How to Overthrow the Illuminati

[Iamwhomiam]

Frankly, minime, that's a poor response. You've asked AD to define their worldview and you're unwilling to share yours?

He directed you to a thread to review, to scan, to pick-up from its many pages AD's philosophy, when you asked and yet you're unwilling to review it, stating flatly you would not. So what's your point? To meritoriously argue any point one needs to be well informed. Do you just want to argue pointlessly? So, please Oblio, show us your point!

Everything that we write is about "us." So it is about you and your views. So let's have your opinion of Icke, especially after your criticizing another for having shared theirs. I've shared my opinion of the man for all to read. Have you ever for a moment considered Icke is exactly what he claims others to be, a lizard man deflecting attention away from himself and onto his targets?

Hey, anything's possible in an RI world, right?

I mean, before one applies their intuitions rigorously, of course.

[brainpanhandler]

I'm sorry, are you implying I'm indulging in hyperbole here?

Yes. This:

So, a few words by Malcolm X, a vague attempt at aphorism, is sufficient to sum up what you think, but you suggest that I read 100,000 words in a forum thread.

is uncharitable at best, a hyperbolic strawman at worst. But to be fair it's not unusual around here, so you shouldn't feel singled out.

AD stated that his sig was sufficient to understand his beliefs.

But that isn't what he said, as evidenced by the quoted answer of his that you helpfully supply yourself . Putting words in someone's mouth is annoying. Please stop it. You have his actual words available to you.

I maintain that the quote from Malcolm X was a vague attempt at aphorism, and could in no way sum up, indicate or even hint at AD's personal and political philosophy. And that is being charitable.

Someone quotes MALCOLM X and you think it says nothing about their personal or political philosophy?

[American Dream]

"Not just red-baiting but also Illuminatus-baiting!

If you think Illuminati Theory, as expressed by the people I have posted on- Springmeier, Icke, Phillips etc., is so blemish-free, why not explain something about that, rather than stooping so low?"

No idea what you're talking about. Are you extending the metaphor? Stooping so low would be late evening, before bedtime?

The day is a metaphor for a life, then the history of the Illuminati, then Mankind itself. Or something like that.

It sounded like you were making a cryptic reference to the sort of argument that I reject Illuminati Theory so strongly, therefore I must be one of Them...

I don't even know if you have a literal belief in the Illuminati. Do you? And if so, are folks like Springmeier, Phillips and/or Icke inspirations to you?

[coffin_dodger]

I feel Icke is worthless and unworthy of discussion here. Obviously, slad, sounder, slim, perhaps coffin_dodger and maybe our new addition, minime feel otherwise and find some comfort in his words and character. Icke is a classic huckster of time immemorial.

And no, I'll not argue or defend my point of view.

Well... actually... now you've branded, obviously, slad, sounder, slim and 'perhaps' myself as anti-semitic, nazi, lizard-fearing Holocaust deniers, I feels it's not unreasonable to ask you to justify how you arrived at that conclusion, if that's ok with you.

[Searcher08]

This whole denial of an illuminati or illuminati-like structure (or whatever they are called) is so fervent amongst the deniers (and the lengths they go to to mock and quash discussion of) that it reminds me of the many dominoes to have toppled recently - wikileaks, manning, snowden, the activities of the nsa to name but a few - it feels like we're all edging closer to some seriously liberating yet disturbing stuff. I still maintain wikileaks and greenwald have stuff that the public just isn't ready for yet. Here's hoping.

Have you made an honest assessment of how Illuminati Theory is such a refuge for scoundrels and flimflam artists, conveyers of disinformation, right wing wackos and racists, etc. etc.?

Because it should be clear that there's something rotten going on...

Ah, the sounds of gloves coming off - underneath that 'let's discuss and debate the OP' - this is what you have - a pile of vague valued cloud words. 'Flimflam artists' - Jesus what a term - Straight Outta JREF.

