How to Overthrow the Illuminati

[seemslikeadream]

thanks to AD we are now a shock and awe web site
these are pics posted by AD I am just reposting them just in case anyone has forgotten


Do we really need this crap posted here?

[Iamwhomiam]

Iam said:

How about you telling us what it is that you admire so about Icke, to defend his reputation as you are and to condemn as you have those who do not share your viewpoint? I'd really like to know.

OK, seeing as I'm 'reading challenged', perhaps we should start at the very beginning - please bear in mind that I am less intelligent than yourself.

Please refer me to anywhere on this site that I have endorsed, praised or passed any kind of positive comment with regard to David Icke.

Thanks.

I stated that you misconstrued my words to mean something I had not said or written.

Once more for posterity, "I brand no one. Icke has branded himself, imo. Once again for the reading challenged is what I wrote,: "I feel Icke is worthless and unworthy of discussion here. Obviously, slad, sounder, slim, perhaps coffin_dodger and maybe our new addition, minime feel otherwise and find some comfort in his words and character. Icke is a classic huckster of time immemorial."

From that you got, "Well... actually... now you've branded, obviously, slad, sounder, slim and 'perhaps' myself as anti-semitic, nazi, lizard-fearing Holocaust deniers, I feels it's not unreasonable to ask you to justify how you arrived at that conclusion, if that's ok with you."

Now if that's not a profound example of your failure to comprehend my words, to so poorly misinterpret them, I don't know what could be a better example. To so sorely and intentionally misrepresent what I actually wrote would be considered by me to be a much greater offense then a mere misunderstanding of my written words. I feel it's not unreasonable to ask you to justify how you arrived at that conclusion, so how did you get that from what I wrote?

Seems to me you had joined in on the AD pile-on. Perhaps I was mistaken. I did ask you to clarify for us your feelings about Icke, which would be helpful to all to know. You want to send me away to search for something that I now suppose does not exist. This is how you help others to come to understand your viewpoint?

slad, I have no idea what TIA is supposed to represent. Do you really feel I've labeled you as c_d claims? If you do, that's your problem, you're fantasizing.

Now if your finished bickering like children, it would be helpful if coffin_dodger shares with us their view on Icke. I've shared mine.

[seemslikeadream]

Thanks In Advance = TIA

now come down off your high horse

and I hope you are including AD in that description

[Iamwhomiam]

Thanks, slad. Anytime.

Thank you too, coffin_dodger for sharing your view that Icke is a madman. He may be mad, but that doesn't nullify the harm his philosophy causes. I do not believe he's mad, but do believe he's nothing more than a common huckster who's found an quasi-original scheme to make himself rich from the contributions of his gullible followers by playing up their fears.

[vanlose kid]

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Just out of curiosity: What do people here think of Orwell's Illuminati Theory? Is it of any use? Does it explain anything?

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While I don't agree with Orwell's choice to snitch for the Government...

With his experience in Catalonia in mind I can understand why he would do that. He was also dying. Anyway, he who has no sin...

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... a quick read makes me think it's a fairly devastating critique of the Soviet Union:

That was Animal Farm, this is 1984. But that's how far quick reading gets you. Or is that the US school system?

Chapter III is especially intersting -- I had never noticed how damn strong the similarities are to Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars.

The historical review describes how, in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, mechanised industrial production raised "the living standards of the average human being very greatly", and that it became "clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared . . . hunger, overwork, dirt, illiteracy and disease could be eliminated within a few generations" — a threat to the Party’s perpetuity, because, ". . . if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would learn to think for themselves", become politically conscious and so depose the ruling oligarchy; therefore, ". . . in the long run, a hierarchical society was only possible on a basis of poverty and ignorance". Given that large-scale, mechanised production could not be eliminated once invented, the Party arranges the destruction of surplus goods – before that makes "the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent". Hence the perpetual war

"...is always so planned as to eat up any surplus that might exist after meeting the bare needs of the population . . . It is a deliberate policy to keep even the favoured groups somewhere near the brink of hardship, because a general state of scarcity increases the importance of small privileges and thus magnifies the distinction between one group and another."

