How to Overthrow the Illuminati

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:45 pm

seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:24 pm wrote:
brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:16 pm wrote:
American Dream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:42 am wrote:
coffin_dodger » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:50 am wrote:This whole denial of an illuminati or illuminati-like structure (or whatever they are called) is so fervent amongst the deniers (and the lengths they go to to mock and quash discussion of) that it reminds me of the many dominoes to have toppled recently - wikileaks, manning, snowden, the activities of the nsa to name but a few - it feels like we're all edging closer to some seriously liberating yet disturbing stuff. I still maintain wikileaks and greenwald have stuff that the public just isn't ready for yet. Here's hoping.


Have you made an honest assessment of how Illuminati Theory is such a refuge for scoundrels and flimflam artists, conveyers of disinformation, right wing wackos and racists, etc. etc.?

Because it should be clear that there's something rotten going on...


I would be curious to see a poll of the membership.



yeah I would too....I believe it would be overwhelming that no one really cares ...and they wished it wouldn't be shoved in their faces every day here


I think a separate poll that included a question which would get at those feelings would indeed have the membership wishing this petty bickering was not on the first page of gd all the time.

But that would not interest me nearly as much as a poll which asked the membership what they thought of the relationship between illuminati theory and conveyers of disinformation, right wing wackos and racists. Vote only would be nice.

I'm guessing there are more members here that don't see illuminati theory as having ties to racist, right wing whackos than there were a few years ago, though a poll could not determine that.

And btw... nothing is being shoved in your face. OK?

If you guys could just dial down the hyperbole it might facilitate clearer communication.

I mean do you really HATE AD?
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:46 pm

So, it is the view of some that AD has a difference of opinion than they do of Icke.

AD is certainly as entitled to his/her opinion as anyone is to theirs.

How anyone can blame another for their own participation in a topic over six years is a bit astonishing.

Personally, I find no worth in Icke's words or in the man himself. In our hate-filled world of today we find many looking for scapegoats to blame for their life's problems and it's understandable that some appreciate his worldview, skewed and skewered as it is.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:47 pm

American Dream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:27 pm wrote:
minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:20 pm wrote:
Do you believe this statement above (of Malcolm X) would make it clear to Sounder that you are a communist with a small c, or whatever...?


No- I pointed you towards Class Struggle Anarchism and Anarcho-Syndicalism anyway, but as indicated previously I think the 160 pages of Economic Aspects of "Love" should be pretty useful to a thinking person...


So, a few words by Malcolm X, a vague attempt at aphorism, is sufficient to sum up what you think, but you suggest that I read 100,000 words in a forum thread.

I'll stop now, so you don't feel further piled upon. Others won't seem to let us have this interaction without intrusion. Though it seems this conversation has taken place many times before.

So, I'll let my previous advice/admonition stand without further comment: Make an extremely relevant link/quote/comment without the need for scanning, skimming, skipping. It is a time-honored technique which predates the Internet. A sign of respect.

Finis.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:51 pm

minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:47 pm wrote:
American Dream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:27 pm wrote:
minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:20 pm wrote:
Do you believe this statement above (of Malcolm X) would make it clear to Sounder that you are a communist with a small c, or whatever...?


No- I pointed you towards Class Struggle Anarchism and Anarcho-Syndicalism anyway, but as indicated previously I think the 160 pages of Economic Aspects of "Love" should be pretty useful to a thinking person...


So, a few words by Malcolm X, a vague attempt at aphorism, is sufficient to sum up what you think, but you suggest that I read 100,000 words in a forum thread.

I'll stop now, so you don't feel further piled upon. Others won't seem to let us have this interaction without intrusion. Though it seems this conversation has taken place many times before.

So, I'll let my previous advice/admonition stand without further comment: Make an extremely relevant link/quote/comment without the need for scanning, skimming, skipping. It is a time-honored technique which predates the Internet. A sign of respect.

Finis.


