Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

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Postby IanEye » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:44 am

you certainly seem to be a keen student on the subject of satire.
you'll find plenty of good company around here on that subject.
any number of acolytes of satire have graced these halls, both past & present.

eye don't know about you, but generally when i come to a new place for the first time, a place i have never, ever been to before, i like to give the native folk a sense of my perspective.

my turn-ons, my turn-offs, etc.

one doesn't need to flesh it out too much, the barest skeleton of an outline will do.

eye am sure 82_28 won't mind a bit.

come on, paint us a picture.

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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:45 am

:P
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby Carol Newquist » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:53 am

No, I won't do that, IanEye. That sounds more like an oath or a pledge (this I believe) you want me to give. I didn't see that in the rules. I'll end this conversation with you here and now. I believe I've been constructive and courteous up to this point. You will know me by my words, and yes, that will take time, but I'm not one for formalities. That's for civilized people, and if you've followed my words thus far, the last thing I want to do is be "civil." Think deeply about that last statement before you react to it.
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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby 82_28 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:00 am

Carol, chill.

Those who remain here are all old "friends".
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:07 am

I find pissing off people such a charming way of introducing one's self
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby NeonLX » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:23 am

Yah. Carol, if they allow me in here, they are surely a "friendly" bunch. In my case, it's kind of like they are indulging the village idiot, but still, it's one of the best places around.
America is a fucked society because there is no room for essential human dignity. Its all about what you have, not who you are.--Joe Hillshoist
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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby Carol Newquist » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:25 am

I'm as chill as chill can be. Back to the subject of the thread and staying on topic, here's another article supporting the contention that the ACA will hurt the poor, the people it was proselytized it was intended to help. Sure, these states have opted out of Medicaid expansion, but there's more to that story and it doesn't exonerate Democrats from adopting this crappy plan from the Republicans and then shoving it down our throats with a mandate. This is so blatantly unjust, but not surprising if you adjust your perspective and think critically.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/sep/15/tennessee-georgia-poor-left-behindobamacare-to/

At 62 years old, Mattie Billings says her arthritis and bronchitis prevent her from finding another job and her age makes it too expensive to buy health insurance.

The former hospital service worker, who lost her job in January and her unemployment benefits this summer, thought she would get some help from the health care reform plan known as Obamacare.

But to her surprise and frustration, Billings learned during a seminar on the Affordable Care Act that many of those living below the poverty level in Tennessee and Georgia won't get any extra help next year even though many higher-income people will.

"It just doesn't make sense and seems like a cruel joke to the poorest people," she said. "Medicaid should be expanded to help people who are really poor, who need it the most. I know the Lord always opens doors for you, but I don't know what I'm going to do at this point."

Those like Billings who don't have dependent children and make less than the poverty income level ($11,490 for a single person) won't qualify for any assistance in states that opt not to expand their Medicaid programs. The same people earning $11,491 or more a year will qualify for help through one of the new health exchanges and can get subsidies to cut his or her monthly premiums to as little as $19 a month.

"It makes steam come out of my head, but unfortunately in Tennessee and many other Southern states we're not going to help the poorest of the poor -- those folks that need this help the most," said Dr. Mary Headrick, a Crossville, Tenn., physician who has championed health care reform for three decades. "It's unfair, it hurts our state, and it just isn't right."

The incongruous scale that provides subsidies to those above the poverty level while denying such help to those in poverty stems from the way the Affordable Care Act was written and how the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June on the law's constitutionality. The high court upheld the overall health care reform law, but the court gave states the option not to participate in the expanded Medicaid program since that is a joint federal and state program.

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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:28 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby NeonLX » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:33 am

That Jimmy Kimmel video is priceless. It's also as depressing as bloody diarrhea. You'd think I'd be used to this kind of ignrnce after living in this krazy kountry for so long...I guess it's good that I still have any feelings at all, even if they are mainly of disgust.
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The ACA will hurt the poor

Postby Carol Newquist » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:43 am

The following article lets the Democrats off the hook by stating that the opt-out of Medicaid wasn't intended by the ACA legislation, but I will argue that it was foreseeable and that they could have written the legislation to avoid such a fiasco. But they didn't, and that says it all. Remember how secretive they were about this legislation....not letting anyone see it or review it until it was passed...when it was too late? Of course, I knew it was bullshit when it all started. Any person with an open mind who can think critically could see through this ruse....the information was out there...you had to search a little...but there was, and still is, politically independent criticism of this charade.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2013/August/27/missouri-insurance-coverage-gap-medicaid-obamacare.aspx

Missouri's Poorest Residents Won't Benefit From Obamacare

JEFFERSON CITY -- Cathy Hattey, 59, a former factory worker from Warsaw, Mo., isn’t pinning her hopes for affordable health insurance on the online marketplace that opens Oct. 1.