How's your iPhone?

Brilliant isn't it? As an Illuminati Theory I find it to be of a bit more use than the OP. All that seems to say is that the Illuminati are the good guys. Funny.

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[Sounder]

AD wrote...

I feel that conspiracy investigators have a (potentially) powerful role to play in helping us make it through this difficult epoch and that we should be very, very careful to make sure we are not (inadvertently) spreading disinfo.

Do you?

Yes and I’m trying to show how it is not at all ‘very, very careful’ to push the polarity and pump the dichotomy, and then call it fighting the power even though this is the very basis for accumulating serious power. That is dis-info, to mix a whole lot of truth in with the well placed lie.

The dis-info of the individual is minor, by large orders of magnitude compared to the 'dis-info' produced by our wannabe feudal masters.

Less intelligent people talk about people, middle intelligence folk talk about events and high intelligence people talk about ideas.

Ah, never mind, that's probably bullshit anyway

People people, please don’t be so hard on Iamwhomiam.

He did not defame anyone, he used conflation.
A tried and true manner for creating bad blood but none the less a convention that seems to retain full acceptance here at RI.

Just kidding, not full acceptance, but. Oh well.

[Searcher08]

I actually *really* object to that first pic.

It is taken without permission from the work of Danish man Jacob Holdt, who has taught anti-racism for the last 25 years at many American universities.


Not so surprisingly, it is from an approach that suggests that the best way to deal with racism exactly NOT what AD expounds, which is 101 variations on a theme of shunning, distancing and loathing.
From the site:

I have found love and hospitality in all social groups, so I was not surprised to find it in the Ku Klux Klan. What did surprise me was to find far less hate in their hearts and minds than I find in so many other people - especially in the feelings toward Muslims in my own country, Denmark. What disturbs me when staying with the Klan is rather seeing society's hatred of them - experiencing their constant fear of getting fire bombs and gunshots through their windows. Not to speak of seeing millions of people end up on my website through "ku klux klan"-searches in Google. Apparently people all over the world "worship the devil."
So this is a good place to test YOUR own racism. For when you look at these pictures of my Klan friends I wonder if you are really capable of seeing them with profound love without prejudging them! Ask yourself if they are dressing up like this for their own sake....or in order to actually satisfy YOUR need to hate others?

http://www.american-pictures.com/video/annie/annie-holdt-us.htm
http://www.american-pictures.com/english/show/index.html
http://www.kukluxklan.info/#Ku_Klux_Klan
http://www.kukluxklan.info/KKK.romeo.julie.klanhoods.htm

[American Dream]

AD wrote...

I feel that conspiracy investigators have a (potentially) powerful role to play in helping us make it through this difficult epoch and that we should be very, very careful to make sure we are not (inadvertently) spreading disinfo.

Do you?

Yes and I’m trying to show how it is not at all ‘very, very careful’ to push the polarity and pump the dichotomy, and then call it fighting the power even though this is the very basis for accumulating serious power. That is dis-info, to mix a whole lot of truth in with the well placed lie.

The dis-info of the individual is minor, by large orders of magnitude compared to the 'dis-info' produced by our wannabe feudal masters.

Less intelligent people talk about people, middle intelligence folk talk about events and high intelligence people talk about ideas.

Ah, never mind, that's probably bullshit anyway

People people, please don’t be so hard on Iamwhomiam.

He did not defame anyone, he used conflation.
A tried and true manner for creating bad blood but none the less a convention that seems to retain full acceptance here at RI.

Just kidding, not full acceptance, but. Oh well.

I think I understand your perspective, Sounder, though I don't fully buy it.

I still don't understand what you propose as a better course of action for us living in a world in crisis.

Nothing? "Just watching the wheels turn 'round and 'round?"