What I'm saying is that, since you seem to have been red-baiting me, you could look at the abundant record to see what my politics are. Reading/scanning just one page would do a great deal to shed light on the matter. But it doesn't seem that you had much of an open mind, anyway...
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:53 pm

minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:47 pm wrote:
American Dream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:27 pm wrote:
minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:20 pm wrote:
Do you believe this statement above (of Malcolm X) would make it clear to Sounder that you are a communist with a small c, or whatever...?


No- I pointed you towards Class Struggle Anarchism and Anarcho-Syndicalism anyway, but as indicated previously I think the 160 pages of Economic Aspects of "Love" should be pretty useful to a thinking person...


So, a few words by Malcolm X, a vague attempt at aphorism, is sufficient to sum up what you think, but you suggest that I read 100,000 words in a forum thread.


This is the sort of hyperbole I mean. If you're really so interested in AD's politics then browse that thread. Personally I don't think I've ever bothered to open it.

I'll stop now, so you don't feel further piled upon. Others won't seem to let us have this interaction without intrusion.


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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:57 pm

I'm sorry, are you implying I'm indulging in hyperbole here? If so, on rereading, I detect no attempt at hyperbole. Seriously.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:00 pm

I see you edited your post. Thanks for your advice. My suggestions are in response to Sounder and Wombat's earlier comments/critiques.

I have no intention of reading AD's thread. No offense.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:02 pm

To return to the OP: I see an helpful analog of Illuminati lore in the riddle of the Sphinx.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:07 pm

This article has an interesting perspective on what binds believers to certain strains of Illuminati Theory:

http://www.serendipity.li/eden/librizzi.htm

The Anunnaki, the Vampire and the Structure of Dissent

By Marcus LiBrizzi



The vampire, an archetypal figure who pops up in many myths from around the world, is most familiar to Western audiences in the form of Bram Stoker's Dracula and Anne Rice's Lestat — aristocratic bloodsucking immortals of unholy origin. In more paranoid circles, vampires have been re-imagined as a race of alien beings called the Anunnaki, who have traveled from beyond to control and colonize the planet Earth (in fact, they've been in control for quite a while now). Looking at the conspiracy theories of underground celebrity David Icke, Marcus LiBrizzi offers his own theory about the meaning of these horrific beings for a world caught in the grip of a grand economic reorganization. Linking these myths to the realities of transnational capital and the Network Society, LiBrizzi is able to craft his own compelling narrative about the horrors of the New World Order. [Editor's introduction to the previous publication.]


<1> The latest incarnation of the vampire — in the conspiracy theories of David Icke — reveals the critical, revolutionary heart of the vampire legend. Discourse on the vampire appears above all to provide a structure of dissent, a metaphorical means of representing and soliciting critiques of the social order. The Anunnaki form of the vampire — in its immersion in the constellation of contemporary conspiracy theories, in its reflection on global capitalism, and in its blurring of historical and fictional narratives — has moved this structure of dissent from the cloak of darkness to the light of day.

<2> Considered by some to be the reigning conspiracy theorist in the US, David Icke (who is British) formulates his theories of a worldwide, age-old conspiracy around an extraterrestrial race of beings called the Anunnaki. Self-styled the "most controversial author and speaker in the world," David Icke has been subject to much ridicule but has nonetheless become an industry, publishing eleven books, producing video and audiotapes, embarking on a worldwide lecture circuit, and creating a website that allegedly attracts 10,000 visitors a day (Canadian, Par. 13). A former soccer player from a working-class family, Icke became a household name in the UK as a national sports and news reporter for the BBC and as the spokesperson for the Green Party ("About", Par. 7-8). Starting a full-time writing career in the early 1990s, Icke began with New Age inspired works like Truth Vibrations (1991), which combines accounts of his self transformation with psychically-imparted warnings on the imminent destruction of the earth, from there moving towards conventional conspiracy theories, and finally, beginning with his 1999 book The Biggest Secret, focusing his conspiracy theories around the Anunnaki and their nefarious involvement in human history.

