rely on a combination of emotional outrage over the deaths of children and a “group think” that will increasingly treat skeptics as “discredited” and “outside the mainstream.” Though this P.R. strategy has largely succeeded – as more mainstream journalists and pundits fall into line – its downside is that it reeks of the tactics used to enforce conformity over President George W. Bush’s case for war against Iraq in 2002-2003.

Indeed, many of the same political and media players who were duped in that bloody fiasco are at the front of the line a decade later, accepting as gospel truth the allegations against Syria that the Obama administration has asserted without evidence. It doesn’t seem to matter that the four-page “Government Assessment” of the case against the Syrian government – issued on Aug. 30 – contained not a single piece of evidence that could be checked independently. It was all “we assess” this and “we assess” that.

The Obama administration then relied on the old tactic of repeating an unproven assertion, knowing that if a charge is declared with sufficient certitude often enough, the weak-minded will simply begin treating it as accepted wisdom. That’s especially easy when the target of the accusations has been thoroughly demonized as is the case with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Obama Adds to the Mystery

President Obama continued this process of repetition Tuesday night, telling Americans what they are supposed to believe, not showing them any real evidence.

“We know the Assad regime was responsible,” the President declared in a prime-time address. “In the days leading up to August 21st, we know that Assad’s chemical weapons personnel prepared for an attack near an area where they mix sarin gas. They distributed gasmasks to their troops. Then they fired rockets from a regime-controlled area into 11 neighborhoods that the regime has been trying to wipe clear of opposition forces.

“Shortly after those rockets landed, the gas spread, and hospitals filled with the dying and the wounded. We know senior figures in Assad’s military machine reviewed the results of the attack.”

Interestingly, Obama omitted one regular feature of the U.S. government’s litany of allegations, the supposed intercepted phone call of a “senior official” caught admitting that the Syrian government had conducted the attack. This claim was included in the “Government Assessment” and repeated by Secretary of State John Kerry and other U.S. officials.

The “senior” Syrian official was never identified, no direct quotes were used, no context was explained and no transcript was provided, just a paraphrase and the Obama administration’s implicit plea to “trust us.” The mysterious official with his convenient admission of guilt didn’t make the cut into Obama’s speech for some reason.

But Obama did highlight a previously obscure point, that rockets were fired into “11 neighborhoods.” In recent days, some pundits have cited the quantity of neighborhoods allegedly attacked as conclusive proof against the Syrian government because the sheer number of targets would seem to preclude a rebel attack or the possible accidental release of chemical agents by rebel forces.

However, this “slam-dunk” proof is undercut by a footnote contained in a White House-released map of the supposed locations of the attack. The footnote read: “Reports of chemical attacks originating from some locations may reflect the movement of patients exposed in one neighborhood to field hospitals and medical facilities in the surrounding area. They may also reflect confusion and panic triggered by the ongoing artillery and rocket barrage, and reports of chemical use in other neighborhoods.”

In other words, a map attached to the White House’s own “Government Assessment” offers a contradictory explanation to what Obama and others have claimed about the number of neighborhoods that were struck by the alleged chemical attack of Aug. 21: victims from one location could have rushed to clinics in other neighborhoods, creating the impression of a more widespread attack than actually occurred.

Obama’s other assertions also continue to beg a series of questions regarding why no verifiable evidence has been presented to the American people three weeks after the Aug. 21 incident. These questions include: How does the U.S. government know about the Syrian military’s alleged chemical-attack preparations? Does the U.S. have satellite photos of troop movements, gas masks being worn, and the rockets being fired on Aug. 21? Are there communication intercepts on these topics?

If Syrian officials “reviewed results of the attack,” as Obama claims, what were they saying? Were they shocked by what happened or were they pleased? Why did Obama, a precise practitioner of the English language, choose the vague word “reviewed”?

Before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee last week, Secretary Kerry declared that the “Assad regime prepared for this attack, issued instructions to prepare for this attack, warned its own forces to use gas masks.” He added that the U.S. intelligence included “physical evidence of where the rockets came from and when.” If so, what was that “physical evidence”? If the U.S. possesses satellite photographs or other hard proof, none has been revealed publicly.

Even Defenders Are Confused

In an article first published at Counterpunch on Tuesday (and re-posted at Consortiumnews.com), former CIA analyst Melvin A. Goodman endorsed the Obama administration’s case against the Syrian government. But Goodman later acknowledged to me in an e-mail that he had not seen the evidence himself. Still, he said he had done “due diligence” and was convinced the evidence was real.

Yet, even as he accepted the allegations against the Syrian government as true, Goodman was puzzled by the refusal of the Obama administration to disclose its evidence. In his commentary, he wrote:

“The distortion of evidence of Iraqi WMD a decade ago has made it difficult to convince the American public, let alone a skeptical international audience, of the need to respond to Syria’s use of chemical weapons. As a result, the Obama administration must ignore the usual safeguards regarding intelligence sources and methods, and provide the intelligence that is not only convincing but beyond any reasonable doubt.

“We need to know more about the intercepted communications that allowed the United States to track three days of activity by chemical weapons personnel near an area used to mix chemical weapons. We have identified the area publicly so there is no reason to withhold information that would be dispositive. …

“Finally, since the Obama administration has an intercept ‘involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive,’ according to the U.S. assessment, that confirms the use of chemical weapons and his concern with UN discovery of evidence, the tape itself should be played. Surely, in view of what we have just learned about the intercept capabilities of the National Security Agency, no one in Syria (or anywhere else for that matter) will be shocked to learn that the United States monitors high-level communications in a zone of interest.”

Yet, this evidence, which Goodman and others believe exists and would represent “dispositive” proof against the Syrian government, continues to be kept secret. Instead, the Obama administration relies on the technique of endless repetition of unproven claims and the release of some heartrending videos of victims, a tug at emotions but not evidence of whodunit.

So, why? Why not release the evidence? Goodman is undoubtedly correct that there is no overriding intelligence reason for the administration’s “evidence” to be withheld. Everyone knows the United States has spy satellites and technical means to intercept phone calls. So, why is this evidence still being withheld from the public?

The most obvious answer, as the intelligence source told me Tuesday night, is that the certainty of the administration’s case would crumble if independent analysts got a look at it. Thus, it makes public relations sense for the Obama administration to hide the evidence and simply deride anyone who dares question the rush to judgment on the Syrian government’s guilt.
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