Though the insurance exchange is supposed to bring down costs for people without job-sponsored coverage, it won’t help Hattey and an estimated 226,525 other uninsured Missourians. They make too little to qualify for government subsidies.

Yes, too little.

In a twist that wasn’t intended by the authors of the federal Affordable Care Act, most of Missouri’s poorest, working-age residents — those under age 65 and below the poverty line of $11,490 for an individual and $15,510 for a couple — aren’t eligible for government help.

They can’t get free or low-cost health coverage through Medicaid. Nor can they get federal tax credits to help pay for private insurance.

They fall in a coverage gap.

The tax subsidies that will be available through the exchange are intended to make private coverage affordable for people who make between the poverty level and four times that amount.

Under the Affordable Care Act, those making less than 138 percent of poverty — or about $32,500 for a family of four — were supposed to be covered by an expansion of Medicaid, the public insurance program for the poor.

But the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Medicaid expansion was optional for states. Missouri — and 26 other states — turned it down. As a result, a big swath of the uninsured will stay that way when new coverage options kick in Jan. 1.

Health care advocates who will counsel the uninsured during online sign-ups this fall say they aren’t sure what they’ll say when no affordable option pops up on the computer screen.

“It’s going to be heartbreaking, because there’s just nothing” for people in the gap, said Ryan Barker, vice president for health policy at the Missouri Foundation for Health, a St. Louis-based nonprofit organization.

For example, people like Hattey, without children living at home, don’t qualify for Medicaid unless they are elderly or disabled.

“There isn’t anything I fall in the right slot for,” said Hattey, who struggles to buy supplies to manage her diabetes while she looks for a job. She said she and her husband, who live in Benton County in west-central Missouri, make about $1,100 a month from her housecleaning jobs and his part-time work unloading trucks at Walmart.

“I’m just unemployed and hope to find a job soon,” she said.
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Who gets the last laugh?

Postby Carol Newquist » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:48 am



The purpose of this video is a form of social coercion and a tactic to dissuade otherwise intelligent people from engaging in independent critical thought. The message is that if you oppose or criticize The Affordable Care Act you are an idiot like these folks. The substance and verity of your criticism is of no importance. If you criticize, you'll be conflated with these morons and laughed at. To that, I'd say, who do you think gets the last laugh?
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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:52 am

oh yeah Kimmel purpose in life is social coercion :jumping: :lol: :jumping:

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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:00 am

The Cult of the Selfish
When did America lose sight of the common good?
BY LEO GERARD, UNITED STEELWORKERS PRESIDENT
Denying food to the hungry, chemo to the cancer-stricken? That is not American. That is what ruthless dictators do. That is the stuff of Kim Jong-il. That is not how Americans treat each other.

Last week, in an example of what makes America beautiful, several strangers rushed to the aid of a New York City construction worker trapped in a burning fifth-floor apartment. The rescuers hoisted a ladder up a fire escape and extended it to the smoky windowsill where the victim clung.

One of the rookie rescuers risked his life clambering across the ladder-bridge four stories high and grabbing the victim as he dropped from the window.

A group of unrelated men cooperated to save the life of a fellow human. That is the best of America. That is what Americans aspire to be—participants in a human community that works together to benefit all, to advance everyone. But the American ideal of brotherhood from sea to shining sea is under attack.



A cult of the selfish relentlessly assails the value of American community. And now, the cult’s cruel campaign of civic meanness is achieving tragic victories. Just last week, for example, it succeeded in getting a bill passed in the U.S. House of Representatives that would slash funding for food stamps by $40 billion—taking milk from the mouths of millions of babes in the richest country in the world. Also, it secured passage of a bill in the House that would de-fund the Affordable Care Act, thus denying health care—and in some cases life itself—to millions of uninsured Americans.