<3> The Anunnaki, whose name is Sumerian, meaning "Those who from Heaven to Earth Came" (Icke, p.5), are a reptilian race that originated from the legendary planet known as Nibiru (Planet X), or the place of the crossing, which has a 3,600 year elliptical orbit that takes it between Jupiter and Mars and then out into space (p.5). For the past 450,000 years, according to Icke, the Anunnaki have been ruling earth in different guises and from different dimensions. Through genetic engineering, the Anunnaki have manipulated the evolution of humans as a slave race. "[T]he Anunnaki created bloodlines to rule humanity on their behalf," he writes, "and these [...] are the families still in control of the world to this day" (p.9). The interbreeding of the rich and powerful (primarily, for Icke, the European aristocracy and the Eastern Establishment of the US) is not done for reasons of snobbery but rather "to hold a genetic structure that gives them certain abilities, especially the ability to 'shape-shift' and manifest in other forms" (p.9). Working with these crossbreeds are full-blooded Anunnaki, some physically present on earth, others influencing individuals and events psychically from what Icke calls "the lower fourth dimension" (p.25). Forming a "Brotherhood" or secret society network, the Anunnaki have effectively "hijack[ed] the planet" (p.46).

<4> The recurring motif in the discourse on the Anunnaki is vampirism. In fact, so strong is this component in their depiction that it's safe to say that Icke's work represents one of the most recent developments in the discourse of the vampire. "While vampire beliefs are varied," writes James Craig Holte, "certain elements of the vampire myth are consistent. The most important are the inability to experience death, the importance of blood, and the sexual connection between vampire and victim" (Holte, p.246). Other structural similarities between the traditional vampire and the Anunnaki include shape-shifting, hypnotism, and links to secret societies. After establishing the Anunnaki as a manifestation of the vampire, we'll unpack the implications of this figure, using the tools of a Marxist critical practice.

<5> The Anunnaki, like traditional vampires, enjoy eternal or extended life spans. Icke claims that "[t]he fourth dimensional reptilians wear their human bodies like a genetic overcoat and when one body dies the same reptilian 'moves house' to another body and continues the Agenda into another generation" (p.46). One type of creature Icke describes is a reptilian "inside" a human physical body; "it seems that [...] [the Anunnaki] need to occupy a very reptilian dominated genetic stream to do this, hence certain bloodlines always end up in the positions of power. Other less pure crossbreed human-reptilians are those bodies which are possessed by a reptilian consciousness from the fourth dimension and these are people whom psychics see as essentially human, but 'overshadowed' by a reptilian" (p.46). Crossbreeding to infuse reptilian genetics into human bloodlines, the Anunnaki gain the means to defy death, as we conceive it.

<6> In respect to blood drinking, Icke is very clear: The Anunnaki drink blood, which they need in order to exist in this dimension and hold a human form (p.288). Embedded in this need lies another parallel between the Anunnaki and the figure of the vampire — the power to shape-shift (from reptilian to human form for the Anunnaki, and usually from vampire form to that of bat or even mist for the traditional vampire). But the Anunnaki also feed off fear, aggression and other negative emotions. Thus, while blood is needed as a vital life force, the Anunnaki are also addicted to "adrenalchrome," a hormone released in the human body during periods of extreme terror (pp.290,331). Rather than sucking the blood directly from the necks of their victims, the Anunnaki apparently slash the throats of their victims from left to right and consume the blood out of goblets (p.303). Icke claims that the origin of the vampire stories are the blood drinking and "energy sucking" rituals of the Anunnaki (p.26). "In India," he writes, "it was called soma and in Greece it was ambrosia, some researchers suggest. This was said to be the nectar of the gods and it was — the reptilian gods who are genetic blood drinkers" (p.288).