Meanwhile, at the same times as you are flame-throwering the Evil Strawman Army of 'Six Degrees Of David Icke', over on Capitol Hill, 250 AIPAC operatives are working over Congress that does not merit a single word. Sauce for Goose and all that...

[American Dream]

This whole denial of an illuminati or illuminati-like structure (or whatever they are called) is so fervent amongst the deniers (and the lengths they go to to mock and quash discussion of) that it reminds me of the many dominoes to have toppled recently - wikileaks, manning, snowden, the activities of the nsa to name but a few - it feels like we're all edging closer to some seriously liberating yet disturbing stuff. I still maintain wikileaks and greenwald have stuff that the public just isn't ready for yet. Here's hoping.

Have you made an honest assessment of how Illuminati Theory is such a refuge for scoundrels and flimflam artists, conveyers of disinformation, right wing wackos and racists, etc. etc.?

Because it should be clear that there's something rotten going on...

Ah, the sounds of gloves coming off - underneath that 'let's discuss and debate the OP' - this is what you have - a pile of vague valued cloud words. 'Flimflam artists' - Jesus what a term - Straight Outta JREF.

Meanwhile, at the same times as you are flame-throwering the Evil Strawman Army of 'Six Degrees Of David Icke', over on Capitol Hill, 250 AIPAC operatives are working over Congress that does not merit a single word. Sauce for Goose and all that...

I feel that conspiracy investigators have a (potentially) powerful role to play in helping us make it through this difficult epoch and that we should be very, very careful to make sure we are not (inadvertently) spreading disinfo.

Do you?

[Searcher08]

This was the *seventh* time you have reposted that whole article on Vampire Annunaki in it's entirety, complete with footnotes.

I dont know whether to find that statistic painful, funny ha-ha, depressing, funny peculiar, cringe-inducing, puzzling, baffling, annoying or a selection of some or all of those.

[minime]

"Not just red-baiting but also Illuminatus-baiting!

If you think Illuminati Theory, as expressed by the people I have posted on- Springmeier, Icke, Phillips etc., is so blemish-free, why not explain something about that, rather than stooping so low?"

No idea what you're talking about. Are you extending the metaphor? Stooping so low would be late evening, before bedtime?

The day is a metaphor for a life, then the history of the Illuminati, then Mankind itself. Or something like that.

It sounded like you were making a cryptic reference to the sort of argument that I reject Illuminati Theory so strongly, therefore I must be one of Them...

I don't even know if you have a literal belief in the Illuminati. Do you? And if so, are folks like Springmeier, Phillips and/or Icke inspirations to you?

I have no idea what your take is on any particular Illuminati Theory, whether you accept or reject it. I'm not interested in learning what it is. I don't connect words to faces. I don't make friends or foes. I don't think it's important to me or to anyone. Share it, don't share it. My posts are no cryptic reference to you or anyone. It's not about you.

Having said that, I immediately amend it... I very much appreciate the posts of Sounder and Wombaticus Rex, Allegro, some others I'll think of later, but I honestly couldn't tell you what their opinions on most topics are, maybe because they don't advance their opinions freely, maybe they don't have any (just kidding). But what they have to say is interesting to me, as it is clearly interesting to them. Just the fact of it is interesting.

Furthermore, anything which might possibly be construed as personal by me will be addressed by pm even if it might be of general interest, which may be shared subsequently by the addressee at his or her discretion.

Thank you in advance.

My friendly advice remains the same...

[seemslikeadream]

I feel Icke is worthless and unworthy of discussion here. Obviously, slad, sounder, slim, perhaps coffin_dodger and maybe our new addition, minime feel otherwise and find some comfort in his words and character. Icke is a classic huckster of time immemorial.

And no, I'll not argue or defend my point of view.