Denying food to the hungry, chemo to the cancer-stricken? That is not American. That is what ruthless dictators do. That is the stuff of Kim Jong-il. That is not how Americans treat each other.

It is, however, exactly what the cult of the selfish is seeking. It wants an America without community, where everyone is out for himself. Alone. Self-seeking. Self-dealing. In that world, the CEO who succeeds did it all by himself—no credit should be given to dedicated workers or community tax breaks or federal copyright protections. Similarly, in that world, the worker who is laid off has no one to blame but himself, not a crash on Wall Street, not the failure of a CEO to properly market products, not a technological transformation.

Decades ago, these scam artists tried to persuade Great Depression victims that their joblessness was their own, individual faults, not a result of the 1929 Black Friday market catastrophe. They’re resurgent now, trying to blame the 2008 Wall Street debacle on individual mortgage holders. They contend those working 40 hours a week for minimum wage deserve an income too paltry to pay for food and shelter. They insist that Social Security and Medicare be slashed, and if that means workers who paid into the programs their entire lives must live on cat food in retirement, well, that’s their individual fault.

What’s frightening is how close they’re getting to what they want—a country in which the rich get richer and everyone else blames themselves for falling behind.

Between 2009 and 2012, income for the top 1 percent rose 31.4 percent, climbing nearly 20 percent last year alone. Meanwhile, the non-rich suffered. A census report released last week showed that median household income declined by more than $5,000 between 1999 and 2012. Average Americans work as hard and as long as they did a quarter century ago, but they’re poorer, their net worth about 6 percent lower.

Income inequality has returned to 1928 levels. And it’s worst for the poor. Officially, 15 percent of Americans—46.5 million citizens of the richest country in the world—live in poverty. That’s a 2.5 percentage point rise in poverty since the recession began.

Americans know it. Fewer now describe themselves as middle class. Last year, a record high 8.4 percent of Americans called themselves “lower class” in the General Social Survey, conducted annually over four decades by the independent research organization NORC at the University of Chicago.

This is happening even though America is rich. Even though American workers’ productivity continues to rise steadily. Even though American corporations are hugely profitable, with nine of the world’s 10 most valuable companies American. The middle class is getting crushed even as those at the top are getting richer.

The NORC survey showed a disquieting level of resignation to all of this—a tragic belief that it won’t change. Fewer than 55 percent of Americans, the lowest level ever, agreed that “people like me and my family have a good chance of improving our standard of living.” That is far too many Americans swallowing the argument of the cult of the selfish.

It does not have to be this way. America can afford to feed its citizens and provide them with health insurance. It can provide decent public education, good roads, Social Security and Medicare. Americans can help each other succeed. Americans want to help each other so the whole country can move forward together. That is the American way.

Americans can’t let the cult of the selfish prevail. As they did in the 1930s when Americans created Social Security, facilitated unionization and strictly regulated banks, Americans must demand that the wealthy and corporations pay their fair share and that social welfare retain primacy over self-interest.

Americans don’t turn their backs on fire victims. Americans don’t allow their neighbors’ children to go hungry. They don’t believe a fellow American should die for lack of health insurance. Americans believe the guy down the street who works 40 hours a week should be paid enough to house himself.

Americans believe in the responsibility and benefits of brotherhood. They must make true the words of their national hymn:

“America! America!

God shed his grace on thee

Till selfish gain no longer stain

The banner of the free!”
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Proud to be an American - Not

Postby Carol Newquist » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:08 am

seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:00 am wrote:
The Cult of the Selfish
Americans and America repeated too many times to count.


There is no monolithic thing called "Americans," but I'll be damned if ideologues don't tell us every day that there is and that you and me are it. And yet, their vague and ambiguous descriptions of what an "American" is are often contradictory to one another. I simply can't take someone seriously who has to permeate every other sentence with "America" and "American." That smacks too much of xenophobia.
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Re: Hell no, I ain't paying another $300 a month (ACA)

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:11 am

yes let's all be held hostage by this guy...and say thank you sir more please

like the vicious right wing of the republican party never uses the word American :roll:

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