<7> In the sexual connection between slayer and victim, the Anunnaki also share another similarity with the traditional vampire. However, depictions of the Anunnaki by Icke contain none of the erotic allure and seductiveness that distinguish many vampire texts. Instead, the sexual bond between the Anunnaki and their victims is characterized by violence — rape, murder, and Satanic ritual. "Satanism at its core is about the manipulation and theft of another person's energy and consciousness," writes Icke, who states that "Sex is so common in Satanic ritual because at the moment of orgasm, the body explodes with energy which the Satanists and the reptiles can capture and absorb" (p.295). For Icke, of course, the demons honored or appeased by satanic sex rituals are none other than the reptilian Anunnaki (p.34). Sex is also a fundamental tool of the Anunnaki mind control program and, more prosaically, it figures prominently as a means of blackmail. The picture that emerges is one involving vast networks of sexual abuse and ritual murder — graphic accounts of satanic practices at the playgrounds for world leaders, such as the Bohemian Grove, a 2,700 acre compound north of San Francisco — mass graves for victims drained of their blood and libidinal energies — and the cultivation of sexual crimes to create an energy field that nourishes these rapacious ETs.

<8> There are other shared traits between the traditional vampire and the Anunnaki, for example, the role of secret societies. One of Icke's chief contributions to the discourse on the vampire lies in his immersion of this figure into a vast web of clandestine organizations, from ancient mystery schools and cults like the Brotherhood of the Snake to the Knights Templar and the Masonic Order, from global entities like the UN, the Trilateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations to drug cartels, satanic churches, and the Black Nobility. A keystone in this architecture of conspiracy is the Order of Draco, which conjures up the most famous of all vampires — Count Dracula — and underscores his demonic, draconian, and reptilian associations. "According to [Laurence] Gardner, the name Dracula means 'Son of Dracul' and was inspired by Prince Vlad III of Transylvania-Wallachia, a chancellor of the Court of the Dragon in the 15th century. This prince's father was called Dracul within the Court" (p.56). In their network of secret societies, of which the Order of Draco is but a single manifestation, the Anunnaki highlight the conspiratorial dimension of all vampires. Finally, the Anunnaki share with the traditional vampire the capacity to hypnotize: Icke writes that reptilian bloodlines "have the ability to produce an extremely powerful hypnotic stare, just like a snake hypnotizing its prey and this is the origin of giving someone the 'evil eye'" (p.42).

<9> Icke's paradigm displays more than the vitality, persistence, and adaptive qualities of the vampire legend. His theories reveal the dissident energies contained already in the vampire legacy.

<10> To begin with, Icke's work represents a major fusion of the vampire cult and the field of conspiracy theories. Richard Hofstadter, in his famous essay "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (1963) claims that the "distinguishing thing about the paranoid style is not that its exponents see conspiracies or plots here and there in history, but that they regard a 'vast' [...] conspiracy as the motive force in historical events. History is a conspiracy" (p.29). Conspiracies, even when they're not construed as vast, over-arching plots, however, have an internal, integrative logic. In other words, there is a momentum in conspiracy theories to pull in all other theories, and finally to arrive at a state in which everything is connected. Part of Icke's popularity lies in his ability to integrate most contemporary American conspiracy theories into one over-arching framework. Situated squarely in the center of this design is the ancient figure of the vampire. Thus, the vampire (or, more specifically, the Anunnaki Vampire) has colonized the field of conspiracy theories — government-sponsored alien cover-ups, the New World Order, suspicious deaths, the secret government, suppressed research, the intrigues of the CIA, and the list goes on indefinitely.

<11> From a Marxist perspective, of course, this development is more than just a formal or aesthetic innovation, for many of the conspiracy theories now circulating in the cultural medium of the US contain, at their core, critical, dissenting, and rebellious points of view (encompassing both extreme right and left) that are articulated in opposition to the social, political, and cultural status quo. While Hofstadter claims that the US has no monopoly on conspiracism, other scholars like Peter Knight hold that conspiracy theories hold an indispensable place in American ideology formation, and that current "conspiracy theories can be read in part as panicked responses to the increasing multiculturalism and globalization of the present" (Knight, p.5). Revolutionary or reactionary, however, these theories are inimical to the governing elite and represent a tradition of oppositional practice. As Knight puts it, "conspiracy theory has become the lingua franca of a countercultural opposition that encompasses a vast spectrum of political thinking from the committed to the casual" (pp.6-7).