Not trying to be snotty or put words in your mouth but you've been very unclear on this point- which seems like the central concern to me...

[Searcher08]

Thanks, slad. Anytime.

Thank you too, coffin_dodger for sharing your view that Icke is a madman. He may be mad, but that doesn't nullify the harm his philosophy causes. I do not believe he's mad, but do believe he's nothing more than a common huckster who's found an quasi-original scheme to make himself rich from the contributions of his gullible followers by playing up their fears.

You can see the turnover of his company (based on the Isle of Wight) on Duedil.com
He lives a absolutely opulent lifestyle. Watch some of this with a sick-bucket for all those poor dupes he hypnotised with mind control techniques as covered in detail by MiB ; he has the temerity to shove his lifestyle right in our faces!

[American Dream]

Thank you too, coffin_dodger for sharing your view that Icke is a madman. He may be mad, but that doesn't nullify the harm his philosophy causes. I do not believe he's mad, but do believe he's nothing more than a common huckster who's found an quasi-original scheme to make himself rich from the contributions of his gullible followers by playing up their fears.

Agreed- he may or may not be nutty but he sure is a successful "guru".

It's kinda scary actually the hold he has on people- but a lot of that has to do with them, too. David Icke is just one brand of cult leader to me- the real badness is what he does to the potential of the conspiracy movement(s)...

[Iamwhomiam]

Less intelligent people talk about people, middle intelligence folk talk about events and high intelligence people talk about ideas.

Ah, never mind, that's probably bullshit anyway

People people, please don’t be so hard on Iamwhomiam.

He did not defame anyone, he used conflation.
A tried and true manner for creating bad blood but none the less a convention that seems to retain full acceptance here at RI.

Just kidding, not full acceptance, but. Oh well.

How unnecessarily cruel you can be, Sounder.

It was conflation by others to pervert my words into something vile I had not written nor intended. I conflated nothing and stated quite clearly my intent.

You would like us to believe, of course, that your hurtful barb was meant to bring us together in harmony?

Or was it simply your intent to foster bad blood?

So, you still haven't gotten over my so long ago calling you that 't' word, have you? Perhaps you've noticed yourself drifting, discussing me, a person, rather than any idea.

[seemslikeadream]

how cruel do you think it is of AD constantly implying that there are anti-semites posting here at RI?

[Searcher08]

Thank you too, coffin_dodger for sharing your view that Icke is a madman. He may be mad, but that doesn't nullify the harm his philosophy causes. I do not believe he's mad, but do believe he's nothing more than a common huckster who's found an quasi-original scheme to make himself rich from the contributions of his gullible followers by playing up their fears.

Agreed- he may or may not be nutty but he sure is a successful "guru".

It's kinda scary actually the hold he has on people- but a lot of that has to do with them, too. David Icke is just one brand of cult leader to me- the real badness is what he does to the potential of the conspiracy movement(s)...

Who are the people Icke has a hold on?
How does he have a hold on them?
I ask this as last time I looked he was not mentioned as a cult leader by Rick Ross.

What is the 'conspiracy movement'?
What is the potential of the conspiracy movement?
I dont see anything that fits the description of a movement - coordinated group action focused on an issue.

[brainpanhandler]

Less intelligent people talk about people, middle intelligence folk talk about events and high intelligence people talk about ideas.

Ah, never mind, that's probably bullshit anyway

People people, please don’t be so hard on Iamwhomiam.

He did not defame anyone, he used conflation.
A tried and true manner for creating bad blood but none the less a convention that seems to retain full acceptance here at RI.

Just kidding, not full acceptance, but. Oh well.

Perhaps you've noticed yourself drifting, discussing me, a person, rather than any idea.

tou-fucking-ché


And I'll add that what you Sounder call conflation is actually your own projection. It's amazing how many accusations of accusations that never happened get slung around here.

[Iamwhomiam]

Searcher, what do you find so alluring about Icke?