Well... actually... now you've branded, obviously, slad, sounder, slim and 'perhaps' myself as anti-semitic, nazi, lizard-fearing Holocaust deniers, I feels it's not unreasonable to ask you to justify how you arrived at that conclusion, if that's ok with you.

yep

[seemslikeadream]

This was the *seventh* time you have reposted that whole article on Vampire Annunaki in it's entirety, complete with footnotes.

I dont know whether to find that statistic painful, funny ha-ha, depressing, funny peculiar, cringe-inducing, puzzling, baffling, annoying or a selection of some or all of those.

oops...there it is....again and again and again and again and again and again and again

[Iamwhomiam]

I feel Icke is worthless and unworthy of discussion here. Obviously, slad, sounder, slim, perhaps coffin_dodger and maybe our new addition, minime feel otherwise and find some comfort in his words and character. Icke is a classic huckster of time immemorial.

And no, I'll not argue or defend my point of view.

Well... actually... now you've branded, obviously, slad, sounder, slim and 'perhaps' myself as anti-semitic, nazi, lizard-fearing Holocaust deniers, I feels it's not unreasonable to ask you to justify how you arrived at that conclusion, if that's ok with you.

coffin_dodger, please do not claim I've said something I haven't said or written anywhere.

I brand no one. Icke has branded himself, imo. Once again for the reading challenged is what I wrote,: "I feel Icke is worthless and unworthy of discussion here. Obviously, slad, sounder, slim, perhaps coffin_dodger and maybe our new addition, minime feel otherwise and find some comfort in his words and character. Icke is a classic huckster of time immemorial."

How about you telling us what it is that you admire so about Icke, to defend his reputation as you are and to condemn as you have those who do not share your viewpoint? I'd really like to know.

Do you believe a worldwide cabal of shape-shifting alien lizard people are in control of our world commerce as well as our governments? Or is it rather domestic shape-shifting lizard people that are in control?

Hey, It's ok with me if you do believe this, alien or domestic, just don't condemn me for not being of the same mind.

And you should be used to the laughter by now, if you do believe Icke's shape-shifting lizard leaders are running the world.

After all, this thing we call climate change I said years ago was the earth was being terraformed to make it more hospitable to the lizards. And that still makes me chuckle a bit whenever I think about it. But I still can't stand Icke.

[Iamwhomiam]

I feel Icke is worthless and unworthy of discussion here. Obviously, slad, sounder, slim, perhaps coffin_dodger and maybe our new addition, minime feel otherwise and find some comfort in his words and character. Icke is a classic huckster of time immemorial.

And no, I'll not argue or defend my point of view.

Well... actually... now you've branded, obviously, slad, sounder, slim and 'perhaps' myself as anti-semitic, nazi, lizard-fearing Holocaust deniers, I feels it's not unreasonable to ask you to justify how you arrived at that conclusion, if that's ok with you.

yep

Had I done such a thing the mods would be all over me with warnings of a pending suspension for violating our rules.
"Yep", my ass, slad,

[coffin_dodger]

Iam said:

How about you telling us what it is that you admire so about Icke, to defend his reputation as you are and to condemn as you have those who do not share your viewpoint? I'd really like to know.

OK, seeing as I'm 'reading challenged', perhaps we should start at the very beginning - please bear in mind that I am less intelligent than yourself.

Please refer me to anywhere on this site that I have endorsed, praised or passed any kind of positive comment with regard to David Icke.

Thanks.

[Searcher08]

“On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”
“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?”
“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”
“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard might get in.”

From "So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!" by Douglas Adams

[seemslikeadream]

Iam said:

How about you telling us what it is that you admire so about Icke, to defend his reputation as you are and to condemn as you have those who do not share your viewpoint? I'd really like to know.

OK, seeing as I'm 'reading challenged', perhaps we should start at the very beginning - please bear in mind that I am less intelligent than yourself.

Please refer me to anywhere on this site that I have endorsed, praised or passed any kind of positive comment with regard to David Icke.

Thanks.

That goes for me too

"Yep", my ass Iam

TIA