<12> An initial difficulty in seeing the vampire as a symbol of the ruling class — capitalist or otherwise — lies in the diverse variations taken on by vampires in different places and times. As Brian Frost puts it, "the vampire is a polymorphic phenomenon with a host of disparate guises to its credit" (Frost, p.1). Among the various legendary "guises" of the vampire inventoried by Frost are spirit vampires, astral vampires, psychic vampires, animal vampires, and real-life vampires who are "sadistic criminals [...] urged on by a physical craving for blood" (p.15). Complicating the picture is the fact that Bram Stoker's character of Count Dracula, who for many encapsulates the aristocratic ethos of the vampire, "lacks precisely what makes a man 'noble': servants. Dracula stoops to driving the carriage, cooking the meals, making the beds, cleaning the castle" (Moretti, p.90). Furthermore, in some of the earliest European vampire legends, the undead feed off the living members of their own families (Murgoci, p.18), which at first glance mitigates the social-class dynamic often conjured up in the image of aristocratic vampires draining the lifeblood of their locals.

<13> There is, nevertheless, a critical and even radical dimension to the figure of the vampire, who, as a parasite, circulates as a political metaphor. The word vampire has from the start been used in oppositional literature as a symbol of an exploiting class, government, industry, or institution. A decade "after the introduction of the word 'vampire' in an English publication in 1732, (an account of the investigation of Arnold Paul in Serbia) [...] [a] serious utilization of the vampire as a political metaphor occurred in Observations on the Revolution of 1688 ([...] published in 1741)" which identified foreign investors as "'Vampires of the Publick'" (Melton, p.538). Only "[a] few years later, in 1764, Voltaire, in his Philosophical Dictionary," refers to "vampires" as "'stock-jobbers, brokers, and men of business who sucked the blood of the people in broad daylight'" (p.538).

<14> But it was Marx who first suggested that the vampire can be interpreted as a metaphor of capitalism and who also implied a method for this interpretation. In volume one of Capital (1867), he writes that "Capital is dead labour, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labour, and lives the more, the more labour it sucks" (p.342). Extrapolating on this analogy, Franco Moretti provides a reading of Bram Stoker's Dracula, writing, "If the vampire is a metaphor for capital, then Stoker's vampire, who is of 1897, must be the capital of 1897" (Moretti, p.92). Accordingly, Moretti sees Count Dracula as the expression or figure of monopoly capitalism, which, to the 19th century bourgeoisie, could not be recognized as an emerging force but only as a relic of the past displaced into the present (p.93). Whether or not one agrees with Moretti's reading of the Count, it is his method that's of most value. As Rob Latham pus it, "Moretti stresses that, while the vampire is a perfect general image for the basic mechanism of capitalist development, individual vampire texts illuminate specifically the historical phases of capitalism in which they are produced" (Latham, p.129).

<15> Applying Moretti's method, we can perceive the Anunnaki as metaphorical of the unique forms capitalism has taken by the 21st Century. Certainly, Anunnaki vampires embody the market for genetic engineering as well as space exploration. These dimensions, in fact, are projected back into the origins of Anunnaki control over earth and its resources: travel from another planet, interdimensional traffic, and a crossbreeding agenda coterminous with the evolution of the human race. Anunnaki vampires also control finance, which was undergoing a tremendous transformation and development during the time when Icke was writing that, of all the spheres of Anunnaki domination, "The most important [...] in terms of control, is banking" (p.207). Electronic banking, credit, and the demediation of stock exchange through on-line trading are some of the key elements in the recent development of the finance industry (Castells, pp. 152-153). But we can go deeper than this kind of analysis, and discover in the discourse on the Anunnaki examples of remarkable changes, not in select markets, but rather in the very structure of the economy.

<16> In this, more significant, sense the Anunnaki are linked to present-day capitalism through their association with global control. Icke consistently depicts these alien bloodsuckers as monopolizing world leadership positions in government, finance, religion and the media. In this sense, Anunnaki vampires represent a demonized expression of the unique form capitalism has taken during the very period in which Icke's theories were formulated, published and popularized. The late 1990s issued in — for the first time in history — a global economy, defined by Manuel Castells as "an economy whose core components have the institutional, organizational, and technological capacity to work as a unit in real time, or in chosen time, on a planetary scale" (p.102). Thus, "this is a new brand of capitalism, technologically, organizationally, and institutionally distinct" (pp.160-161).

<17> The forces spearheading this change derive in part from key industries, notably information technology — centering on the Internet — finance and biotechnology (Castells, p.161). Other contributing factors in the formation of the global economy are government policies that restructured capitalism through laws deregulating and liberalizing economic activity (p.148). The global economy has, of course, catapulted the scale of capitalism; "for the first time in history the whole planet is capitalist or dependent on its connection to global capitalist networks" (pp.160-161). However, as Castells points out, the global economy "is not a planetary economy [...] [because] it does not embrace all economic processes in the planet, it does not include all territories, and it does not include all people in its workings, although it does affect directly or indirectly the livelihood of all humankind" (p.132). Thus the global economy is significant, not only for it inclusivity, but also for its significant and shifting exclusions, marginalizations and hidden bypasses fraught through its great grid or network of power relations.

<18> Anunnaki vampires are perfectly suited to, and a perfect representation of, a global economy in the scope of their engagement and their profile in emergent industries, but there are other ways as well. This is because their secret agenda has always already been the creation of a one-world government — a New World Order — bypassing nations and creating a system or web from which there is no escape. The New World Order figures prominently in conspiracy theories and in literature such as Aldous Huxley's Brave New World (1932) and George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949). But during the millennium and start of the 21st Century, demonstrations against globalism have been on the rise, responding to rapid developments in transnationalism. Another aspect of the Anunnaki relevant here is their multicultural image. The Anunnaki have been written retroactively into all mythological systems, making them true transnationals. For example, they people the pages of the Indian Vedas, Babylonian myths, as well as the books of the Bible, and they are at the heart of ancient snake-worshipping cults worldwide. Moreover, they are literally seeded into the human genome through the Anunnaki engineering of the race, interbreeding alien genetics into all peoples, symbolized, for example in Genesis, as the saliva Jehovah mixes with clay to form the first man.

<19> Not surprisingly, Anunnaki narratives have a lot to say in terms of the location, construction, and commodification of the self. Unlike traditional vampires who feed solely off a victim's blood or soul, the Anunnaki thrive on negative energies such as fear and aggression. These ETs drain individuals of their sense of wellbeing through the manipulation and absorption of libidinal energies and — ultimately — the theft of consciousness and agency. On the one hand, the location of the self that the Anunnaki attack seems closely linked to consumerist notions. For example, New Age self-actualization products as well as the market for energy drinks — even caffeine-enhanced water — not to mention designer drugs — are only a few of the new industries catering profitably to the very malady Icke derives from Anunnaki domination. And, of course, Icke's works themselves represent a (profitable) venture in a multi-million dollar market for conspiracy theories in American popular culture. On the other hand, discourse on the Anunnaki is not necessarily complicit with the capitalist system that produces such effects. A current line of cultural theory "has alleged that the modalities of consumer culture — and the forms of subjectivity they enable — do not necessarily integrate seamlessly into the capitalist society which has mobilized them but may instead be potentially subversive of its purposes" (Latham, p.132). The consumption of Icke's works — in fact, the growing market for conspiracism in the US — would seem to be a case in point here, disseminating and perpetuating an oppositional worldview, a "hermeneutics of suspicion," while contributing to the accumulation of capital.

<20> Another revealing dimension of Anunnaki vampires lies in their collective depiction; unlike many accounts of the vampire, Icke's theories do not revolve around distinct Anunnaki individuals but rather focuses on them as a class or group; in this sense the Anunnaki do not convey the same individualistic focus so often encountered in vampire narratives. Even Anunnaki forms of consciousness are best described as a "groupthink" mentality. On this, Icke writes that "The reptilians seek [...] to influence everyone by stimulating the behavioral patterns of the reptile region of the brain — hierarchical thinking, aggression, conflict, division, lack of compassion and a need for ritual" (p.46). Symbolic of contemporary capitalism, this collective depiction of the Anunnaki reflects the rise of networks, and their decentering development, which have instrumentally caused — and are themselves produced by — the new global economy. The network supersedes the individual as the subject of the vampire narrative. Here Castells, speaking on the network society of global economics, is instructive: "For the first time in history, the basic unit of economic organization is not a subject, be it individual (such as the entrepreneur [...]) or collective (such as the capitalist class, the corporation, the state) [...] [Instead] the unit is the network, made up of a variety of subjects and organizations, relentlessly modified as networks adapt" (Castells, p.214).

<21> In their networked, post-subjective form of the vampire, the Anunnaki are metaphorical of the precise trajectory assumed by contemporary capitalism. Network is the same term Icke uses to describe the reptilian base of operations today, writing "After thousands of years of evolution, the reptilian network is now a vast and often unfathomable web of interconnecting secret societies, banks, businesses, political parties, security agencies, media owners, and so on" (Icke, p.259). Discourse on the Anunnaki vampire is in step with broader trends in American conspiracy theories, themselves responses to ideological crises associated with post-modernism and the growth of a network society. Writing on conspiracy theories in the postwar US, Timothy Melley points out that "the term 'conspiracy' rarely signifies a small, secret plot any more. Instead, it frequently refers to the workings of a large organization, technology, or system, a powerful and obscure entity so dispersed that it is the very antithesis of the traditional conspiracy" (Melley, p.59). Melley argues that conspiracy theories in the US have historically been an ideological means of validating individualism. And this new, impersonal breed of conspiracism reflects anxiety over the loss of individuality and agency and stands as both "an acknowledgment, and rejection, of postmodern subjectivity" (p.65).

<22> Perhaps most revealing of all is the dissolution of the boundary between fantasy and reality — the presentation of the vampire as an historical agent rather than a fictional character. Deeply ironic and radical, this slippage of fact and fantasy drives the vampire legacy much closer to its critical core. If the traditional vampire articulates dissent, it also distorts the representation of real relations, which are displaced into the realm of the imaginary. In the form of the Anunnaki, however, vampires have infiltrated the field of conspiracy theories, spilling from the page onto the pavement, as it were. Moving from metaphor to a kind of mimesis of the grotesque, the vampire legacy shape-shifts — its implicit charge evolving into an explosive critique.

Works Cited


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Castells, Manuel. The Rise of the Network Society. 2nd ed. Vol. 1. Oxford: Blackwell, 2000.

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:23 pm

minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:57 pm wrote:I'm sorry, are you implying I'm indulging in hyperbole here?


Yes. This:
So, a few words by Malcolm X, a vague attempt at aphorism, is sufficient to sum up what you think, but you suggest that I read 100,000 words in a forum thread.

is uncharitable at best, a hyperbolic strawman at worst. But to be fair it's not unusual around here, so you shouldn't feel singled out.

I have no intention of reading AD's thread. No offense.


none taken if you are addressing me.

To return to the OP: I see an helpful analog of Illuminati lore in the riddle of the Sphinx.


Do please elaborate.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:34 pm

Minime, how about you setting forth your political worldview? You know, I'll show you mine first if you'll show me yours.

Personally, you've jumped into the middle of a long-standing feud between a few posters and AD.

Some people can't let rest their difference of opinion and will beat another whom thinks differently to death with it every chance they get.

Slad claims to being "tortured" by AD for years and yet she also claims "...Yes indeed there is a need to be rancorous if you had been posting here for as long as we have and had to deal with this crap day in and day out for over 6 years now..it tends to be very a very pissy subject..and we have every right to be resentful" later saying, "I believe it would be overwhelming that no one really cares ...and they wished it wouldn't be shoved in their faces every day here"

Now slad, I'm only using your quoted text to make a point and I'm not picking on you personally.

But really, it takes at least two to tango. You don't care? And yet you voluntarily "torture" yourself for years by engaging AD continually? And somehow that's AD's fault?

AD seems to me to be answering all of your questions, comments and arguments, so if you disagree still, why engage? Why torture all of us this way? Can't anyone ever just simply allow another to hold an opinion different to their own and go on merrily with their business?

I feel Icke is worthless and unworthy of discussion here. Obviously, slad, sounder, slim, perhaps coffin_dodger and maybe our new addition, minime feel otherwise and find some comfort in his words and character. Icke is a classic huckster of time immemorial.

And no, I'll not argue or defend my point of view. I do not need to. He and his philosophy have no bearing on my life. Antisemitism is alive and well and most unfortunately will continue to thrive long after the name of Icke has been all but forgotten.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:40 pm

brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:23 pm wrote:
minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:57 pm wrote:I'm sorry, are you implying I'm indulging in hyperbole here?


Yes. This:

So, a few words by Malcolm X, a vague attempt at aphorism, is sufficient to sum up what you think, but you suggest that I read 100,000 words in a forum thread.


is uncharitable at best, a hyperbolic strawman at worst. But to be fair it's not unusual around here, so you shouldn't feel singled out.


AD stated that his sig was sufficient to understand his beliefs. To wit...

"I can understand how Sounder et al have misunderstood the evolution of your personal and political philosophy. In my opinion, you have not presented it in a way that makes for understanding without an excess of effort.

As for that philosophy, you might put in your sig, in 1000 words or less, as space allows, so everyone reading can not possibly fail to understand."

His reply: "As, to my signature line- it does speak volumes about my philosophy, and here it is: "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."

I maintain that the quote from Malcolm X was a vague attempt at aphorism, and could in no way sum up, indicate or even hint at AD's personal and political philosophy. And that is being charitable. And enough of that. If I have anything further to discuss with AD I will do so by pm.

To return to the OP: I see an helpful analog of Illuminati lore in the riddle of the Sphinx.


Do please elaborate.


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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:46 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:34 pm wrote:Minime, how about you setting forth your political worldview? You know, I'll show you mine first if you'll show me yours.

Personally, you've jumped into the middle of a long-standing feud between a few posters and AD.


This is not the time or place to talk about me. Later and somewhere else. Short version: Things change.

I've been lurking for some time, and have read many a tale of woe, and I thought "Whoa!"
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:56 pm

minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:40 pm wrote:
brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:23 pm wrote:
minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:57 pm wrote:I'm sorry, are you implying I'm indulging in hyperbole here?


Yes. This:
So, a few words by Malcolm X, a vague attempt at aphorism, is sufficient to sum up what you think, but you suggest that I read 100,000 words in a forum thread.

is uncharitable at best, a hyperbolic strawman at worst. But to be fair it's not unusual around here, so you shouldn't feel singled out.

AD stated that his sig was sufficient to understand his beliefs. To wit...

"I can understand how Sounder et al have misunderstood the evolution of your personal and political philosophy. In my opinion, you have not presented it in a way that makes for understanding without an excess of effort.

As for that philosophy, you might put in your sig, in 1000 words or less, as space allows, so everyone reading can not possibly fail to understand."

His reply: "As, to my signature line- it does speak volumes about my philosophy, and here it is: "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."

I maintain that the quote from Malcolm X was a vague attempt at aphorism, and could in no way sum up, indicate or even hint at AD's personal and political philosophy. And that is being charitable. And enough of that. If I have anything further to discuss with AD I will do so by pm.

To return to the OP: I see an helpful analog of Illuminati lore in the riddle of the Sphinx.


Do please elaborate.


An Illuminatus walks on four legs in the morning, two in the afternoon, and three in the evening.


OK!

Not just red-baiting but also Illuminatus-baiting!

If you think Illuminati Theory, as expressed by the people I have posted on- Springmeier, Icke, Phillips etc., is so blemish-free, why not explain something about that, rather than stooping so low?
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby minime » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:02 pm

"Not just red-baiting but also Illuminatus-baiting!

If you think Illuminati Theory, as expressed by the people I have posted on- Springmeier, Icke, Phillips etc., is so blemish-free, why not explain something about that, rather than stooping so low?"

No idea what you're talking about. Are you extending the metaphor? Stooping so low would be late evening, before bedtime?

The day is a metaphor for a life, then the history of the Illuminati, then Mankind itself. Or something like that.
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